Nope. The idea is quite sound and empirical.
A strong solar flare hitting earth would induce catastrophic voltages on every unprotected electrical system
Sure it would. Just more speculative horseshit like Y2K was.
>Y2K
It saddens me how people identified a really big fuck up, planned a global contingency and managed to execute it properly only for people to dismiss the problem because people successfully managed to avoided it.
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This, the techies worked their asses off for years and fixed the problem, and then when things didn't go boom, the clueless media declared it was never a problem after all.
The following conversation occurred between two operators of the American telegraph line between Boston, Massachusetts, and Portland, Maine, on the night of 2 September 1859 and reported in the Boston Evening Traveler:
Boston operator (to Portland operator): "Please cut off your battery [power source] entirely for fifteen minutes."
Portland operator: "Will do so. It is now disconnected."
Boston: "Mine is disconnected, and we are working with the auroral current. How do you receive my writing?"
Portland: "Better than with our batteries on. – Current comes and goes gradually."
Boston: "My current is very strong at times, and we can work better without the batteries, as the aurora seems to neutralize and augment our batteries alternately, making current too strong at times for our relay magnets. Suppose we work without batteries while we are affected by this trouble."
Portland: "Very well. Shall I go ahead with business?"
Boston: "Yes. Go ahead."
The conversation was carried on for around two hours using no battery power at all and working solely with the current induced by the aurora, the first time on record that more than a word or two was transmitted in such manner.[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
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>1859
Don't care
>Y2K
It saddens me how people identified a really big fuck up, planned a global contingency and managed to execute it properly only for people to dismiss the problem because people successfully managed to avoided it.
No, it was totally a real thing and not made up media bullshit. Sure thing anon.
No power.
No modern communications (radio's dead, base stations are dead. Basic to simple transistor radios)
No satellites.
No GPS.
Most modern cars are unusable.
Potentially meltdown scenarios depending on how unhardened monitoring/cooling systems are in nuclear plants.
Solar systems are dead, because your MPPTs and inverters got fried. So no power there either.
Pumps and generators using circuits of any kind for regulation? Dead.
What I'm trying to say is: The amish would holocaust your ass, attach your skull to the front of their Lamborghini Buggy and make your children slaves.
>we would go back to the heckin stone age
Just reddit fantasy shit
The September 1859 Carrington event was the largest Coronal Mass Ejection in recorded history, which caused catastrophic, global damage of electrical lines and telegraph infrastructure. Equipment threw sparks, outright exploded, and zapped operators with electric shocks. This sounds pretty bad until you look into it and find out that they repaired a lot of this damage in just over a week.
The Carrington Event was a rare, once-in-a-millennia storm, and less powerful geomagnetic storms are more common. Most CME's never even hit Earth to begin with, let alone with as much power as 1859.
Projections have been run to determine how long it would take to repair damage in the US from a CME that was half the power of the Carrington Event; depending on your region, it could take one week for services to be restored, or one year. Either way, it's not really enough to destroy civilization. If you've ever lived through a rough hurricane you know that making it a few weeks or months without power isn't really all that bad, it's just hilariously inconvenient and sucks ass.
People would assuredly die in such a situation, but it would be less because armageddon has finally come and more because the oxygen machine they were dependent on electrocuted them and then shut off.
Hurricane zones receive relief from zones that weren't hit by the hurricane.
Global incidents of this kind are therefore much more dangerous than any local mishap
Hurricanes were only used as an example for power loss. Despite being less widespread, a hurricane is more severe a threat. They receive the relief they do because of the complete obliteration and flooding of neighborhoods, not because Tiktok is down.
As I said, electricity shutting down for an extended period would not be particularly dangerous. You'd have a spike of deaths in the beginning from medical equipment failing, transformers popping near workers, streetlights shutting off and causing crashes, but that would be about the end of it. The hardest part of dealing with a CME would be rebuilding infrastructure, maybe dealing with some opportunistic looting. It really wouldn't be as bad as people think.
I wish it would, I would love nothing more than to spend the rest of my days popping looted painkillers and shooting at black people, but it's not going to happen. At least, not from a CME.
It's also worth mentioning that along with these events comes an aurora so powerful that it generates wireless electricity capable of powering electronics.
During the 1859 event telegraph operators were able to send messages using no power source, as the aurora would carry the signal. Reading the actual telegraphs is pretty funny too since it's basically two working stiffs talking about how much better the equipment runs off the aurora as opposed to actual batteries.
>I used a bad example only to illustrate why it would not be a problem
Yes, you are a complete moron. A global scale destruction of the grid would destroy the civilization. It wouldn't be an exinction event but it would put us decades or centuries back and most of humanity would starve to death.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It wouldn't be an exinction event but it would put us decades or centuries back and most of humanity would starve to death.
It wouldn't be either you hyperbolic gay. That was the point from the beginning.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no communication to efficiently manage distribution >no cars to distribute goods >no gnomish global system to save transfer of goods in efficient manner
You would starve to death you fucking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Retard I live surrounded by Amish people that I know and work with I will not starve under any circumstances. And neither will anyone else. The problem with people like you is that you have this idea in your head that if electronics and the grid get wiped out, that's it. That there is no way to repair or replicate these things. That all production grinds to a permanent halt, nothing can be made without being printed in mass in chink factories, it's outright impossible to repair things or find parts that work. Can't communicate information or instructions without a phone call, writing it on paper and having one guy take it to another guy is preposterous.
I think in your fantasy scenario where The Long Dark becomes reality you personally would never come close to starving because you'd give up and have a nice day immediately.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>writing it on paper and having one guy take it to another guy is preposterous
yeah dude i just sent a bicycle courier from DC to LA, not an issue
3 months ago
Anonymous
A bunch of alcoholics were able to ride horses and walk about the same fucking distance given enough time and that was before we paved over most of it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>given enough time
just a couple months for orders and instructions to be sent nationwide during an emergency, no biggie
3 months ago
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Of course you can do all that, but it will be slow as hell. The modern world is built upon high speed and hight throughput. In the time it will take to get things back to normal, gigantic losses will have happened.
