Has anyone got a link to any actual insightful analysis as to why Bakhmut is becoming the new Stalingrad?
All the news articles just regurgitate the same old shit but offer very little actual analysis.
There's no manufacturing or critical fuel supplies there. It's not a transportation hub. It seems to be sitting in the low lands elevation wise.
I'm certainly not suggesting it's not important (what the fuck would I know) but I am failing to grasp why it's so significant.
Would just really like to see a genuinely well thought out thesis as to why so many bodies are being thrown into the meat grinder. Failing that, what are the fellow autistic cunts here thinking? It can't just be for the awesome rally circuit in Kromovo.
Middle point between 2 clusters of cities.
Not so much a strategic importance but more the easiest to supply logistically and therefore theoretically the easiest to take.
This. That's all it was at the end of the day, a town close enough to Russia rail supply lines so it made sense to take it especially if the Russians goal is to secure the Donbass. But the Ukrainians were dug and refused to give up without a fight. Whatever value it may have had in the beginning has been long gone.
He really is like a cartoon villain.
Driving slave prison conscripts into human wave attacks.
Yelling angrily in front of piles of human corpses for shells (bioweapon white phosphorus shells too?).
With rape and AIDs and not enough weapons and low survival rate and basically legally mandated human fodder in the form of prison slave mercenaries, with the possibility of freedom being dangled on a stick, which turns into letting hardcore criminals back on the street to commit more crimes.
A Russian man could commit a murder, be recruited into Wagner, survive the meat grinder, win his freedom, go back home, commit another murder, go back to prison, and be recruited by Wagner again. Might even be given a cozy commanding role.
This is a man that PMC Wagner would call a war hero or soldier of fortune at worst.
Or "musician" Lord have mercy on us all.
Sci fi PMCs are now real and they are low budget and inhumanly cruel beyond precedent.
WP isn't a bioweapon.
Russia banned prison recruitment since they saw the suicide attacks were a waste.
Access to Donetzk city water supply canal.
I wouldn't worry about it
Makes me wanna rewatch Stargate.
It's significant because they made it significant. I don't know is any vatnik shills are still keeping up the retarded narrative, but they used to insist Bakhmut was the gateway to the rest of Ukraine, like the Ukies losing the city was going to lead to this massive rout and lose half the country to Russia. Truth be told it's just where the line of battle was drawn for the winter slow-down. It became the next place to capture, and then it held, which made them try harder, only for it not to fall. So they threw Wagner at it, and it didn't fall, while each time they kept insisting that its conquest was right around the corner, digging themselves a deeper hole over their performance in it. The Russians can't afford to stop fighting there, not because of any tactical necessity on their end but because their fucked up culture demands it. Ukraine was initially willing to lose it if necessary, but the city does now have one major export that makes its survival worth it: propaganda. It's a never-ending display of Russian incompetence and Ukrainian valor. Regular men from all walks of life defending it from literal fucking murderers and rapists, the narrative simply cannot be beat. The recent push efforts by Ukraine to recapture a little more and hold out longer was due to May Day, denying Russians their special anniversary victory hurts their morale, even if they insist they never cared in the first place.
What is Bakhmut worth?
The extended cut of that movie is great.
The point of defending Bakhmut was to create a roadbump in between Russian forces and the Kramatorsk - Slovyansk line.
After the initial panicked reinforcement of this line, the goal gradually became to delay the advance of Russian forces towards that line, therefor delaying the shelling of the two cities. (prewar populations 147,145 and 105,141)
Every day that Bakhmut's corpse was shelled was one less day the intact cities beyond were shelled, reducing the cost to civilian lives and infrastructure.
>Every day that Bakhmut's corpse was shelled was one less day the intact cities beyond were shelled, reducing the cost to civilian lives and infrastructure.
I think this is the point that a lot of people miss. Ukraine could retreat to Kramatorsk and Slovyansk, but doing so puts those much larger settlements in the firing line. They're fighting to protect their people and their homes, so if they can keep the fighting contained in a settlement that is already ruined then that is far more appealing that letting it move west and wreck even more cities, even if it means spending lives and combat power to do so. The unbalanced attrition rates favouring Ukraine have only further justified the decision to stay and fight in Bakhmut.
This is a really good point. Thank-you for making it.
