Something about a snubnosed 38 special just appeals to me
Anytime it's an option in a video game i use it as much as possible, and learn to completely control the recoil and just become a beast with it.
Is it a realistic CCW? Probably one of those hammerless ones?
just get a glock 43 dude
I’m the same way. Too bad I can’t find a classic S&W anywhere these days. Just cheap off brand silver snubbies.
Cabelas has 642s. Even lockless ones
>realistic
No anon, after the 9/11 server update humans became immune to .38 spl despite it being a mainstay of LEO, military, and private use for a century.
Yes, it's fine. It was fine in 1920, it was fine in 1970, it is fine in 2020, and it will likely be fine in 2070 barring a world where walmart hoodies and tshirts are NIJ II certified.
>barring a world where walmart hoodies and tshirts are NIJ II certified.
Under 100 and I would buy one immediately.
I mean everyone would. But until we enter a world where everyone just casually is wandering the streets with NIJ II armor, .38 spl in it's various SJHP forms are fine ammos to carry. They have been for years, they will continue to be until humans just evolve or are edited to be more bullet resistant to survive the american classroom of the 2100s.
Taurus of all people makes smaller revolvers with decent sights, a tritium dot one. That said, the revolver sights are one of those "nyet rifle is fine" issues where at extremely close range (where 99% of shootings happen) you are presumed to not use them much, so it's better to mill them in to be slick and not catch rather than something like a glock sight.
There are approximately 500 of them on Gunbroker at any given time, you just need to understand S&W's autistic numbering scheme
What number will make me a 70s TV cop
S&W model 36 (Chief's Special) or Colt Detective's Special
Forgot to to add: those are the steel frame versions. Alloy versions of the same gun are Model 37 (S&W) and Cobra/Agent (Colt)
Yes, it is. Is it harder to shoot and less capacity? Yes. But easy of carry is way better than almost anything else, besides a derringer. I pocket carry my Ruger LCR every day. Anything bigger and I only carry about 80% of the time.
>Is it a realistic CCW? Probably one of those hammerless ones?
Yeah. My grandad carried one in the forties. They were the best pocket gun option on the market for a long time. They aren't now.
Realistically you if you want to do this youshould probably get a CIA featherweight .357 for the same rough look and feel. It'll still feed .38SPL and you're not losing any capacity or functionality. Just be aware that the snubbed barrel and cylinder gap are cannibalizing most of the power from either round and it's a bouncy little b***h.
>It'll still feed
Uhhhhh, revolvers don't "feed" you mother frickin Black person
What is the slang verb for "to place cartridges inside the cylinders of a revolver", again?
Chamber. The .357 will also chamber .38 specials.
>revolvers don't "feed"
You sneeded, however.
>Is it a realistic CCW?
Yes. Absolutely.
Is it the best option? Probably not. A modern micro semi will be thinner, offer more barrel length, be faster to reload and likely provide better capacity.
Will these theoretical advantages ever matter in practice? I doubt it. How often is capacity or reload speed relevant in a defensive shooting?
And in exchange you've got the ability to make contact shots or shoot from within your pocket without the gun being pushed out of battery, simpler failure drill, and no risk of limp wristing.
Nailed it.
>harder to shoot
depends on what you're comparing it to. Sure a full-size pistol is easier to shoot than a snubbie. But if you're comparing it to other guns of similar size a micro compact semi isn't any easier to shoot than a revolver. It's got the same problems: small grip, short sight radius. Any gun that's significantly easier to shoot than the snub will also be significantly larger.
Snubbies typically have a heavier DA triggers as opposed to their automatic counterparts.
Good point, that is certainly an advantage that most semis would have. I still find the short sight radius and the inability to get a really good grip to be bigger problems than trigger pull though.
>offer more barrel length
yeah, because they count the chamber in semi auto barrel lengths
>hammerless
never. you want to be able to pull off a well aimed hair trigger shot.
Wrong.
>snub nose .38
>recoil
Limp wrists.
Like everyone else says, it's not the best choice but in most cases it's good enough. Something I've come to believe is that a firearm should be carried more often than anything else on your body, it should be closer to you than just about every other object in your life, literally and, in my opinion, figuratively as well. If that means carrying a shiny chrome piece or a smooth wheelgun instead of a microcompact with a dot, so be it. Being so close to you, your gun is as much an expression of yourself through your rights as it is a pragmatic self defense tool (going by statistics alone, I'd argue that it's moreso an expression than a pragmatic tool, though that's not an excuse to carry something genuinely impractical like a derringer).
As for the hammer, I'd get one with a shrouded hammer, gives you a smooth draw but if you have the time you can pull back the hammer if need be.
You sound like a teenager without a lot of real firearms experience. Small handguns like snub nose revolvers are a lot harder to shoot accurately in real life. They're very much an up close and personal type weapon. If you're already an accomplished shooter with handguns, then a snubbie can be a very effective option for carry, but if you're not able to keep tight groups with a normal handgun (4+" barrel) then a snub really isn't going to be a fit. I bought a S&W Chief's Special for my first handgun at 21, and while it certainly worked, for bad breath distance, beyond that I could've easily hit someone in their shoulder instead of in their chest, and that could be the difference between saving your life and losing it. If you do end up buying a snubbie, be sure to put a LOT of trigger time on it and become proficient.
>and while it certainly worked, for bad breath distance, beyond that I could've easily hit someone in their shoulder instead of in their chest, and that could be the difference between saving your life and losing it
wow you are a shitty shot
10 years ago when I bought my first handgun at 21, yeah, I was. You're a shitty person, though, so it's alright. I'm a much better shot today, maybe you'll become a more pleasant individual later in life.