3 months ago
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>nothing can be made without being printed in mass in chink factories
What factories? They would be destroyed too. You can repair things sure, but not before the majority of population would starve to death.
3 months ago
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>Can't communicate information or instructions without a phone call, writing it on paper and having one guy take it to another guy is preposterous.
You are the blackest gorilla moron. You have no sense of scope of modern infrastructure and the needs to operate it. Sending someone with a paper works when you have 30M people, not 300M people.
3 months ago
Anonymous
large parts of india still work this way and they dont collapse
3 months ago
Anonymous
Counterpoint: normal life for a rural Indian is basically mad max for a first worlder
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not anymore. Almost every village in India has electricity now.
Even Africans have smartphones now. Things have changed very drastically in the third world over the last 15 years and Westerners haven't really noticed yet.
3 months ago
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Why would we? Shitholes with smartphones are still shitholes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not really, they have electricity everywhere now but lets just assume you are correct for the sake of argument. Say the entire India lives without electricity, just the good old ox plowing the fields. It has nothing to do with you in your beautiful first world country. Electricity is gone. You are not getting imports from India. If you don't know how to survive in the wild and hunt, you are fucked. Soldiers would seize the goods, the society would collapse into small military-authoritarian cities. The good old ox in India is still plowing the field like nothing happened while your face is stomped by a boot of whoever has the best military equipment.
In 1859 people were still using petrol lamps to light themselves, its the figurative stone age of electronics, there’s more computing power in whatever device you are using to post this than there was in the entire world at the time
Back then fields were still plotted via oxen, food harvested manually and then transported in carriages pulled by horses or on steam powered, mechanically operated trains
Comparing it to a local power outage after a storm is so incredibly narrow minded I’m surprised it even crossed your mind
What part of this discounts the projections I mentioned? We've already predicted the level of damage from something similar occurring and it still doesn't take a decade to fix like some people were suggesting - a year at most is what it would take. My point is not that a local and global power outage is the same, my point is that it's not a big fucking deal. You're not going to get Mad Max off the back of a geostorm. You just won't.
You said they took into account a half power, which is not even close to comparable, imagine a magnitude 4 earthquake vs a magnitude 8
But if those projections are accurate then alright, what I’m getting at is the rest of your post is complete nonsense >1859 tier electronics or lack of reliance on them >comparing a localised storm to a global event
3 months ago
Anonymous
That’s not how earthquake magnitudes work dummy, it’s a logarithmic scale.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And how do solar flares magnitudes work?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You take the length of your penis and multiply by your iq. If your result is a one digit number you know you’re correct.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is so utterly retarded that I'm simply going to ignore it. You are really hung up on the hurricane thing, it was a throwaway example for me but it seems to be the lynchpin of your entire argument for some reason that I'm not nearly stupid enough to understand.
3 months ago
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>magnitude 4 earthquake vs a magnitude 8
Richter scale is logarithmic, smoothbrain
3 months ago
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nobody knows or cares what that means
3 months ago
Anonymous
Let me simplify it for you: when you play Pokemon, if you use magnitude and get a 10 it deals a lot more damage than if you get a 5
moron, 2% of the pop are farmers now, which means in a needs-must scenario we can 50x our farmer-corp overnight. Get your head out of your ass and start thinking 5th dimensionally
Sure, but they also hadn't really invented proper shielding either. We haven't built our infrastructure in ignorance, it would damage and destroy probably most stuff but not all.
>one week with no outside communications, lighting, entertainment, or fast food
I’d say your survival depends entirely on the demographics in your area
You fell for the meme.
We have warning systems for solar flares now, and responsible power companies would disconnect transformers from the grid ahead of time.
Besides there are also emergency disconnects (fuses 100000$ each) that could protect against an unanticipated event. While shitty third world penny pinchers would suck it, your capitalist overlords won't so you have nothing to worry about. But you're a dumb fuck and nothing will change your mind. Whatever.
No power.
No modern communications (radio's dead, base stations are dead. Basic to simple transistor radios)
No satellites.
No GPS.
Most modern cars are unusable.
Potentially meltdown scenarios depending on how unhardened monitoring/cooling systems are in nuclear plants.
Solar systems are dead, because your MPPTs and inverters got fried. So no power there either.
Pumps and generators using circuits of any kind for regulation? Dead.
What I'm trying to say is: The amish would holocaust your ass, attach your skull to the front of their Lamborghini Buggy and make your children slaves.
It's cheap and easy to protect electronics and make your own faraday cage
Stick a thinkpad and a baofeng in a lidded metal wastebin and seal it up with electrical tape
I for one will still be funposting if le solar flare happens in real life
Stick a solar generator or something in too. Stock up on batteries
There will be plenty of ham boomers still transmitting if the grid goes down, it's something they think about all the time
People in Asia constantly transmit pictures of anime girls over the lines, so the memes will be safe
The real issue is the just-in-time supply chain
Most of the possible deaths will be people starving to death or fighting one another. I'd say it's a hard event to put in cinematic format because you wouldn't have a clear issue or enemy to fight against and most of the conflict would be drawn out and not attention-grabbing enough for audiences
Yeah that's true. I'd be able to siphon from cars for a while before it becomes a permanently parked structure. It's got a fiberglass high top so it would do as a makeshift shelter for a while.
How much salt do you personally own right now?
How much salt would be available to you once everyone realizes they need it?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You’re talking to someone that has never killed something to eat it. What will he cure? Tree bark?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'll cure ur mum's vagina with my dik
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lol, she said you tried but Asian dicks are too small to bother with.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's true. For someone whose vagina got stretched by the entire neighborhood any dick would be small I suppose
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hey man, don’t hate the player hate the game. Everyone knows yellow dicks might as well be vaginas.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Everyone knows ur mum is the town mattress
3 months ago
Anonymous
That’s true for everyone expect brown people. Yucky.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>changed his strawman from a yellow to a brown because he can't argue without bringing race into it
Sad!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hey were talking about my moms pussy here! I’m pretty picky about it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How much salt do you personally own right now?