Prigozhin and Surovikin came up with the operation "Bakhmut meat grinder". the exchange of thousands of prisoners for thousands of Ukrainian military, while the Russian army strengthens the lines
It was important for the Russians because they needed to change the narrative after being beaten back further west, retreating from Kherson etc.
They needed some success, Soledar and Bakhmut were seen as the go-to targets due to supply lines
>What is the tactical advantage of recruiting thieves, murderers and rapists, letting them loose within your own lines
>Bakhmut is becoming the new Stalingrad?
It isn’t. That’s just some catchy, completely inappropriate comparison made up by retarded zoomer tourists like you.
Stay edgy gay
Russians fell for the sunk cost fallacy and committed to taking the city over because of the past losses.
Ukrainians don’t particularly care about Bakhmut itself any more than any other surrounding city. But they needed to bind Russian forces in a controllable way to prevent them from taking the initiative before the start of their big offensive. And the Russians have solved this problem for them.
Russian stayed goal is control of the entirety of Luhansk, Donetsk, zaporozhina and Kherson. While zaporozhina and Kherson are a stretch, they needed to take bahmut sooner or later.
They tried to surround it first, but when that failed they were forced to conduct extremely costly frontal assaults on well prepared positions.
UA was defending it, because if they want to stop russians, they might as well do it in an already destroyed city that's well prepared for defense.
So Russia only lost its shitty convicts and not much else while Ukraien sustained substantial attrition to its most battle hardend and capable veterans? How exactly is this a Russian loss?
Continue to cope with the myth of "UkRaInE wAs UsInG hEr BeSt TroOpS1!!!!!!!
Ukraine wasn't using her most battle hardened capable Veterans to hold a defensive line that was supposed to be a stopgap.
Ukraine was using the Ukrainian version of Mobliks and foreign Volunteers all the way up to late march when they started adding a pinch of special forces and Azov.
I think it is a bizarre kind of reverse eugenics. The purge of all intellectuals was the first step, now they are ready to move to the next phase.
The end goal might be real life orcs which are fine living in poverty peppered with brutality
Last place before King Monke starts losing territory it already controlled at the start of the war. After Bakhmut Russia is officially failed at Special Military Operation kekkekekeekr
God the vatmorons are goin to be so fucking insufferable once the Russians manage to bash their head through those few apartment blocks still held by Ukrainians.
It wouldn't make sense for them to be proud of that, which is why I'm sure that they will be.
So the Russians attacked it and the Ukrainians were all like "why do you want it so bad, bro?" And the Russians were all like "nothin" and the Ukrainians were all like "no seriously, what's there?" And the Russians were all like "nothing, leave me alone, you don't even want it" and it snowballed from there.
>Strategic importance of Bakhmut?
I miss the cauldron memes. It's crazy how much shit has happened in less than two years.
This is just a continuation of it, that's all it is at this point. Just look where it's zooming in at, and then realize that those months were speculative for last year.
That's all it is at this point, the fizzled out remains of a "great pincer" that was supposed to have cut off Ukraine's army.
To this day, even the Bakhmut cauldron hasn't been closed.
Legal or otherwise?
Unbothered, focused, moisturized, in his lane
Someone said that a lot of railways connect there making it easy to supply.
No, that's Kramatorsk, which is the next town over. Which WOULD have been useful as a North/South supply depot if they could still pull this off
Yeah, any kind of actual "strategic" purpose of railway use kind of fucked off a long time ago.
Just gonna repost this from the last time this question was asked:
it's a rail and road junction with two highways heading to Kramatorsk the state capital
that makes it a stepping stone towards the objective and a potential logistics hub. it also has the best terrain - or rather, least worst - because the other routes are even worse to try and make a breakthrough at.
unfortunately it's really only a waypoint, there are more and more little towns for the AFU to hold up the Russians for another few months each*
Kramatorsk is the state capital of the Donetsk region, it's the ultimate goal. If Putin takes Kramatorsk, he can declare the Donetsk region fully under Russian control (ignoring the bits here and there which aren't), dig in and end the war with "objectives achieved".
