Strongest militaries of the late cold war

Let's debate what countries had a branch that was dominating any other branch not only in terms of quantity but also in terms of quality.For me it's like:
>Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace and weapons of mass destruction
>South Africans by far had most advanced and well equipped infantry which even after 30 years it still mogs 75% of now day's militaries
>US Navy
Biggest and also most advanced navy, maybe their subs sucked but the rest of the navy was unstoppable

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >maybe their subs sucked
    What? The LA’s were some of the best in the world at the time. Plus you had the new Flight III’s coming into service as well.
    The SA’s were not the best equipped army in the world at the time. That goes to the US again.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > That goes to the US again
      Or arguably the UK

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >south africa
    >advanced and well equiped infantry
    nigguh what?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well equipped, no
      Advanced, yes
      South Africa, and Rhodesia for that matter, were using cutting edge tactics and load bearing equipment to great effect despite their lack of equipment. Since then everyone has tried to emulate them but no one has come close to their effectiveness.
      Do you think SEALs, Delta, or any other Western operators would volunteer for what's basically a suicide mission of less than 100 men into an enemy camp of over 50x that with a few armored cars and half a dozen trucks, only two of which could be converted to technicals, let alone be able to pull it off without any casualties?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A 1994 Amnesty International publication described the operation as a massacre and stated that the camp at Nyadzonya housed refugees, and that a soldier who participated in the raid later stated: "We were told that Nyadzonia was a camp containing several thousand unarmed refugees who could be recruited to join the guerrillas. It would be easier if we went in and wiped them out while they were unarmed and before they were trained rather than waiting for the possibility of them being trained and sent back armed into Rhodesia"

        >Since then everyone has tried to emulate them but no one has come close to their effectiveness.
        Do you think that might be because they were liars anon?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Amnesty International
          liars

          >realize you should have supported Portugal and Rhodesia because they surrounded you and protected your stupid ass from Communism but now you are surrounded by hostile Communist states
          >finally get involved in armed conflicts with neighbouring countries but manage to get b***h slapped by the fricking Cubans out of all people who were bored and showed up
          >realize your army fricking sucks because you have no army because you just wanted to conscript White Boers (which you didn't make enough of) and your MIC is non-existent because you never took the threat of Communism seriously which means you can't buy new hardware from anyone (cause your stupid ass is embargo'd to death and back) so you are running around with fricking Bren guns and lightly armoured scout cars in the 1980s
          >realize that at any moment after independence you could have made an ethno-state for Boers in the south but instead you were too lazy to pick your own cotton (so to speak) so you kept the Africans around as slaves which completely backfired
          >collapse
          2/2

          [...]
          >The South Africans made due with what they had, but they weren’t pioneering anything besides MRAP designs.
          They actually had the best artillery at the time as well (still do until really recently)

          get involved in armed conflicts with neighbouring countries but manage to get b***h slapped by the fricking Cubans out of all people who were bored and showed up
          Cubans and angolans got theri asses wopped reapeadle despite SA's lack of air power and heavy ground weaponry.
          We support rhodesia on /k/, you should go back to a ukraine thread.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Your source isn't valid because it doesn't support my case
            Ok anon. Keep coping.
            >Cubans and angolans got theri asses wopped reapeadle
            Got their asses wopped right up until they won, huh?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why don't you provide a source?
              all the souces i find point to joint cuban and south african withdrawl after stalemate in the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. Cuabn losses where very high compared to SA and the only thing Cuba had was air.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >joint cuban and south african withdrawl after stalemate in the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale
                Considering the point of the intervention was to stop SA crushing the angolan communists, joint withdrawal after stalemate is total victory,

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in which case the angolan war didn't end till all powers had left the conflict.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shame they won all the battles but let a fricking anc moron win anyway. Alot can be learned form their battles though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We support rhodesia on /k/
            I support them as well but South Africa literally threw them under the bus to save their own ass. Secondly, you are seething because you didn't read anything I wrote.

            >Cubans and angolans got theri asses wopped reapeadle despite SA's lack of air power and heavy ground weaponry.
            Wrong - the only reason why Cuba stopped skullfricking South Africa was because Israel gave them nukes. Prior to that, Cuba was bombing Namibia with their MIG-27s.

