>Stoeger is owned by Benelli
>Benelli is owned by Beretta
>The M3000 is made in the same factories as the M4 and 1301 and uses the same inertia system
>People on this board call it Turkshit
Huh????
>Stoeger is owned by Benelli
>Benelli is owned by Beretta
>The M3000 is made in the same factories as the M4 and 1301 and uses the same inertia system
>People on this board call it Turkshit
Huh????
Turkshit cope
Fpbp
Stoeger makes genuinely good shotguns though?
fpbp
/thread
Oh, I get it now; the people calling it Turkshit are just genuinely moronic.
Thanks for clearing that up. guys.
Its a cultural thing. Ever travel to the ME? The "eh, good enough" outlook on things pervades everything in their culture. Meanwhile, Northern Italians are a lot like Germans or Swiss in that the sentiment of "it has to be right" pervades a lot of what they do.
Is it Turkshit? No. But be aware of who is making the gun, not just what tools or materials are being used to make it.
I have a shot a lot of benellis and berettas. I've felt the stoeger "clone".
It probably works fine, and could probably be slicked up a bit, but the overall lower manufacturing quality is very evident. Everything is rough, gritty and stiff comparatively.
They're definitely not "just as good" but they're not necessarily bad either.
destroyed
This guy tells the truth. I know it hurts OP, but you shouldn't have been such a fricking moron. Your enemies will lie to you while you're making mistakes. Your friends will warn you when you're about to make a mistake.
Roaches BTFO
Roaches seethe and Roaches cope,
Roaches run to grab the rope,
Turkshit fails and Turkshit blows,
Its inferior it shows
You can have more than one factory
Stop buying turkshit and buy a Beneli or a Berreta or something made by a reputable brand
Explain how a shotgun that's made by the same parent company that makes the M4 and 1301 is a "turkshit" shotgun.
By that logic, both the M4 and 1301 themselves are turkshit.
The M4 and 1301 are made by reputable brands
Stoeger = bad
Stoeger is OWNED by the companies that make the M4 and 1301. They produce them in the same factories, with the same QC inspectors.
Made in the Italian factory = good
Made in the Turkish factory = bad
Turks are literally subhuman and completely incapable of manufacturing
>we just bought this company and sell their products, but we don't need to do any kind of oversight to make sure our investment was a good idea
Like I said, genuine moronation.
An investment is a good idea if it turns a profit. Idiots like you make selling garbage guns under anything name profitable. The only thing shared between Stoeger and the Italian brands is who cashes the checks. Its not the same factories and not the same QC.
If a company isn't making a quality product, why would another company want to buy them and sell that same product? If they just wanted to get rid of the competition, they could have bought the company and dissolved it.
Because idiots will spend money on cheap crap. Non-quality products are still profitable to sell. In fact, they can be more profitable since Turkshit morons will have to buy several shotguns as they break when someone who just buys a Benelli the first time will have it last their entire life. By selling faulty shotguns the parent company gets to scam people out of money several times.
>crap
>faulty
>garbage
If you say so
>Your turkshit garbage isn’t “competition” to Benelli and Beretta
It's not competing with either of them since Beretta owns Benelli and Stoeger, you fricking inbred.
>It's not competing with either of them
Of course not. No one who can afford a Benelli or Beretta would ever under any circumstances buy one. Only poorgays do. Hence you and your inferiority complex; get over it, you ARE inferior.
>Stoeger can't compete with Benelli or Beretta
>Why would it need to when Beretta owns them?
>Well, uh...y-you're just poor!
I accept your concession.
>nutnfancy
It's really nice of you to help out the mentally disabled by linking their content here.
Correct. They only care if the company is profitable. If Stoeger made quality shotguns, they'd sell them as Benellis or Berettas. They sell them as Stoeger's as not to tarnish the Benelli or Beretta name with potmetal crap.
>can't actually refute the review of the shotgun
lol
lmao
>Buys shotgun
>Shoots 200shells
>HEY IT WORKS!
Much as I love Nutnfancy, reviewers that test firearms aren't owners that will use their stuff for years and years. If you never use your Stoeger, of course it'll work... for a while. Listen to what owners are saying, you're not looking to RENT a Stoeger, you're looking to OWN a Stoeger.
