If you sell a house but don't have permits on the kitchen remodel you did, what happens?
I have my suspicions as to what might happen in this completely hypothetical scenario.
in my area-- Nothing.
When you buy a house, how do you go about checking to make sure that every single thing that is in the house was installed to code and was permitted??? That's not how this really works.
And when you pull permits (again, at least in my area) the description of the work to be performed is often just a few words such as "bathroom completely remodeled".... A description like that doesn't tell you if you took it down to the studs, added new wiring, new shower pan etc etc etc
Maybe other places are more rigorous about their inspection and recordkeeping process
The "permits" usually don't matter. When you sell a house the buyer hires an inspector to snoop around. They write up a big report with all the stupid irrelevant shit you didn't do to your remodel. Then the home insurance company can choose to not cover that part of your house or the buyer can back out. I still have my report from when I bought my house and I remember thinking "god damn it" when I saw how many pages it was. But it was all stuff like "framing nails instead of lag bolts over here" and "not enough staples holding the wires over there." Long story short the building code industry is a pointless jobs program for gays and liberals.
I'd be less turbomad over "code" if you could count on the so called "licensed" trades to follow it. At my current house I remodeled one of the bathrooms (no permits because frick you, it's just repairs of existing stuff. Even if it weren't, frick you.) Nothing I've redone was done to code, and I can trace all of the work to old permits that were pulled by licensed electricians and plumbers, and that passed inspection. I used to see permits as necessary until I started doing my own work and saw what these frickwits do.
IDC when my house sells I will be either too old or dead.
on the disclosure you just say the work was done by a prior resident.
I had a roof estimate done and found out part of my roof was not built to code when the house was built yet somehow passed inspection.
The women are pointing and laughing at the poorgay who cant afford a $50 permit.
Tell her how you also waffle stomp instead of buying toilet paper, and how you ride the bus to the grocery because you cant afford a car too.
All that money you are saving can go directly to buying her something nice and luxurious, like a netflix account.
Here in the US remodeling might push it into updated codes(for a kitchen GFCI's within a certain distance from a water source, independent circuit for the fridge and maybe dishwasher, upgrade all 15 amp circuits to 20 amps, all circuits must be grounded) that may have not been required when the house was built. If you're just swapping cabinets, floor coverings, faucets, etc then you're fine almost always.
That's basically what the permit is for on that kind of stuff. Tells the municipality that you're doing work that's going to need an inspection, and usually the permit fees are essentially payment for the inspections. If you don't call for the inspection after a certain time frame (usually about half a year), they start calling you asking if the work has begun/is done.
Also gives them a chance to tell you that your intended design doesn't meet code before you go and spend thousands of dollars on new cabinets or what have you only to fail inspection because your design doesn't meet code.
Again, how is anyone supposed to know or prove that any electrical work was done in your house?
I seriously doubt you have records of detailing the installation & repair of every wire, socket, switch, and light all the way back to the house's construction.
I've seen some pathetic work done by licensed electricians; usually the ones with "unbeatable" rates. I've also seen homeowner work that's top tier. They probably spent a lot of time researching how to do it correctly, and took pride in their work.
here in Germany the grid company says work has to be done by a licensed electrician. (licensed by them) you cant get licensed without a company. etc...
so even when your industrial electrician and wire 1MW motors at work your not allowed to ad a socket to a residential house. (company is hooked up to 110kV grid so it is its own "grid operator")
but do they know? no. only if you build a new house and they come to connect the meter they demand a form from the electrician.
most electricians will not hand you out any records for their work. the test records are kept by the electrician and stored, so he can prove in a court case in 50 years that his work was done according to code. and someone did changes afterwards.
60€ a year for 600m2
the rate was set somewhere in the 50s.
the neighbors that took a state owned loan (really low interest rate) to modernize their houses all got high rates because the state wants to see permits for the work and now considers the houses as modernized. kek.
Got a call from a guy who bought a property we did work for about 8 years ago. Turns out bringing in truckloads of dirt when you're in the floodplain gets noticed.
Where I live, building permits are only required for whites. If you complain about a Mexican favela, code enforcement will falsify a report for an inspection that never took place, stating there are no violations. If you continue to complain, they will falsify a report on your property, alleging violations that do not exist, then harass you until you bribe them.
Either your white and hate your own race or you are just another poor brown with a bruised ego.
Non whites the globe over seethe hard over any and everything European related. They will obviously make scathing remarks equal to and worse, in private and public without remorse or repercussion.
So basically go frick yourself.
honestly this
i dont deal with subhuman animals in my area of the world, and im thankful every day for that
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Anonymous
Where I live it's now just brown people everywhere. Shitskins, spics, mutts. Sucks ass. >b-but they work harder than you!!!!
They may do "hard" work, but they don't do good work.
Evidently all the replies to you are either shitskins themselves or live in majority White areas. I know exactly what you're describing.
t. city administrator whose having litter/pollution reports on a monumental scale since brown hoards started arriving
Evidently all the replies to you are either shitskins themselves or live in majority White areas. I know exactly what you're describing.
t. city administrator whose having litter/pollution reports on a monumental scale since brown hoards started arriving
Same gayging this hard. It’s like you’ve never seen white trash do anything brown people do.
Out of all of them the US it’s easiest to have guns in your hands. As long as you’re not a felon, even then you can still get guns. Considering this, why are the rates for the white countries almost as high as US Hispanic?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Finns are notoriously more violent due to genetic predisposition. Austria and France have large non-white populations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Could be the sample size and where exactly this information is aggregated from. National level or locality. Basically, also this
Finns are notoriously more violent due to genetic predisposition. Austria and France have large non-white populations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that pic seems like bullshit tho... if out of the 47 million blacks in the usa, 37% are currently incarcerated-- that would be over 17 million blacks currently incarcerated...
