Somebody give me the rundown on the back and forth with this fricking missile, what's the fricking deal?

Somebody give me the rundown on the back and forth with this fricking missile, what's the fricking deal?

Ukraine already has storm shadow missiles, why don't they just use them to blow up bridges and refineries?
In the end it's down to luck anyway, either the missile gets intercepted by zigger AA or it doesnt.
Isn't it more important to give the ukies a plane that can actually get the missile into range?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germans need to be called out for being pussies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fpbp

      https://i.imgur.com/YDxa0jW.jpg

      Somebody give me the rundown on the back and forth with this fricking missile, what's the fricking deal?

      Ukraine already has storm shadow missiles, why don't they just use them to blow up bridges and refineries?
      In the end it's down to luck anyway, either the missile gets intercepted by zigger AA or it doesnt.
      Isn't it more important to give the ukies a plane that can actually get the missile into range?

      Krauts being traitors
      They're still selling tech to China by the way

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You misspelled Israel

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germany is hopeful about getting back on the cheap russian gas tap and fricking over the rest of europe with their climate policies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There was one (1) thing that big H was right about.
      Right at the end of the war, when he realized it was over, he allegedly said something to the effect of "it doesn't matter if the German people are wiped out, the best have already died"
      He was right, his war and the fact that it followed directly on from WW1, effectively erased bravery, assertiveness and national spirit from the German gene pool.
      They are a broken race, artificially selected for cowardice, meekness and weakness.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are moronic and should take your pills

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Time proved him right on that one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >big H
        big Humungus?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        woah, the profound wisdom of a meth'd out moron that's about to kill himself.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >woah, the profound wisdom of a meth'd out moron that's about to kill himself.
          that was a zelensky quote?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's bizarre seeing the modern German, knowing the stories my Great Grandfather told about the ones he dealt with in the first world war. He oversaw PoWs in France. Described them as jovial, brave, and in good spirits no matter the hand they'd been dealt.
        At a time they were considered hardy, sociable, and intelligent. They're so different from the servile, sniveling autistics that infest the country today.
        I can only assume that the war killed all the good men, and the slav rapes replaced them with genetic slime.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The mordern german you know lives in large cities. The countryfolk are still like that. I'd argue that further doen south in germany the people are more relaxed and less autistic about rules. What I noticed when I visited Cologne recently is the bizarre road rage tendencies of germans.
          Everyone is in a fricking hurry, kids get nearly oneshot on the sidewalk or crossings and punishments for vehicular mabslaughter are fricking nothing.
          One dude killed a girl and was only charged 8 years later because the DA was anal about some law rules.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I'd argue that further doen south in germany the people are more relaxed and less autistic about rules.
            the exact opposite is true you walnut
            hell if you go even further south you find switzerland, which are like every dumb german stereotype on steroids

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh please, bayern and bw are the very worst in both autistic frickery and being generally anal, true cancers of people the rest of the country despises for a good reason
            >t. guy from berlin who lived in both states for a few years and is very very glad to live in leipzig now
            and don't even get me started on munich drivers, there's always some high blood pressure gay in a bmw crossing lines without signals and honking at everyone for being in the way of his fast and furious larp on the way to the office

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nazis would've killed people with your skin color

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not true.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They had african units, so the Black person who posted all that shit would probably be safe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >conveniently forgets everything about cold war germany
        Modern germanys shit situation is a direct result of the end of the cold war and thereby its changing political landscape and not due to ww1 or ww2

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Half a century of post war societal engineering courtesy of the US taking a page out of the playbook of Frankfurt school homosexuals is responsible for this mostly, which coincidentally got weaponized against the entire Western Europe later on to turn it into a degenerate mass with little historic or national identity, that refuses to fight against russians today because there's no point in fighting a war for what used to be their country. Also, kys immediately by snackbaring yourself on the damn bridge, who knows maybe you'll be the one to bring it down. Black person.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        t. anglo who can only win world wars if he teams up with everybody

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because Taurus is op

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >all wunderwaffen failed so far
    storm shadow
    javelin
    himars
    patriot
    gepard

    cope

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >400k dead russian and more than half the soviet stock of tank and IFV gone in just 2 years.
    >all that thanks to a small numbers of 80s and 90s era """wunderwaffen """ given to Ukraine by Nato
    lmao
    imagine if NATO actually used it modern """wunderwaffen""".

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    heh if we call everything wonderwaffle then its inability to destroy entire russian army singlehandedly will be a defect

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Somebody give me the rundown on the back and forth with this fricking missile, what's the fricking deal?
    the utter insane obsession to destroy the kerch bridge left town with nuland

    thats basically it
    the whole taurus debacle was hemming and hawing about attack kerch bridge

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Somebody give me the rundown on the back and forth with this fricking missile, what's the fricking deal?
    In the leaked Luftwaffe conversation, they mention how a few dozen of these would be needed to deal any kind of damage to the Crimean bridge, and even that would serve no military purpose. So it's a PR exercise, essentially.
    >Ukraine already has storm shadow missiles, why don't they just use them to blow up bridges and refineries?
    There's a limited amount of them, their production rate is anemic at best, and they've been rendered largely ineffective against Russian AA and EW. Take latest missile attack on Crimea for instance, a complete failure.
    >In the end it's down to luck anyway,
    Hence why you need a lot of them, launched simultaneously in huge salvos, in a prolonged air campaign. That means you also need a lot of aircraft. Talking hundreds.
    >Isn't it more important to give the ukies a plane that can actually get the missile into range?
    It's also important to have trained pilots, maintenance crews and special runways for those planes. Neither exist in the Ukrane. And the planes that are being considered right now are 40+ year old airframes more outdated than the Soviet Su-27s the Ukraine already had.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the f16s exist MERELY to pose the threat of the of slining a JDAM-er equipped gravity nuke, which the ones ukraine is getting were sourced precisely for that model, to make precisely this threat
      it has the kit to handle nukes pre-installed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they've been rendered largely ineffective against Russian AA and EW

      S-300/S-400 in Crimea fail to detect Storm Shadow missile’s flying over them and Russians manning the air defence battery film it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Neat. I wonder if a hit on their command vehicle or radar made everyone shit their pants and start running.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is underrated footage, that's actually fricking amazing.
        Did a harm or another SS delete the local radar and that's why they're fleeing their vehicles? Did the Russian AA just not work? We just don't know.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Aren't the S-300 and S-400 designed for long range interception? If the missile hugs the ground and avoids all the other sensors of the GBAD network and manages to get that close, it'd be too late for them to engage anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a few dozen of these would be needed to deal any kind of damage to the Crimean bridge, and even that would serve no military purpose
      If you slash your opponent's jugular, he wins.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are a delusional moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>In the end it's down to luck anyway,
      >Hence why you need a lot of them, launched simultaneously in huge salvos, in a prolonged air campaign. That means you also need a lot of aircraft. Talking hundreds.

      this is the russian strategy
      it's about 60 years out of date
      just not keping up with real life

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Soviet psyops doing their work to this day, that's literally it.
    Ukies can operate it by themselves, Ukies have shown to obey Western imposed handicaps, Ukies do have long range missile strike capabilities via Stormshadow. Yes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >ukies can operate it by themselves, ukies have shown to obey Western imposed handicaps, ukies do have long range missile strike capabilities via Stormshadow. Yes.

      no they cant you stupid ignorant dumb frick
      ukraine has ZERO defense satellites ZERO
      it can provide ZERO targeting data on its own ZERO
      NONE
      ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
      >ukraine has no satellites
      and these missiles, to have any hope at all of hitting a fricking bridge need an ocean of sat/nav data provided to them up to the moment of impact if possible

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why even post you fricking moron, Taurus, like other serious missiles, doesn't rely on man in the loop controls. Ukies need coordinates, target model for the imaging sensor and maybe a tercom track. All could be done by Ukies. Kraut objection is that missile programming is so hard it can only be done by trained germans iirc.

        Black person, a 1000lb warhead doesnt have the daka to destroy a bridge(kerch) stop hyping up storm shadow/Taurus as some mythical bridge killer

        BROACH warhead can easily destroy or severely damage the piers, and the ideal case of destroying the suspended part would easily take months to repair

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ukies need coordinates
          provided by GPS you shit brain

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That is not the Kraut objection what they say is that they would have to provide targeting data that goes way beyond GPS and that that would directly involve the German military in the conflict.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Which is complete bullshit.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Because you have intimate knowledge of how these things are programmed?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's SOOOOOO difficult only Krauts can do it!!
                Pull the other one, it's got zwei berliners on

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you not remember the leaked Luftwaffe calls?
                they literally talked about it taking a few weeks to teach ukies the basics and another few months for them to master it
                The Claim that only Luftwaffe personnel can do it is just made-up bullshit by Scholz and his buddies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They also said France and UK are Winchester on CMs and that attacking the Kerch Bridge would take too many Taurus to make it viable. If the claim regarding SS/SCALP are true, sending German CMs makes zero sense.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, sort of. Programming the terminal imaging and the TERCOM track probably requires experts. French and Brits had no issues providing this support but germans have autism

            >ukies need coordinates
            provided by GPS you shit brain

            Are you illiterate

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Are you illiterate
              are you, you shit brain?

              where do you think the coordinates for a fricking bridge attack come from?
              no less a "mass attack" with fricking dozens of taurus?;
              >durrrrr it will just use tercom, all 20+ of them even!
              >ha, all we need are highly detailed models from satellite imagery! simple even!
              >all you do is just type it in like James Bond and *poof* off taurus saturation attack she goes!
              brown-brain moment

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany is just not as capable as UK and France okay!!
                I accept your concession

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sure thing, keep us posted

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you just pretending to be moronic? I can't even tell whose side you are on. This might come as a surprise to you since you are either a child or some illiterate third-worlder, but the locations of bridges down to the centimeter are in fact pretty well known, and you can just buy satellite imaging these days.

