What do you think? Will they be reliable and effective additions to the European countries buying them or will they be a meme?
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What do you think? Will they be reliable and effective additions to the European countries buying them or will they be a meme?
it's like buying great value brand for weapons, fricking trash
the west deindustrializing and offshoring defense industry will be our downfall, not to mention sharing technology with turdies
Good morning Ragnesh!
on what grounds are they trash
Do you even know who makes S. Koreas military weapons? It's Daewoo Precision Division. They make quality shit.
Everyone gets a turn. Follow the money in your career or perish.
SK weapons are really fricking good, and yes they're a great addition to the team. Ukraine and Turkey are countries to watch out for.
I have fired a South Korean made AK (Dasan)
It was Century tier trash and they were all withdrawn after a couple of split receivers
Picrel is me at the Seoul ADEX
>American Defense Contractor
I spent years in the ROK assessing weapons.
A number of years back I was part of the first group of Americans to see the K2 Black Panther in action. I was extremely impressed by the capabilities of the system. The speed, and hydraulics system is a sight to behold, the tank can literally kneel, or tilt, or raise up to get a better shot/better cover. I spent a lot of time traveling to different ROK units and testing various weaponry and equipment, its high quality, there’s no question about it.
Koreans are not the most innovative, but they learn from other nations (mostly the U.S.) and they take their manufacturing very seriously.
Do I think their stuff is as good as ours? (American)
No, but for the price it’s damn good, and not only that, ROK can produce en masse, you won’t have to worry about spare parts maintenance, etc.
If you want NATO standard shit on a reasonable budget, it’s the first place I’d go.
Anyone who says it’s trash has no fricking idea what they are talking about.
This is a falseflagging Korean shill
You should probably look up the definition of a false flag smooth brain.
I’m white as the driven snow, and you are probably one of those morons that thinks China makes good shit.
You're a Korean pretending to be American
Definitely not pretending to be American.
I think it’s funny you’d even act like I am a shill. I straight up said their stuff isn’t as good as ours. But would I hop in a ROK vehicle before one from pretty much any other country but the U.S. England, or Germany? Probably.
I’ll also concede their small arms (rifles) are meh…. The K1 and K2 aren’t as good as an M4.
Picrel is me seated in a K2 turret.
I do love the absolute ignorance though.
>yellow skin
Hello KATUSA. I see you are enjoying life in Camp Humphreys. Good
KATUSA uniforms don’t say US Army neverserve.
Also I have blue round eyes, picrel.
Again let me reiterate that ROK shit is not on par with US or some other Western systems, I am not a shill.
It is however very affordable and good quality for countries with tighter defense budgets.
For instance
M1A2: 24m (export)
K2: 8.5m (export)
I don’t think one Abrams (especially the export model without the depleted uranium armor) is better than almost 3x K2’s.
Korea was cool, wouldn’t live there forever. No guns is the worst part, and the pollution.
Pros:
Cheap cost of living (relative to the U.S.)
Good healthy food
Nightlife
Most people generally like you
Easy to travel the country
Easy and cheap to travel throughout Asia
Cons:
Pollution so bad it literally stings your eyes on certain days.
No guns, you can basically shoot trap that’s it. Renting a handgun or rifle is absurdly expensive.
Kind of a toxic culture.
You get treated like a foreigner, you’ll never fit in.
I’d recommend a visit. If you go there in the military or for work (I did both) enjoy your time there, I wouldn’t stay there permanently for any amount of money.
Post your gun
We're all Russians pretending to be Indians pretending to be Koreans pretending to be demoralizing other Americans. You don't fool me, Changsteinivanovichpatelkim.
no this is the korean shill --
Could you tell us some anecdotes of your time there?
>poisoning the well
How would I know that?
SK has been preparing for an existential conventional + nuclear war for almost a century with no signs of slowdown, in fact the opposite consistent escalation...combine that with world class technology/government backed r&d unprecedent by Europe or even US levels and the most robust/sophisticated industrial infrastructure the world has ever seen the weapons are going to be about as good as the world can develop + produce
Probably good considering the level of industrialization in SK
How good is that. Daewoo handgun? Who has it here?
>What do you think?
