Someone made a sketch of the NGAD based off of the silhouette that Lockheed Martin posted
Someone made a sketch of the NGAD based off of the silhouette that Lockheed Martin posted
Someone made a sketch of the NGAD based off of the silhouette that Lockheed Martin posted
Some Electrosphere ass shit. The future is wild, boys.
Certainly looks hot, though I think they should go full ZOE with the wienerpit. Too bad the full design probably won't make it into AC8.
ZOE or COFFIN? If you mean ZOE, then that's what the wingmen are supposed to be, if you mean COFFIN, we unironically have that tech already, the F-35 has that capability, except it's displayed in the helmet.
I mean this in a nice way, but you should be ashamed to think anyone gives a shit about someone stretching very old concepts to fit the new silhouette and you should also have a nice day
>stretching very old concepts to fit the new silhouette
moron.
how does vertical stabilization work on stuff like the b-2 and these concept pics, since there's no rudder/tailpiece?
They use quantum entanglement with a B2 on the ground that has a rudder. I assume the NGAD will operate in a similar fashion
Algorithms
Probably lots of management and checking in from the computer. Ostensibly you don't need vertical stabilization surfaces if the plane is smart enough.
flaperons
They have one guy at the front and back, if they want to go down they have the guy at the front jump up and stomp down really hard, and if they want to climb they have the guy at the back do it instead. In order to take off since the guy at the back can't perform his job while on the ground, they have a bumper like from Sonic the Hedgehog shoot it off the ground.
They have an inertialess drive for rotation. It's not powerful enough for main thrust though hence the conventional thrusters. The next generation after that will likely have either hybrid i-drive + thrusters or full i-drive.
Because everyone is trolling you and I feel bad
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My money is on it growing vertical stabilizers once it's out of concept. The really cool-looking stuff doesn't make it into production
They have had a trainer flying for like two years now.
The real answer is essentially control surfaces akin to airbrakes, sometimes the airbrakes themselves pulling double duty, which are computer controlled. The control law behind it is probably some PI controller with gain scheduling if not model reference adaptive control these days.
do you homosexuals seriously believe that some sketch a PR intern posted is the actual NGAD design?
stealth aircraft press releases aren't handled by "PR interns", lol.
>press release
it was posted on their fricking Twitter
Instagram actually
Looks similar to the early versions of the J-XX, which is going to lose the fins.
I don't think they'll not have vertical stabilizers.
Why would they? The B21 didn't need it.
>I don't think they'll not have vertical stabilizers.
Vertical stabilizers are impossible to have be very stealthy and do result in a small efficiency loss (plus represent "useless" mass), so the motivation to get rid of them is very high if the rest of the airframe/engines/control system allows it. Airforce/Navy have finally had enough old farts retire that the dogfight meme is dead so there won't be a repeat of the YF-22/YF-23 situation. Eliminating vertical stabilizers is one of the biggest fundamental wins they could go for so would be real surprising if they didn't.
I love tyrian so goddamn much
gonna pretend to be the smartest fricking guy in the planet for a second here.
I don't think they're likely to do top mount intakes on an air superiority platform.
any positive manoeuvre will completely starve the engines and kill its speed.
maybe the figured it out but I doubt it.
*positive G manoeuvre
If it has variable intakes on the bottom that can close for stealth cruise or open if required that could still work? Or if they have some other solution.
But it's also not inconceivable they'd run the numbers and just decide that maximum stealth/range/energy bonus is worth more than anything else at all on the future battlefield in this role and that there will never be any close range stuff again, or if there is other aircraft/drones will fill that shell.
It's more likely that this is just some idiot deviant artist who doesn't understand how this works.
It's not just that the Inlets are top mounted, they are also seemingly flush which would cause them to eat the boundary layer air, something particularly undesirable for supersonic flight.
But NGAD isn't in itself a maneuverable powerhouse. It's supposed to be a stealthy command and control craft for loyal wingmen and drones.
people have speculated that it might not be.
nobody who hasn't signed a federal frickyoutodeath NDA actually knows.
my average-internet-dumbass opinion is that they aren't simply going to recreate the B21 only a little smaller. maneuverability is still very important as your absolute last line of defence. even in 2K[currentyear]
I think it's defense will rather be high speed than maneuverability.
>flush top mounted intakes
Mmm Delicious dirty boundary layer air.
