South Korea aircraft carrier back on this time even bigger

> SK evaluation of 20 F35Cs purchase changed to 20 F35As
> 30,000 ton light aircraft carrier not included in 2023 budget
> For the 2023 budget only evaluation funds were allocated to the CVX program
> KAI announces carrier version of the KF21 development
> SK government and military now planning 60,000+ ton medium aircraft carrier

South Korea gets out of buying F35Cs (F35As are far superior) and no longer wasting money on a useless 30,000 ton LIGHT aircraft carrier

Now invests in the KF21 catobar or stobar version + getting a 60,000+ ton MEDIUM aircraft carrier that is actually useable

Sounds like this could have been planned from the outset

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/09/south-korea-considers-larger-aircraft-carrier-procurement/

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Were they ever considering the F-35C? I had only heard plans for the F-35B.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SK was considering both but really only wanted the F35A

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Impressive.

    With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Korean micropenis, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Korean plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which Korea affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SK cock mogs most of western Europe, not to mention 80%+ of SK males are circumcised which takes away 1+cm

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Self reported
        In other words the morons were tearing their dicks with vices and measuring them wrong.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    korea, you need to stop this. an aircraft carrier is a bad idea already

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Full sized aircraft carriers
      Nuclear submarines
      Fusion nuclear reactors

      Korean domination continues

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    still relying on help from pastaland or 100% on their own this time?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >60,000+ ton MEDIUM aircraft carrier that is actually useable
    Is it tho?
    The 110,000 tonne displacement of the Ford class isn't "make it as big as possible." It's essentially the equivalent of an interwar fleet carrier (~20,000tonnes) in terms of planes carried (~90), just back then a naval aircraft weighed 2-5 tonnes where today they weigh 15-20 tonnes.

    So what does a "medium" carrier do that a "light" carrier doesn't? Seems to me they'd be better off with something like an enlarged Wasp class amphibious ship with jump jet capability unless it's just a stepping stone to a full carrier like the Chinese did.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The idea that they'll have a carrier catapult launched KF-21 anytime in the next 15-20 years is a joke.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Catapults aren't complicated. It's 15-20 years no matter what they do.
        The Chinese managed catobar in like 10 years from go to woah.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This, ILMs are used on fucking roller coaster all the time it's not advanced tech anymore.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SK already has amphibious ships with landing pads

      QE class is 72,000 tons
      Charles de Gaulle is 42,500 tons

      The SK aircraft carrier will be in the 60,000 to 70,000 ton range

      Anything above 40,000 but less than 80,000 is a medium aircraft carrier

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >SK already has amphibious ships with landing pads
        But not jump jet capability.

        >QE class is 72,000 tons
        >Charles de Gaulle is 42,500 tons
        And too small to do what they need to do, yet too big to be a low cost option.

        Americans love to bang on about "supercarriers" but in reality the Ford class are just fleet carriers.

        So I ask again, what's the point to a "medium" carrier?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The medium carrier only makes sense if the KF21 carrier based version becomes operational in earnest

          This is probably the biggest indicator that this is going to happen as South Korean business is closely tied to both politics and even the military industrial complex, KAI announced last week that they are moving forward with carrier versions of the KF21 followed this week by the medium carrier announcement by the SK government and military

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            An entire model of fighter that exists specifically for one bote seems kind of crazy in and of itself

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If they had plans to build 3-5 carriers it might make sense.

              But just 1 or 2 boats is ~40-80 aircraft which doesn't seem worthwhile to develop an entire carrier-launched version of the plane when you have ZERO other prospective customers.

              At least the US with the F-35C has 10+ catapult carriers to play with.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In reality the South Korean medium aircraft carrier will probably spend most of the time patrolling key shipping lanes particularly in the Indian Ocean where pirate activity remains an issue and then if a war breaks out the CVX group can redeploy to waters closer to the Korean peninsula, SK already among the most active in anti-piracy operations so a medium aircraft carrier has an immediate role

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But again, why the fuck wouldn't you just buy F-35Bs?

                Just build a slightly larger helicopter carrier than your current ones and you've essentially got the same thing as the Japanese with the Izumo being modified for the F-35B.

                If you did that you'd have medium aircraft carriers operating by 2030-2035.

