Any /k/ posters care to share ideas about survivalist kit for when SHTF? Personally, I already have thousands of rounds of ammo of different calibers and guns to match, 6 month supply of storable food, and basic first aid supplies. What else should anons need to survive the coming apocalypse?
This happened to me when I was in college a long time ago. Still the weirdest thing to happen to me by far.
>Driving from U of Oregon in Eugene back home to Boise for fall break
>get started late, by the time I hit central Oregon it’s dark
>for those not familiar with the area, once you get east of the Cascades, it starts to get real isolated real fricking quick
>driving on 2 lane highway through the dark when I hit something in the road
>probably some shit that fell off someone’s truck
>engine starts making weird noises and check engine light comes on
>FRICK
>start looking for place to pull off and try to find a mechanic
>pull onto this farm to market road
>drive about a mile and see a farm supply store with the lights still on
>couple locals sitting outside, drinking and smoking
>I get out and try to introduce myself, but they’re acting bizarre as frick
>start losing their shit over how nice my car is and how they never see anything like it out there
>…my car is some rusted piece of shit imported from god knows where
>next they start talking about how amazing my shoes are
>my broke ass literally bought these shoes from some tweaker in downtown Portland after my old ones gave out
>creeped out by these guys, decide to go inside
>kind looking old dude at the counter
>when he sees me walk in, he starts ranting incomprehensibly about some numbers that grow in the soil (?)
>wtf is this place
>look around the shop, pretty typical looking country store
>look in one of the seed bins
>it’s filled with fricking gummy bears
>alright frick this
>rush out of there, decide to take my chances with the car
I’ve driven down that road multiple times since, but I’ve never been able to find that weird fricking gummy bear store again. I try not to think about it
Wife and I have been homesteading for several years now, honestly I think the only way you'll survive a real SHTF situation is by having your own farm decently far away from civilization, at least a half hour out and defensible
>solo rambo schizo
you're dead
this
>2 people
nope you're dead
May not die
>solo, no mention of community/people
nope you're dead
I live in a decent sized community with most property owners holding 5+ acres. I know my neighbors anon, I just wanted to get ideas for how to support myself and family when times get tight.
the annoying thing about you people is you don't research anything from people who have already done this and you're dumb, I'm dumb too but at least I know I'm dumb
>canning
jars and pickling is easier and uses less resources also cans have other uses because metal probably is going to be hard to refine and manufacture yourself
you probably should be able to produce your own powder and reload your own cases if you're going with a gun, or use a ball shooter and learn that process
>you should be able to shoot all the guns!
I would look more into trap line and how to set those up instead, learn a .22 at least but pick 1 gun since you're not going to be mixing and matching your fricking ammo if shit goes south
>first priority..
your first priority is a water source, if you don't have one or you have to share yours you are probably already dead you can build vertical planters and have a billion seeds but without water that won't last long, rain water won't cut it you need several thousand gallons At Least
look into building a wood gasifier, last time the states had a gas shortage your government taught people how to built those, can do a ton with it and you can legit just burn debris for gas
I’ve got a 1/2 acre pond on my property thats 8’ deep, manual pumps and hoses to transport/irrigate.
Hard agree on canning, too much hassle to use after materials get hard to come by. Any ideas on salt procurement other than stockpiling?
a pond is great and a good idea
also ducks will clean up your garden if you keep them but they're messy
salt is tough I've been looking into desalination for water, and you could do sea salt harvesting in a dry climate but you still need ocean access for that
Yeah, no ocean close to me. I feel like basic items such as salt, fertilizer, and cleaning chemicals like bleach would become very valuable very quickly, but without an ability to manufacture them independently the supply would also run out quickly
>sea salt harvesting
MMMMM MICROPLASTICS
>you don't research anything from people who have already done this
I grow my own food and raise my own animals, I'm probably one of the very small number of qualified people to give advice here
I mention canning because we were doing it recently, but I've grown to love freeze drying primarily. Longest shelf life, delicious when hydrated, etc, but the machine is damn expensive.