Wouldn't you like to know
Shalln't be having my salt
Only bigbrains like me appreciate how important it is to amass salt
3 months ago
Anonymous
Right now? Not much.
But I could mine a ton from your comments ITT
3 months ago
Anonymous
500lbs of rock salt, ocean half a days bike ride away if I run out. Sucks to suck, cityfag
3 months ago
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>ocean half a days bike ride
So you live in an extremely populated area (all coastlines are). You would be among the first to die when people started dying of first thrust and then hunger. You aren’t curing or storing shit Black. You’ll end up some Mexicans dinner.
3 months ago
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>cityfag >fat >dumb
Follows. Pop density of my county is 40/sqmi, most of that in a 'city' of 30k, my nearest neighbor is over a mile away. Cry moar cityfag
You should think about how the food you eat makes its way to where you are, then think about what would happen to the people around you when they start to starve.
Enough to feed you through the winter, without fertilizer? Maybe so, it’s certainly possible. My brother homesteads in Alaska and uses the Ruth Stout method. He’s also nuttier than squirrel shit.
why do we have to pretend that everyone who lives outside a city is a fucking off-grid prepper with their le buggybag ready to go and a decade's worth of lube for their onahole in storage?
most people out in the sticks don't even have a fucking rainwater collection tank
3 months ago
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Most people out in the sticks are gays, but EVERYONE in cities are gays
Solar flare would fry the grid and it would take decades to replace it assuming you would have modern functioning society. But the society relies on communication so the trucks deliver goods to your local grocery. We would be completely fucked. Cars wouldn't work anyway. You cannot feed the amount of people we have now with horses and wagons.
Although it wasn't a solar flare, it was nanotechnology weaponized by the DoD that run out of control. The show sucked pretty hard. One of those LOST clones. It started out with a "Hunger Games" archer girl as the lead, but she was a mediocre Strong Female Protagonist.
Eventually, the show course-corrected because her uncle with a dark past, played by Billy Burke, was a more interesting character.
It was also the first semi-prominent role for Giancarlo Esposito, who was a recurring bad guy who became a co-lead over time by being way more interesting than the character intended to be the actual Big Bads. Kim Raver had a Lady Macbeth dynamic with him that was pretty good. They were constantly egging each other on to be bigger bastards.
Show got cancelled after 2 seasons, and Eric Kripke went on to make Timeless, which was far less Based.
They wouldn't make one about something that could actually happen. Survival movies on the whole promote individualism and self reliance and you don't wan't that.
Each year there’s about a 0.2% chance of a solar flare hitting earth that’s capable of knocking out the electrical grid so it’s gonna happen sooner or later.
Nope. The idea is quite sound and empirical.
A strong solar flare hitting earth would induce catastrophic voltages on every unprotected electrical system
>How come this hasn't been made yet?
Because that's the ultimate horror story for Gen-Y and Gen-Z raised on electronics.
Can you imagine suddenly your car not working, nevertheless GPS telling you where to go in the post-apocalypse? Can you understand the horrors of not ordering food on your phone, then having it magically appear on your doorstep? Can you understand the pain and traume of being in the post-apocalypse trying to go online to blame white supremacists and Trump for the solar flare only to find Facebook is down, Twitch is down so no one can watch you livestream your feelings, Tiktok is down so no one can listen to you complain, and besides all of your electronics were fried unusale beyond repair by the solar flare? Can you imagine your Tesla or other modern car being fried beyond repair while someone in an old camaro or Mexican in an old truck goes cruising by, and all you can hear is him saying "FAGS?"
They don't want to think about the worst-case horror scenario for them.
You left out the part where the guy in the camaro or old truck, is almost certaintly consuming the same vapid, technologically dependent horse shit as the fag. Wowie zowie your car is magically delivered gas at the gas station instead of magically delivered electricity at the same gas station. Mr fuckin mountain man over here. You shop at cosco, not amazon? Woah. PrepHole goes with tik tok as well
Yeah, imagine believing a solar flare would destroy everything electronic device on Earth. Same retards probably talk about what they would do in a zombie apocalypse
Just taking out the semi trucks transporting the food in America would cause the fucking Thunderdome you fucking donkey. It would cascade into people killing each other for food very quickly.
The people living in the big cities would almost immediately begin to starve. An interruption of even 20% of the food supply would mean death for most people in cities of over half a million people. I’ve seen the fucking studies and war games figures. That’s why Americas interstate system is a federally protected resource.
>I’ve seen the fucking studies and war games figures
lol, lmao
The interstate was created in order to easily transport military equipment. They didn't give a fuck about making it easier to transport food.
Aren't most essential electric curcuits protected against things like that? I remember that I read something along those lines, at least when it comes to power.
gay premise. solar flares dont change the laws of physics. circuits can be replaced. there would be a panic for a couple days until everyone found out where the camps are and then back to normal after a few months.
there would be a lot of frozen food that needs to be eaten. all the livestock would still be alive. there are huge stores of shelf stable food. almost everyone lives within a days walk of government facility that can house thousands of people in an emergency. the military has mechanics and knows how combustion engines work. there are millions of civilians who know how to fix a generator...nevermind you can generate electricity with a bit of copper a few magnets and a bicycle.
couple days of panic and quickly back to normal.
spin copper between magnets and you get electricity. no solar flare will change that. that means its only a matter of days before electricity is restored remotely and then its only a matter of weeks before its restored to dense populations and restored practically everywhere after a few months. sure it would be disruptive but not reason to think it would devolve to mad max since the only problem is damage to infrastructure.
maybe it would be a real problem if somehow electricity stopped existing and everything else in the universe magically worked the same but that would be a shit movie/tv series because thats not how the universe works (and they tried it and it was shit because the premise is shit)
>matter of weeks
The frozen food would go bad within a day. The military would be busy instilling martial law.
3 months ago
Anonymous
People could eat dry packaged food like cereals, biscuits and oats.