                With a domestic catapult carrier AND a carrier launched KF-21 you're looking at MAYBE 2040, and probably closer to 2045.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A few reasons:

                1. F35A is $65 million per unit. F35B is $100+ million per unit. F35C is $95 million per unit. Despite the cost difference the F35A is by far the most capable fighter. A few compartisons:

                F35A 18000lb payload, 1200 nmi range, max thrust/weight 1.07, g limit 9.0
                F35B 15000lb payload, 900 nmi range, max thrust/weight 1.04, g limit 7.0
                F35C 18000lb payload, 1200 nmi range, max thrust/weight 0.91, g limit 7.5

                2. South Korea has a culture of valuing domestically made products over non-SK made, its not just a sense of national pride either, there is a perception that quality is better if SK made.

                3. Most importantly, they can export to other countries hence Military Industrial Complex.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But again, the KF-21 relies on the Western MIC for half of their systems, it's hardly wholly domestically produced.

                And again, for actual defense purposes it's retarded to opt for a semi-domestic fighter/air craft carrier that will take 15-20 years or more to actually happen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But again, the KF-21 relies on the Western MIC for half of their systems, it's hardly wholly domestically produced.
                Wot? Only the engines and some other niche stuffs like ejection seats are imported, the rest are of Korean origin.
                >And again, for actual defense purposes it's retarded to opt for a semi-domestic fighter/air craft carrier that will take 15-20 years or more to actually happen.
                Brazil is also building a full fledged catapult carrier at the moment. You don't have to be the best in technology to be able to build one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some other niche stuffs
                lol, more than "just" the ejection seats. Things like the AESA radar, the TA/TO system, and other VITAL avionics.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >TA/TO
                TF/TA
                not sure how my autocorrect did that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Elbit Systems was contracted by Hanwha Systems to provide terrain-following/terrain avoidance (TF/TA) systems for the aircraft.[76][77]
                >contracted
                Interesting, because it's been described as 'localized' according to the gov sources, so Hanwha probably bought out the technology. Also, SK already has a terrain reading method on its Hyunmoo-III cruise missile.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >1200 nmi range
                Fucking pathetic. God that program was dumb. Lets take the F-16 and make it slower so it's less useful as an interceptor in Europe, that way it can also suck in the Pacific.
                >but muh radar and avionics
                Yeah that's what everyone is actually buying because the airframe isn't worth a damn. We've just paid the R&D costs of the actually useful plane that will replace the F-35, but we still have to pay for that too.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If they had plans to build 3-5 carriers it might make sense.

              But just 1 or 2 boats is ~40-80 aircraft which doesn't seem worthwhile to develop an entire carrier-launched version of the plane when you have ZERO other prospective customers.

              At least the US with the F-35C has 10+ catapult carriers to play with.

              Not really, if it's a SK CATOBAR carrier then the SK F/A-18E/F won't take a lot of modification to operate from it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe unless there are plans to export both as well...

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder if USN would sell them a Ford class

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol no

      They're probably looking to do this 60,000 ton carrier for ~$2-5B

      A GRF-Class carrier is ~$12-13B

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They wouldn't buy it. Worst Korea is fucking obsessed with their shipbuilding industry. They might by the design, but how much of that would the US actually be willing to sell?

      They're already selling marine nuclear technology to Australia for submarines as a "special exception" because "It's Australia." If they do it again the whole world is going to be lined up for American nuclear secrets and asking "why not us" to which the only answer is "we just don't like you as much," which would be a diplomatic disaster.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The three largest shipbuilding companies are South Korean, over $50 billion in revenue annually

        US is giving nuclear tech to Australia because its to counter the China influence, there is a proxy soft war going on in Australia and Australia is increasingly being pulled towards China, the nukes are a signal to China that Australia is willing to do business with China but not in their strategic sphere of influence

        Also, if a war with US - China ever breaks out, Australia would provide critical support to US + South Korea + Japan, that's basically it in the entire Pacific, although Taiwan politically is pro-US economically they are 99% China not to mention many of their elite businesspeople have close business and family ties with CCP members, Taiwan actually getting actively involved in a war against China is highly unlikely, all this saber rattling by China going on now is directed at the US not Taiwan

        Most critically the US has provided key nuclear sub tech that will help SK fast track nuclear submarine development

        Post WW2, the countries that have provided the most combat troop support to the US are South Korea (500,000 combat troops, excluding the Korean War) and Australia (100,000 combat troops), Japan has not provided any but in a large scale war between the US and China its inevitable that Japan will have to get involved

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ignoring Flips, Vietnam, Indo and a half-dozen other nations

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there is a proxy soft war going on in Australia and Australia is increasingly being pulled towards China,
          Youre retarded
          >the nukes are a signal to China that Australia is willing to do business with China but not in their strategic sphere of influence
          Youre not that retarded

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BEST case the US might sell/give them CVN-70/71 when they get decommissioned in the 2032-2036 timeframe. But even that would require billions of dollars to maintain and operate and it probably wouldn't really be worth it in the long run unless they plan on building a domestic carrier in the 2050s and want to use the old Nimitz as a learning experience for 10-20 years before having your own domestic carrier.