                And again, needing German experts to produce the mission plan with whatever secret kraut software they have is what Scholz deemed unacceptable. Ukrainians are very capable of obtaining all the information required.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I can't even tell whose side you are on
                objective reality, thats what "side" im on shit brain

                >but the locations of bridges down to the centimeter are in fact pretty well known
                turns out, they arent. certainly not for a fricking long range cruise missile strike, that will have to rely on INS or God knows what else when the E-war starts hitting it.

                >you can just buy satellite imaging these days.
                lmfao, no you cant you shit brain,
                you absolutely cannot "buy" GPS data-suites complex enough to program cruise missile strikes off fricking ebay
                GPS is purposely designed to prevent exactly this scenario. exactly precisely this scenario

                >And again, needing German experts to produce the mission plan with whatever secret kraut software they have is what Scholz deemed unacceptable
                because it obviously and undeniably uses military grade GPS data to program the route and strike points

                >ukrainians are very capable of obtaining all the information required.
                they absolutely fundamentally, objectively are NOT capable of doing this, in any way shape or form
                ukraine does not have defense or 'navigation/targeting' satellites, not one, thus it MUST rely on ISR supplied to it from 3rd parties 100% of the time

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You have no idea what you are talking about, commercial GPS modules are used in long range missile strikes every single day with the Shahed's and whatever Ukies are throwing at Russian refineries. There is no special military grade GPS data, you are seemingly mistaking this for the M-code, to program a missile like this they need the coordinates for the waypoints, terrain elevation information for TERCOM and some synthetic images for the imaging seeker. This information can be obtained without secret squirrel speshul NATO sats, but what they can't do is compile it to a program for the missile without kraut help.

                And for the record, GPS is designed to prevent illegitimate use in ballistic missiles, not cruise missiles, COCOM limits have zero effect here

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >shit brain keeps spilling his repulsive shit all over the floor
                if what you said was even remotely true, the bridge would be LONG gone, and every single last himars would have been used on it for as long as it took

                big difference between SPS and PPS
                like 3ft vs 300ft

                so no shit brain
                without nato satellites, ukraine ISR is completely dead outside of what it collects the old fashioned way, IRL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So you were talking about the M-code, amazing. Might want to check the range on HIMARS by the way.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So you were talking about the M-code
                not specifically no, it was merely an example.
                im stating the objective reality that ukraine has no native access to the GPS data suites necessary to coordinate a cruise missile salvo strike on a bridge sized target, because it does not own or operate satellite ISR assets

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Explain Storm Shadow punching holes in small submarines then.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Explain Storm Shadow punching holes in small submarines then.

                im going to go out on a limb that those ALLLLLLLLL those pylons are a bit smaller broadside than a submarine

                Yet again, access to M-code GPS and access to centimeter precision geoinformation are a different thing, you can just buy the latter these days.

                i never said anything about M-code shit brain, you did. I said if ukraine had access to the targeting data is so desperately wants, the kerch bridge would have been saturated by himars long before the hedgehog or taurus were in the conversation

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >pylons
                multiple missiles hitting the bridge spans could still collapse the pillars. all it needs is for four or five to get through in one roughly contiguous zone

                >if ukraine had access to the targeting data is so desperately wants, the kerch bridge would have been saturated by himars long before the hedgehog or taurus were in the conversation
                the biggest GMLRS warhead type is only 90kg; Storm Shadow has a 400kg two-stage penetrating BROACH warhead. Ukraine probably wants an attack that will put out the bridge for good in one single blow, because they might take heavy jet casualties in the process and any subsequent re-attacks will be murder as the Russians will heavily reinforce the air defences; hence, the juice needs to be worth the squeeze and only one successful attack can pull it off. that is why HIMARS bombardments are not feasible.

                there is no targeting excuse at all, Krauts are just dragging their feet as they have for the past two-plus years

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yet again, access to M-code GPS and access to centimeter precision geoinformation are a different thing, you can just buy the latter these days.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Damn you are dumb.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not an argument shit brain

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not an argument shit brain

                >Two morons arguing about using a 1000lb bomb on reinforced concrete bridge
                Jesus anons, what you going to argue about next, the effectiveness of 22lr vs. a humvee?
                Taurus is a specialised weapon designed to precisley hit relatively small and only moderatly armoured high value targets from long range, which is its value to Ukraine.
                Think s300s/400, officers, EW, a50, radars, command posts, refineries.

                There are much better and more interesting ways to take down the Kerch Bridge.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Two morons arguing about using a 1000lb bomb on reinforced concrete bridge
                i never once said that shit brain

                kerch bridge attacks are the utterly fricking stupid obsession of toria nuland, paramount of reasons, because ukraine has no ability what-so-ever to self-supply the requisite targeting data a tauras salvo, let alone 1

                https://stdatavisualprod.blob.core.windows.net/$web/embeds/23/07/the-bridge-to-crimea/graphic-wide.jpg

                See those slim, underwater, difficult to repair concrete piles that it's built on?

                Tricky to get to with the currents, but oh so tender

                >See those slim, underwater, difficult to repair concrete piles that it's built on?

                no where are those?
                the bridge is built like a fricking lego-tank,
                built to be resistant to exactly such attacks

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the bridge is built like a fricking lego-tank,
                >built to be resistant to exactly such attacks
                >t. least moronic zigger

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So it would be a propaganda target and not much else?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So it would be a propaganda target and not much else?
                at *this* point in the conflict,
                absolutely

                >pic related
                the bridge was built like a fricking brick shit-house
                its far far larger than most 'westerners' probably realize, and large portions are even on "land"

                it would basically take a tactical-nuke tier sized munition to do any level of damage to "condemn" the bridge outright

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hm. So Taurus Missiles couldrather be worth it if they were used to target russian artillery Command posts instead?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are we still pretending to be moronic? It's not a 1000lb surface burst, it's a penetrator warhead that can be fuzed to detonate inside the bridge pier.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >silly hohol, powerful pussian bridge is of quantum grid square
                You're like a child repeating a joke but not actually understanding it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Multiple missiles need to hit multiple individual pillars anon. To account for non-zero CEP you need to fire salvos of multiple munitions. Each one has to have a mission profile programmed, and probably need to impact in a small time frame so that whatever air defense capabilities that russians have cannot be mobilized to shoot down relatively slow moving with now well known targets and trajectories. It needs tens of aircraft being used, you need EW assets and escorts to cover for them, etc. It is a big fricking deal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, we are talking about ~150 cm thick steel columns, not concrete. They are submerged, the water will disperse the blast effect and the BROACH warhead was designed for concrete structures and not to dive underwater in one piece and drill through huge steel columns. You are essentially trying to slash away at the supports of a your house with scalpels to bring it down.

            Pic related, severely damaging or dropping the arch is the ideal target, and requires the destruction of only a few of the reinforced concrete piers. The arch cannot be rapidly repaired with e.g. a bridgelayer because it's 200 meters long, and it cannot be fixed by pontooning or building more piers because the gap has to stay open for naval traffic. The shorter sections Russians can repair fast, took them weeks to months to fix the truck bomb, but not this one.

            Is it a hard and well defended target? Sure, but it is a pretty obvious high value target and definitely killable. Even just threatening the bridge with missiles would be good to draw AA away from other locations

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              those piers are very thick with a robust base, and both spans look quite solid. I'd bet you'd need to completely collapse the arches by destroying the piers at either end to take it out, I bet the road segments could be replaced rapidly otherwise
              and those columns are sturdy. definitely possible but I can see why they need several big boys, especially because you NEED to be sure you get the job done so you need redundancy in the strike

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They just handle the launch part, UK does the targeting and in flight adjustments

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >UK does the targeting and in flight adjustments
        Just this once, the bongs are okay. I understand the politics of it, I have a degree in the field, but some part of the word magic behind all this nonsense still does my head in.
        A bong can build the missile, plan the route, make the tweaks and paint a fricking smiley face on the front of the thing if he really wants, but as long as it's technically a Ukrainian pressing the big red button we don't have WW3.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia has nukes.
          UK has nukes.
          but Germany doesn't have nukes.
          Russia can bully Germany but not the UK.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Germany has economy, Russia doesn't.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Russia also really, really fricking doesn't want to pick a fight with NATO. They can barely handle Ukraine and start losing ground when they're tossed enough hardware. The only two outcomes of a war with NATO is a nuclear exchange or getting their shit completely kicked in. Both are bad news.
            If they really wanted to they could totally come up with a justification to start that war right now.
            I don't think Germany fully appreciates that fact. Not much short of a NATO country's serviceman t-bagging a Russian soldier he just shot on video could really 'force' escalation to that point if nobody actually wants it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the mong you're replying to really thinks that Boris Johnson is behind the lines providing targeting coordinates to the AFU like Tomorrow Never Dies

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To me, I see that if if Kerch Bridge has to be destroyed, it must destroyed in a way it'll take years (yes, plural) for it to be repaired (past attempts simply ended with the bridge repaired), dooming the Russian forces in Crimea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it must destroyed in a way it'll take years (yes, plural)
      >years (yes, plural)
      Black person, it took Russia three years to build it from scratch.
      The frick are you proposing, making a dent in the sea floor?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If it took three years to build, then make the damage so bad that it'll take five years at least to repair. Surely that's enough time to put pressure on the Russian forces in Crimea to either think of surrendering or fleeing to the ishtmus connecting Crimea to Ukraine proper, where it'll be a bloody retreat if they're spotted by Ukrainian forces from Kherson.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >If it took three years to build, then make the damage so bad that it'll take five years at least to repair.
          How?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Can't they just drop The Hulk or Iron Man on it?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Can't they just drop The Hulk or Iron Man on it?
              best we can do is darth vader

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wonderful
                Now all they need is a Palpatine replacement for a Stalin statue

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the above sea level parts are easy to repair.
          blow away the columms and pilots of the foundation and they have a bigger problem.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >blow away the columms and pilots of the foundation and they have a bigger problem.