I'm sure you not getting your tendies wouldn't be the end of the world.
3 months ago
Anonymous
it takes a long time to thaw out a cold storage warehouse 500 feet underground. and martial law is why theres nothing to worry about. theres no arguing about what to do with all the milk and eggs that are still being produced at rates well beyond human needs, the military takes it and feeds the people at the camps. theres no roving gangs of looters because the military kills everyone who doesnt report to camp.
ultimitely it takes more suspension of disbelief than zombie movies so theres no point
3 months ago
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Milk and eggs wouldn't be produced like they currently are, factory farming requires shipping, fertilizer, feed, and machines on a scale that hand tools and manual labor cannot match. You would have massive die-offs of people who can't find food. A modern city only has about 3-4 days of food in it. Even if you restore power in 6 months, millions will die.
The military is made up of people with families spread out far and wide. Long gone are the days of private Smith's mom and dad living 20 miles from base. The whole thing would crumble when Zoomers realize they're 1500 miles or more from their loved ones and abandon their posts to head back home. Oh and without modern communications, the entire military would be extremely hard to manage. There's also only 1.4 million active duty military. Take away their comms, their supply chain, and their air superiority, and they become very vulnerable to the rabble with AR-15s.
This book is close to that only it also includes making gunpowder and combustion engines not work anymore also. First couple of books were pretty good and then it gets dumb. I did learn the best part of a car to make a sword out of is the leaf spring suspension.
Anything in a faraday cage survives and is useable. This means anything in a metal garage is fine so many vehicles are unfried. Anything outside the solar flare radius is fine (so at least half the planet still has tech).
A solar flare would definitely cause mass chaos, but not apocalyptic. Canada got hit in the 80s and was basically fine after a month. Could be a good premise for a movie, but survival nuts over emphasize the threat.
Imagine one of these hitting Earth.
Forget your faraday cages and farms. There's nothing stopping the mobs from wanting something that you have, and they don't.
In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower.
NYC experienced it's first coyote attack last week, and 3 people were bitten by sharks the last few days. Officials are calling this the new normal. Nature is coming back to the City whether they want it or not.
>all these cityfags getting upset at the slowly-dawning realization that their lives are only able to continue with the assistance of a government that hates them and wants them dead
1) Because the effects of it are too long and slow for a movie. Showing people slowly die to things like starvation or dysentery are boring. Conversely, if there's a quick fix and they get the power back on, then everyone is fine. You're basically asking for a movie about the power going out for a couple days.
2) That actually can't happen. Despite all of the memes and people begging for more money for stupid projects, modern electrical grids have enough shut offs and designated points of failure that even a catastrophic shut down could be 100% corrected within a couple weeks, with power returning as early as the day after.
What are they surviving in this scenario? Not using a microwave or something else?
Not being able to TikTok ever again is a death sentence
>being unable to comprehend how just about everything is ran with computers these days
*run
Yeah things would become difficult, but not impossible.
if you're a cityfag you're 100% fucked
ruralchads will be alright
Power grid would be down for years, even decades
World wide.
If that doesn't scare you you don't understand.
>If that doesn't scare you you don't understand.
Kek, scare me?
I literally pray for that to happen.
Men often pray for their own demise
Bullshit
Every single metal wire extended more than 10 meters long would literally overheat and melt.
Sure it would. Just more speculative horseshit like Y2K was.
>Y2K
It saddens me how people identified a really big fuck up, planned a global contingency and managed to execute it properly only for people to dismiss the problem because people successfully managed to avoided it.
This, the techies worked their asses off for years and fixed the problem, and then when things didn't go boom, the clueless media declared it was never a problem after all.
The following conversation occurred between two operators of the American telegraph line between Boston, Massachusetts, and Portland, Maine, on the night of 2 September 1859 and reported in the Boston Evening Traveler:
Boston operator (to Portland operator): "Please cut off your battery [power source] entirely for fifteen minutes."
Portland operator: "Will do so. It is now disconnected."
Boston: "Mine is disconnected, and we are working with the auroral current. How do you receive my writing?"
Portland: "Better than with our batteries on. – Current comes and goes gradually."
Boston: "My current is very strong at times, and we can work better without the batteries, as the aurora seems to neutralize and augment our batteries alternately, making current too strong at times for our relay magnets. Suppose we work without batteries while we are affected by this trouble."
Portland: "Very well. Shall I go ahead with business?"
Boston: "Yes. Go ahead."
The conversation was carried on for around two hours using no battery power at all and working solely with the current induced by the aurora, the first time on record that more than a word or two was transmitted in such manner.[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
>1859
Don't care
No, it was totally a real thing and not made up media bullshit. Sure thing anon.
>we would go back to the heckin stone age
Just reddit fantasy shit
Cool story bro
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
Neat, thanks
We're overdue for another one, and on occasion aurora do form in more southern areas that aren't used to getting them.
Note related links at the bottom of the page lists a british show with the same premise called COBRA.
The September 1859 Carrington event was the largest Coronal Mass Ejection in recorded history, which caused catastrophic, global damage of electrical lines and telegraph infrastructure. Equipment threw sparks, outright exploded, and zapped operators with electric shocks. This sounds pretty bad until you look into it and find out that they repaired a lot of this damage in just over a week.
The Carrington Event was a rare, once-in-a-millennia storm, and less powerful geomagnetic storms are more common. Most CME's never even hit Earth to begin with, let alone with as much power as 1859.
Projections have been run to determine how long it would take to repair damage in the US from a CME that was half the power of the Carrington Event; depending on your region, it could take one week for services to be restored, or one year. Either way, it's not really enough to destroy civilization. If you've ever lived through a rough hurricane you know that making it a few weeks or months without power isn't really all that bad, it's just hilariously inconvenient and sucks ass.
People would assuredly die in such a situation, but it would be less because armageddon has finally come and more because the oxygen machine they were dependent on electrocuted them and then shut off.
Hurricane zones receive relief from zones that weren't hit by the hurricane.