In order to take Kramatorsk, Bakhmut is the next most accessible by rail and road, and most assaultable terrain-wise*
*case in point:
>The AFU can easily occupy the heights around Chasiv Yar
>pivot north and threaten Siversk and you cut off the legs of Bilohorivka
except Siversk's terrain is even more defendable than Bakhmut
On the immediate, local scale? Meaningless. The AFU can easily occupy the heights around Chasiv Yar and continue to deny access to Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. But pivot north and threaten Siversk and you cut off the legs of Bilohorivka, and thus threaten one the supply lines of the Svatove-Kremina line for AFU, not the only one mind you, just one. Collapsing Bilohorivka would straighten their front line somewhat too.
Ironically Stalingrad wasn't strategically important either.
The city itself not really since it was mainly a wheat/coal river depot, but it was the last major obstacle between there and the Baku oil fields.
Hitler was so close yet so far.
It's the same story of overextending, underestimating, and the stubbornness borne from it.
you underestimate how close ukraine was to faling mate...
Russians needed any victory with some recognition not the next pisskey.
ukraine wanted to prevent the next city falling and be turned to ashes. so the city held
Core necessity for their twitter offensive
The twitter offensive already concluded with the retaking of Kherson, you must be thinking of the discord offensive.
When it was initially planned it would have opened up a good approach to Sloviansk, because they still had Izyum. After losing Izyum, its only value would be fixing Ukrainian forces to make it more difficult for them to attack elsewhere, and only if the Ukrainians were autistic enough to keep sending reserves in through roads under Russian fire control to avoid a PR loss. Luckily for Wagner that was exactly what the Ukrainians did.
whur tha shells tho?
Say what you will about his chimpout but it DID get more shells for his men. It's objectively good leadership in the middle of that shitshow
Yeah, they're getting plenty of shells.
Yeah, lots, tons even.
Wonder how long before his next breakdown.
they didn't send reserves, just TDF and mobilised that didn't speak English and couldn't be trained on NATO hardware.
Russians learned NOTHING from Severodonetsk, they let themselves be grinded down AGAIN.
It actually took so long that Ukraine now has 8 western-armed and trained brigades, and Azov has reconstituted.
The "reserves" just showed up in the flanks now, drawing Russians away from where the armored fist will punch (flip a coin: Svatove or Zaporizhzhia? Why not both?).
There are videos of Azov and Kraken and various foreign legions fighting there. There were some Ukrainian airborne units too, though to be fair I'm not sure if those are still truly elite or filled with TDF equivalent now.
Azov and Kraken aren't reservists they're just the Ukrainian version of Wagner, ultimately expendable to the Ukrainian government.
Ukraine was using TDF mobliks and Nationalist militias to fight Mobliks and a PMC that's a Nationalistic militia.
>Azov and Kraken aren't reservists they're just the Ukrainian version of Wagner, ultimately expendable to the Ukrainian government.
LOL Azov isn't a shitty PMC by some shitty billionaire. It's an ultra-nationalist militia and their fame has only led to more people joining them. Like them or not, but far left and far right often make fantastic soldiers simply because they're so fanatical and driven. If Azov wants to go to town with Wagner in Bakhmut? Let them.
I thought Azov started out as football hooligans whombst then received some patronage from Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi
>(flip a coin: Svatove or Zaporizhzhia? Why not both?)
Two pronged attack on Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
Svatove stretches the Ukraine logistics pipeline the farthest possible, and for little strategic gain
Dog and pony show. Putin wanted some kind of result and Bakhmut was close enough to Russian logistics that it could be easily attacked. Ukraine took the challenge since they had good defensive positions and didn't care if the city was wrecked. The end result was the Wagner group was so badly mauled that they fucked off out of Ukraine entirely.
>The end result was the Wagner group was so badly mauled that they fucked off out of Ukraine entirely.
Imagine still believing Russian lies at this point.
>they fucked off out of Ukraine entirely
you saying the frontlines are now borders? based
Whatever the rationale was at the beginning, it's important now because that's where the men and materiel for both sides are concentrated. That's where the pressure is highest. To relent there is to invite the other side to push through the wider front with all of the resources already in-theater.
It never held any strategic importance on its own. A handy logistics hub if Vatniks were going to drive westward, but not vital.
Frankly now it’s a field of ruins, so whatever minor utility it MAY have had is now gone. Congratulations on a grid of rubble and broken toilets.
its at the intersection of a few roads and a rail line
also is named after Fyodor Sergeyev, the People's Commissar for Agitation and Propaganda