            Question is, what kind of ordinance is needed for such an undertaking?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Bunker buster missiles such as Storm Shadow and Taurus, and in future Tomahawk Block V.
              AGM-154C JSOW could do it too but it's a glide bomb so it has less range.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >AGM-154C JSOW could do it too but it's a glide bomb so it has less range.
                U.S. would use AGM-158 JASSM

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thanks I keep forgetting that fricking thing
                JDAM, JSOW, JASSM, it's just one J too far for my brain

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, we are talking about ~150 cm thick steel columns, not concrete. They are submerged, the water will disperse the blast effect and the BROACH warhead was designed for concrete structures and not to dive underwater in one piece and drill through huge steel columns. You are essentially trying to slash away at the supports of a your house with scalpels to bring it down.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah ok armchair general settle down

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >To me, I see that if if Kerch Bridge has to be destroyed, it must destroyed in a way it'll take years (yes, plural) for it to be repaired (past attempts simply ended with the bridge repaired), dooming the Russian forces in Crimea.

      https://i.imgur.com/PrHgxL9.jpg

      If it took three years to build, then make the damage so bad that it'll take five years at least to repair. Surely that's enough time to put pressure on the Russian forces in Crimea to either think of surrendering or fleeing to the ishtmus connecting Crimea to Ukraine proper, where it'll be a bloody retreat if they're spotted by Ukrainian forces from Kherson.

      >If it took three years to build, then make the damage so bad that it'll take five years at least to repair
      lmfao, kerch bridge was built exactly precisely for this preclusion
      it is in modular segments, at high intervals, that are designed to be easily repaired, QUICKLY in such an even of an attack

      if you had 100 tauras
      or 100 stormshadow the hedgehog, you still coudlnt keep it down for any meaningful amount of time, factoring in attrition in the strike-attempt

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And not even crashing an airliner into it would do enough damage to force years of repairs?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >And not even crashing an airliner into it would do enough damage to force years of repairs?
          lol no?

          calculate the fuel on board and convert it to the explosive impact of a taurus barrage, and you have your answer

          it doesnt matter what hits it outside of a nuke
          the bridge was built like legos exactly for the purpose of enduring attacks and being quickly repaired if one happens

          how long did it go down for before?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >how long did it go down for before
            8 hours. Took awhile for things to cool down enough to get a crew on it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just fricking bomb the people trying to rebuild it.
            Laying any new foundation or whatever is needed to rebuild the bridge? Boom, Sea Baby into it. Cruise missile into the construction equipment. Just fricking bomb them so they won't get any silly ideas. But the cucky West won't supply us with Total TZD(better than regular TZD, I know this is a bit of an ATM machine situation but it sounds cooler that way), also known as Total And Utter Russia Undoing Set - Kill Every Pidor Dead 350.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              if you can strike the bridge regularly such that you can prevent repairs being effected then you don't need to destroy the bridge anymore because you've already rendered it useless as a supply line. if every day it was being struck even by 120mm mortar fire on the top deck it would be basically useless

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe the bridge shouldn't be the objective then. Maybe it should be the repair crews facilities and equipment doing the repairs, including maritime facilities, then when the bridge is blown up in segments, nobody would be there to fix it. The bridge is a valid military target and whoever is fixing said bridge is a valid target

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No? Why the frick would it?
          You'd damage, maybe, 10 bridge segments if you are lucky. There are about 300 segments in total. It took Russians two years to build these 300 segments in the first place. Simple math suggests that it takes three to four weeks to rebuild these 10 segments, even if they are completely destroyed.
          I'm not even sure why is it hard for you to comprehend. Like, sure, they are at war, logistics and workforce are kinda stretched, maybe they will work twice as slow and it would take two months. Maybe even three. But how the frick do you plan to delay the repairs for years?

          Just fricking bomb the people trying to rebuild it.
          Laying any new foundation or whatever is needed to rebuild the bridge? Boom, Sea Baby into it. Cruise missile into the construction equipment. Just fricking bomb them so they won't get any silly ideas. But the cucky West won't supply us with Total TZD(better than regular TZD, I know this is a bit of an ATM machine situation but it sounds cooler that way), also known as Total And Utter Russia Undoing Set - Kill Every Pidor Dead 350.

          >Just fricking bomb the people trying to rebuild it.
          With what bombs exactly?
          According to the recent leaked call, Germans believe it might take about 5% of all the Taurus missiles ever produced to knock out a single segment of the bridge - in perfect conditions, with no misses, no malfunctions, no AA and no risks for the jets launching these.
          I mean, sure, if you keep spending all the Western gibes trying to destroy the Kerch bridge and prevent if from being rebuilt, you'll do it. I have a feeling Russia would much appreciate this autistic waste of resources while they are supplying Crimea via the land corridor.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Simple math suggests that it takes three to four weeks to rebuild these 10 segments
            When you have a crew working solidly for years and all the logistics for them, they get things done faster. ad-hoc repairing a few segments is harder and takes longer. to put it in /k/ terms: once you shut down the tank manufacturing facility, it doesn't matter how many tanks you could produce a month before. you need to spin up a new facility. You need to go through the process of spinning the process up again.

            Lots of people in this thread are missing the key part: taking out the roadway is quite easy to repair, taking out structural supports would take months minimum. one or two supports over the span they might be able to bandaid for light traffic while the repairs are made, more than that and it's out of action for quite a while.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >words words words
              you simply dont get it do you?

              the bridge has modular construction, that is literally designed to be quickly and easily repaired, at any point on the structure.

              this isnt the west
              there isnt a 2 year lead time, and $3.6billion contract to replace damaged bridge sections
              so even if you fired every single stormshado the hedgehog or taurus at it, it still probably wouldnt take it out, just by sheer size of the bridge alone, and the difficulty of actually targeting pylons of which there are FRICK TON for this bridge

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why don't they target the rail depots and the less replaceable infrastructure that services the bridge? I understand that tracks aren't hard to replace. Depots, junctions, control stations? Are those not less repairable?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Depots
              just easily-repairable rail
              >junctions
              just easily-repairable rail
              >control stations
              a panel with some buttons that turn lights on and off
              >Are those not less repairable?
              yes
              rail systems are incredibly low-tech and robust, low-tech enough that even the russians mastered them a century ago, and robust enough that even the soviets were able to keep them running fairly reliably.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the AFU has more targets than they have bombs for

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But that’s not what they said in the leak. What they said was that they likely would need more than one missile per pillar and how many they would at max be willing/able to provide.

            Which is complete bullshit.

            Do you not remember the leaked Luftwaffe calls?
            they literally talked about it taking a few weeks to teach ukies the basics and another few months for them to master it
            The Claim that only Luftwaffe personnel can do it is just made-up bullshit by Scholz and his buddies

            Have you read/listened to the leak? The issue in case of bridge strikes would be that the Krauts would have to provide the IR data in order to achieve sufficient precision to reliably hit the pillars. They discuss various means of delivering the data packages to Ukraine, including physically driving them across borders.
            You are correct in the sense that if they just wanted to use it against depots and the likes, Ukrainians would be able to program the missiles after a relatively short training period because that would just require GPS data.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >But that’s not what they said in the leak. What they said was that they likely would need more than one missile per pillar and how many they would at max be willing/able to provide.
              Can you provide a quote for "maybe more than one missile per pillar"?
              Because what I see is this:
              >Fenske: I would like to add something regarding the destruction of the bridge. We've been intensely studying this issue, and unfortunately, we've come to the conclusion that due to its size, the bridge is akin to a runway. Therefore, it may require more than 10, or even 20 missiles. They would only be able to create a hole and damage the bridge.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The centre span is not quickly replaceable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the 'fire all your guns at once' conversation
        how about you blow one section today
        give the russkies a week to fix
        then blow another section
        repeat

        no need to destroy the bridge at all
        the objective is to render it unasable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >To me, I see that if if Kerch Bridge has to be destroyed, it must destroyed in a way it'll take years (yes, plural) for it to be repaired (past attempts simply ended with the bridge repaired), dooming the Russian forces in Crimea.