Global incidents of this kind are therefore much more dangerous than any local mishap
Hurricanes were only used as an example for power loss. Despite being less widespread, a hurricane is more severe a threat. They receive the relief they do because of the complete obliteration and flooding of neighborhoods, not because Tiktok is down.
As I said, electricity shutting down for an extended period would not be particularly dangerous. You'd have a spike of deaths in the beginning from medical equipment failing, transformers popping near workers, streetlights shutting off and causing crashes, but that would be about the end of it. The hardest part of dealing with a CME would be rebuilding infrastructure, maybe dealing with some opportunistic looting. It really wouldn't be as bad as people think.
I wish it would, I would love nothing more than to spend the rest of my days popping looted painkillers and shooting at black people, but it's not going to happen. At least, not from a CME.
It's also worth mentioning that along with these events comes an aurora so powerful that it generates wireless electricity capable of powering electronics.
During the 1859 event telegraph operators were able to send messages using no power source, as the aurora would carry the signal. Reading the actual telegraphs is pretty funny too since it's basically two working stiffs talking about how much better the equipment runs off the aurora as opposed to actual batteries.
Do you not remember what happened to toilet paper in stores after just a week of run?
Now imagine that with food
>do you remember what happened the last time the media hyped up some bullshit
The irony is palpable
I remember a completely artificial and temporary loss of a locally-produced commodity, yes. Do you remember how quickly it went away?
After two rolls of paper towels.
>I used a bad example only to illustrate why it would not be a problem
Yes, you are a complete moron. A global scale destruction of the grid would destroy the civilization. It wouldn't be an exinction event but it would put us decades or centuries back and most of humanity would starve to death.
>It wouldn't be an exinction event but it would put us decades or centuries back and most of humanity would starve to death.
It wouldn't be either you hyperbolic gay. That was the point from the beginning.
>no communication to efficiently manage distribution
>no cars to distribute goods
>no gnomish global system to save transfer of goods in efficient manner
You would starve to death you fucking moron.
Retard I live surrounded by Amish people that I know and work with I will not starve under any circumstances. And neither will anyone else. The problem with people like you is that you have this idea in your head that if electronics and the grid get wiped out, that's it. That there is no way to repair or replicate these things. That all production grinds to a permanent halt, nothing can be made without being printed in mass in chink factories, it's outright impossible to repair things or find parts that work. Can't communicate information or instructions without a phone call, writing it on paper and having one guy take it to another guy is preposterous.
I think in your fantasy scenario where The Long Dark becomes reality you personally would never come close to starving because you'd give up and have a nice day immediately.
>writing it on paper and having one guy take it to another guy is preposterous
yeah dude i just sent a bicycle courier from DC to LA, not an issue
A bunch of alcoholics were able to ride horses and walk about the same fucking distance given enough time and that was before we paved over most of it.
>given enough time
just a couple months for orders and instructions to be sent nationwide during an emergency, no biggie
Of course you can do all that, but it will be slow as hell. The modern world is built upon high speed and hight throughput. In the time it will take to get things back to normal, gigantic losses will have happened.
>nothing can be made without being printed in mass in chink factories
What factories? They would be destroyed too. You can repair things sure, but not before the majority of population would starve to death.
>Can't communicate information or instructions without a phone call, writing it on paper and having one guy take it to another guy is preposterous.
You are the blackest gorilla moron. You have no sense of scope of modern infrastructure and the needs to operate it. Sending someone with a paper works when you have 30M people, not 300M people.
large parts of india still work this way and they dont collapse
Counterpoint: normal life for a rural Indian is basically mad max for a first worlder
Not anymore. Almost every village in India has electricity now.
Even Africans have smartphones now. Things have changed very drastically in the third world over the last 15 years and Westerners haven't really noticed yet.
Why would we? Shitholes with smartphones are still shitholes.
Not really, they have electricity everywhere now but lets just assume you are correct for the sake of argument. Say the entire India lives without electricity, just the good old ox plowing the fields. It has nothing to do with you in your beautiful first world country. Electricity is gone. You are not getting imports from India. If you don't know how to survive in the wild and hunt, you are fucked. Soldiers would seize the goods, the society would collapse into small military-authoritarian cities. The good old ox in India is still plowing the field like nothing happened while your face is stomped by a boot of whoever has the best military equipment.
In 1859 people were still using petrol lamps to light themselves, its the figurative stone age of electronics, there’s more computing power in whatever device you are using to post this than there was in the entire world at the time
Back then fields were still plotted via oxen, food harvested manually and then transported in carriages pulled by horses or on steam powered, mechanically operated trains
Comparing it to a local power outage after a storm is so incredibly narrow minded I’m surprised it even crossed your mind
What part of this discounts the projections I mentioned? We've already predicted the level of damage from something similar occurring and it still doesn't take a decade to fix like some people were suggesting - a year at most is what it would take. My point is not that a local and global power outage is the same, my point is that it's not a big fucking deal. You're not going to get Mad Max off the back of a geostorm. You just won't.
You said they took into account a half power, which is not even close to comparable, imagine a magnitude 4 earthquake vs a magnitude 8
But if those projections are accurate then alright, what I’m getting at is the rest of your post is complete nonsense
>1859 tier electronics or lack of reliance on them
>comparing a localised storm to a global event
That’s not how earthquake magnitudes work dummy, it’s a logarithmic scale.
And how do solar flares magnitudes work?
You take the length of your penis and multiply by your iq. If your result is a one digit number you know you’re correct.
This is so utterly retarded that I'm simply going to ignore it. You are really hung up on the hurricane thing, it was a throwaway example for me but it seems to be the lynchpin of your entire argument for some reason that I'm not nearly stupid enough to understand.
>magnitude 4 earthquake vs a magnitude 8
Richter scale is logarithmic, smoothbrain
nobody knows or cares what that means
Let me simplify it for you: when you play Pokemon, if you use magnitude and get a 10 it deals a lot more damage than if you get a 5
moron, 2% of the pop are farmers now, which means in a needs-must scenario we can 50x our farmer-corp overnight. Get your head out of your ass and start thinking 5th dimensionally
Sure, but they also hadn't really invented proper shielding either. We haven't built our infrastructure in ignorance, it would damage and destroy probably most stuff but not all.