But according to all the statistics I can find online there's only less than 3 million americans in total in county, state and federal jails and prisons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, it claims 37% of 54%, so that's more like 8 million. Which is obviously false, as that's 4x the total incarcerated population.
However, 33% of black men are convicted felons, which is likely the statistic that is being inaccurately conveyed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Probably because the other countries are counting their aggregate populations, eg their other high crime groups
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is likely the reason. However, I'm sure if those countries were to separate the black and Muslim populations from their white populations like the U.S. does, the results would be similar.
Seething shitskins in your replies. I'm a white man living in socal and can absolutely confirm what you say about browns. Why are they so naturally corrupt?
Posting to confirm. They are occasionally capable of low-level societies but there will be rampant corruption, littering, crime, questionable infrastructure, and inconsistent at best government services.
I'm upset about the unequal application of the law and the corruption of state institutions.
Anyway, I solved my problem by harassing those bean Black folk until they sold the house and moved. Took them two years to find a buyer, too, because I kept harassing the prospects to make sure he had to sell it at a discount.
>Anyway, I solved my problem by harassing those bean Black folk until they sold the house and moved. Took them two years to find a buyer, too, because I kept harassing the prospects to make sure he had to sell it at a discount
Lucky for you he was a frick, if he was a real Aztec warrior you and your entire family would be brutally decapitated and your will would state that all your property would be left to him and his family.
I'm in the SF bay area and this is 100% true. I've seen my mexican neighbors get away with extending the garage over the driveway and converting the whole thing into an airbnb rental. That whole annex doesn't even have a window. Idk how many people, children and animals I've seen entering that house.
In my area it's always gradual. You drive by one day and they're building a 200 square foot porch. A few months later it's got walls on three sides, but still passes as an enclosed porch. Then, one day, there's fourth wall with a screen door. The final state is an exterior door gets put up and suddenly there's 10 more people living there.
If you alter anything that requires a permit without getting a permit it puts you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell.
If you build anything on your property that requires a permit without getting a permit, you can be forced to tear it down and/or be fined.
You might live in an incorporated area or your county has fairly loose enforcement but it doesn't change the fact that at some time it likely come back to bite you in the ass.
>If you alter anything that requires a permit without getting a permit it puts you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell.
Go ahead and explain how changing a ceiling fan with lights to a simple light fixture without getting a permit is going to put you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell?
Or how replacing your shingle roof without the permit will put you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell?
You might have a point with entire additions to the house or something, but it's not like they record the serial numbers from each shingle on your roof.
You can basically tear out the entire inside of the house and replace it and as long as your work is to code literally noone, not the insurance company, not the potential buyers inspector, is going to say shit.
Sometimes they will go back and deny warranty claims or insurance claims if you didn’t pull permits for a roof. Roofing permits suck too as there is no conceivable reason why new shingles need a whole new permit other than greed on the part of city inspectors. People doubling or tripling shingles is a problem but demo work? Really?
>implying an inspector is going to climb a ladder to look at anything
I had to get an electrician to hook up our new heat pump. The primary connection is in the attic crawlspace. The inspector came around and looked the connection at the condenser but couldn't be bothered to go look at any of the real work. Not that someone of his girth could have made it through the crawlspace entrance, or made it to the unit without overloading my trusses.
The women are pointing and laughing at the poorgay who cant afford a $50 permit.
Tell her how you also waffle stomp instead of buying toilet paper, and how you ride the bus to the grocery because you cant afford a car too.
All that money you are saving can go directly to buying her something nice and luxurious, like a netflix account.
>80 year old stone porch caves in >pull everything out and install wooden porch >code enforcement happens to drives by >oi you got a poimet for that? >no >tells me to go to city hall and get a permit and if I don't have it by 5pm he's fining me. >go in expecting to pay $50 >takes 2 hours and costs almost $300 for everything >porch is already finished aside from sealer >call inspector to come out, gets pissed because it requires a rough inspection and tells me to take all the sides off the porch, won't wait around for me to do it. >do it, call him back, won't wait for me to put the sides back on >put the sides back on, call him back again >approves it, gotta go back to the city to close the permit >get charged $150(plus tip) for every time he came out >paid the city over $750 to put in a porch that cost me less than $1000 in materials
Couldnt you just say "im repairing/replacing a failed construction with something functionally equivalent"? If there was a porch there before, you cant just leave it caved in.
Cities are bad. Don't live in them. I escaped a very nice suburb to live in da c**try where I've no auto inspections and can shoot in my back yard as do my Caucasian neighbors.
This is what happens when you overregulate people, especially white people. It's just a racket to siphon off more wealth that the state can then give to brown hordes who don't follow the coding regulations anyway.
That isn't even the 1st step you fricking moron, it's like step 5ish after getting a plan, 10 different revisions, financing, contracts signed, aquire the land, city approved proposals and then maybe get some permits.
>Live in rural shithole >People just do whatever they want >Get deer in headlight looks when I ask about permits or codes
I built my barndominium with zero oversight. I did have to get a septic permit and have that signed off on before I was allowed to hook into public water. Apparently that waste is being handled properly is the only thing oklahoma is terribly concerned about for rural folk.
>Apparently that waste is being handled properly is the only thing oklahoma is terribly concerned about for rural folk.
Honestly, as it should be. The only thing the state should worry about on your land is if you're building something that is potentially hazardous to other people or the surrounding area at large. Everything else, they can frick right off. It's insane that people have to keep things to building codes and bribe the local municipality for something as simple as changing the shingles on a roof.
Just do what you want and make sure you can either cover it under normal repairs or cover it with sheetrock. Unless you're a complete moron, it's unlikely you can do work that is worse than what was done by the "licensed" original workers and approved by a city/county inspector. At least, that's what I've found. At my current place I found records that everything had been inspected, and there were the names of the subs who did all the work, and I was appalled that any of it had ever passed inspection.
>When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed.