Making your own black powder is a low priority. It's much easier to stockpile shitloads of bullets, only learn black powder when you've covered every other base. I've done it with someone out in the smoky mountains, it takes a lot of time and effort. Don't get fixated on that, you can be self reliant but not when it's impractical, forget this for now.
When I recommend a large range of ammo compatibility I'm considering maximizing your capabilities and what the rest of your team might bring along. In the minimal sense, you only need a concealable handgun, a fighting rifle, and a hunting rifle.
Water goes without saying, that's why I didn't mention it. I have rainwater collection at the corners of the house and a water tower fed from the creek. We also got a 6g/h water well dug but rarely have to use it. It's all about choosing your land wisely.
Wood gasifier idea is pretty neat, I'll look into that
We’re in pretty similar situations anon. I’m from the south and grew up pretty much on a farm, but in a situation where global manufacturing capabilities cease to exist I’d rather be as prepared as possible to not only survive, but thrive.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's pretty cozy to see other people worry about the future of civilization and not have to consider it. I'll be roasting chickens on the fire with my friends and family, having milk and honey in my tea every morning.
The reality is that dead meat goes bad but living animals are often easy to take care of. Just keeping an animal alive is a decent preservation method. It's also a good way to prevent waste since many farm animals have diverse diets. We get like 60 pumpkins a year and the dozen or so that go bad are just chicken food.
Is there a good resource for offline stuff like PDFs?
Why not just buy a book or hear me out, do a web search
Also ask me anything if anyone has questions about homesteading or self sufficient living
Knowledge really is power with this stuff
What's a bare minimum stockpile for shtf?
Your first priority should be securing the seeds and equipment you need for gardening, as well as wood for heating, and the experience to make use of these things, not preserved foods and bullets. I mean, if all other resources went away, could you keep on living right now? Eating through your stockpile then panicking is not a good plan, no matter how large the pile. First and foremost, I'm stocked up on a shitload of seeds that I know grow like crazy around here. Being able to grow potatoes is especially important, given their caloric density. They keep you alive.
In a more immediate sense, I'd stockpile at least six months of food you actually eat. Then, start regularly stocking up and canning, you can never have too much and you can never learn too much. As for weapons, get the basics and at least a few hundred rounds for each of them. You should be able to shoot 5.56, 308, 9mm, 12 gauge and .22 at the very least.
In addition, don't forget your basic medical supplies. Radio equipment. Water collection (though you should be gardening with collected water anyway.) Try camping with your family, and design your bug-out bag from that experience. Of course, you're really either bugging-in or dying, but that's another topic
Already have a garden set-up with equipment to plow and row, plenty of seeds from the last crop of each year. Any ideas on water collection/purification? I’ve got plenty of rain barrels and obviously can boil it if needed. What’s the best way to store potable water so I won’t have to boil before each use?
I never understood why preppers were so obsessed with guns.
That's not a bait post, I mean once you've secured your CCW and your rifle, why the frick are you accumulating additional guns before you've finished stockpiling years of dry food, enough solar panels to run your house, a well and storage/filtration system, whatever livestock/crops you want to raise, etc.?
Or even fire/ballistic protection for your house
Agreed, but how would one come about procuring antibiotics and other necessary first aid items to survive completely off-grid?
Far fricking easier then acquiring a whole load of battle rifles, even in the most gun-permitting states.
>Any kind of big store for a large man portable first aid kit.
>Buy a full kit of medical supplies from a dedicated supplier, same as hospitals do.
>Get a bunch of medical, chemical or botanical textbooks on what plant can be made into what compound.
>Another medical textbook on basic medicine and procedure.
It's not just exciting battle royale tier stuff, but it's pretty simple.
Because I want to arm myself, my whole family, and my most trusted friends who will come bug in with us. We aren't a small group avoiding authority, we are a small army able to project authority.
I'm not planning to take warning shots at the sneaky bandits around the edge of our property and hope we avoid a gunfight until we're overwhelmed and killed. I'm planning to pepper them with explosives and storm their position with my squad. Get serious dudes, you want to be unknown, and if you're discovered you want to be feared.