It's wild to me how people like you don't understand concept of scale, let alone how much more reliant we are on tech compared to 150 years ago.
>one week with no outside communications, lighting, entertainment, or fast food
I’d say your survival depends entirely on the demographics in your area
You fell for the meme.
We have warning systems for solar flares now, and responsible power companies would disconnect transformers from the grid ahead of time.
Besides there are also emergency disconnects (fuses 100000$ each) that could protect against an unanticipated event. While shitty third world penny pinchers would suck it, your capitalist overlords won't so you have nothing to worry about. But you're a dumb fuck and nothing will change your mind. Whatever.
Checkmate atheists, this is from a documentary about solar flares.
>If that doesn't scare you you don't understand.
Bruh, I'd give everything I have for this to happen already. It's unironically all I live for
No power.
No modern communications (radio's dead, base stations are dead. Basic to simple transistor radios)
No satellites.
No GPS.
Most modern cars are unusable.
Potentially meltdown scenarios depending on how unhardened monitoring/cooling systems are in nuclear plants.
Solar systems are dead, because your MPPTs and inverters got fried. So no power there either.
Pumps and generators using circuits of any kind for regulation? Dead.
What I'm trying to say is: The amish would holocaust your ass, attach your skull to the front of their Lamborghini Buggy and make your children slaves.
How? Are they gonna shoot us with their muskets?
>How? Are they gonna shoot us with their muskets?
Why do you believe Amish don't have automatic rifles?
It's cheap and easy to protect electronics and make your own faraday cage
Stick a thinkpad and a baofeng in a lidded metal wastebin and seal it up with electrical tape
I for one will still be funposting if le solar flare happens in real life
Sure, you can protect individual electronics, but you can't protect the electrical grid
Stick a solar generator or something in too. Stock up on batteries
There will be plenty of ham boomers still transmitting if the grid goes down, it's something they think about all the time
People in Asia constantly transmit pictures of anime girls over the lines, so the memes will be safe
The real issue is the just-in-time supply chain
Most of the possible deaths will be people starving to death or fighting one another. I'd say it's a hard event to put in cinematic format because you wouldn't have a clear issue or enemy to fight against and most of the conflict would be drawn out and not attention-grabbing enough for audiences
If anything would be damaged by a solar flare, it would be the internet infrastructure.
No shitposting for anyone for a long time
My '83 Ford van just might make it. Carburated and mechanical everything except for the radio.
Based van bro. At least until you run out of gas.
Yeah that's true. I'd be able to siphon from cars for a while before it becomes a permanently parked structure. It's got a fiberglass high top so it would do as a makeshift shelter for a while.
>attach your skull to the front of their Lamborghini Buggy
Cars would be dead too.
Not my car.
90% of the population starving to death
>he thinks we won’t just immediately make new electronics
Lmao preppers are always retarded
No bro, we will totally be in the stone age for decades. It's just masturbatory bullshit
Not being able to refrigerate food on a global scale for even just a year would trigger world-wide famine you collosal midwit
You could preserve it in salt like old times, nitwit.
How much salt do you personally own right now?
How much salt would be available to you once everyone realizes they need it?
You’re talking to someone that has never killed something to eat it. What will he cure? Tree bark?
I'll cure ur mum's vagina with my dik
Lol, she said you tried but Asian dicks are too small to bother with.
That's true. For someone whose vagina got stretched by the entire neighborhood any dick would be small I suppose
Hey man, don’t hate the player hate the game. Everyone knows yellow dicks might as well be vaginas.
Everyone knows ur mum is the town mattress
That’s true for everyone expect brown people. Yucky.
>changed his strawman from a yellow to a brown because he can't argue without bringing race into it
Sad!
Hey were talking about my moms pussy here! I’m pretty picky about it.
>How much salt do you personally own right now?
Wouldn't you like to know
Shalln't be having my salt
Only bigbrains like me appreciate how important it is to amass salt
Right now? Not much.
But I could mine a ton from your comments ITT
500lbs of rock salt, ocean half a days bike ride away if I run out. Sucks to suck, cityfag
>ocean half a days bike ride
So you live in an extremely populated area (all coastlines are). You would be among the first to die when people started dying of first thrust and then hunger. You aren’t curing or storing shit Black. You’ll end up some Mexicans dinner.
>cityfag
>fat
>dumb
Follows. Pop density of my county is 40/sqmi, most of that in a 'city' of 30k, my nearest neighbor is over a mile away. Cry moar cityfag
The machines that make electronics would also go bye bye
Even assuming they survive, how long do you think it would take to replace everything?
A lot of the US military is hardened for things like this so they'll be able to do whatever they want most likely
hilariously enough, Russia could weather the situation too because some of their old infrastructure still uses tubes and is resistant to EMPs
You should think about how the food you eat makes its way to where you are, then think about what would happen to the people around you when they start to starve.
I'm a rural chad, my food comes from my garden and the animals that I keep
Enough to feed you through the winter, without fertilizer? Maybe so, it’s certainly possible. My brother homesteads in Alaska and uses the Ruth Stout method. He’s also nuttier than squirrel shit.
>Enough to feed you through the winter
Yes. Do you citygays really not have even a years food on hand?
i only keep a couple weeks worth. if i cant get more food after that i doubt i want to hang around anyway.
why do we have to pretend that everyone who lives outside a city is a fucking off-grid prepper with their le buggybag ready to go and a decade's worth of lube for their onahole in storage?
most people out in the sticks don't even have a fucking rainwater collection tank
Most people out in the sticks are gays, but EVERYONE in cities are gays
Good for you - it now all belongs to anyone who outguns and/or outnumbers you.
All the nuclear powerplants on earth melting down.
No refrigeration would be pretty devastating since nowhere has locally produced food anymore, it all gets shipped in from ages away.