I know this is a quote from rand fountain head but it's kinda fricking with me. my boss use to tell me that he knew just by looking at guys if they would fly or wouldn't and some really good employees got the shaft while some shit employees could get away with murder. the human error is real.
I know this is a quote from rand fountain head but it's kinda fricking with me. my boss use to tell me that he knew just by looking at guys if they would fly or wouldn't and some really good employees got the shaft while some shit employees could get away with murder. the human error is real.
this really an ayn rand quote? why do people shit on her constantly then? I see this shit daily at work, almost doesnt pay to even try sometimes.
I'd you haven't figured out that hard work gets you nowhere by age 25 you are never going to understand. Just get in good with the right people, that's it.
>tfw hard work is how you cope with shit personal life >can't even work hard most days because managers beyond brain dead
Why does society have to be this gay bros. I just want to work hard and go the frick home to sleep.
>"Please use safety gloves while doing this step! You could easily lose a finger!!"
Lollll sorry I'm not buying your ~~*safety gloves*~~ Mr. Shekelstein!
>buy land in middle of nowhere >building department requires a survey,topo,site map, and structural if not building 'stick'
doesn't seem too bad... until you realize no surveyor is willing to go out to the middle of nowhere for a small survey and topo.
I've offered closed to 8k for the job. about 1hr drive from a medium-large city. No one taking it because developers are probably paying out 100k+ for their sites.
>doesnt get a permit >does the job >customer doesnt pay >try to sue >lawyer says because no permit there is no proof that you did the work, and thus cant put a lien against that butthole you tried to save a few hundred bucks for
yeah i think ill just fill out a permit.
That is 100% not how it works, and this is a stupid take. That said, if you're doing this work commercially, you should be doing it to code and with permits unless you're a craigslist tier handyman or doing under the table work for friends.
Contractor here. I just finished new siding for a homeowner without pulling a permit. Do not ask me anything as the city can go frick itself if they expect me to pull a permit. Yes, we disposed of the trash and installed house wrap as the home didn’t have house wrap to begin with. House wrap wasn’t code when they installed the original siding.
>hes a siding guy
hey bud, what time did you get to the bar today? 1130am? noon? you don't need to pull a permit for anything any barely functional alcoholic handyman can do. this thread is for the real tradies.
>be me >live out in the sticks >put up 2 sheds, about the size of a small garage each >3 years later, septic tank collapses in on itself, requiring replacement >several people from county come out, one notices the sheds >anon, I don't see a permit for those sheds for this address >"they've always been there" >"oh...ok"
This is how you get around the permit menance
Just don't be an ass to the inspector, because nowadays they can just hit the historic aerials button on Google Earth and see that those sheds didn't exist five years ago. And some counties have aerial maps that are better quality and more frequent as well as older than that.
I just had to deal with a permit issue. I put a shed on my property (permit not needed because of size).
some butthole calls the city.
they come out, >anon you need a permit, and the shed is too close to this wall and your house.
FRICK!
girl from city calls the next day. >your house is 40% of lot size you need to request administrative relief to increase to 44% or tear down the shed.
FRICK!
somethings wrong. calculate house footprint to lot size (it's 29%) WTF.
notify girl. >oops sorry anon you're right, you just need a permit and move the shed.
FRICK!
research whats needed to get permit, & move shed.
only 1 company moves shed in at least 50 miles from me.
permits require plans for shed.
contact Tuff-shed *crickets* (buttholes).
call girl at city & ask that someone call me and tell me exactly what I need since the shed is already there.
another day goes by.
girl calls >permit department says no permit needed because 120 square feet (I knew this) or less, but you still need to move it.
FRICK!
try to contact the shed mover, they respond only through email and only once every day or two. they don't answer phone.
finally get response, takes 4 days to agree on a date, & time.
have to wait 3 weeks to move shed.
company moves shed 2 feet north, & 3.5 feet west.
city comes out and gives thumbs up.
here's why city ordinance is bullshit:
code enforcement guy walked past 2 other sheds I have right next to the house and too close to the same wall and doesn't say a word (also city limits number of sheds to 1 per lot).
ignores 2 neighbors sheds which are right up against the yard walls.
never says a word about 5-5 gallon gas cans citing by my house (they are empty but he does not know that).
he tells me that not only are some neighbors nosey buttholes but that there are people (not city workers)who have nothing better to do but drive around narcing on code violations, and some of them don't even live in this city.
basically he hints that they only enforce code when people narc.
forgot to mention it cost $650 to move shed.
also I checked google earth and there are at least 23 sheds in the surrounding 2 blocks from my house that are not in code compliance.
And I hope that eventually you will understand what that actually means. You can say you hate Joe Biden and sleep peacefully tonight. You can save your money and start a business. You can get an affordable education.
Yes, there are powerful people who use their money to try to get more money and sometimes you have to deal with that. Use your intelligence and your freedom and you might succeed.
Ok, sermon over. How exactly are you not free compared to anywhere else in the world? Because you can't build a sub-standard dwelling on land you own?
>basically he hints that they only enforce code when people narc.
This is pretty much true, and for obvious reasons. Code enforcement might have one or two inspectors for a town with 80,000 people. If 2% of the people pull permits that need inspections over the year, that's 4 inspections that need to be done daily, which includes all the paperwork, travel times, etc. that goes along with them. Add into this that a lot of time the inspectors are doing double-duty as plans examiners, and most building departments are badly overworked. This is bad and good, as it means they're unlikely to be able to do a thorough inspection of what's been built, but also means that they're unlikely to worry about smaller things and that you really have to give them a reason to give you a problem. At the same time, it means that if you DO give them a reason to give you a problem, they're more likely to take it out on you, as the only thing worse than a bored city official with too much time on his hands is one that has entirely too much stuff to worry about and doesn't have time for this shit.