      The russians can get a couple of double ender car and rail ferries for the strait. There are already one landing quay on each side. The Krech bridge is like the Öresund bridge, it reduces travel time for convenience, it is not necessary for the supply of goods.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because Ukraine has shown it has no capability to strike slow moving vessels full of munitions in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia controls the Azov Sea now. If the bridge gets destroyed they can still supply and/or evacuate Crimea by ship. The bridge is more convenient and efficient but its loss wouldn't spell certain doom for Russia's hold on Crimea.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If the bridge gets destroyed they can still supply and/or evacuate Crimea by ship.

        But what ships does Russia still have left to supply their forces in Crimea? And even then, sink them too and those don't need fancy missiles.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          *how small their gains

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If the bridge gets destroyed they can still supply and/or evacuate Crimea by ship.
        God, imagine how many of them would get sunk by drones and missiles. Half the Russian army would go to meet the VDV under the sea.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Black person, a 1000lb warhead doesnt have the daka to destroy a bridge(kerch) stop hyping up storm shadow/Taurus as some mythical bridge killer

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some morons thinks it's some king of massively more powerful than the storm shadows and as such will be able to destroy the Kerch bridge.

    They'd be useful insofar as they are cruise missiles that can be used to strike important targets, but they're not a complete game changer.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why they don't use Storm Shadows like that is because the Brits and French are responsible for them. They're cucking out to avoid "escalation"
    Basically the west is almost completely cucking instead of delivering TZD, which they're more than capable of doing. Fricking cowards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They're cucking out to avoid "escalation"
      >Basically the west is almost completely cucking instead of delivering TZD, which they're more than capable of doing. Fricking cowards.
      so where is the carrier strike group?

      why not sail 50+ ships like they did to yemen, into the black sea, and force the issue?
      what could Russia realistically do about it right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        because turkey won't allow that

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's how international treaties work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >so where is the carrier strike group?
        Did you not read what I said? The west is cucking out. There's not going to be a strike group. Most of the west will do the bare minimum because nobody will actually bother to come up with a comprehensive image of what we need to achieve.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno but that missile looks like it looks like space battleship Yamato and that's pretty cool.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what happen if touch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tendie grease on lens

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wish someone would photoshop "NO TOUCHEE" on there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I fricking love glass domes so much. I've got that wizard DNA, because I want that ORB.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You will make the missile sad.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they aint getting taurus
    it was a bullshit cameron said that uk will provide scalps in exchange for taurus and everyone jumped the bandwaggon and just went full moronic

    germany will never give taurus to ukraine period

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Germany wants dat gas.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Past 3 Chancellors are DDR spooks, one of which approved the Nord Stream 2 perfidy pipeline on which the invasion was predicated on for revenue and negotiation leverage.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    kek might want to tell the black sea fleet and headquarters that they didn't actually get hit

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Jesus man, I can't believe the vatniks have been reduced to just straight up denial of objective facts like this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >reduced
      they've been like this for centuries

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >reduced
      Dude they've been PULLING SHIPS UP THE VOLGA while the rest of the civilized world had running water and electricity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Dude they've been PULLING SHIPS UP THE VOLGA while the rest of the civilized world had running water and electricity.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Embarrassing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/GoU0dyl.jpg

        >Dude they've been PULLING SHIPS UP THE VOLGA while the rest of the civilized world had running water and electricity.

        I just want to post some Repin painting

        Thanks for reading
        and watching

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Exodus 20:7

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The deal is: Biden blocks every American guide missile, just like he blocked Abrams and Bradley.
    So Scholz blocks Taurus (Leopard 2, Marder) in return to make him fold.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    check'em quads
    TZD

    >ukies can operate it by themselves, ukies have shown to obey Western imposed handicaps, ukies do have long range missile strike capabilities via Stormshadow. Yes.

    no they cant you stupid ignorant dumb frick
    ukraine has ZERO defense satellites ZERO
    it can provide ZERO targeting data on its own ZERO
    NONE
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
    >ukraine has no satellites
    and these missiles, to have any hope at all of hitting a fricking bridge need an ocean of sat/nav data provided to them up to the moment of impact if possible

    Ever heard of TERCOM, Inertial guidance, and IIR seekers?
    The French specifically build their precision strike weapons to be as independent from GPS as possible, and Galileo has been specifically hardened to be spoofing-proof.
    So no, although the SCALP/Storm Shadow feature a GPS antenna, they do not need "an ocean of sat/nav data provided to them". Especially since mission data files are injected into the missiles before flight.
    Therefore, a SCALP could technically find its way by itself through waypoints, using just pictures of landmarks and mapping data, without ever interrogating the GPS to confirm its position.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you have absolute SHIT for brains if you think this is how the taurus works or how it will be employed or that any missile would have any efficacy at all targeting a bridge with tercom/inertialguidance or lmfao IR seekers

      truly a shit brain moment for you

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Taurus has twice the range and from the leaked phone convo it sounds like it's the only one precise enough that hitting bridge pylons becomes feasible

    but Ukies mostly hype it because it's something they haven't been promised yet

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    like half of these points was said in the phonecall. But in summary

    They could bypass all AD as they know the positions and have a "always below 21m" route mapped already. Including a under 3m accurate hit.

    The bridge is a bridge so high safety margins make it durable but not impossible to destroy but at the current situation there would not be that much value in doing that. Additionally the if they dont give the data to the ukies they would need help from MBDA to generate the mission data. This would take some time to get a effective strike. It seem like they need to model the bridge because the missile can avoid jamming etc by using sensor based homing in the targeting. Hitting the pillars should not be that much of a issue but no guarantee of being effective. but once again its stated it is not that beneficial for operations ATM.

    So the suggestion is to just blast mundepots as they are easy to target guaranteed hits with immediate effects.

    The bongs can help to attach them on the plane and some DIY dudes would Black personrig in 2 weeks. With the experience from the scalps. Though there are not that many useful planes left.

    They expect a 4 month timeline is enough to have Ukraine do it's own missionplaning. so they (no joke) don't have to drive a harddrive over the boarder. So Germany can say they didn't send target data...

    Unrelated to the phonecall there are some rumours/stories that the Taurus can be somewhat modular and has Ew and physical defense systems like flares.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now is not the time for fear.
    That comes later.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The missle is a red herring by Scholz. By pubicly saying no, he can just pretend to clearly see putin's red lines and keep hos options for escalation open.
    It is a germanosphere line thinking. Like a guy caught drunk driving. Dude won't get the highest fine for it, because then you can't give hime anything more if he fricks up again.
    The othery mostle monetary shit Germany promised/delivered and are building up flies under the radar and is even ignored by russian wienersuckers.
    The best play here is for everyone to call Germany a bunch of gays, hope that Scholz buckles and gets a new red line.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How is that piece of shit bridge still standing? You can literally fly a remote controlled Cessna filled with explosives at tree top level and the Russian AA has a 50% chance of even noticing it.
    Do the Ukies have no imagination whatsoever? The eternal Ivan was able to nig rig wings onto their dumb bombs from the 50's but Ukies can't take down a stupid bridge with all those weapons at their disposal?

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >DON'T TOUCH
    if they dont want me to touch it why would they make it so shiny and inviting

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can't you just ponder it from a close distance?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germany wants Russia to win. It's a combination of communist subversion and ww2 trauma.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of the Soviet soldiers were Ukrainian so I can understand Germany wanting them to die.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Germany wants Russia to win. It's a combination of communist subversion and ww2 trauma.

      No. Its germans refusing to cooperate with the US occupant by being obstructive in creative ways. Its kind of obvious considering the bullshit they invent to explain why they cant do this and that. Its malicious compliance upgraded to passive agressive obstruction.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >US occupant
        Do you actually believe this Vranya.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    3 angles at play:
    UK and France supplied some Storm Shadows, but they wanna keep the rest for themselves. And they're pestering Germany to send some of their own similar missiles.
    However those two are nuclear powers, while Germany is not. And Germany is scared shitless of Russian nuclear threats, because there is nothing they can do if others don't protect them. Because the Taurus flies much further than the Storm Shadow, this could be considered a "new" Ukrainian capability, so Germany doesn't want to "escalate". Their game is to only at most match what the nuclear powers are giving, never to exceed that.
    As we all know, sending these advanced missiles is practically the same as shooting them at Russia yourself. The missile guides itself, the fact that an Ukrainian hand pushed the button because you gave it to them is just an excuse.

    Germany sees there is no western plan to destroy Russia. So Russia will be there after the war. The Germans are already planning for the times after the war. The US would love have the sanctions be there forever, and have Europe pay their price. But the Germans want that sweet cheap gas again.