Solar flare would fry the grid and it would take decades to replace it assuming you would have modern functioning society. But the society relies on communication so the trucks deliver goods to your local grocery. We would be completely fucked. Cars wouldn't work anyway. You cannot feed the amount of people we have now with horses and wagons.
JJ Abrams made a short lived tv show about this
>JarJar
Strike one
What was it called?
This was a dumb show, but it was enjoyable while it lasted.
The main character was annoying as fuck. Constantly whining and crying like a bitch. Dropped it after three episodes.
Revolution.
Although it wasn't a solar flare, it was nanotechnology weaponized by the DoD that run out of control. The show sucked pretty hard. One of those LOST clones. It started out with a "Hunger Games" archer girl as the lead, but she was a mediocre Strong Female Protagonist.
Eventually, the show course-corrected because her uncle with a dark past, played by Billy Burke, was a more interesting character.
It was also the first semi-prominent role for Giancarlo Esposito, who was a recurring bad guy who became a co-lead over time by being way more interesting than the character intended to be the actual Big Bads. Kim Raver had a Lady Macbeth dynamic with him that was pretty good. They were constantly egging each other on to be bigger bastards.
Show got cancelled after 2 seasons, and Eric Kripke went on to make Timeless, which was far less Based.
well yeah it's pretty hard to shoot a movie with no electricity
I was sure there was a movie about this with Kevin Bacon but I can't find it, maybe I'm mistaken.
Found it, not Kevin Bacon. The Trigger Effect
They wouldn't make one about something that could actually happen. Survival movies on the whole promote individualism and self reliance and you don't wan't that.
The entire extraction, production, shipping and distribution of everything would ground to an halt.
Nearly every African would starve to death. Same with 50-75% of the rest of the populations of every other continent.
Too scary for Zoomers to consider.
Each year there’s about a 0.2% chance of a solar flare hitting earth that’s capable of knocking out the electrical grid so it’s gonna happen sooner or later.
that's some Y2K nonsense
Nope. The idea is quite sound and empirical.
A strong solar flare hitting earth would induce catastrophic voltages on every unprotected electrical system
That's still once every 10000 years
Didn’t this happen in the late 1800’s and fry all telegraph lines or something?
We would just use bicycles to get everywhere instead
>How come this hasn't been made yet?
>Hasnt seen this kino yet
Its like you people arent just pretending to be plebs
What is this movie called for those of us who don't read/speak ching-chong
>How come this hasn't been made yet?
Because that's the ultimate horror story for Gen-Y and Gen-Z raised on electronics.
Can you imagine suddenly your car not working, nevertheless GPS telling you where to go in the post-apocalypse? Can you understand the horrors of not ordering food on your phone, then having it magically appear on your doorstep? Can you understand the pain and traume of being in the post-apocalypse trying to go online to blame white supremacists and Trump for the solar flare only to find Facebook is down, Twitch is down so no one can watch you livestream your feelings, Tiktok is down so no one can listen to you complain, and besides all of your electronics were fried unusale beyond repair by the solar flare? Can you imagine your Tesla or other modern car being fried beyond repair while someone in an old camaro or Mexican in an old truck goes cruising by, and all you can hear is him saying "FAGS?"
They don't want to think about the worst-case horror scenario for them.
You left out the part where the guy in the camaro or old truck, is almost certaintly consuming the same vapid, technologically dependent horse shit as the fag. Wowie zowie your car is magically delivered gas at the gas station instead of magically delivered electricity at the same gas station. Mr fuckin mountain man over here. You shop at cosco, not amazon? Woah. PrepHole goes with tik tok as well
How would they film the movie if all electronics are fried? dumbass...
>he thinks electronic equipment that isn’t plugged in will get destroyed by an emp
Yall retarded
of all the electronics you own, how many aren't plugged in RIGHT NOW?
A lot of em because I’m paranoid about all my old stuff catching fire
What about stuff connected to surge protectors?
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Holy shit this thread is filled to the brim with retards.
Yeah, imagine believing a solar flare would destroy everything electronic device on Earth. Same retards probably talk about what they would do in a zombie apocalypse
Solar flares exist
Zombies do not
They exist, but your nightmare scenario is just gay fan fiction
Solar flares cause electromagnetic disruptions in the earth's magnetic field
Big enough disruptions to the earth magnetic field can cause electromagnetic induction on conductive materials worldwide
Unprotected and/or delicate electronics are disrupted on a global scale as a result
Each step is based on real understanding of electromagnetism and cosmic effects
Just 2 more weeks bro
Not saying it's likely, or that it will happen in our lifetime. I'm just saying it's technically possible
So ultimately, you are saying nothing.
I'm posting on PrepHole, I thought that was a given
Touché
Just taking out the semi trucks transporting the food in America would cause the fucking Thunderdome you fucking donkey. It would cascade into people killing each other for food very quickly.
Okay bro
The people living in the big cities would almost immediately begin to starve. An interruption of even 20% of the food supply would mean death for most people in cities of over half a million people. I’ve seen the fucking studies and war games figures. That’s why Americas interstate system is a federally protected resource.
>I’ve seen the fucking studies and war games figures
lol, lmao
The interstate was created in order to easily transport military equipment. They didn't give a fuck about making it easier to transport food.
Food is “military equipment” too. Or do you think breathtarianism is part of basic?
Jokes on them I already have a pig farm. Who run bartertown? I run bartertown.
You're in good company I presume then?
Space doesn't exist retard
Aren't most essential electric curcuits protected against things like that? I remember that I read something along those lines, at least when it comes to power.
Most are protected by a ground line.
But ground lines don't work in this scenario because they also become live
People lived before electricity you know. Zoomers are fucking terrified lol.
Any time there has been a mass interruption on a resource people have become dependent upon, most of said people died.
Can't have the goyim preparing for the rugpull
gay premise. solar flares dont change the laws of physics. circuits can be replaced. there would be a panic for a couple days until everyone found out where the camps are and then back to normal after a few months.
>camps
There’s 330 million people in America, how would they get there? What would they eat when they get there? Drink?