I had a propane tanks installed in my yard (shed guy) the company that did the install got permits. the inspector came out, chatted me up because my unusual last name was the same as someone else he knew. he looked at the tanks, did not look at any of the pipes under the house, or in the kitchen. slapped the green sticker on the permit and left.
>the inspector came out, chatted me up... he looked at the tanks, did not look at any of the pipes under the house, or in the kitchen. slapped the green sticker on the permit and left.
you didn't give him shit so he didn't give you shit
as anon said
>basically he hints that they only enforce code when people narc.
This is pretty much true, and for obvious reasons. Code enforcement might have one or two inspectors for a town with 80,000 people. If 2% of the people pull permits that need inspections over the year, that's 4 inspections that need to be done daily, which includes all the paperwork, travel times, etc. that goes along with them. Add into this that a lot of time the inspectors are doing double-duty as plans examiners, and most building departments are badly overworked. This is bad and good, as it means they're unlikely to be able to do a thorough inspection of what's been built, but also means that they're unlikely to worry about smaller things and that you really have to give them a reason to give you a problem. At the same time, it means that if you DO give them a reason to give you a problem, they're more likely to take it out on you, as the only thing worse than a bored city official with too much time on his hands is one that has entirely too much stuff to worry about and doesn't have time for this shit.
>At the same time, it means that if you DO give them a reason to give you a problem, they're more likely to take it out on you
>he tells me that not only are some neighbors nosey buttholes but that there are people (not city workers)who have nothing better to do but drive around narcing on code violations,
peak boomer right here
>actually DIY-relevant thread on a topic that people should be interested in discussing >americans turn it into a race-bashing, politically polarized, myopic identity-politics shitshow
every fricking time
>bro race has no relevancy to politics... Just because OKAY?!?!?!
Yeah how about you try living in a town with half Mexicans who literally try to screw you at the grocery store, at the gas station, and anywhere else only for being white. See if that rolls over into building permits and other things.
The only people who aren't "racist" is white people. Everyone else is racist and hates(jealous) white people, they are just smart enough to say it around a campfire with beers and not on TV
>needing permission to do stuff on YOUR OWN PROPERTY
Frick that. I'll just shoot whatever homosexual shows up to complain. I've got nothing to lose anymore but whatever I do on my spot.
>Illegal aliens are destroying society
They wouldnt have to resort to crime if all unions were gone, and they could just work in harmony alongside everyone else
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unions only function well in homogeneous societies due to implicit in-group trust, which is why megacorporations like Amazon push so hard for diversity; you are less likely to trust people and organize with them if they don't look like you. White societies are (or were) the best because of this work ethic but were corrupted by israeli and Italian mob influence.
And it's cute you think I think "they have to resort to crime". They resort to crime because they are lower IQ and more impulsive than Whites and Asians. The real ~~*criminals*~~ are the ones who lobby . When I talk about cartels, I'm not talking about the Mexican ones. Those are small time compared to the ones I'm talking about who actually run society and create an environment for illegals to thrive in at the expense of productive people.
I for one hate the fact that people have to pay 5% DUES to a union to make 20% MORE than non union workers, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE UNION.
Those unions leverage the companies they work for, for more money and benefits, the unions leverage other companies to hire them.
Its just not fricking fair, did you every think about the Bossman and how he feels?
Did you ever think about that poor company who has to decide between union labor or illegal labor?
Unions charge money to apply, they GATEKEEP blacks and poors and illegal mexicans. They 100% hire white men and pay them MORE than blacks or mexicans they refuse to hire.
HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT SUCH THINGS?
How about evening the playing field for the illegals, for the blacks?
This is institutional racism and toxic masculinity at its FINEST.
#RightToWork
#LatinXLivesMatter
#ImmigrantStrong
Illegal aliens are destroying society BECAUSE a corrupt crime organization is running everything.
THIS THIS THIS
How do you expect an illegal immigrant to EVER make a living and send that paycheck back to Mexico if you wont hire them?
How can you ever expect an anchor baby to survive on his own if his father cant get work because companies only hire thug Union workers?
Its inhumane. Look in the fricking mirror and understand what you are doing to these poor people.
THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO WORK RIGHT ALONGSIDE WHITE MEN, TO BARGAIN THEIR OWN WAGES WITHOUT A UNION ARTIFICIALLY RAISING IT.
No insurance companies do. You always paying the price because a few morons cant connect two wires proper without letting 6 inches of exposed copper floating around. Or jamming 6 wires on the same breaker then wondering how the house wire happened when the replaced a fuse with a copper penny.
Let me sue the fabricator because my husband died installing this new installation and never mentioned you had to be a licensed electrician!!
If you sell a house but don't have permits on the kitchen remodel you did, what happens?
I have my suspicions as to what might happen in this completely hypothetical scenario.
in my area-- Nothing.
When you buy a house, how do you go about checking to make sure that every single thing that is in the house was installed to code and was permitted??? That's not how this really works.
And when you pull permits (again, at least in my area) the description of the work to be performed is often just a few words such as "bathroom completely remodeled".... A description like that doesn't tell you if you took it down to the studs, added new wiring, new shower pan etc etc etc
Maybe other places are more rigorous about their inspection and recordkeeping process
The "permits" usually don't matter. When you sell a house the buyer hires an inspector to snoop around. They write up a big report with all the stupid irrelevant shit you didn't do to your remodel. Then the home insurance company can choose to not cover that part of your house or the buyer can back out. I still have my report from when I bought my house and I remember thinking "god damn it" when I saw how many pages it was. But it was all stuff like "framing nails instead of lag bolts over here" and "not enough staples holding the wires over there." Long story short the building code industry is a pointless jobs program for gays and liberals.
it only seems that way because the only problems you're left to deal with are first world problems, you hyperventilating touchy piece of b***h
>You bloody bastard benchod
>framing nails instead of lag bolts over here
I'd be less turbomad over "code" if you could count on the so called "licensed" trades to follow it. At my current house I remodeled one of the bathrooms (no permits because frick you, it's just repairs of existing stuff. Even if it weren't, frick you.) Nothing I've redone was done to code, and I can trace all of the work to old permits that were pulled by licensed electricians and plumbers, and that passed inspection. I used to see permits as necessary until I started doing my own work and saw what these frickwits do.