    The US stopped sending aid. Germany wants the US back in the game, and this is applying pressure. It was the same with the tanks: the US told them to send tanks, and Germany said not until you do. If the US saw that the Europeans are handling this on their own, they'd do nothing, they'd love that situation. Then their problem is solved and someone else paid for it, and someone else takes the risk of nuclear war.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pestering Germany to send some of their own similar missiles
      Obviously, theyre expensive. The UK has the largest stockpile of them however, the UK has offered Germany an exchange were Taurus is sent to the UK to backfill further Stormshadow donations on a like for like basis. There isnt a single good reason for Germany not to do this, Norway did the same with its M270s.
      Its a win win scenario.
      >nothing they can do if others don't protect them.
      A Russian nuclear strike on Germany would result in nuclear war involving the US UK France anyway. Multiple US bases are in Germany as are multiple UK bases. Russias nuke threats got old fast and hardly carry any weight anymore.
      >Because the Taurus flies much further than the Storm Shadow
      Stormshadow range is 340miles, Taurus is 310miles. Both missiles actual ranges are likley classified and will reach further but to say the Taurus flies much further is false.

      Tl:dr Germany is being abit of a b***h

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pestering Germany to send some of their own similar missiles
      Obviously, theyre expensive. The UK has the largest stockpile of them however, the UK has offered Germany an exchange were Taurus is sent to the UK to backfill further Stormshadow donations on a like for like basis. There isnt a single good reason for Germany not to do this, Norway did the same with its M270s.
      Its a win win scenario.
      >nothing they can do if others don't protect them.
      A Russian nuclear strike on Germany would result in nuclear war involving the US UK France anyway. Multiple US bases are in Germany as are multiple UK bases. Russias nuke threats got old fast and hardly carry any weight anymore.
      >Because the Taurus flies much further than the Storm Shadow
      Stormshadow range is 340miles, Taurus is 310miles. Both missiles actual ranges are likley classified and will reach further but to say the Taurus flies much further is false.

      Tl:dr Germany is being abit of a b***h

      Danke anons for interestingness

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Germany sees there is no western plan to destroy Russia. So Russia will be there after the war. The Germans are already planning for the times after the war. The US would love have the sanctions be there forever, and have Europe pay their price. But the Germans want that sweet cheap gas again.

      Yes and guess what? One nordstream pipe is still functional and is waiting to get switched on. Once the war is over that pipe is going pump gas at a 100% rate. So why wouldnt they play this angle, considering that USA/UK/Norway left one pipe undamaged?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >considering that USA/UK/Norway left one pipe undamaged?
        lol, lmao, rofl even. Oh, and coincidentally, it's a Nordstream 2 pipe that wasn't blown up. Yeah, totally the USA/UI/Norway.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://stdatavisualprod.blob.core.windows.net/$web/embeds/23/07/the-bridge-to-crimea/graphic-wide.jpg

    See those slim, underwater, difficult to repair concrete piles that it's built on?

    Tricky to get to with the currents, but oh so tender

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >slim
      >142 cm steel column with reinforced concrete core
      This shit is designed to withstand magnitude 9 earthquakes, and you'll need to take out multiple to compromise a pylon's structural integrity.
      And while not trivial to repair, these were initially deployed using domestically produced (albeit on German license) hammers - so they can be replaced if necessary.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Europeans will have to live with Russia as their neighbor just like before the escalation
    Dare to dream of a final solution, friend.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We Germans are honest enough to say we dont have troops there and if we need some we will make it official and not lie about it. American hide as "civilians" and brits are already operating over there programming helping with stormshadow.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if the vid above doesnt work try this one. Pretty interesting overall

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We Germans are honest
      but not honest enough to admit that your corporate leadership is deepthroating Xi the Pooh and hoping to suck Putin's wiener (if he's still alive) after the war is over

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but not honest enough to admit that your corporate leadership is deepthroating Xi the Pooh
        what?
        EU never made a secret out of it that it's only the US that has a problem with China and plays trade war.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We Germans are honest
      >VW takes over abandoned Renault factory and keeps the rest operational
      aha, picrel is simply karma

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    US unreliability hurts NATO but even just on the continent at the moment there's more than enough deterrent force. Even putting aside the multiple nuclear arsenals.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but even just on the continent at the moment there's more than enough deterrent force
      AHAHHAHAHA
      AHAAHAHAHA
      the texas national guard is literally a more capable "deterrent force" than the totality of 85% of euro militaries put together

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Somebody give me the rundown on the back and forth with this fricking missile, what's the fricking deal?
    The Germans don't want to hand over the Taurus cruise missile because they have a limited quantity (<500), the amount they would send won't impact the war in any big way, and that they cannot easily produce more of them. It is important to ask yourself what exactly the Storm Shadow missile has accomplished other than scoring a few PR victories and blowing up the odd supply dump here or there or unlucky ship anchored in Sevastopol. ADDITIONALLY, the only aircraft that could launch these missiles would probably be the Su-24, of which Ukraine has precious few. Attacking refineries and bridges are off the table because at most you'll maybe be able to get 10-20 missiles in the air while risking the entire Su-24 fleet in the process.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Look at how little their gains are while Ukies are on artillery shell shortage. There are hundreds of thousands of shells that are supposed to be delivered by the end of March.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Damn how did my post get deleted, it's not like I was spouting propaganda or something

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Personally I don't have anything against you, but mod might have thought that you were concern trolling.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mutts need to get everyone's hands dirty to forever break Europe.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Taurus is for taking out anti-air defense bunkers and shit; NAFOids want to shoot them all at a bridge. NAFOids are also generally trying to get rid of Biden and Scholz because NAFO works for russia.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There probably needs to be confidential talks with germany about what the issues are overall and how to resolve them. Cause you have on one hand germany being the biggest supporter after the US and going around everywhere throwing money around to get stuff to Ukraine, but then also is hesitant constantly with every new thing. Leopards took a while to get the okay, now Taurus is the thing in focus, pretty sure there will be something new in half a year or so. So whats going on? I don't think it's compromised politicians, cause we can see in the US how that looks like. If Germany is influenced by russian sympathisers, then most other countries in europe are even more so, or they are fricking incompetent, cause they barely do anything. Like my opinion is for germany to give Ukraine everything and let them figure it out themself. That stuff isn't doing anything useful in germany, only costs maintenance and such. Any vatnik it kills is a vatnik that can't be a problem for NATO. Then noone gets to complain cause germany will have nothing left to give and can go back to playing Factorio.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >on one hand germany being the biggest supporter after the US and going around everywhere throwing money around to get stuff to Ukraine, but then also is hesitant constantly with every new thing
      it's very simple:

      >be kraut
      >everyone gives (new item)
      >donotwant.jpg
      >oi you help out
      >excuses
      >excuses
      >excuses
      >oi get off your arse your bratwurst-gobbling dirndl-wearing beer-swilling nazi
      >OH VERY VELL ALL RIGHT YOU SCHWEINHUNDS
      >HERE ICH OF GIVINGS MORE MORE AND MORE JA! NOW FORGET ICH SLOW OKAY!

      they are basically on a national scale exactly like certain rich people who, having finally been called out, rush to donate more than everyone else in order to quash criticism of their having to be nagged to do it in the first place. or lazy colleagues who keep putting off some task or other until the boss yells at them, and then they do an exemplary (belated) job so that they can forestall future scoldings with an indignant "but look at the amazing job I did!!"

      surely you've encountered such people before?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is hesitant constantly with every new thing. Leopards took a while to get the okay, now Taurus is the thing in focus, pretty sure there will be something new in half a year or so.
        fake news.
        German government says straight no to Taurus.
        in contrast, German government said that they will only act in close cooperation with their partners for Leopards, i.e. U.S. need to supply tanks then Germany will, too.

        That even more makes it necessary to properly wrangle in the germans. They don't want to lead, so don't make them. Just create a united strategy and then germany just needs to follow. Might not be what everyone wants though since I'm sure a bunch of countries are happy that they get overlooked while everyone is nagging germany all the time. Maybe thats why germany is hesitant, cause they know its the only strategy that saves them from being bled dry of every penny. Atleast Germany is doing stuff now, can't say that for most of everyone else.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          of course it's necessary, everyone knows that; they have the biggest and best-performing economy in Europe (partly because of this selling shit to Russians and Chinese of course) and the biggest population, they will be a major player in any war as a matter of course

          it's just that nagging them to DO SHIT and then having to put up with their pissy 15yo-teenage-kid-told-to-clean-his-room attitude afterwards is a fricking pain in the neck

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >is hesitant constantly with every new thing. Leopards took a while to get the okay, now Taurus is the thing in focus, pretty sure there will be something new in half a year or so.
      fake news.
      German government says straight no to Taurus.
      in contrast, German government said that they will only act in close cooperation with their partners for Leopards, i.e. U.S. need to supply tanks then Germany will, too.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is there is a GND symbol on the side of the rocket?

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we know the war is over and we suffered the most economically out of all european countries. It is actually the first Olaf decision I can agree with since he became chancellor. Sending Taurus now changes nothing about the situation on the ground(German generals in the leaked audio aknowledge this because the land bridge from Donbass still exists after the failed Ukrainian Counter Offensive). So the evaluation is that we only have additional risks and costs but zero benefit with Taurus.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why even waste time writing something like this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        because it is true. Only other possibility is that Olaf is playing Poker with the americans just like he did with the tank shipments.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >we know the war is over
          Weird, the countries are still sending aid, and two days ago Ukraine struck two oil refining towers and there is plenty more that can be struck.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            im talking macro scale not small scale like you, yes there is still fighting going on. The problem is that Ukraines brigades got crippled in the Counter Offensive(french newspaper recently admitted this, anyone who closely tracked losses last summer knew it then obviously), so they have no more offensive potential.
            Also on the macro scale simple demographics are starting to become a problem, this was also mentioned in Marianne: Zelensky only manages to recruit like half of the 30k they need each month to keep the war going.
            So the literal only way to win this war is Nato boots on the ground and full Nato direct engagement, which is obviously impossible.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >obviously impossible
              Some magical power preventing this, or more Ukrainians getting off their asses and joining the military?
              You just sound like a typical Russian shill.
              >Counter Offensive
              Who writes like this? I have never seen any pro-Ukrainian stylize it this way.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's an esl shill, my guy, of course his writing is fricked

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am German we often capitalize nouns due to it being the grammatical rule in German Language, I am sorry if it is upsetting to read.
                The magical power preventing this is called logical reasoning. Direct engagement between Nato and Russian Troops means nuclear war. No one wants that.