The flaw in this "I want to arm others" shit has always been, why the frick don't your friends and family have their own guns
They do, I'm just extra careful, and I've been fortunate enough to grab some extra weapons. I don't think a massive arsenal is a requirement.
>Any ideas on salt procurement
This is the hard one if you don't live near salty water. If you're at the ocean, boiling for salt is surprisingly efficient, I did it with a large steel stockpot once and the salt production is surprisingly high. Other than that... Well, you can learn to make foods from animal blood, that's an old way to get salt. Blood pudding, sausage and bread are options.
Thanks for the blood idea, I’ll look into it. With the amount of salt required just to pickle herrings, I couldn’t imagine ever stockpiling enough to use as a normal means of meat storage.
>They do, I'm just extra careful, and I've been fortunate enough to grab some extra weapons. I don't think a massive arsenal is a requirement.
Different anon, but it's the same thing. You're overcompensating on the guns front, but aren't thinking about the other logistics. Food, water, energy, shelter, hygiene. You've got to cover all of that for all those people, before thinking about giving extra guns out. Yeah you can militarize people more easily, and make a case for "I'll just take it off the other dudes", but you're assuming that you can do so simply by having an extra gun or so. That doesn't mean you can successfully push them off their shit.
>You're overcompensating on the guns front, but aren't thinking about the other logistics. Food, water, energy, shelter, hygiene
No, I have those covered. I live on a farm and we've done some large gatherings. Energy was a little issue but I have the hydroelectric going although it needs to be rebuilt because I didn't really know what I was doing and the paddles are too narrow.
Antibiotics, seriously.
How to get them though? I’ve got a few bottles full of penicillin/derivatives but where’s a good place to get more from?
Get a bunch of homies together with NV and go raid the prepper tards in this thread if shit collapses, you can just walk up to their house in the middle of the night and steal all of their beans
Night vision is overrated
Explosives are underrated
what about explosion vision?
This is it
Don't wait for something to happen, be the reason everyone is running away from the area and force the city into believing "that" part of town is to be avoided at all costs
No one is going to want to be a hero anymore, stake bodies into the ground and scare the shit out of everyone with your nazbol gang of 50~ people
You don't want corpses stacked anywhere near your property, shit stinks
Some survivalist kit I think is under rated:
>saline IV bags
If the west collapses the leading cause of death will return to "shitting self to death". The best way to stop that is saline.
>cleaning supplies
The best way to protect yourself from illness is basic hygiene. Learn how to make soap from fat and ashes. A bulk supply of baking soda, vinegar, and borax. will make the soap more effective and will last a lifetime.
>USB lighter
In the long run a USB lighter will be easier to recharge than it will be to refill a butane lighter.
>super glue
The most under rated first aid item. Dirt cheap and will close wounds that would otherwise require sutures. Don't glue yourself to your patient.
It only takes one fudd hiding in the bush with a durr rifle to end your story. My advice is to subjugate normies instead.
If I see someone in nods coming for my beans I'm shooting them in the pelvis with a .45-70 just to be a dick.
A fudd hiding in a bush will never gank me, me and the boys at night will move with thermals on for our bean thieving raids
You homosexuals never learn
>CARL RIDES AGAIN
Survivalists kit should be roughly as follows.
>Water and food. Can be foraged, but need some basics, and the way to carry and consume them. Cans of meat are top tier for calories and content, and you should always carry enough bottles for three days of travel without water.
>Shelter. Sleeping bag, waterproof covers (tarp), and something to keep you off the ground like a bed roll. Some warm kit, some waterproof kit. Two sets of skin contact clothes ideally, so you have wet and dirty for walking, and dry for camping.
>First aid kit. Antibiotics are cool, but are far from a fix-all. Better to stock up on shit like suture needles, string, electrolytes, super glue, bandages, sterilizer (any form of high proof alcohol), tape, and soap. Painkillers can be derived from nature, but are also good to have. Take good care of yourself, and you won't need to risk antibiotic self treatment. Best medicine is prevention.
>Basic tools for survival. Multitool, machette, but also other things like an E-tool, tinderbox, compass, map, crank torch.