IDC when my house sells I will be either too old or dead.
on the disclosure you just say the work was done by a prior resident.
I had a roof estimate done and found out part of my roof was not built to code when the house was built yet somehow passed inspection.
$200 - $500 here.
>kitchen remodel
permit?
even in Germany where everything is over regulated you can remodel the inside of your house like you want.
only need a permit if extending the house or doing structural changes, or its a house from 1400 which is heritage protected
Here in the US remodeling might push it into updated codes(for a kitchen GFCI's within a certain distance from a water source, independent circuit for the fridge and maybe dishwasher, upgrade all 15 amp circuits to 20 amps, all circuits must be grounded) that may have not been required when the house was built. If you're just swapping cabinets, floor coverings, faucets, etc then you're fine almost always.
Installation of a new gas appliance can trigger a permit in some jurisdictions.
...but why would that require a permit? Just have inspection, or a competent person (E.g. certified electrician) sign off on their work.
That's basically what the permit is for on that kind of stuff. Tells the municipality that you're doing work that's going to need an inspection, and usually the permit fees are essentially payment for the inspections. If you don't call for the inspection after a certain time frame (usually about half a year), they start calling you asking if the work has begun/is done.
Also gives them a chance to tell you that your intended design doesn't meet code before you go and spend thousands of dollars on new cabinets or what have you only to fail inspection because your design doesn't meet code.
moronic kraft doesn't realize electrical work is regulated
if you build a new house the grid company demands a licensed electricians to sign off a form before they install the meter.
but if the meter is already installed no one cares.
Again, how is anyone supposed to know or prove that any electrical work was done in your house?
I seriously doubt you have records of detailing the installation & repair of every wire, socket, switch, and light all the way back to the house's construction.
I've seen some pathetic work done by licensed electricians; usually the ones with "unbeatable" rates. I've also seen homeowner work that's top tier. They probably spent a lot of time researching how to do it correctly, and took pride in their work.
here in Germany the grid company says work has to be done by a licensed electrician. (licensed by them) you cant get licensed without a company. etc...
so even when your industrial electrician and wire 1MW motors at work your not allowed to ad a socket to a residential house. (company is hooked up to 110kV grid so it is its own "grid operator")
but do they know? no. only if you build a new house and they come to connect the meter they demand a form from the electrician.
most electricians will not hand you out any records for their work. the test records are kept by the electrician and stored, so he can prove in a court case in 50 years that his work was done according to code. and someone did changes afterwards.
What's your property tax rate?
60€ a year for 600m2
the rate was set somewhere in the 50s.
the neighbors that took a state owned loan (really low interest rate) to modernize their houses all got high rates because the state wants to see permits for the work and now considers the houses as modernized. kek.
what remodel? Kitchen always looked like that
Absolutely nothing.
What gets people caught is them snitching on themselves by trying to get one.
Got a call from a guy who bought a property we did work for about 8 years ago. Turns out bringing in truckloads of dirt when you're in the floodplain gets noticed.
In my state you have to report that you didn't get a permit on the seller's disclosure. Whether the purchaser cares is up to them.
step one, buy very secluded land.
>>>Step two, don't get a permit, build it yourself, and stfu about the build.
Where I live, building permits are only required for whites. If you complain about a Mexican favela, code enforcement will falsify a report for an inspection that never took place, stating there are no violations. If you continue to complain, they will falsify a report on your property, alleging violations that do not exist, then harass you until you bribe them.
Might as well be Mexico.
>If you continue to complain, they will falsify a report on your property
Holy based
>people building sketchy 3rd world shacks is based
Anon kys
This board is anonymous so where do you live?
Doesn't matter. That's true anywhere orange. Brown people are incompatible with civilization.
I bet all the women in your family have zero respect for you. How can they see and hear this side of you and not think you’re a beta male?
Either your white and hate your own race or you are just another poor brown with a bruised ego.
Non whites the globe over seethe hard over any and everything European related. They will obviously make scathing remarks equal to and worse, in private and public without remorse or repercussion.
So basically go frick yourself.
honestly this
i dont deal with subhuman animals in my area of the world, and im thankful every day for that
Where I live it's now just brown people everywhere. Shitskins, spics, mutts. Sucks ass.
>b-but they work harder than you!!!!
They may do "hard" work, but they don't do good work.
Evidently all the replies to you are either shitskins themselves or live in majority White areas. I know exactly what you're describing.
t. city administrator whose having litter/pollution reports on a monumental scale since brown hoards started arriving
Same gayging this hard. It’s like you’ve never seen white trash do anything brown people do.
Huh? I'm sorry White people don't want to live around you, shitskin.
Out of all of them the US it’s easiest to have guns in your hands. As long as you’re not a felon, even then you can still get guns. Considering this, why are the rates for the white countries almost as high as US Hispanic?
Finns are notoriously more violent due to genetic predisposition. Austria and France have large non-white populations.
Could be the sample size and where exactly this information is aggregated from. National level or locality. Basically, also this
that pic seems like bullshit tho... if out of the 47 million blacks in the usa, 37% are currently incarcerated-- that would be over 17 million blacks currently incarcerated...
But according to all the statistics I can find online there's only less than 3 million americans in total in county, state and federal jails and prisons.
Well, it claims 37% of 54%, so that's more like 8 million. Which is obviously false, as that's 4x the total incarcerated population.
However, 33% of black men are convicted felons, which is likely the statistic that is being inaccurately conveyed.
Probably because the other countries are counting their aggregate populations, eg their other high crime groups
This is likely the reason. However, I'm sure if those countries were to separate the black and Muslim populations from their white populations like the U.S. does, the results would be similar.