                He's an esl shill, my guy, of course his writing is fricked

                Ig you can technically call me a "shill" because I am voicing german interests instead of American interests? I am just explaining "our"(the german) logic here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"our"(the german)
                Pretty sure you arent even that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am as german as they can come. My grandfather was literally SS, the only "slavic" blood in me is Prussian.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you were german you wouldnt say that shit lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                an eastern german with the communist brainrot handed down by his parents would definitely say that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fair, which would explain his moronic views

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am west german, but thanks for insulting my countrymen for their historical suffering under communism, something they surely did out of their own free will, not because it was forced on them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >sure
                Wait, youre not alex are you? That one fat homeless lolcow posting from a mcdonalds wifi?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nope, very first time posting on /k/ for me. I read on another board the pro-ukie shill situation here is insane and I wanted to test that out myself by arguing a mentally sane neutral position. And just like magic I get attacked, insulted, called a vatnik etc.
                Guess they were right.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I read on another board the pro-ukie shill situation here is insane
                >pro-ukie shill
                Would the initials of the board start with "p", end with "l", and with "o" in the middle?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you the guy who posted "we know the war is over" ? Starting with that line is exactly why you were attacked

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Neutral position
                Fricking jej

                we know the war is over and we suffered the most economically out of all european countries. It is actually the first Olaf decision I can agree with since he became chancellor. Sending Taurus now changes nothing about the situation on the ground(German generals in the leaked audio aknowledge this because the land bridge from Donbass still exists after the failed Ukrainian Counter Offensive). So the evaluation is that we only have additional risks and costs but zero benefit with Taurus.

                >The war is over
                Very neutrool.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The neutral position in any war should be negotiation to end the spilling of blood. If Ukraine has no more chances of winning due to the demographic problem I explained above, isn't that exactly a neutral position?
                You are advocating for more war and more death which is not neutral but serves one side(ironically you are serving the Russians right now because they won't mind bankrupting western economies more)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The neutral position in any war should be negotiation to end the spilling of blood.
                Jesus Christ.
                Muh "end the spilling of blood". Can we tell Russia to remove their soldiers from Ukraine, or would that inexplicably make you nervous?
                >ironically you are serving the Russians right now because they won't mind bankrupting western economies more
                How in the frick is Russia capable of "bankrupting Western economies"? You know most nations are spending frickall on the war?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot to say:
                So basically you act like a typical (pro-)Russian shill, with a thin veil of "I am actually from Germany and worried". Maybe you're just a normal guy, but you sound virtually indistinguishable from the average /misc/tard. Every single of your arguments has been heard hundreds of times before. You would have been more believable if you just stuck to the population argument. The black market shit, the "wasting money on weapons", the "concerned neutraler", it's all very typical and generic, and of course you went all out and posted it in one thread, and my senses are telling me something smells fishy around here.

                There's been many articles throughout the war spelling doom for Ukraine, they don't have this, they don't have that, and they have pulled through. Basically it's really weird how /misc/ hates the MSM yet the moment the MSM says something bad about Ukraine's situation, they rush through to suck the dick of the author of the article.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The neutral position in any war should be negotiation to end the spilling of blood.
                Thusly giving a huge preference to the attacker, mr. chamberlain

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >very first time posting on /k/ for me
                git the frick out

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Direct engagement between Nato and Russian Troops means nuclear war.
                Would Put-Put even try something like this as long as NATO troops just stay on Ukrainian land and not on Russian land?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not that shill, he sure as shit wouldnt. You think he isnt aware that russia fricked this war up by internal grifting? You think the nuclear program isnt hyper vulnerable to that kind of corruption?
                >if i have to launch and it does not launch, is not my problem

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Also, letting Putin just bully East Europe just doesn't seem logical, it can only bite you in the ass later. "Just let Putin win, let him get a lot of terrain, big political and morale victory, more workers to make money for his mansions and industry and let him rebuild his army." Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I can't tell you what goes on in monkes head, I just see official Nato troops in Ukraine as an escalation we can't take back, even if it just for training.

                Not that shill, he sure as shit wouldnt. You think he isnt aware that russia fricked this war up by internal grifting? You think the nuclear program isnt hyper vulnerable to that kind of corruption?
                >if i have to launch and it does not launch, is not my problem

                you realize the brits literally failed a missile test a few months back? This can be said about both sides.

                If you were german you wouldnt say that shit lol

                I can post censored ID and/or Grundgesetz with timestamp, if you dont believe my word it is your problem

                Also, letting Putin just bully East Europe just doesn't seem logical, it can only bite you in the ass later. "Just let Putin win, let him get a lot of terrain, big political and morale victory, more workers to make money for his mansions and industry and let him rebuild his army." Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

                we already established Ukraine can't win due to manpower problems, so you are making our only options direct war with Russia? You sound very mentally sane. Also I don't think Putin has anything more he can do after Ukraine war is finished, the remainder of the eastern bloc is in Nato.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >just give up ukies, puh please

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bit of an autistically sounding post incoming.

                >we already established Ukraine can't win due to manpower problems
                I don't know man, you are insisting we established something, I don't remember the whole board reaching a consensus. Even if you aren't a Russian shill, you sound like one. "Russia strong, everybody knows it, end of discussion". That's how you sound like. That's why I want as much high quality equipment going to Ukraine so the ratio goes in Ukraine's favour. Russia barely took a few villages when Ukies started having artillery ammo problems, so I thing Russia isn't actually that strong. Artillery ammo is supposed to be at least partially replenished by end of March. I hope the new equipment packages will keep flowing. Apparently EU is looking to give Ukraine billions from the frozen Russian assets. Russian equipment keeps getting worse and worse, looking at the golf cart assault situation. Although, to be honest, Russia also keeps spinning up its war machine, so that is worrying.
                > so you are making our only options direct war with Russia
                Better to get rid of the problem than let it fester. Admittedly, they probably wouldn't touch NATO, but I still don't want Ukraine to lose.

                Although I will admit I need to look further into the manpower thing. Got any good articles? How bad is the situation? Slightly too few new recruits, or massive shortage?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                as I said the recent Marianne article said Zelensky needs like 30-35k each month and he gets not even half of that. I have a Ukrainian refugee friend and he tells me similar stories like "I don't want to go back, they will just grab me, give me shitty training and send me to the frontlines as human meat", he also told me about Javelins being sold on the black market just weeks after the war started. I trust him, he is from western Ukraine.
                Zelensky claims what, like 45k Ukrainian casualties? Obviously that number is propaganda. Ziggers claim a similar count for Russia, that only 50k or so died. Both sides are lying.
                The real numbers are between 400k and 600k on each side, the casualty ratio is roughly 1:1. Russia can keep up these losses for longer because they have way more people. Ukraine can't. So any equipment shipment is wasted and only profits western defense companies stocks.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I have a Ukrainian refugee friend
                I have no way of verifying that, how do I know this friend of yours isn't in the room with us right now?
                >Javelins being sold on the black market
                Sounds like a typical /misc/turd argument about "le black market".
                >400k and 600k on each side
                >casualty ratio is roughly 1:1
                Doesn't sound "roughly 1:1".
                >Russia can keep up these losses for longer because they have way more people.
                That's why I want the West to get off their ass. The ratio is gonna get way better if Ukraine can easily torch Russian equipment. They will have to put their shit older tanks from storage, which are easier to defeat. If we destroy their APC fleet, mobiks will have no armor protection and we will see more golfcart assaults, which can be defeated with simple machine gun fire.
                >So any equipment shipment is wasted and only profits western defense companies stocks.
                Sounds like a typical /misc/ "why send equipment" argument. Also who the frick cares about "western defense companies stocks", if their products defend people that money is very well spent. Sounds like a left-wing/right-wing populism thing "le bad military-industrial complex, didn't you hear the Eisenhower speech? US military le bad". I would say this is the one time that they well deserve that money.
                >removing Russian military power from the planet
                >"wasted money"
                Wasted money would be if equipment was rotting in stocks doing nothing while Russia expands and solidifies their gains and power. You are denying the weapons their purpose.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I explained the german perspective to you, if you refuse to understand our perspective it is your problem, not ours. Also if both sides have about 500k~ casualties it is roughly 1:1 I gave a range instead of one number because no one knows the truth. Even Russia and Ukraine themselves can only estimate considering how small some remains of people are after artillery/bomb strikes.