It's the smallest pistol that I would use for concealed carry. Those super tiny automatics don't seem right to me.
.38 special isn't very powerful, but within pistol range it's good enough. You really should carry a fullsize 9mm automatic or a .357 revolver if you can.
.38 special +p is as powerful as 9mm
I wish more snubbies came with decent sights. 90% of the time they're just milled into the frame and barrel sleeve.
This is true. While I like the aesthetics of the S&W J frames, the Ruger LCR did it better by at least offering you the change to swap the front sight for a tritium night sight or other front sight blade, but the rear sight remains a trench sight.
While not practical (sales wise), if S&W made a 442/642 with the same three dot night sights sights they have on the 640 pro, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Or even just a 640 Pro in .327 Federal Magnum would be great.
the chance*
I wish more manufacturers would make .327s. Is there even one 5 shot .327 in existence?
No, the whole point of 327 was to make a 6 shot revolver the size of a 5 shot .38
Indeed. The kimber k6 is essentially the only snub option which has a set (front and rear dovetails) of decent sights.
>Is it a realistic CCW?
The current record holder for the most attackers shot in a self defense scenario outside the home used one and carried no additional ammo to reload with. His record of 4 attackers shot hasn't even been matched in the past 37 years. /k/ is full of morons who get their ideas of what is even remotely possible in a real world self defense scenario from video games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz
he shot 4 unarmed assailants in a subway car. i.e no cover, close range. they all shit their pants the second he took out a gun. are we supposed to be impressed or base our life-or-death decisions on this one guy "because he's the record holder" lol. what kind of moronic logic is that?
if you live in some ultra safe locale where there's almost no crime and almost no guns, sure. carry a gun to "express yourself" like a homosexual writing his online dating profile.
if you live somewhere more dangerous, where the criminals have guns, like Houston, TX or something, it behooves you to actually pick a better a gun. can you imagine lying in a pool of your own blood dying because you think "snubbies are cool, capacity and stuff don't matter in most defensive shootings anyway..." it's life or death. max out your shit as much as is practical
> i.e no cover, close range
Concealed carry self defense cases involving cover or longer ranges basically don't happen.
>are we supposed to be impressed or base our life-or-death decisions on this one guy "because he's the record holder" lol. what kind of moronic logic is that?
Yes, because shooting that many attackers requires them to first stick around long enough for you to shoot them rather than running away, which is outside of the norm for cases occurring outside the home.
>ultra safe locale
>New York City during the 80s
Really anon?
> it's life or death. max out your shit as much as is practical
That's nice, but realistically we hit the point where guns were effective enough for anything you might reasonably encounter in the civilian world about a century ago, and you can't link a single example to prove otherwise.
I have a 637 and I like it a lot, I kind of want to cut the hammer off because I didn't think it'd be a big deal when I bought it, but I'm not really sure if I should or just sell it and get a shrouded hammer
They are perfectly adequate! I CCW'd a Rossi .38, a sort of SW M10 clone for a couple of years.
Run +P 158gr semi-jacketed semi wadcutter and it's g2g .
you'll love Cruelty Squad's depiction of it
I don't play forced meme games.
I have an autistic 3" model 36
I get what you mean but it's surprisingly alright, once you get over the migraine-inducing graphics. It seems like the weapons selection was made by a /k/ommando with a sense of humor.
>G11 makes an appearance
>Steyr Aug flechette prototype
> Zip 22
>S&W snubnose has the double action trigger pull
>most powerful weapon in the game is an SKS
The way I see it; they only made the game because of the gamestock meme. Really not my interest.
sounds like some /k/ memery tho
From my experience with the game, it only criticizes the Gamestop debacle with a throwaway line in the stock menu.
I originally thought Sam Hyde and his moronic, zoomie followers made the game but it's just some dude
The fact that it is referencing in any way proves my point.
>>S&W snubnose has the double action trigger pull
how to do they implement that? Delay between trigger pull and firing?
The trigger pull rotates the cylinder, wieners the hammer back and releases it
damn really? Never seen a game do that before thats wild
there is a significant delay between when you interact with the gun and when it actually fires to simulate it. It makes up for it by being a one shot kill for a majority of enemies
I have a model 36 but it's the hilary lock versio. Not great from a collectible standpoint but it's an awesome gun
Everyone automatically goes to J Frame size, but a snub nose K Frame in a good holster if a pretty good feel
>Video game
Stopped reading there lmao jk but really grow up
Yes it's feasible because most situations end in less than 6 shots and most semi autos will jam after 6 shots if you're dogshit with a woman or fat man wrist. But why not have a semi auto with a red dot just in case? Shit, you could use one to hunt deer (with no ethics or legality) in the dim hours when iron sight users can't hope to hit past 10 yards.
They are adequate, you should just make sure you are a good shot and can work your revolver well (reloads, draws, fundamentals, etc). Seen a guy killed by a .38 lead roundnose to the belly. One shot stopped the altercation, victim died at hospital. Get good carry ammo in +P and you'll be fine in basically every civilian altercation you're more than likely to find yourself in. Magazine fed semis are great and everyone should get one of them as well, but its far from a must have item for majority of people.
oh god so much summer
If I'm carrying I'm out and about on purpose so I'm packing my g19 with three mags.
I made that decision after a shooting in 2012. A witness to the shooting watched the guy prep his rifle outside his target area. He was on TV crying because all he had was his 5 shot snubbie and didn't feel he could take the shot comfortably. After that, g19 everyday.
That being said in 2015 I bought a nice little snubbing and carried it literally everywhere, including some places that could have gotten me in deep shit.
This is why I carry my M1A in 6.5 creedmore in my truck
my dad used one to rob people in philly in the 70s
yeah
I daily carry my Model 49, it just werks.