What an argument. I wouldn't want to live next to white trash, either.
Seething shitskins in your replies. I'm a white man living in socal and can absolutely confirm what you say about browns. Why are they so naturally corrupt?
>corrupt
I was once told this: "The darker they are, the easier it is to bribe them"
>why are they like this
Genetic predisposition
Another whitie here confirming. The shitskins never listen, it's why their countries are shitholes and why the West is in rapid decline.
I fricking hate groups of brown “people” so much dude it’s unreal. Love from Midwest
Posting to confirm. They are occasionally capable of low-level societies but there will be rampant corruption, littering, crime, questionable infrastructure, and inconsistent at best government services.
sounds like california or colorado grade shit. my buddy has tons of stories about mexicans in colorado.
>complain about men exercising their God-given right to build whatever they need
>no one cares
>get buttmad about it
do gringos really
I'm upset about the unequal application of the law and the corruption of state institutions.
Anyway, I solved my problem by harassing those bean Black folk until they sold the house and moved. Took them two years to find a buyer, too, because I kept harassing the prospects to make sure he had to sell it at a discount.
>Anyway, I solved my problem by harassing those bean Black folk until they sold the house and moved. Took them two years to find a buyer, too, because I kept harassing the prospects to make sure he had to sell it at a discount
Lucky for you he was a frick, if he was a real Aztec warrior you and your entire family would be brutally decapitated and your will would state that all your property would be left to him and his family.
>Lucky for you he was a frick,
Cuck*
If he hadn't been a pushover, I'd have hung him from a tree to start with.
Wow we got a tough guy here. fatfedoraman.jpg
Objectively tougher than the Hispanic he bullied into submission. Cope, Paco.
cool story bro, please tell us more about your heroic efforts to save merica from them invaders
I'm in the SF bay area and this is 100% true. I've seen my mexican neighbors get away with extending the garage over the driveway and converting the whole thing into an airbnb rental. That whole annex doesn't even have a window. Idk how many people, children and animals I've seen entering that house.
In my area it's always gradual. You drive by one day and they're building a 200 square foot porch. A few months later it's got walls on three sides, but still passes as an enclosed porch. Then, one day, there's fourth wall with a screen door. The final state is an exterior door gets put up and suddenly there's 10 more people living there.
If you alter anything that requires a permit without getting a permit it puts you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell.
If you build anything on your property that requires a permit without getting a permit, you can be forced to tear it down and/or be fined.
You might live in an incorporated area or your county has fairly loose enforcement but it doesn't change the fact that at some time it likely come back to bite you in the ass.
>If you alter anything that requires a permit without getting a permit it puts you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell.
Go ahead and explain how changing a ceiling fan with lights to a simple light fixture without getting a permit is going to put you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell?
Or how replacing your shingle roof without the permit will put you in a really bad situation if you ever want to sell?
You might have a point with entire additions to the house or something, but it's not like they record the serial numbers from each shingle on your roof.
You can basically tear out the entire inside of the house and replace it and as long as your work is to code literally noone, not the insurance company, not the potential buyers inspector, is going to say shit.
Sometimes they will go back and deny warranty claims or insurance claims if you didn’t pull permits for a roof. Roofing permits suck too as there is no conceivable reason why new shingles need a whole new permit other than greed on the part of city inspectors. People doubling or tripling shingles is a problem but demo work? Really?
>implying an inspector is going to climb a ladder to look at anything
I had to get an electrician to hook up our new heat pump. The primary connection is in the attic crawlspace. The inspector came around and looked the connection at the condenser but couldn't be bothered to go look at any of the real work. Not that someone of his girth could have made it through the crawlspace entrance, or made it to the unit without overloading my trusses.
we bought a house several months ago. it was purchased by an investor and sold to use.
on the disclosure everything read "unknown"
The women are pointing and laughing at the poorgay who cant afford a $50 permit.
Tell her how you also waffle stomp instead of buying toilet paper, and how you ride the bus to the grocery because you cant afford a car too.
All that money you are saving can go directly to buying her something nice and luxurious, like a netflix account.
Did you really have to take a swipe at waffle stomping? Frick you
typically 10% of total cost here. 10k for a new roof? guess you owe the town 1k for the privilege
>80 year old stone porch caves in
>pull everything out and install wooden porch
>code enforcement happens to drives by
>oi you got a poimet for that?
>no
>tells me to go to city hall and get a permit and if I don't have it by 5pm he's fining me.
>go in expecting to pay $50
>takes 2 hours and costs almost $300 for everything
>porch is already finished aside from sealer
>call inspector to come out, gets pissed because it requires a rough inspection and tells me to take all the sides off the porch, won't wait around for me to do it.
>do it, call him back, won't wait for me to put the sides back on
>put the sides back on, call him back again
>approves it, gotta go back to the city to close the permit
>get charged $150(plus tip) for every time he came out
>paid the city over $750 to put in a porch that cost me less than $1000 in materials
You should retaliate with violence.
Couldnt you just say "im repairing/replacing a failed construction with something functionally equivalent"? If there was a porch there before, you cant just leave it caved in.
Cities are bad. Don't live in them. I escaped a very nice suburb to live in da c**try where I've no auto inspections and can shoot in my back yard as do my Caucasian neighbors.
The purpose of cities is grift.
>acts like he was raised in a barn
>wE LiVe iN a soCiETy
This is what happens when you overregulate people, especially white people. It's just a racket to siphon off more wealth that the state can then give to brown hordes who don't follow the coding regulations anyway.
That isn't even the 1st step you fricking moron, it's like step 5ish after getting a plan, 10 different revisions, financing, contracts signed, aquire the land, city approved proposals and then maybe get some permits.
Jesus christ dude, I'm building a garage, not a downtown skyscraper.