                >The neutral position in any war should be negotiation to end the spilling of blood.
                Jesus Christ.
                Muh "end the spilling of blood". Can we tell Russia to remove their soldiers from Ukraine, or would that inexplicably make you nervous?
                >ironically you are serving the Russians right now because they won't mind bankrupting western economies more
                How in the frick is Russia capable of "bankrupting Western economies"? You know most nations are spending frickall on the war?

                German energy prices were the highest in Europe before the war, they have only increased since the war started. Our heavy industry is actively fleeing the country right now, which in the long term will result in the country basically bankrupting itself. No industrial base = no good country.

                >The neutral position in any war should be negotiation to end the spilling of blood.
                Thusly giving a huge preference to the attacker, mr. chamberlain

                Considering the shady nature of the Maidan and the fact that the Pentagon quietly admitted they did indeed have personal in Ukrainian biolabs before the war I would consider the attack justified. Nato promised again and again to not further disturb eastern Europe and then broke each of those promises.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >muh energy prizes
                >muh heaby indurrstries

                >shady nature of the Maidan
                >Ukrainian biolabs
                >I would consider the attack justified. Nato promised again and again to not further disturb eastern Europe and then broke each of those promises.
                HOLY SHIT HE ISN'T EVEN TRYING ANYMORE

                Put me in le ebic sgreengrab to post on /misc/ how you managed to "rile up the /k/ope".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >100% russian talking points
                >im neutral btw
                lmao, gtfo gay

                I am advocating for german economic interests and a stop to violence, if you have problems with that it is a (you) problem. The simple fact is that you can insult me all you want, we won't give the Taurus.
                Also the Pentagon had an official statement aknowledging the biolabs where old Soviet era stuff was handled. How can any russian tell the difference if the western scientists are developing new bioweapons or securing old pathogens? They can't. Hence why it was a casus belli for the monke. I don't say I am in full agreement with Russians, I am trying to open your mind to their reasoning.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                we know their reasoning; we've heard about the Azov cumpit biolabs
                >I am advocating for german economic interests
                yes yes, Germans are selfish c**ts, we know that too

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you gotta sacrifice your economy and buy shitty overpriced american LNG otherwise you are a selfish c**t
                very sane argument

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i am neutral
                >but dang man, these russians are right about all the things

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                German autism.
                >so what if our partners are dying, so what if the geopolitical situation is getting worse, I need that comfy cheap living! NUMBER MUST ALWAYS GO UP I NEED TO BUY THE FUNKO POPS AND THE ANIME PILLOWS AND THE SCAT GEAR

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                hey now, it's German quality scat gear, mind

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I need that comfy cheap living! NUMBER MUST ALWAYS GO UP I NEED TO BUY THE FUNKO POPS AND THE ANIME PILLOWS
                That's America, not Europe. Everything is expensive as frick in this hellhole.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I am advocating for german economic interests
                Sure, pidor, sure lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >german economic interests
                Just stop trying, the mask slipped the moment you started talking about le epic biolabs and le epic NATO promised although nothing was ever signed, and every other shitty argument word-for-word. You even did that in the same fricking post, sentence-after-sentence.

                >german economic interests
                Who the frick cares, stick with Europe instead of sucking the dick of an old KGB officer(that was so mediocre they relegated him to a desk job). I'm sure Europe could do some help if things started turning exceedingly dire.
                >How can any russian tell the difference if the western scientists are developing new bioweapons or securing old pathogens?
                Excuses are just that, excuses. Make up some shit you don't believe yourself that sounds plausible to a paranoid mind, and paranoid dumbasses will believe it and suck your dick. Doesn't make it a valid argument. How many biological laboratories are all over the world, is USA preparing an anti-Russian biological weapon because they have biolabs on their territory? Do you actually have any proof something like that was being done?
                >open your mind to their reasoning
                Everybody has already heard all those arguments, we've been at it for over two damn years. Nobody is convinced.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the americans did at least half the work on Covid before it slipped out of a chinese biolab. And Covid is biological weapon chimera. If you are not skeptical of everything connected to the US and biolabs after this you are extremely naive.
                I hope you guys are not vaccinated btw.

                >i am neutral
                >but dang man, these russians are right about all the things

                the literal definition of neutral is willingness to listen to the points both sides make. All your argument structure is:
                >why do you agree with literal HITLER
                not how sound and sane argumentation works, sorry.

                German autism.
                >so what if our partners are dying, so what if the geopolitical situation is getting worse, I need that comfy cheap living! NUMBER MUST ALWAYS GO UP I NEED TO BUY THE FUNKO POPS AND THE ANIME PILLOWS AND THE SCAT GEAR

                Ukraine was never our partner moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine was never our partner moron.
                Why lie?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                okay got me there, good meme bro

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the americans did at least half the work on Covid before it slipped out of a chinese biolab. And Covid is biological weapon chimera. If you are not skeptical of everything connected to the US and biolabs after this you are extremely naive.
                Le US is as bad as le Russia.
                >I hope you guys are not vaccinated btw.
                Anti-vaccination schizo garbage. Mathematically proven it's good for you but you're moronic.

                I know it's an hour long video, but watch it. /misc/ and related websites are not your friend. They're full of fallacious thinking and pseudo-science. Pseudo meaning, it's not real science, it just sounds like one. You're being duped into believing fake things that profit certain kinds of people, and morons spread the fake message even for free. There are tons of fake pictures and fake accounts on the web that are trying to steer you towards being angry at certain types of people and certain political policies using outrage against things that are misinterpreted or straight up not happening.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i know more about the vaccine than you do, i guarantee that. Why did they call it mRNA when it was modRNA btw? Hmmm, guess someone fell for their own propaganda...
                Also the US literally killed between 150k and 1 million Iraqi civilians and you are trying to morally grandstand. LOL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i know more about the vaccine than you do, i guarantee that. Why did they call it mRNA when it was modRNA btw? Hmmm, guess someone fell for their own propaganda...
                Oh, a PrepHole moron trying to tell me how he knows more than the scientists(who are all over the world on the agenda, somehow) for the millionth time huffing farts about how smart he is, look, he even used an ellipse at the end of his sentence, he is thinking so fricking hard much brains hmmmm
                >Also the US literally killed between 150k and 1 million Iraqi civilians and you are trying to morally grandstand. LOL
                whataboot
                Shouldn't have pissed off the US. If you piss off the US shit happens, but the point is if you didn't start, it wouldn't happen. Shit happens in war moron. Implying the enemies of the United States never do bad shit to civilians.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                in a few years you will get an aggressive cancer and you will get the new injections against it like a good goy. Then you will still die from it. The magic word is p53.
                Also I like how you went from "Evil dictator Putin invaded innocent Ukraine" to "150k to a million civilian deaths are their fault for fricking with the US".

                Buddy, the point is they're protesting to protect brown invaders.

                the point is that those are a minority, the last 20-25% of the country that vote green and socdem. Literally over 50% of the country are TND pilled at this point, germans just have weird autism where we take the bad thing for a very long time and then violently lash out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Also I like how you went from "Evil dictator Putin invaded innocent Ukraine" to "150k to a million civilian deaths are their fault for fricking with the US".
                Yes moron, we don't let evil people win just because there might be some casualties so we will let evil people do whatever they want. In the long run, it's just better to get rid of evil people and their armies.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >muh 150k
                And most of them were killed by other Iraqis and not the US.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so just so i get it right: Nato does warcrime = based, Russia does warcrime = literally Hitler?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                found the tourist

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                literally said above im a tourist moron, first time on /k/.

                >alex

                none of my names is Alex

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I see that wherever youre stealing wifi from hasnt booted you yet, impressive

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am sitting at home, if you got the NSA/NRO backdoor to PrepHole IPs come visit me american glowie, you can tongue my butthole.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Is it the mcdonalds again?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I only speak the truth. I am actually at home and I actually want you to tongue my anus. Hope you got your booster shot glowie, gotta be safe from the next wave.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Except we have been told many times, by many different Russian officials why the war started
                >We did it to protect Russian speakers
                >We did it to protect Russian citizens
                >We did it to protect the Separatist states
                >We did it to defeat the Nazis
                >We did it to fight the terrorists
                >We did it to fight the Banderite regime
                >We did it to fight the coup'd Ukrainian illegitimate government
                >We did it to prevent NATO expanding their borders
                >We did it to prevent nukes being placed in Ukraine
                >We did it to prevent a war from starting in Ukraine (and there is no war there right now)
                >We did it to prevent Ukraine joining NATO
                Biolabs isn't even close to top 5 reasons why they did it. It's just an excuse. We know the real reason; the ability to shut down the potential alternative fuel supply to Europe via Ukraine and to restore the USSR under a different title. They literally admitted this on the 24th Feb, 2022.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >actual unironic oblastposting

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                all I hear so far is unironic vatnik shill accusations. Zero arguments why the demographic problem now also being discussed in western media is wrong. Zero arguments why Germany putting their interests first is wrong, except for "stop being selfish". You guys have zero arguments.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                German interests haven't been a priority for decades, then stop makin shit up when talking about Ukraine. You flooded your country with turks and other brown masses, shut down nuclear plants and forced cancerous green ideology laws for a whole EU, ruining European industries, but when it comes to sending munitions to a country that fights Russia then you use that pathetic excuse.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                who did that? the german people or our insane controlled politicians? Also brown masses flooding is literal Soros agenda, an AMERICAN israelite.