They're not the cream of the crop but they're produced in enough quantities that you don't have to wait too long to receive your orders. Makes sense for countries that need weapons urgently or are on a tighter budget.
>effective additions to the European countries buying them or will they be a meme?
Who's actually buying them? I know Poland is their #1 customer but aside from them I haven't seen any large scale acquisitions by other countries, certainly not the big players in Europe.
> not cream of the crop
Ok the US is obviously top dog but who else is even close? China or Russia? Be serious, seems to be a large gap after US and SK
Euro equipment. Always boutique and high quality but never produced in large enough quantities.
Obvious troll, euro weapons are arguably worse than chinese or russian garbage, they are the option of last resort for ss african nations at best
>"obvious troll"
>immediately follows it up with obvious bait
Obvious projection.
>Leopard 2
Best MBT in service
>Eurofighter and Rafael
Arguably the best non-5th gen aircraft.
Not to mention the European missile industry is absolutely world class.
This must be bait. I can't even remember the last time Europe produced a principle weapon system that didn't turn out to be absolute garbage in the long run when their marketing wore off.
Eurocopter
NH90
Eurofighter
Rafael
The German AFV family seem to be maintenance queens, including the PzH.
Leclerc is an unknown quantity since it's never been exported or seen real combat.
Daewoo should be able to import more K1s and K2s. Import bans have been an absolute disaster for gun culture and both the national and international firearms market.
South Korea saw short term success but basically screwed over their long term results in the process. For starters Korea is offering a lot of sweetheart deals that are not sustainable in the slightest long term. For starters part of the reason Poland picked the K2, K9, and FA-50 was the delivery time table, but in order to meet it, Korea was taking vehicles off the production line meant for the ROK and sending it to Poland. That's already a dangerous thing to do and creates a backlog of orders, but also can't be sustained with multiple customers wanting vehicles. When they have to dip into their own stock to meet orders, they can't deliver on schedule normally. Then you have things like the Polish deal where Korea is now trying to rugpull Poland on all the local production deals with the 2nd stage of the program. Also Poland wanted to buy so much shit that they didn't have nearly enough money so Korea offered fractional reserve loans meaning the banks Korea was loaning from didn't even have enough money. Then you have shit like all the defects in their systems that haven't been around long enough to truly study. In the only time the K9 was used in combat it had a 50% failure rate. The Korean built Type 214s have major defects. The Korean F-35 fleet has garbage readiness. The KDDXs had massive deck cracks after fitting KVLS. Then finally all of Korea's weapon GPS' are civil grade and are highly susceptible to EW attacks.
This is sounds suspiciously like the indog or possibly chinkie cope, the k9 is around 60% of 155 exports in the past decade and close to 90% of the market in the past 3 years, everybody buys the k9 if they can afford (they are expensive as frick even with the economies)...the 214 is something like 30 year old design from German frame, you do realize that the KSS3 is being picked by Canada to around $60+ billion to replace their entire fleet? The word is that even the Aussies are reconsidering the 50+ year old "nukes" for the KSS3, and no Indonesia will never get this for many reasons...the F35? Name a single F35 fleet that has not had a worse track record than ROK? There are several air forces where pilots have crashed and some even killed with the finger pointed at the design, the F35s on the peninsula are likely the highest readiness levels of all F35 units globally and to make you seethe even more the debate is whether to go with 120+ F35s + 240 KF21s or 80 F35s + 320 KF21s, all before 2040 with the F35s being operationalized by 2030, sorry indogs/chinkies you are falling behind and everyday are being more pigeonholed as a pariah state
>everybody buys the k9 if they can afford
People buy the K9 specifically because it's cheap shit anyone can buy
K9 ~3mil
PzH2000 ~17mil
>the 214 is something like 30 year old design from German frame
There are much older designs still in service and the oldest KSS2 in service is still less than 20 years old. There are older 214s in service than any KSS2 without the issues Korea has.
>you do realize that the KSS3 is being picked by Canada to around $60+ billion
Last I checked Korea is offering these extremely generous deals and Canada still hasn't made the selection. KSS3 is still missing Li-Ion batts and the missile it was designed to use fell on the base firing it.
Holy fricking cope.