>Live in rural shithole
>People just do whatever they want
>Get deer in headlight looks when I ask about permits or codes
I built my barndominium with zero oversight. I did have to get a septic permit and have that signed off on before I was allowed to hook into public water. Apparently that waste is being handled properly is the only thing oklahoma is terribly concerned about for rural folk.
>Apparently that waste is being handled properly is the only thing oklahoma is terribly concerned about for rural folk.
Honestly, as it should be. The only thing the state should worry about on your land is if you're building something that is potentially hazardous to other people or the surrounding area at large. Everything else, they can frick right off. It's insane that people have to keep things to building codes and bribe the local municipality for something as simple as changing the shingles on a roof.
Just do what you want and make sure you can either cover it under normal repairs or cover it with sheetrock. Unless you're a complete moron, it's unlikely you can do work that is worse than what was done by the "licensed" original workers and approved by a city/county inspector. At least, that's what I've found. At my current place I found records that everything had been inspected, and there were the names of the subs who did all the work, and I was appalled that any of it had ever passed inspection.
why is the most attractive bawd I've ever seen randomly appearing in PrepHole of all fricking places
>inb4 that's a man
They're basic and you're desperate. Becum the gurl and you'll be loved, especially on /b/
>you'll be loved, especially on /b/
is that supposed to be a good thing?
>When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed.
I know this is a quote from rand fountain head but it's kinda fricking with me. my boss use to tell me that he knew just by looking at guys if they would fly or wouldn't and some really good employees got the shaft while some shit employees could get away with murder. the human error is real.
this really an ayn rand quote? why do people shit on her constantly then? I see this shit daily at work, almost doesnt pay to even try sometimes.
I'd you haven't figured out that hard work gets you nowhere by age 25 you are never going to understand. Just get in good with the right people, that's it.
>tfw hard work is how you cope with shit personal life
>can't even work hard most days because managers beyond brain dead
Why does society have to be this gay bros. I just want to work hard and go the frick home to sleep.
>"Please use safety gloves while doing this step! You could easily lose a finger!!"
Lollll sorry I'm not buying your ~~*safety gloves*~~ Mr. Shekelstein!
>buy land in middle of nowhere
>building department requires a survey,topo,site map, and structural if not building 'stick'
doesn't seem too bad... until you realize no surveyor is willing to go out to the middle of nowhere for a small survey and topo.
I've offered closed to 8k for the job. about 1hr drive from a medium-large city. No one taking it because developers are probably paying out 100k+ for their sites.
>doesnt get a permit
>does the job
>customer doesnt pay
>try to sue
>lawyer says because no permit there is no proof that you did the work, and thus cant put a lien against that butthole you tried to save a few hundred bucks for
yeah i think ill just fill out a permit.
That is 100% not how it works, and this is a stupid take. That said, if you're doing this work commercially, you should be doing it to code and with permits unless you're a craigslist tier handyman or doing under the table work for friends.
Contractor here. I just finished new siding for a homeowner without pulling a permit. Do not ask me anything as the city can go frick itself if they expect me to pull a permit. Yes, we disposed of the trash and installed house wrap as the home didn’t have house wrap to begin with. House wrap wasn’t code when they installed the original siding.
>hes a siding guy
hey bud, what time did you get to the bar today? 1130am? noon? you don't need to pull a permit for anything any barely functional alcoholic handyman can do. this thread is for the real tradies.
>bud
>real tradies
>hey bud
>be me
>live out in the sticks
>put up 2 sheds, about the size of a small garage each
>3 years later, septic tank collapses in on itself, requiring replacement
>several people from county come out, one notices the sheds
>anon, I don't see a permit for those sheds for this address
>"they've always been there"
>"oh...ok"
This is how you get around the permit menance
Just don't be an ass to the inspector, because nowadays they can just hit the historic aerials button on Google Earth and see that those sheds didn't exist five years ago. And some counties have aerial maps that are better quality and more frequent as well as older than that.
I just had to deal with a permit issue. I put a shed on my property (permit not needed because of size).
some butthole calls the city.
they come out,
>anon you need a permit, and the shed is too close to this wall and your house.
FRICK!
girl from city calls the next day.
>your house is 40% of lot size you need to request administrative relief to increase to 44% or tear down the shed.
FRICK!
somethings wrong. calculate house footprint to lot size (it's 29%) WTF.
notify girl.
>oops sorry anon you're right, you just need a permit and move the shed.
FRICK!
research whats needed to get permit, & move shed.
only 1 company moves shed in at least 50 miles from me.
permits require plans for shed.
contact Tuff-shed *crickets* (buttholes).
call girl at city & ask that someone call me and tell me exactly what I need since the shed is already there.
another day goes by.
girl calls
>permit department says no permit needed because 120 square feet (I knew this) or less, but you still need to move it.
FRICK!
try to contact the shed mover, they respond only through email and only once every day or two. they don't answer phone.
finally get response, takes 4 days to agree on a date, & time.
have to wait 3 weeks to move shed.
company moves shed 2 feet north, & 3.5 feet west.
city comes out and gives thumbs up.
here's why city ordinance is bullshit:
code enforcement guy walked past 2 other sheds I have right next to the house and too close to the same wall and doesn't say a word (also city limits number of sheds to 1 per lot).
ignores 2 neighbors sheds which are right up against the yard walls.
never says a word about 5-5 gallon gas cans citing by my house (they are empty but he does not know that).
he tells me that not only are some neighbors nosey buttholes but that there are people (not city workers)who have nothing better to do but drive around narcing on code violations, and some of them don't even live in this city.
basically he hints that they only enforce code when people narc.
forgot to mention it cost $650 to move shed.
also I checked google earth and there are at least 23 sheds in the surrounding 2 blocks from my house that are not in code compliance.
frick code compliance.
*breaths in*
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDD OF THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
*breaths*
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
dude....
I stopped believing I live in the "land of the free" when I was about 15.
>when I was about 15.