>Basic self defense tools. Knife, Shooting Gun, Self Defense Gun. Also useful for food, but not critical to it. Snares, traps, and foraging are likely to be more successful then game if you don't know the game.
>Good Boots.
>Extra assets and utilities Spare or extra shit for above stuff. Extra tools, bits of kit, first aid gear, clothes, keepsakes, phones, books, bibles. Not absolutely critical, but important for mental health over time. A chess set, if you have a buddy, is better long term then an extra gun or knife.
My total roaming kit weighs around 20kg's being generous, up to ~25kg's with a full load of everything I'd want or dream of. If you balance the weight placement on the body, that's not unworkable for a hike.
>Cans of meat are top tier for calories and content,
Cans are extremely heavy. I'd consider some alternatives for backpack travel, especially nonperishable foods in sealed plastic although generally you want to avoid plastic in life.
>tinderbox
The best way to actually start a fire many times on the go is probably several bic lighters. However, the best manual method is easily a magnesium bar fire starter. Everyone should upgrade their regular flint and steel to a magnesium bar version
Agree on the cans, dehydrated foods are the lightweight and even just bags of rice make great survival food, as long as you have a reasonably clean water source.
Magnesium bar flints are also a great idea, very compact and can last a very long time, as long as you know how the hell to use one.
>The best way to actually start a fire
You should always have multiple redundant methods of starting fires. Lighters, lifeboat matches, magnesium striker, a fresnel lens for using the sun, etc. None of those take up much space or weight. Totally agreed that the magnesium makes flint and steel moot. It's much more effective. There's zero reason to carry flint and steel unless this is some kind of primitive larp instead of real survival.
This. Also some medication can be purchased from farm stores (intended for livestock). Make sure you learn which abx work for what conditions. You don't want to be some moron just randomly throwing pills at the problem, learn what treats what.
>Cans.
>Extremely heavy.
I see your logic, but streamlining for efficiency at that stage is kinda picking at straws.
I remember for OB we deliberately got handed the same kit that was used in the 90's, and was the bulkiest, heaviest way to store shit. It still worked fine.
Yeah cans can hold weight, but they keep well, store and stack well, keeping for a long time, typically come packed with food, and aside from the material cladding being 50% heavier then plastic (which mostly any can producer tries to slim down on).
For that, canned food typically gives you very energy dense stuff. There's a reason we like meat, and it's because it's good fuel and repair stuff to put in you.
Yeah, dehydrating your food will make it lighter, but unless you're planning on only traveling nearby a stream, that's still water you've got to carry with you.
But still, why settle at silver I guess.
Best option, is Jerky, slathered in lard, in a sealed tin or jar full of honey, stuffed so full there's no air in it. If you want to be really good, mix in some crushed mineral tablets. Both Honey and Lard act as natural preservatives, though honey is better for it, so unless there's bugs in it to begin with, that shit will keep.
That's actually something else good to bring. Salt and Honey.
>Together both act as electrolytes, in effect.
>Salt can be used to preserve cuts of meat.
>Honey is a natural antibiotic and preservative. This lets you prepare and store food for long periods of time, so you can shove it in a tin for a month or so down the track.
Friends, soap.
You can get unique medicines prescribed to you by looking up travel specific teledocs and detailing a trip you are taking to *insert x shithole* in a month. If that's too much work for you, you can get fish antibiotics from the pet store and store those they have most of the major ones for treating most things.
>You can get unique medicines prescribed to you by looking up travel specific teledocs and detailing a trip you are taking to *insert x shithole* in a month.
Another option is the marine route. There are standarized lists of medical supplies that ships are supposed to have on board. Most countries coast guards will inspect for and will cite vessels which enter their waters but don't have the requisite supplies on board. That's a good source for inspiration for emergency equipment, and it's also another means of acquiring prescription medications--tell the doc you are working for a boat owner and you need to get your med supplies in order.
Search for "Ship's Medicine Chest". This will direct you to two things, first is a book of that title which is a handy medical reference to have if there is no doctor available, second is that you will find lists of supplies.