What exactly do you want these people to do? Shoot 5,000 rounds straight without cleaning it? Hardly anyone is going to do that, and lots of guns will fail just from getting dirty. Showing that a gun can handle a few hundred rounds before cleaning it is a fair test.
>hardly anyone shoots 5,000 rounds out of their shotgun without cleaning it
My Browning BPS easily had 3,000 rounds the first 4 years I owned it. If that was still the primary shotgun I shoot, it would have more than 5,000 rounds. I’m confident I could continue to shoot that thing until I’m an old man and die, then pass it on to my children/grandchildren.
I have sold every gun I owned that didn’t give me that feeling
And I clean every gun I shoot every time I shoot it and have had zero problems with any of them. Funny how that works.
My brother in Christ. Cleaning doesn’t prevent parts breakages due to poor manufacturing. Cleaning doesn’t fix QC.
Honestly a gun should still function if it isn’t strenuously cleaned every single range trip. The Benelli M4, Berreta 1301 and other quality shotguns will run for thousands of rounds without cleaning.
The problem is, turkshit isn’t failing because it’s getting dirty and gummed up.
It fails because shit straight up breaks. Extractors snapping, boltheads shearing, parts bending, and so on. And on top of that, getting spare parts is like pulling teeth.
see
> getting spare parts is like pulling teeth.
Read turkroach read.
And besides that, even if the company doesn’t completely blow you off because they already got your money, the very best you can hope for is a complete replacement. That is, they replace your non-working low quality poorly QC’d shotgun with another low quality poorly QC’d shotgun. More likely, they’ll just send your gun back to you with a “works fine. No defect here. Skill issue” note and call it a day.
So return it? You are keeping the receipt, aren't you?
Return the broken shotgun to the gun store? Most will tell you to contact the warranty department, they already sold you the gun and it’s not their problem. You don’t buy straight from the manufacturer you fricking moron
Post guns
Oh let me call the warranty department after it broke during a self defense situation, on a hunt, at a class/training, or when I wanted to go to the range
Post guns wiener sucker
>when I wanted to go to the range
Yes? Why wouldn't you use your warranty if that happened? As far as your other strawmen examples, if you aren't completely braindead, you'd take your gun to the range to shoot it and learn how it works and find out if there are any issues before putting it in a situation where you'll actually need it, and if there are then you use your warranty to get it fixed.
Oh. My range day has been fricking ruined since my fricking shotgun broke
Do you only bring one gun to the range? Sounds like a you problem.
Except, again, your warranty WON’T get it fixed. At best it’ll be replaced with another questionable example
But also, from TFB, those shotguns literally fail within 200 rounds. The chances of me testing the shotgun on the range (100 or so rounds) and then putting it away for defense, then the day comes I use it for defense and it fricking fails are pretty high
Post guns
Yes. I want them to do that so I don’t have to. Turkish shotguns have a reputation of failing within 500 rounds
>Showing that a gun can handle a few hundred rounds before cleaning it is a fair test.
>a few hundred
But turkish shotties can't handle that.
That TBFTV guy did an "endurance test" that wasn't even 200 rounds and they shat the bed in 50 rounds.
Most people
>hey, this pin is coming out and my stock feels wobbly
>I should probably stop shooting and figure out what's going on so I don't hurt myself or break the gun
TFB
>hey, this pin is coming out and my stock feels wobbly
>let's shoot another 100 rounds through it and then act surprised when it fails
I'd like TFB a lot more if they actually tried to diagnose what went wrong with the gun mechanically rather than just going "well, it's Turkish so it's bad, what do you expect?"
> they actually tried to diagnose what went wrong
There’s zero point because you can’t fix it. And the problem is almost always “X part broke because it wasn’t properly made because lolTurkishQC”
>most people
Uhh. Most people are fricking mechanically illiterate and they’re the ones who bought a Turkish shotgun. They didn’t do any research before buying a gun. Like
, I’m sure the Stoeger M3000 is “fine” but he can’t trust it, I can’t trust it, the reputation is there.