And I hope that eventually you will understand what that actually means. You can say you hate Joe Biden and sleep peacefully tonight. You can save your money and start a business. You can get an affordable education.
Yes, there are powerful people who use their money to try to get more money and sometimes you have to deal with that. Use your intelligence and your freedom and you might succeed.
Ok, sermon over. How exactly are you not free compared to anywhere else in the world? Because you can't build a sub-standard dwelling on land you own?
I already succeeded and am retired 12 years early. I hate trump, and biden both are morons. there hasn't been a good president since 1981.
that would be about 8.
>age when he started acting like first world problems were the worst problems he's ever known
You probably only got narced because someone's search for "illegals" turned up empty-handed and needed to vent
>basically he hints that they only enforce code when people narc.
This is pretty much true, and for obvious reasons. Code enforcement might have one or two inspectors for a town with 80,000 people. If 2% of the people pull permits that need inspections over the year, that's 4 inspections that need to be done daily, which includes all the paperwork, travel times, etc. that goes along with them. Add into this that a lot of time the inspectors are doing double-duty as plans examiners, and most building departments are badly overworked. This is bad and good, as it means they're unlikely to be able to do a thorough inspection of what's been built, but also means that they're unlikely to worry about smaller things and that you really have to give them a reason to give you a problem. At the same time, it means that if you DO give them a reason to give you a problem, they're more likely to take it out on you, as the only thing worse than a bored city official with too much time on his hands is one that has entirely too much stuff to worry about and doesn't have time for this shit.
I had a propane tanks installed in my yard (shed guy) the company that did the install got permits. the inspector came out, chatted me up because my unusual last name was the same as someone else he knew. he looked at the tanks, did not look at any of the pipes under the house, or in the kitchen. slapped the green sticker on the permit and left.
>the inspector came out, chatted me up... he looked at the tanks, did not look at any of the pipes under the house, or in the kitchen. slapped the green sticker on the permit and left.
you didn't give him shit so he didn't give you shit
as anon said
>At the same time, it means that if you DO give them a reason to give you a problem, they're more likely to take it out on you
>he tells me that not only are some neighbors nosey buttholes but that there are people (not city workers)who have nothing better to do but drive around narcing on code violations,
peak boomer right here
Wait why are furries communist?
>actually DIY-relevant thread on a topic that people should be interested in discussing
>americans turn it into a race-bashing, politically polarized, myopic identity-politics shitshow
every fricking time
>Building codes aren't political
>bro race has no relevancy to politics... Just because OKAY?!?!?!
Yeah how about you try living in a town with half Mexicans who literally try to screw you at the grocery store, at the gas station, and anywhere else only for being white. See if that rolls over into building permits and other things.
The only people who aren't "racist" is white people. Everyone else is racist and hates(jealous) white people, they are just smart enough to say it around a campfire with beers and not on TV
>needing permission to do stuff on YOUR OWN PROPERTY
Frick that. I'll just shoot whatever homosexual shows up to complain. I've got nothing to lose anymore but whatever I do on my spot.
I see so many sketchy additions around my neighborhood that I have to wonder if it matters unless you get a narc neighbor
>You must hire a licensed electrician to complete the install
>IBEW pays off our politicians and threatens to break our legs if we don't force people to hire them
True
The illegal Mexicans need jobs too
#FrickIBEW
#OpenBorders
Right, because the only two possible options are either a corrupt crime organization running everything or illegal aliens destroying society?
Correct.
Illegal aliens are destroying society BECAUSE a corrupt crime organization is running everything.
>Illegal aliens are destroying society
They wouldnt have to resort to crime if all unions were gone, and they could just work in harmony alongside everyone else
Unions only function well in homogeneous societies due to implicit in-group trust, which is why megacorporations like Amazon push so hard for diversity; you are less likely to trust people and organize with them if they don't look like you. White societies are (or were) the best because of this work ethic but were corrupted by israeli and Italian mob influence.
And it's cute you think I think "they have to resort to crime". They resort to crime because they are lower IQ and more impulsive than Whites and Asians. The real ~~*criminals*~~ are the ones who lobby . When I talk about cartels, I'm not talking about the Mexican ones. Those are small time compared to the ones I'm talking about who actually run society and create an environment for illegals to thrive in at the expense of productive people.
I for one hate the fact that people have to pay 5% DUES to a union to make 20% MORE than non union workers, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE UNION.
Those unions leverage the companies they work for, for more money and benefits, the unions leverage other companies to hire them.
Its just not fricking fair, did you every think about the Bossman and how he feels?
Did you ever think about that poor company who has to decide between union labor or illegal labor?
Unions charge money to apply, they GATEKEEP blacks and poors and illegal mexicans. They 100% hire white men and pay them MORE than blacks or mexicans they refuse to hire.
HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT SUCH THINGS?
How about evening the playing field for the illegals, for the blacks?
This is institutional racism and toxic masculinity at its FINEST.
#RightToWork
#LatinXLivesMatter
#ImmigrantStrong
THIS THIS THIS
How do you expect an illegal immigrant to EVER make a living and send that paycheck back to Mexico if you wont hire them?
How can you ever expect an anchor baby to survive on his own if his father cant get work because companies only hire thug Union workers?
Its inhumane. Look in the fricking mirror and understand what you are doing to these poor people.
THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO WORK RIGHT ALONGSIDE WHITE MEN, TO BARGAIN THEIR OWN WAGES WITHOUT A UNION ARTIFICIALLY RAISING IT.
If you remove israelites and non-whites (some Asians can stay) from European countries, the countries immediately and dramatically get better.
No insurance companies do. You always paying the price because a few morons cant connect two wires proper without letting 6 inches of exposed copper floating around. Or jamming 6 wires on the same breaker then wondering how the house wire happened when the replaced a fuse with a copper penny.
Let me sue the fabricator because my husband died installing this new installation and never mentioned you had to be a licensed electrician!!