>sub machine guns, especially modern ones have some of the cheapest and ugliest designs of any gun category

>sub machine guns, especially modern ones have some of the cheapest and ugliest designs of any gun category
>all the good looking SMGs are all old, rare and 40'000$

Is there any greater suffering known to man than being an SMG enjoyer?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >weapon class that has nothing to offer beyond being cheap tiny and automatic
    >expecting them to not be ugly, shitty and only for the rich

    You played yourself

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's a handful of nicer modern ones that are accessible like B&T, but yeah the other anon nailed it. This is the wrong category of arms to collect if you're into fine workmanship. The problem for you is that anything that's pretty and has high levels of workmanship is going to be expensive because that doesn't come out of a modern factory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >B&T
      >Still blowback
      Overpriced garbage. The fricking stribog is roller delayed now. Any blowback subgun that is charging more than entry level prices is a ripoff.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What’s wrong with blowback?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it doesn't swallow

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It isn't a locking action so the cartridge is contained by bolt mass and spring pressure. That makes for a gun with lumpy recoil. Not unpleasant but it slows down your followups. You also tend to get more gas back in your face when suppressed and its just not tunable.

          Any locking action will have a lighter bolt and smoother recoil. This lets you shoot accurate much faster. You can also tune the system for the bullet weight and suppressed/unsuppressed. You can train to be fast on a blowback gun but the skill ceiling will always be higher on a locking action. Blowback is also the cheapest way to make a gun. So its pretty obvious corner cutting and price gouging on a $2k sub gun. CMMG developed their own unique delayed system and sell their guns for $1500. So its not that hard or expensive to make a locking sub gun.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So its pretty obvious corner cutting
            Yeah man, that hydraulic buffer sure is a sign of making the gun as cheap as they possibly could.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Making a gimmick buffer is cheaper and easier than doing a locking action. So yeah.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >utilize shit action design
              >cobble together a hydraulic buffer to try and compensate for it
              >when you could have just went with a proven, superior design instead
              Yeah, that IS cheap, you fricking moron

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because you're talking about a historical class of firearms, like "sniper rifles"
    it's a '70s-'90s meta, when you had:
    >battle rifle
    >assault rifle
    >SMG
    >MG
    >sniper rifle
    now that class has basically gone away and supplanted by
    >DMR
    >SPR
    >PDW
    >assault rifle

    there's never been a better time if you want a faux-SOF rifle like a MK18 build but good fricking luck in the 90's if you wanted to build a 10.5" carbine, I hope you're a gunsmith
    if you're in the market for an MP5, you're buying clones because it's basically the same as a thompson or garand or springfield. the meta's moved on and no one regularly uses iron sight bolt rifles or full-length .45 machine guns.
    even PDWs are out now unless you're SS or personal protection detail or whatever.
    it's been 13 years since UBL was killed and even SF now have moved on from the "HK416, GPNVG, MP7" meta

    tl;dr you're 20 years late to the party and pay a premium accordingly

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can buy mp5 clones for $1200 right now.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Uzi with a suppressor is peak SMG aesthetic. That's all I have to say on the subject.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      also affordable, relatively.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why would i care about having an SMG, when i can just have an intermediate carbine thats the same size & merely load it with ammo that doesn't rape my senses when i shoot?
    SMGs are a thing of the past, a luxury item, logistically impracticable, and at best niche use
    if you really care about "muh pdw", just grab any gun with an adjustable gas block & load it with subsonics

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The cure is to stop being nogunz and you'll develop taste in better guns quickly

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The cure is to stop being nogunz and you'll develop taste in better guns quickly
      while that might sound without merit, this is pretty much true
      most guys looking for smgs are in noguns states / countries, since pcc's are so common there, but they want a shorter barrel, but can't get it, so they just mald & whine

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    frick off

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