>Indonesia will never get this for many reasons
I literally don't care about the sea rags. Sorry asiatics were moronic enough to make those frick heads their primary regional partners.
>Name a single F35 fleet that has not had a worse track record than ROK?
Literally every single one.
https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korean-f35a-fighter-jets-grounded-172-times-18-months-2022-10
>The jets were "operationally unready" 234 times in an 18-month period ending in June 2022, the lawmaker said, citing air force data.
>"Grounded fifth-generation fighters could carry out missions for only 12 days on average last year and 11 days in the first half of this year" the report says.
asiatic F-35s literally had a 3% readiness.
>There are several air forces where pilots have crashed and some even killed with the finger pointed at the design
>We didn't crash in the 12 times we flew this year!!!11!!
>the F35s on the peninsula are likely the highest readiness levels of all F35 units globally
I didn't know the rest of the world had a 2% readiness rate. You are the only one seething here.
>even more the debate is whether to go with 120+ F35s + 240 KF21s or 80 F35s + 320 KF21s, all before 2040 with the F35s being operationalized by 2030
The last cope was KF-21N, but CVX never got funding.
What lesson can we learn from Indonesia's defense trade with South Korea? South Korea has matured on aerospace industry, particularly jet fighter. But in terms of naval industry, Indonesia should be careful. Look at the fate of submarine Indonesia bought from South Korea. Indonesian no longer trust South Korean products after the loss of KRI Nanggala, the Indonesian Submarine sank a year ago because of faulty South Korean maintenance process which DSME blamed on Indonesian until defects were found on ALL of ROKN's KSS II Type 214, and since Indonesia become submarine operators in 1960s, it only had one catastrophic sub accident with the sinking of KRI Nanggala which was overhauled by.....South Korea in 2012
Three of our newest Nagapasa-class submarine, which is made and its construction here in Surabaya is supervised by DSME of SK, cant even submerged let alone fire its torpedoes because of poor construction and material used by the SKan. Never ever make deals with the South Korean shipyards. Just remember what had happened with Nanggala last year because of cheap MRO by DSME… Those Korean made subs with fake labels of "Karya Anak Bangsa" are just scrappy toys.
South Korean hatred towards us, especially Indonesians has led to some disasters that make our people suffer. As Indonesia, I want to see every SoKors dies in a most painfully way possible, their racism and hatred towards us is unacceptable. Unfortunately that the "hallowen chaos" Only happened at Itaewon, not all of Seoul. I hope other "incident" like Itaewon occurs in every SKan cities
>>t. han chink
you chinkies really are terrible at pretending to be superior races, even asian ones
Pay up
>South Korea has matured on aerospace industry
>2 Jet designs one a trainer and the other a 4.5 gen hoping to reach 5th gen by 2030
>No domestic radar system
>No domestic high bypass engine
>No domestic low bypass engine
>No domestic cargo aircraft
>No domestic MPA
>No domestic MRAAM
>No domestic SRAAM
>No domestic organic satellite delivery
>Only military satellite is a European design put into space by Americans
>No domestic GPS system
He thinks this is matured.
>losing to a repurposed trainer
Heh, nothing personal...
They are shit and souless
Just like everything from that souless gay feminine shithole
soul doesnt win battles
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/02/113_368388.html
>Korean defense firm LIG Nex1 has clinched a $3.2 billion deal to export mid-range surface-air-to missiles (M-SAM II) to Saudi Arabia, Seoul's defense ministry said Tuesday.
>LIG Nex1 inked the contract with the Saudi defense ministry to sell Cheongung M-SAM II in November, the ministry said.
>It marks LIG Nex1's second overseas sales of Cheongung-II following a deal with the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in January 2022.
>The hit-to-kill missile system is capable of intercepting incoming missiles at an altitude of about 40 kilometers to protect vital facilities from artillery and aircraft threats.
>The details of the contract were disclosed after the defense ministers of the two nations held talks in Riyadh on Sunday (local time) to boost arms industry ties on the sidelines of the World Defense Show.
$3.2 billion deal? Congrats to Korea bros!
if theyre so great why havent they reunited the pennisula yet?
imagine trying to integrate millions of North Koreans into South Korean capitalism
I’d make Trillions, dont even have to bother with setting up sham cults