      But in any case, I really doubt they end up with any US carrier, Nimitz or GRF-class.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it doesn't blare this the day it's launched I'm going to be pissed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh god yes.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Indian Shill

    But where exactly do the morons want to project power??

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pyongyang

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mumbai ya fuck.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ramp cope
    Why.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Honestly Sorks are retarded, this has no use and is just a braindead vanity project.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The same reason why other countries have medium aircraft carriers

      Ask yourself why the UK and France have medium aircraft carriers and the answer will essentially be the same

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ask yourself why the UK and France have medium aircraft carriers and the answer will essentially be the same
        You are utterly fucking braindead. How can you even compare these countries at all?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Very similar populations and GDPs?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Utterly retarded, first all that makes no sense. Secondly if militaries worked like that it doesn't change that SK's economy, 1.8tn, is half the size of the UK's economy, 3.3tn.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The UK has 67 million and growing by 500,000+ every year due to immigration from third world countries, the UN estimates that the UK will have a greater population than Germany in the next few decades with more than half as non-natives (ie., no ancestors that were UK 100+ years ago)

              South Korea has 50 million and is shrinking by ~500,000 per year and the UN estimates that they will stabilize around 25 to 30 million people but SK is increasingly becoming the only hyper-developed nation pulling away from lesser developed nations such as Japan and Germany, countries like the UK and France are a tier below even Japan and Germany who are effectively a tier below South Korea now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                UK has almost 69 million people, in the next few years they will be a majority third world origin brown nation

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your a fucking retard.

          SK has a higher average iq and as a result has greater ambitions + notions of where they should be + have three nuclear weapons adversaries as neighbors

          So if the UK and France believe an aircraft carrier is worthwhile, multiply that by a factor of 100x and then you can appreciate why SK has the second most powerful military industrial complex in the world, not Russia, not China, South Korea

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would this serve SK domestic defence at all? Or is this meant for expeditionary use e.g. as a counter to China in the South China Sea area? Or maybe they just think India will buy a couple and it's a money maker?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Global military power + export to allies, simple as retard

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ramp

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >South Korea gets out of buying F35Cs (F35As are far superior)

    Wait, what? Why are they better?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are performance tradeoffs made to make it be able to handle the forces involved in a catapult assisted take-off and an arrested landing. I believe the F-35C also has larger wings to provide more lift to assist in lower speed landings and faster altitude gain at lower speeds for take off.

      But yeah, F-35B also has performance trade-offs to fit the STOVL engine differences into the airframe.

      The F-35A is the "full" F-35 with the most performance. The trade off obviously being it can't do STOVL, and it can't take off/land on a carrier.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey, armatard — I assume it’s you at this point — why hasn’t Korea been on a single freedom of navigation op? It’s really hard to take anything they do seriously in the naval sphere if they can’t even do that.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why the fuck they need a CV? France, Britain, Russia , China and even fucking India have good reason. S. moron literally have no good reason. Are trying to attack Japan or something?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally because japan does. But since japan converted their helicopter carriers for the F-35B SK wants to prove they're better by going with a CATOBAR carrier AND a domestic carrier launched fighter.

      Silly japan has to have inferior converted carriers for their dumb American STOVL jets while glorious korea has true naval power of a domestic carrier and domestic fighter that is catapult launched not dumb American fat hover jet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      List reasons why France, Britain, Russia, China, India need a CV?

      SK are a superior nation to all and will impose their national will on these monkey races

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can part understand why Russia wants CVs but China, Britain and France are military untermensch tier countries that were getting completely mogged in combat with horedenous killed ratios (except the French since they surrendered immediately at the initial signs of war and spread cheeks) and only the US and Russia saved their asses

        Its a travesty that the monkey races of the Brits, French and Chinese are part of the permanent UN security council, there are 50+ countries that could conquer each of these counties 1v1 without US in their corner

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