The reason why people buy expensive guns is because they have a reputation of being reliable. He bought the Benelli M4 because it’s demonstrably the most reliable and rugged semiautomatic shotgun in the world. At least 25k rounds before a parts failure GUARANTEED by Benelli and US Military testing. It’s been tested time and time again and it doesn’t fail after 25k rounds. It is the only Semiautomatic shotgun to pass military trials, the Beretta 1301 hasn’t been tested since they don’t need to replace the Benelli and Beretta isn’t marketed towards the Military.
Except he did the opposite. He even took it to a gunsmith to try and fix it.
Once. One time.
And again, it’s entirely pointless when it can’t be fixed because there are no replacement parts
>turkshit shotgun shits the bed after 10 rounds
>gunsmith can't even unfrick it die to being made with potmetal and shit tolerances
>all other turkshit shotguns had the same issues
There's no reasoning with some people.
The true issue is that shit starts breaking down so soon. Doesn't matter if you put a hundred more rounds through it. For such a low roundcount, seeing it fall apart is nasty.
No anon, the truth is
most people:
>see all these dogshit turkroach shotguns shit the bed immediately when actually used
>never buy one
>never have problems
You on the other hand
>buy turkroach dogshit
>never shoot it
>cope verbally for hours on end
To sell to poor dumbasses like you who can’t afford the real thing. Are you seriously stupid enough to ask why brands known for making higher end duty guns would have a lower line in a different country to make cheaper guns? Your turkshit garbage isn’t “competition” to Benelli and Beretta, it’s an entirely different market segment.
The M4 does not use an inertial system. The 1301 does not use an inertial system.
That should answer your question. Also Stoeger is turkshit and you're a fricking moron.
>brooo the same brand owns it so it's the same!
They own Sako and Tikka too. Those aren't the same either. CZ owns Colt and Dan Wesson. None of those are the same things nor made in the same place.
So in your world, companies buy other companies with the intention to make money selling their products, but don't care at all about the quality of the products the companies they're buying are making?
yes. because Beretta's name and brand image is not associated with Stoeger. When a Stoeger fails, a stoeger fails.
Reminder. The M4 and 1301 do not use inertia systems. You're fricking moronic
>When a Stoeger fails, a stoeger fails.
And then Beretta, by extension, loses money. If they didn't have faith in the product, they wouldn't have bought the company that makes it. If they wanted the competition gone, they could have just bought the company and done nothing with it. If they didn't care about the company because it wasn't competition, then why buy it?
>And then Beretta, by extension, loses money.
No it doesn't. Someone bought turkshit which costs pennies to make and rakes hundreds in.
When a Stoeger fails Beretta MAKES money because the sucker who bought it has to buy another one
>what is a warranty
20 years shorter on Stoeger than on Benelli.
Because corporations don't give a frick about quality assurance or ethics if they can make a cheap quick buck off morons? Beretta isn't your friend and if they milk money off people by selling shitty cheapers guns they will because that's corporations and capitalism works poor tard.
>The M4 and 1301 do not use inertia systems
The inertia system is perfectly fine. It's the turks who can't even make it work.
It’s “fine” but piston operated is clearly the better system for reliability and longevity. Isn’t the advantage of an inertial system like the M2’s that the recoil profile tends to be a bit smoother because you don’t have the piston slapping sensation?
It’s basically the exact opposite after reading more into it. Although for extreme long term durability and recoil reduction for magnum loads gas is superior.
Wrong.
Beretta has Stoeger so they can produce cheap shit poor people can buy, and it will not hurt the brand name of Beretta or Benelli. Different products for different markets. Poorgays demand crap, and they will buy it whether Beretta sells it or not. So they might as well tap into that market.
It can't. Hence it not being gas operated. It is by default inferior.
>I accept your concession
I guess if you were capable of learning or understanding basic concepts you wouldn't be poor and angry about it, now would you? This is to be expected. Just remember, you're poor because you're stupid.
>angry
I'm not the one who keeps calling a gun bad or thinks that a 1301 with a Stoeger stamp makes it a bad gun.
IT IS NOT A 1301 YOU STUPID FRICK
You sound mad
Are you mad?