                >Ukrainian biolabs
                >I would consider the attack justified
                I hereby revoke your benefit of doubt. This is not neutral. At best, you are a useful idiot who eats propaganda and rolls over for aggressive dictators.

                [...]
                >I am trying to open your mind to their reasoning.
                This "reasoning" is lying garbage. Biolab moron. We know every one of the Russian excuses for why they invaded in 2014 and why they invaded in 2022. They're all bunk.

                >zero arguments again just calling me a vatnik
                keep it up bro

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >da JOOOOOOOOS
                Ya gotta go back polestinian

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                try harder bro
                >why do you not listen to Putin's arguments, he has lied 9 times out of 10 but believe him now please
                Also no homosexual, the "balanced" argumentation already happened, people are just too lazy to write it for the 100th time. We've heard the arguments, debunked them, and now you are trying to restart the conversation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Here are your German people. They'd rather destroy their country than vote for "nazi" party.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what caused these protests? Since you are an expert on german issues you surely can tell me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                "a report that extremists recently met to discuss the deportation of millions of immigrants, including some with Geman citizenship"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                did you know those "extremists" included 5 conservative politicians, but only 4 AFD politicians(our "evil nazi party"), I wonder why they only used the protests to go against AFD but not against our conservatives...
                Hmmmm, really makes you think, huh?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Buddy, the point is they're protesting to protect brown invaders.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Read the text at the bottom or use google.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >IT'S DA JOOS
                You forgot to mention trannies

                >I'm neutral
                >biolabs
                like clockwork, please provide a photo of your passport with a timestamp

                post it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm neutral
                >biolabs
                like clockwork, please provide a photo of your passport with a timestamp

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >alex

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >German fifth columnist commie posts in /k/ pretending to be neutrool.
                Fricking kek. I can't wait till you all fifth columnists get sudoku'd to the back of the head.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i am pretty much the exact opposite of a commie, I reject most collectivist shit. I want strong german economy not dependant on pig americans again, so we can prosper in individual freedom.

                Well good luck after you get drafted when puccia takes over the baltics, you will be the finest soldier in the first line of defence on the Oder.

                I will just frag the officers in basic training if I get drafted.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >frag
                Implying you will get one with the current state of bundeswehr, get the shovel and dig the fricking trench.
                Also I'm sure your economy will be great under your russian overlords. Reminder that Berlin is rightful soviet clay.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                our economy will run better on cheaper gas, thanks for being able to do that calculation, you are very smart.
                Do you think I am offended by the state of our army? I couldn't give a frick, soldiers are bootlicker pigs no matter which nation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you think I am offended by the state of our army?
                No I was only implying there won't be to much resistance.
                >our economy will run better on cheaper gas
                Based! Frick american pigs, russian wiener tastes much better anyway. Like the good old days before 1990.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >not being the US vassal cuck means you must be someone elses cuck
                we will be free and pay the russians a fair price for their gas, that is it. Keep coping though glowie, I love it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >not being the US vassal cuck means you must be someone elses cuck
                You don't understand that you are a pawn and not one of the sides in all this. You only get to choose where you stand.
                >we will be free
                No you won't, if you really think russia is the alternative and will let you live your life like you want to you are delusional. Well I'll enjoy my life under pig americans that you hate so much. You enjoy whatever the frick you like, do what you want not my business. I just think you are a clueless moron that's all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                well I explained the german position in this thread and all I got was accusations of sucking russian wiener and seething why we don't ruin our economy further for Daddy America.
                And now you think I will respect you when you tell me we can't be free? What part of the memo did you not get? I already told you we will be free and you can't do shit about it, because your Dollar is weak and all your old allies are slowly realizing that the multipolar world is the future.
                So literally seethe dilate and cry more mutt troony

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Black person you are not even talking to an american. I don't need your respect. I hope we never meet in person. You seem like a mentally deranged social outcast with your sudden outbursts of /misc/ delusions.
                >We will be free
                Wishful thinking won't help you. Anon if it was up to me we would all be free and just prosper. But it doesn't work like that. If you fail to see what I try to convey, so be it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You fail to see the upcoming multipolar world. It is that simple. What are you then, Brit? You keep telling me my country needs to be good pawns for america because our only alternative is being russian pawns, I simply disagree.
                So go seethe more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >What are you then, Brit?
                No, one of your neighbors.
                >You keep telling me my country needs to be good pawns
                Holy shit you are a dumb fricking gorilla Black person.
                Keep spouting more buzzwords like a good conditioned dog that you are.
                >I simply disagree
                Good, let's just fricking stop here there is no point continuing this talk. It's not like we will convince each other Good luck anon, enjoy the rest of your evening. I'm out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you used the term pawn first don't accuse me of using buzzwords now moron.
                If you are one of our neighbors you most likely have some remaining rape DNA from my grandpa, you are welcome.
                How about you stop replying then homosexual?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hold your horses there Hans. Your grandma took miles of superior siberian wiener while your grandfather starved in some gulag POW camp. Still more action than you will ever see.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                my grandfather literally walked out of the POW camp because the brits were too moronic to stand guard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sure alex, sure

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >alex is still posting
                Im amazed you havent been booted yet, mcds is getting way more tolerant than they used to be

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well good luck after you get drafted when puccia takes over the baltics, you will be the finest soldier in the first line of defence on the Oder.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm neutral
                >biolabs
                like clockwork, please provide a photo of your passport with a timestamp

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >100% russian talking points
                >im neutral btw
                lmao, gtfo gay

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukrainian biolabs
                >I would consider the attack justified
                I hereby revoke your benefit of doubt. This is not neutral. At best, you are a useful idiot who eats propaganda and rolls over for aggressive dictators.

                [...]
                I am advocating for german economic interests and a stop to violence, if you have problems with that it is a (you) problem. The simple fact is that you can insult me all you want, we won't give the Taurus.
                Also the Pentagon had an official statement aknowledging the biolabs where old Soviet era stuff was handled. How can any russian tell the difference if the western scientists are developing new bioweapons or securing old pathogens? They can't. Hence why it was a casus belli for the monke. I don't say I am in full agreement with Russians, I am trying to open your mind to their reasoning.

                >I am trying to open your mind to their reasoning.
                This "reasoning" is lying garbage. Biolab moron. We know every one of the Russian excuses for why they invaded in 2014 and why they invaded in 2022. They're all bunk.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the brits literally failed a missile test a few months back? This can be said about both sides.
                Trident failure rate is a lot less than whatever the frick the Russians have been up to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      germany has suffered the most in the last couple of years not because of the war, but because of incompetent politicians all the way back to merkel
      financing TZD is the only good thing this countrys government has done in a long time

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Overwhelming german autism.
    They're so scared to do anything offensive, they're practically shaking, like a dog up against a vacuum cleaner. In this case the hoover is russian threats and mean words, very loud very angry, very "dangerous", and the germans take it at face value.

    The missile itself would be a souped up Storm Shadow as far as i understand with longer range. Long enough to reach the Kerch bridge and make a nice impact on it.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Warriortard used to annoy me. And that's his reason to live.
    He's been mocked openly on any site that does not allow anonymity. Whether it be wikipedia, touhou chat rooms (his favourite retro game), twitter, etc, etc...
    He's not lying when he says he loves this place. And this is the point.
    Anytime he annoys you, do something you enjoy. Go plinking, call the lads and do some lamping, take your wife/gf out for meal. In short, do the things he can't, and never will. Don't let yourself become the sad, lonely, individual who has made ragebaiting his life.

    tl:dr dubs decides what the British did to him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He got mogged by a beefeater on vacation

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no deal. Germany just doesn't want to give it to has made excuses why they can't
    >We won't until others do it
    >UK does it
    >We won't until other European members does it
    >France does it
    >We won't until USA gives ATACAMS
    >USA does it
    >We won't because it is a 'bridge killer'
    >Is only 30kg heavier warhead size than Storm Shadow and the claim that the warhead was somehow better at killing bridges is false
    >We won't because we'll have to put German troops in Ukraine to use it, UK is doing that right now! They're WAR MONGERS!!!!! We're REASONABLE!!!!
    >Ignoring that this isn't how it works, ignores France and ignores that the UK has said it has had troops since the start
    >Well we can't do it because we have to be reasonable and not extend the war to NATO!
    >Ignoring Russia won't do shit
    It's lies upon lies upon lies.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's all so fricking tiresome

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It is. I have no idea why Germany cannot just say
        >We don't have a lot of these, we don't want to use them up. They are for our own defence.
        Rather than
        >We will if
        And then every time 'if' happens, they make another reason why they can't. Just be honest.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    germans are understandably paranoid about helping contribute to a broader european war given how the last one went. germans may sell their weapons under the table to many violent countries, but the core of their pacifism comes from the horrors of ww2. they support the democracy and euro-aspect of ukraine, but that has its limits. they also are feeling the combined idiocy of shutting all their reactors down, increasing their reliance on coal, and cutting off their cheap gas (russia) and they want to be able to revive some of their struggling industries after this war by not completely burning bridges with russia.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ALMONGUUUUUU AKBAR! - the German
    ALMONGUUUUUU AKBAR! - the Anglo
    ALMONGUUUUUU AKBAR! - the Frenchman

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has 20% Muslim population.

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