There are at least 330 million bicycles at my local Walmart, and water falls from the sky with some regularity.
>330 million bicycles
Please take this ridiculous conversation seriously.
Are you implying there weren't at least that many bicycles? Are you some kind of anti-cyclite?
I’m bikephobic.
>and water falls from the sky with some regularity.
The Fool doesn't mean "you are an idiot." That's not how tarot works
True.
On the other hand, caring about the meaning of tarot at all is a pretty good dumb signal
I live in New Mexico.
In the event that the sun blow dries the earth, you'll be able to stop doing that
you and donkey could drill a well in a day.
there would be a lot of frozen food that needs to be eaten. all the livestock would still be alive. there are huge stores of shelf stable food. almost everyone lives within a days walk of government facility that can house thousands of people in an emergency. the military has mechanics and knows how combustion engines work. there are millions of civilians who know how to fix a generator...nevermind you can generate electricity with a bit of copper a few magnets and a bicycle.
couple days of panic and quickly back to normal.
I can’t tell if you’re fucking with me or if you just really REALLY dumb.
spin copper between magnets and you get electricity. no solar flare will change that. that means its only a matter of days before electricity is restored remotely and then its only a matter of weeks before its restored to dense populations and restored practically everywhere after a few months. sure it would be disruptive but not reason to think it would devolve to mad max since the only problem is damage to infrastructure.
maybe it would be a real problem if somehow electricity stopped existing and everything else in the universe magically worked the same but that would be a shit movie/tv series because thats not how the universe works (and they tried it and it was shit because the premise is shit)
>matter of weeks
The frozen food would go bad within a day. The military would be busy instilling martial law.
People could eat dry packaged food like cereals, biscuits and oats.
I'm sure you not getting your tendies wouldn't be the end of the world.
it takes a long time to thaw out a cold storage warehouse 500 feet underground. and martial law is why theres nothing to worry about. theres no arguing about what to do with all the milk and eggs that are still being produced at rates well beyond human needs, the military takes it and feeds the people at the camps. theres no roving gangs of looters because the military kills everyone who doesnt report to camp.
ultimitely it takes more suspension of disbelief than zombie movies so theres no point
Milk and eggs wouldn't be produced like they currently are, factory farming requires shipping, fertilizer, feed, and machines on a scale that hand tools and manual labor cannot match. You would have massive die-offs of people who can't find food. A modern city only has about 3-4 days of food in it. Even if you restore power in 6 months, millions will die.
The military is made up of people with families spread out far and wide. Long gone are the days of private Smith's mom and dad living 20 miles from base. The whole thing would crumble when Zoomers realize they're 1500 miles or more from their loved ones and abandon their posts to head back home. Oh and without modern communications, the entire military would be extremely hard to manage. There's also only 1.4 million active duty military. Take away their comms, their supply chain, and their air superiority, and they become very vulnerable to the rabble with AR-15s.
Total technophile death
It's a fun what if, also solves the narrative problems modern technology creates
The sun is gay.
This book is close to that only it also includes making gunpowder and combustion engines not work anymore also. First couple of books were pretty good and then it gets dumb. I did learn the best part of a car to make a sword out of is the leaf spring suspension.
Forgot picrel.
~~*They*~~ don’t want you to know what to do in such a situation
I'm more worried about terrorists and other such extremists than I am about solar flares.
Anything in a faraday cage survives and is useable. This means anything in a metal garage is fine so many vehicles are unfried. Anything outside the solar flare radius is fine (so at least half the planet still has tech).
A solar flare would definitely cause mass chaos, but not apocalyptic. Canada got hit in the 80s and was basically fine after a month. Could be a good premise for a movie, but survival nuts over emphasize the threat.
the sun is way too gay to be what takes us out
Kind of hoping this happens Irl. Society needs to be humbled.
Imagine one of these hitting Earth.
Forget your faraday cages and farms. There's nothing stopping the mobs from wanting something that you have, and they don't.
In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower.
NYC experienced it's first coyote attack last week, and 3 people were bitten by sharks the last few days. Officials are calling this the new normal. Nature is coming back to the City whether they want it or not.
The entire maritime shipping industry would be annihilated.
No fleet, no international supply lines. No international supplies and globohomo crumbles like the house of cards it always was.
Not to mention all satellites are space junk now.
All modern sea travel relies on GPS
>all these cityfags getting upset at the slowly-dawning realization that their lives are only able to continue with the assistance of a government that hates them and wants them dead
lol
Wouldn't any kind of coaxial cable completely neuter this effect? Or, generally, any faraday cage?
Can't put the grid in a faraday cage
Literally just add a layer of foil in the insulation, I don't understand why this wouldn't work. Plus, we're increasingly migrating to fibre for comms
Because extra insulation costs money and a solar flare is a really unlikely event
Magnitude of consequence offsets the improbability IMO, the sun sharting and wiping out our society is not something to sneeze at
Go write a letter to your state representative stating your concerns.
I'm pretty sure the problem will be solved in no time
Yeah politicians are well known for their scientific literacy
bro, the US grid is decades old on average. You think they cared about some random doomsay scenario back in the 70s?
1) Because the effects of it are too long and slow for a movie. Showing people slowly die to things like starvation or dysentery are boring. Conversely, if there's a quick fix and they get the power back on, then everyone is fine. You're basically asking for a movie about the power going out for a couple days.
2) That actually can't happen. Despite all of the memes and people begging for more money for stupid projects, modern electrical grids have enough shut offs and designated points of failure that even a catastrophic shut down could be 100% corrected within a couple weeks, with power returning as early as the day after.
bitch please, the US is struggling to cope with electric cars because most of their infrastructure was built before the turn of the millennium
you can larp all about modern contingencies all you want, the vast majority of your lines and power stations are older than you are
normies don't know shit about solar flares so they either don't know they exist or think they'll burn up the surface with a gigantic fireball
How would they fucking film it then, retard? There'd be no cameras.
Just use old timey analog film cameras anon
Problem solved!