You're definetly a noguns
>thinks that a 1301 with a Stoeger stamp makes it a bad gun
I would love that if it existed, but it doesn't. The 1301 is a gas operated gun. The M3000 is not. It is an inferior inertial system. There's a reason nobody is here shilling the Benelli M2.
you dont have to sell a premium quality product to make money anon, and there are different sections of the market that demand different qualities. many, many food manufacturers make both high quality food and low quality slop because they want to have a market share in both areas, and it doesnt make the food - same with auto manufacturers, where youll find brands like bentley and bugatti - owned by volkswagen, who also produce the polo and passat. that doesnt mean that a polo or passat are the same quality or design as a premium bugatti or bentley, and your logic is fricking stupid
a warranty is a gamble lots of manufacturers make that most people wont cash in on them
>yeah, warranties exist, but most people don't use them so it doesn't matter
Sounds like a personal problem
Agree. My time is literally worth more than dealing with a warranty. So I buy guns where I will never have to even consider contacting the manufacturer.
its a well established principle lol, the fact you are le different and special really didnt need to be addressed
>GUYS!
>GUYS its BRAND NAME
>GUYS that means its GOOD
so in your world different factories operated by different people differently in different nations just don't exist, and Brand names are a
>MAGIC SPELL
that automatically imparts quality?
Other anons shit on turkshit brands specifically because of the factories that brand USES.
Them being bought by another, bigger brand with better factories elsewhere does NOT mean their shit MAGICALLY changes.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but you just perfectly described capitalism
You must be moronic to have not already picked up on this, we already understand they are all made in the same place by the same people
When it comes time to stamp the logo on it that is when it is determined to be good or bad
If I wrote “stoeger” on my 1301 with a paint pen then I would consider it to be a bad gun
>If I wrote “stoeger” on my 1301 with a paint pen then I would consider it to be a bad gun
Then you would be a moron. I'm really seeing a trend here.
>They produce them in the same factories, with the same QC inspectors.
Extremely false.
My 1301 does 40% more damage than my stoeger
I got a M3K recently passed 2k round counts. never been cleaned
No. The Benelli M4 and 1301 are not even fricking inertia you fricking moron. They’re gas operated. Fricking moron.
You can operate my gas anytime
Braaaaap
Inertia systems suck dipshit
From the reviews I've seen the m300 seems like a completely fine shotgun and the only reason people just dismiss it outright is because they see it's turkish and they just have a massive shitfit. Kinda like people who shit on canik without looking at a single god damn review and ignoring it's rise in popularity.
frick forgot to put in a zero
>canik
Just don't hold it in front of your face or body
>posts the image that no posters ever give any backstory on
You don't shoot guns whatsoever. You have none.
>says the noguns
Found it was some guy on reddit who made his own backplate out of scrap metal apparently. It just flew out and hit him in the chest. Also that image originates from a eceleb subreddit so you're a Black person just for even posting this image.
>it's another Turkshit buyer's sour grapes thread
Wonderful, I can only hope this 404'd some slavBlack person thread
(You)
I'm still upset about this. Could had a dumpster full of guns, but only found out about it after it happened
But then you would have had a dumpster of Turkish guns
Free guns are free guns
I have a leafspring sitting in my garage that's made of better steel than all of the above, doesn't mean I can load in a shell and make it go boom
> doesn't mean I can load in a shell and make it go boom
Then get off your ass and do something about that
I have been thinking about making a lowes special
The dumpster is made of better steel than the guns.
>Bud lite and Karbach are owned by the same parent company
>this means Bud Lite is just as good as Karbach
This is how moronic you sound right now OP
>Beneli M4
>Beretta 1301
>Inertia Operated
You are a pretty big dumb Black person OP. Not surprised you’d be a turkshit owner.
>3M is owned my americans
>most of their shit is made in china
See how this works?
Are there any known issues and problems with the m3000?
Yes, look into it’s country of origin. Glad I could help
okay, but is there any mechanical problems with it?
Yes, turks are subhuman apes that don't know how to build a good firearm. Hope this helps!
You're not helping at all and I don't think you have any firearms.
Here maybe this will help Mr. Karaboga
Black person tier response
>.T
Seethed so hard he posted twice!
You have no guns. Black person.
No, I do. And unlike you I have some self control and don't immediately buy whatever cheap turkshit is shoved in my face by the latest israelitetuber. I spend my money on firearms that actually work
>
All you have to do is tell me what's wrong with the gun mechanically. That's it.
It’s made in Turkey, by Turks.
Answer my question
You already bought it didn’t you?