            >you should go back to a ukraine thread.
            Huh???? So you support the Russians then? What kind of crack are you smoking?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't support russia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Vorster had not been notified about Operation Eland, and reacted by withdrawing the military support that his government was providing to Rhodesia covertly through Operation Polo. This led to the loss of half the Rhodesian Air Force's helicopter pilots as well as maintenance personnel and liaison officers. Vorster also reduced the supply of oil and munitions to Rhodesia and his foreign minister announced that South Africa would now support a transition to black majority rule in Rhodesia. In response to this pressure, Smith announced on 24 September 1976 that he now agreed to the principle of majority rule
        What an absolute triumph of an operation. Truly the rhodesians were military gods.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          rhodesians militarily are overrated af, on the contrary the south africans are underrated. Many of the rhodesians most successful campaigns were due to south african help. To add to this, many selous scouts refused to join 32bn or the RECCEs as they considered their tactics "too aggressive"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Vorster had not been notified about Operation Eland, and reacted by withdrawing the military support that his government was providing to Rhodesia covertly through Operation Polo. This led to the loss of half the Rhodesian Air Force's helicopter pilots as well as maintenance personnel and liaison officers. Vorster also reduced the supply of oil and munitions to Rhodesia and his foreign minister announced that South Africa would now support a transition to black majority rule in Rhodesia. In response to this pressure, Smith announced on 24 September 1976 that he now agreed to the principle of majority rule
            What an absolute triumph of an operation. Truly the rhodesians were military gods.

            South Africans happen to be some of the dumbest motherfrickers and I can't believe what a clownshow it was:
            >get your independence in 1948 and instead of flooding your country with White Europeans and creating a massive baby boom you immediately implement apartheid (which is really Boer supremacy) so oppress the frick out of everyone who isn't a Boer (including the British) so you end up alienating everyone in the world
            >by the mid-1950s it should be pretty fricking clear that globohomosexual is in full swing and your apartheid shit ain't going to fly soon but you just ignore it
            >by the 1960s, there is full on communist revolutions occurring in Africa right next to you but you sit with your finger up your ass as you let Portugal do all the heavy lifting
            >by the mid 1970s, Portugal's government collapses so Rhodesia starts to feel the heat but instead of supporting them you throw them under the bus because Kissinger told you too
            >by the late 1970s you have no allies anywhere (besides Israel but they trained Mandela for lol) and you finally realize that you are absolutely fricked so you attempt to spin up a proper MIC that you should have done in the 1950s-1960s when you weren't the most embargo'd country in the world
            1/2

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >realize you should have supported Portugal and Rhodesia because they surrounded you and protected your stupid ass from Communism but now you are surrounded by hostile Communist states
              >finally get involved in armed conflicts with neighbouring countries but manage to get b***h slapped by the fricking Cubans out of all people who were bored and showed up
              >realize your army fricking sucks because you have no army because you just wanted to conscript White Boers (which you didn't make enough of) and your MIC is non-existent because you never took the threat of Communism seriously which means you can't buy new hardware from anyone (cause your stupid ass is embargo'd to death and back) so you are running around with fricking Bren guns and lightly armoured scout cars in the 1980s
              >realize that at any moment after independence you could have made an ethno-state for Boers in the south but instead you were too lazy to pick your own cotton (so to speak) so you kept the Africans around as slaves which completely backfired
              >collapse
              2/2

              Their big brain alternatives for AT AFVs were an upgraded centurion, and an armored car with a 76mm gun. The South Africans made due with what they had, but they weren’t pioneering anything besides MRAP designs.

              >The South Africans made due with what they had, but they weren’t pioneering anything besides MRAP designs.
              They actually had the best artillery at the time as well (still do until really recently)

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >realize you should have supported Portugal and Rhodesia because they surrounded you and protected your stupid ass from Communism but now you are surrounded by hostile Communist states
              >finally get involved in armed conflicts with neighbouring countries but manage to get b***h slapped by the fricking Cubans out of all people who were bored and showed up
              >realize your army fricking sucks because you have no army because you just wanted to conscript White Boers (which you didn't make enough of) and your MIC is non-existent because you never took the threat of Communism seriously which means you can't buy new hardware from anyone (cause your stupid ass is embargo'd to death and back) so you are running around with fricking Bren guns and lightly armoured scout cars in the 1980s
              >realize that at any moment after independence you could have made an ethno-state for Boers in the south but instead you were too lazy to pick your own cotton (so to speak) so you kept the Africans around as slaves which completely backfired
              >collapse
              2/2