Cringe and not DSI pilled
You have
NO bleed system
You have
NO diverter cavity
And you have
NO mechanical variation
You should exit active service
NOW
Why does the Chinese stealth plane need canards and vertical stabilizers?
>Why does the Chinese stealth plane need canards and vertical stabilizers?
Because their understanding of "next-gen" aerodynamic capabilities is based off of stolen technology, and not intimately understood.
There hasn't been an innovative, 100% indigenous Chinese design on literally ANYTHING in fifty years, because they kneecapped their intellectual base and outside the box thinkers during the "Great Leap Forward".
All they can do is steal and derive. So they make do the best they can.
Do we know it's 100% going to have two engines?
How likely is a single engine design given that silhouette?
I don't know anything about engines.
Based on previous concept art and the fact that it's supposed to have massive range and endurance, it makes the most sense.
Since the tail section has two nearly flat faces on its sides, I'd bet the artist is correct in placing the engines there.
That would be the coolest shit ever, though I have doubts about such a design's stealth capabilities.
a well designed aerospike engine would provide a fully shielded rear turbine and thrust vectoring
it would also be fricking heavy and i believe for manned fighter aircraft it’s something the US would be looking at if the YF-12 proved viable and we were looking at retiring it or more likely it’s successor. a shame because it’s cool but kinda useless for modern air warfare
A massive requirement for the program is a shit load of electrical generating capability. There is a max load you can put on an AGB so almost definitely twin engine. Also if that wing planform is correct you're going to need differential thrust etc because Holy no aileron authority batman
So what about three engines?
Am I a moron for thinking that the rear triangle was a single aerospike engine and not part of a tail?
Can you even put an aerospike on a fighter?
>can you even put an aerospike on a fighter?
Why not? Modern air-to-air combat is done by the missiles, not by turnfighting the aircraft around each other in tight circles. Those days are long gone. Range and altitude is king
All the games and simulators I've played still demand that fighters be able to quickly maneuver to dodge missiles. And since missiles are getting better and better, they need to be more and more maneuverable. Stealth is well and good but it won't work against a heatseeker.
Games and simulators are build around "le balance" and "engaging and interesting gameplay" memes. Don't forget that.
You're playing them wrong then, in BVR you don't really need 9G turns to dodge missiles. I'm not saying you shouldn't have some degree of maneuverability, but most people will agree that the F-15Es are absolutely shit in the merge while being very deadly in BVR.
I still believe
>yfw aerospike fusion engine
You meme, but it would line up oddly well with some other things the Skunky bois have been working on
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/compact-fusion.html
would that be the final dab so to speak? we have invented nearly limitless clean energy and the first thing we used it for was the AirRapist5000 to bomb people in the third world
I remember when they "announced" it, then fricking crickets. That means one of two very different things.
I assume they got it working, we are getting to the point where there are contracts between companies to provide fusion power that have penalties if they fail to provide as stated. And that's public stuff the government is generally a bit ahead in the secret labs.
The only reason to have an aerospike is if you want your exhaust to provide optimum thrust at everything from sea level to space... without moving parts. Thus, they make sense on orbital-class rockets (sort of; Everyday Astronaut has a great hour-long video on how they work and why they've never caught on), but not so much on airbreathing jets that rarely go above FL600 aside from exotic designs.
It's fake and gay. Forward and rear edges of the wing are not aligned to the same angle. Do you even stealth bruh?
What do you mean? If anything, the angles are closer than pretty much anything but the YF-23. Besides, few other stealth aircraft share this feature with it, the only one that immediately comes to mind is Tacit Blue.
That seems rather... small. We keep hearing how NGAD is supposed to be an ocean-crossing flagship in charge of a flock of smaller, cheaper UCAVs that perform the actual shooting. *If* that is the case, then this design is insufficient to the task; you'd need something more like the size of the FB-111 or larger.
>they forgot to make it big enough
It has it's own tanker drone probably.
What if that's not a single pilot canopy, but a two or three seat design?
>pilot
>WSO
>WSO in charge of the laser turret
what if (heavy breathing) there is a gunner in a turret behind, with laser guns
we are SO BACK turret bros
Cool
wonder when they are going to drop the pilot
pull maneuvers a pilot physically can't
they have drones that can pull insane numbers in order to get in close to an enemy... theyre called missiles jackass... lol...
It's meant to be an airborne command center for its drone wingmen, so it kind of has to be piloted. The human is there to make low-latency tactical decisions so you can't quite remove them from the picture yet.
look i loved that scene in macross plus too but that's not how it works irl