No, I just want you to answer my question that you seemingly can't answer.
It's not the mechanism that is wrong, you ape. As turkish gun manufacturers have never actually created a gun in their life. The canick is a walther knockoff, their shotguns are either winchester or italian shotguns knockoffs.
The issue is they use chinese potmetal to make the guns, they half hassle every spec measurement, the concept of EF quality control is as foreign as a bar of soap to them.
Do you know nothing about Turkey?
are you going to keep going around the actual question or just keep saying turkey without telling me it's actual problems. I understand that it's turkish, I want to know what's wrong with it mechanically. If anything im assuming at this point you and the other guy who responded to me don't know anything about this scattergun besides it being turkish.
Yeah
That is literally all I need to know to formulate my opinion on the gun
your question was already answered by the anon that explained how the turks have terrible manufacturing abilities.
meaning they are lax and lazy.
how turkish of you to scuttle on by that like the roach you worship.
The question didn't get answered still because it was just a rehash of the same answer that keeps getting spouted. what is mechanically wrong with the M3000.
It’s made by Turks. Which means poor quality control because Turks are poor “people”
What do you want to do with it? Is this a home defense tool, hunting gun, trap shotgun?
I don't want it. I just want to know what breaks on it. AKA what's mechanically wrong with it.
It took one google search to find that the extractors are literally cast pot metal
Does it not worry you that a vital component like an extractor wouldn’t be good quality?
That's all I needed to hear. Thank you for actually answering my question.
Here’s the thing though, you don’t NEED to hear the answer to that. It’s a Turkish gun, it is bound to have some extremely shoddy manufacturing to get the price as low as possible. Shotguns are especially vulnerable to this because they can be manufactured out of iron pipes and still not explode. It doesn’t mean they’re worth buying, but Turks can at last slap something together that Cletus thinks looks just like a Benelli.
Thots on the ATI nomad? Ok now it's a cheap roach-blaster and the hand guards fall off, but do you think it's still worth it for $100?
No
it did. you just are literally too stupid to understand.
no one ever said the design was wrong.
we said the people BUILDING it and the FACTORIES that were building it were fricked.
I COULD spell it out further, but at this point its an experiment to see if you teeny, tiny, autistic mind can bridge the micron wide gap on your own.
Turkish = bad materials and workmanship. It might go through a box or two at the range, and then catastrophically fail on box number 3.
I wish turks and all their shills would fricking choke and die
I'd probably sooner take a Taurus than touch anything Turkish.
>same inertia system
neither the m4 nor 1301 are inertia
I own an M4 and was an intern at the Benelli factory where the M4 is made and they do not make any Beretta or Stoeger there, just Benellis and Franchis.
Maybe they make some Stoeger airgun in Italy?
I don't know about semis, but I stupidly bought a cheap turkish O/U at some point. Never shot it, sold it back. Never again. According to people, Caniks are decent tho. But funding islam is bad, so never again.
If there's *anything* the Turks might be able to build that has any chance of lasting, it would be a shotgun that's just a hinged tube.
Over my time working in the industry I have seen countless M3000 and M2000s come back with cycling issues. I am yet to see a benelli m2. Pic related is the bolt head from an M2000
>Bolt sheers on a shotgun
For frick sakes, is it pot metal?
Yes. They frick up even pump shotguns
How about ones made for other companies like the Stoegers or the Winchester sxp
Same shit
That's too bad. I held an SXP shadow and quite liked it.
I don't understand why people cope and throw up psychological defence mechanisms over this shit, why wouldn't you just sell your piece of shit turkgun and buy a Mossberg 500 or something? Why would you be emotionally invested in an objectively bad weapon and refuse to replace it with a good one
If they were able of critical thinking they wouldn't have bought a turkish gun in the first place.