>and basic first aid supplies
I feel that people need to be more specific here. Here is my list:
BZK wipes, disposable gloves, magnifier, permanent marker, EMT shears, thermometer, mini flashlight, super glue, common OTC medications (aspirin, ibuprofen, benadryl, immodium, pepto, antacid, laxative, sudafed, claritin, cough syrup) Epi-pen, bandaids of varying sizes, triple antibiotic ointment, antifungal ointment, Tincture of benzoin, USP Strong Iodine Tincture, triangle bandage, safety pins, safety razors, sterile gauze pads and rolls, hemostatic gauze, israeli dressings, burn dressings, zinc oxide tape, plastic medical tape, control wrap, ace bandage, Nasal pharyngeal airway, chest seal, decompression needle, CAT tourniquet, bottle of eye wash, eye drops, butterfly closures, sting-eez swabs, toothache gel, moleskin, ammonia inhalant, hydrocortizone cream, cough drops, vaseline, SAM splint, instant cold packs. Sterile saline, irrigation syringe with tubing. Glucose packets. IV fluids. Sterile syringes (3cc) and needles. Eyeglasses repair kit, sterile prethreaded sutures, nail clipper.
Medical tools:
#3 scalpel handle and #11 sterile blades
Swiss No. 3 pattern Extra-fine point tweezers for splinters or ticks
1x London College tweezers
2x Mosquito forceps 5"
2x Kocher forceps 6"
1x Adson tissue forceps 5"
1x Mayo needle holder 5"
1x Iris scissors 4.5"
1x Hartmann alligator forceps 6.5"
2x Army-Navy retractor
1x Allis forceps 8"
1x Metz scissors 7"
tissue nippers 4"
I take it then that you don't plan on moving around then.
Otherwise there are several redundancies you could trim down in here if you needed to move around.
Otherwise, good job! Very informative work.
I'd also recommend a form of textbook or Codex on proper usage of these things, in particular the medications, some form of repeat use gloves because otherwise you run out, and a reusable mask and eyegoggles in case of pathogen issues.
Also an oropharyngeal airway may result in a gag reflex, but it's less likely to damage the nasal structures, which could cause complications with bleeding and clotting if a nasal pharyngeal airway is inserted poorly, or in a patient with prior complications.
>I take it then that you don't plan on moving around then.
That's a certainly too big a of a kit to carry around on one's person. But given that the thread seemed to focus on prepping and bulk I figured that would be more for equipping a homestead.
>I'd also recommend a form of textbook or Codex on proper usage of these things, in particular the medications
Completely agreed. And people should feel free to remove things from the list (or add things) based on the skills of the persons involved. There's no point in having sutures if you don't know how to suture. A decomp needle can be downright dangerous if you don't know how to use it correctly. If you happen to have medical training then you may well want many things I didn't include in that list.
there's tons of variants. I've also seen people do it with empty tuna fish or cat food cans. those make handy little burners you can cook on top of.
Candles are underrated. You can get the religious ones without the stickers and they'll burn for days.
Years ago when I was in scouts we used to make things we called "trench candles" for camping. We'd roll up some old newspaper really tight, tie it with string, then soak that in a pot of molten candle wax. The paper absorbs the wax and then you light it and it burns for a very long time. Great for starting fires with damp wood too, and they're waterproof. You can make them in different sizes as needed. I liked small ones about the size of a finger for most fire starting. You can also make larger ones, we would use an old muffin tray as a mold and make a dozen larger ones at once. Sawdust or wood chips is another good material to add.
When I was in boy scouts my scout master put his finger up my butt on a fishing trip.
That sucks for you. Fortunately, all the leaders in my troop were more interested in each others' wives than the scouts. There was a whole lot of cheating going on but that was pretty much it.
>get cupcake pan
>put paper cupcake thingies in each hole
>fill them up with wood chips, wood stove pellets, sawdust, etc.
>pour molten wax into each one
>keep the whole thing hot in a low oven so the wax really soaks into the wood chips
>top up with more wax as needed
>let cool
super easy and cheap to make
I've seen something similar done with cardboard in flip top tins.