              [...]
              >The South Africans made due with what they had, but they weren’t pioneering anything besides MRAP designs.
              They actually had the best artillery at the time as well (still do until really recently)

              This, things only suck this much because most Whites are cowards who choose the easy way out

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, they could, effortlessly, if they were fighting against fricking Africans.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >fighting against fricking Africans
          although the camp did contain trained guerrillas and young recruits, many of its inhabitants were old people, women and young children who had fled from Rhodesia as refugees
          >although nearly all the personnel in the camp were unarmed, many were trained guerillas or undergoing instruction
          Anyone could effortlessly slaughter civilians and unarmed partially trained militia.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also this, ZANU in particular were not really well armed. Compare this to the literal cuban military in all its might, FAPLA, SWAPO, or even the ANC, and you find that the South African successes were much more impressive than the Rhodesians, especially accounting for the fact that their aerospace sector had not progressed past the 70s due to military sanctions.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The SASR would.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Believe it or not, it was a white county at the time. I disagree with OP, it was never world class, but it was definitely top tier in Africa.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace
    The US had such a dominance in airpower that it wasn’t even funny. F-15’s would have been swatting migshit out of the sky like flies.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    military for ants

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bumping because the Ratel is the sexiest armoured vehicle ever made
    >(yes I know the SIBMAS is derived from a common prototype and not from the Ratel itself)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Luv me battle bus.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviets
    >dominating aerospace

    zozzle

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Soviets were dependent on autoloader tank swarms, huge networks of AA , artillery barrages and strategic nuclear weaponry.
    In most cases they attempted to one up western planes with different degrees of success, the main problem on the military field is their lack of good electronics, they fricked it up by first declaring computer related science bourgeois babble and then sabotaging their own IT related technologies (they had an idea for internet but highers up said no because they would lose political power).

    It's not just they were forced to buy electronics from the west due a lacking native industry, the paranoiac nature of their society banned stuff like copy machines with hilarious results.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good bait, you got me here's a (you)

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japan had a stretch from the mid 1990s to around 2010 where it was by far the most dominant regional naval power. Also I think in 2000 and 2001 they had the 2nd largest military budget in the world.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are you talking about, South Africa was not the “most advanced” they were a conscript army that was stretched thin and lost in its objectives.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cope

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fighting T-55s with 90mm HEAT in the late 80s early 90s is not helping your argument of advanced. I think South African AFVs are the coolest looking vehicles by far but the protection of a ratel vs a bradley or even a BMP leaves a lot to be desired. If I remember correctly ratels could handle HMG fire at best on a good day.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their big brain alternatives for AT AFVs were an upgraded centurion, and an armored car with a 76mm gun. The South Africans made due with what they had, but they weren’t pioneering anything besides MRAP designs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They had the tank destroyer ratels by that point and you know it. There's a sound clip of the boys testing the first one in combat on YT. Apart from the commander screaming REVERSE, FOOKIN REVERSE REVERSE TRY AGAIN FORWARD They sound like they're at a rugby match.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The ZT variant was made as a direct result of experiencing exactly what I described in operation Askari. It entered service after in 1987.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace
    not really
    they had parity at best, the mig-17 and F-86 sabre were mostly equals in combat
    but the mig-17 was a dead-end design, the centrifugal engine was nearing the limits of what it could do
    but the F-86 was technologically ahead of the curve, with a true radar-guided gunsight and fire-control computer that the soviets copied screw-for-screw when they got their hands on it because it just blew anything they had out of the water

    the gap only widened afterwards, with US radar consistently seeing further than soviet equivalents
    and the gap became impossible to bridge after the digital revolution and the US were able to get computers inside their airframes while the soviets were still stuck with vacuum tubes

  14. 4 weeks ago
    sage

    how were the Sovidiots dominating aerospace when all their air platforms have atrocious K/Ds compared to US equivalents?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace
    You can do better than this for bait, Anon. Have you not checked the numbers on the F-15 vs. literally any Soviet airframe that's ever gone against it? Check out the F-14 and F-16 records as well, while you're at it.
    Late cold war includes the Gulf War, which means the first combat use of AMRAAM over a decade before Vympel finally was put into service. Not even the Soviets thought they had the edge in aerospace after they saw how quickly the coalition curbstomped Saddam's airforce.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soviets were dominating anything related to aerospace and weapons of mass destruction
    Is this supposed to be some kind of joke or are we only including non western militaries in the discussion?

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