I bought a garbage .22LR SCAR clone when I first got into guns, because I didn't know any better. It jammed on fricking everything and had a terrible trigger. I didn't try to convince myself and everybody else that there was nothing wrong with it, I just sold it and got a 10/22
Ironically for me, the first gun I bought was a stoeger m3000, and had some cycling issues that I just attributed to a break in period or something. When I bought it I had little firearms knowledge, but I started learning more about firearms. After my first uninformed purchase, I browsed forums and watched videos to learn about the gun I wanted before buying it. Bought a benelli m4 later because I had actually done research before buying a gun. Wasn't until I had both the m3000 and the m4 next to each other I saw the similarities between the two. I only use the m3000 for shooting trap or skeet now so I don't see a need to buy another shotgun since the m3000 should theoretically last longer shooting target loads. I know it's an inferior gun, but I'm moronic enough to have sentimental value toward it since it's the first gun I bought. If/when the m3000 breaks it will get posted with evidence of failure with the knowledge that is overwhelmingly shot target loads.
An additional note on my specific m3000 is that the front bead is crooked. Doesn't align with the top rib of the gun. Just enough to bother me slightly.
Shutup, roach.
Because it is turkshit
And here is a barrel extension from an M3000.
But who knows. Maybe yours will be fine, but don't pretend that they're the same thing.
The turkshit shotgun test is the ultimate
litmus test for whether a person is
capable of self-governing.
To save a few bucks more for a real shotgun is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the
correct, appropriate thing to do.
To save up money for a functioning shotgun is objectively right.
There are no situations other than dire
emergencies in which a person is not able to save up for something better. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to
abandon your pride and buy a turkish gun. Therefore the turkish shotgun presents itself as the apex example
of whether a person will do what is right without
being forced to do it. No one will punish you for
not buying a better and functioning shotgun, no one will fine
you or kill you for buying such a waste of chinesium.
You must save up for something better out of the
goodness of your own heart. You must save up just a few bucks more because it is the right thing to do.
Because it is correct.
A person who is unable to do this is no better than
an animal, an absolute savage who can only be
made to do what is right by threatening them with
a law and the force that stands behind it.
The turkshit shotgun is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.
I'm gonna buy an m4, just because of you, OP. And I'll lord it over all the turkshit forever.
buying anything that isnt a Remington or Mossberg is tweekerville
both inferior to GODchester
dude its just a pipe that goes BOOM! THey all do the same thing!
Yeah I don't know mate. I'm considering selling my picrel 1300s and buy a single 590a1 that will last forever. Plus, almost 0 aftermarket and spare parts in my country.
>590a1
Just get a 590, the heavy barrel on the A1 is completely unnecessary bulk.
>almost 0 aftermarket and spare parts in my country
Compared to a Remington or Mossberg, there's barely any aftermarket in any country
>aftermarket
>pump shotgun
Velcro on reciever, universal light mount, sling, done.
>Plastic trigger guard tends to crack
Literally the only person I've ever heard say this has been IV8888, and he didn't show a cracked one.
It cracked on the military trials, hence the change. It's still a non issue that 99.999999% of owners will never face.
yeah my $1300 benelli is tweeker but your maverick 88 isn't. begone, peasant
>made in turkey with euro/american QC: borderline acceptable
>made in turkey with turkish QC: turkshit
The thing is that they are all made with turk qc.
It's just that afterward the best ones that can pass CIP proofing to to the european market, little issues emerge due to smaller userbase and so shit like armsan gets a passable reputation in the US and anything that's not the best gets sent to the US market where it can't last 100 rounds.
Then theres the shit even turk qc sorts out and gets sold in third worls countries like turkey, india, etc where it explodes in 1 round.
What's the fanciest coolest shotgun I can buy in US?
Budget ~$100k
6 Benelli M4s attached to a rotary drill
You could probably get a Holland & Holland with that kind of money.
https://www.westleyrichards.com/new-guns/guns/hand-detachable-lock-rifle/
Oops, meant this:
https://www.westleyrichards.com/new-guns/guns/hand-detachable-lock-shotguns/
is this a vape?
No. Looks like a handle for a multi-piece cleaning rod.
>Stoeger is owned by Benelli
>Benelli is owned by Beretta
>but Beretta is owned by Stoeger
Huh????
>The M3000 is made in the same factories as the M4 and 1301
That's not true
Anybody here have any experiences with the RIA/Armscor shotguns?
Its mostly rebranded turkshit now. Ria used to have a flip hi standard knockoff but most of the current stuff is turkshit.
The shotguns are nah just buy a mav tier
>The M3000 is made in the same factories as the M4 and 1301 and uses the same inertia system
The M4 and 1301 are gas operated, not inertia. Go back.