This stuff is shill replant. Early war they came out of the wood work about sending junk and infinite tanks. Now its confirmed T-54 and two years if everything can be brought back. Got an absolute kick out of seen russians scrap old tanks in the video. Should be a lesson to any nation thinking of scrapping things. Cancel Victim Viper and F-117 disposal.
The US has enough shit that scrapping and saving the maintenance money will allow them to buy even more new shit. If you get to the point where your army has to field hardware that should have been retired years ago, you should just give up kek
In practice Puccia will be lucky if they can revive half of these, because it doesn't really account for the state of the electronics, engine, etc. in these revival candidates.
>In practice Puccia will be lucky if they can revive half of these, because it doesn't really account for the state of the electronics, engine, etc. in these revival candidates.
That's what I figured. You're not going to send T-62's and now T-54's into frontline combat if you have a hundreds of T-72's, T-80's and T-90's in working condition sitting back there. In all likelihood they are refurbishing whatever is easiest to get working with a priority on modern tanks so the fact that older tanks are being refurbished ahead of them probably means that those modern tanks need quite a lot of work.
Latest clack from the Uralvagonzavod plant is that Puccia can revive, at most, 9 tanks from their rustheaps every month there if they're lucky, in practice the number they can fix is variable at best. Ditto for the other two tank revival plants they set up. And even if they functioned at theoretical max, that would still only mean 243 tanks being revived per year, we'll be generous and say they can reactivate 150 every year in total plus the 20 or so monkey model tanks that can be produced from scratch at UVZ itself. Since Puccia loses 170+ tanks a month on most months, you can see how this is nowhere near being able to save them as far as replacing losses goes.
Isn't it pretty pointless to have this rustyard sitting around? Why not just melt them down to get back some of the metal?
1 year ago
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even doing that costs money, and in bases like that one the bosses probably sold the missing engines, electronics, oil etc and continue to lie about it 20+ years after the fact. The inspectors come every few years, the bosses get them drunk, the form gets filled out saying BASE IS WORKINK ACCORDING TO PLAN and then the inspectors leave with a hangover and a blowjob, the bosses go back to sleeping all day and drinking all night.
1 year ago
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Steel is easy. Every vehicle in those pics has some usable parts. Heavy equipment can sit a very long time in horrible conditions. However harvesting and cleaning up those parts is labor intensive and Russia isn't China with hordes of manpower.
BTW the pull-a-part analogy is on point. Most vehicles in (non-Rust Belt because sheet metal) salvage yards got there because either the engine or transmission died. They are beyond economic repair (though many such bought at auction are exported and repaired overseas where labor is cheap) for their owners. The Russian AFV stockpile will mostly have been parked in running condition. Those that won't start or drive with basic work (batteries, fresh fuel etc) will be deadlined by probably one fricked system. Fixing that is labor intensive and Russian mechanics will be very busy with the war. You can repair range hulks with time and money and even weld one tank from two halves but it's not worth it.
I was under the impression that they have 1(one) facility that can refurb t72 platforms in Uvz that was already at max capacity trying to pump out t90Ms, but activated another facility that can work on t62/t55/t64/t80s(obviously they don’t have the latter two stores in any serious numbers)
>You're not going to send T-62's and now T-54's into frontline combat if you have a hundreds of T-72's, T-80's and T-90's in working condition sitting back there.
/thread
>not going to send in T-54/T-62s if you have T-72s waiting
Given the war and the lethality of the munitions in play, I'd probably send in the T-54s just to try and tease out as many Javelins, TOWs, Kornets, sabots and so forth as possible since noone is going to NOT use those on tanks, regardless if they could use 40 year old HEAT and smaller RPGs to achieve the same kills.
Which might actually be a sound strategy if it was just Russia vs Ukraine and Ukraine wasn't being supplied new ammo and munitions outside their own budget.
Russia just proves it has no actual value on human life.
>I'd probably send in the T-54s just to try and tease out as many Javelins, TOWs, Kornets, sabots and so forth
ive never understood this zapp branagan tier idea i thought it was a joke but people unironically believe this
Honestly many of these bad tanks are simply not tanks anymore and just scrap metal. The picture he showed in the video of a tank in bas condition, with the turret so corroded that it was blocked and beyond saving, is not a 'bad' tank. It's just no longer a tank at all. It's scrap metal.
Honnestly I like this guy but I wouldnt waste my time doing that. He even says himself that its hard to count even when he spunds hundreds of bucks into sattelite pictures. You don't know anything about the state of the tank besides if its rusting or not. You don't know if the engine is still okay, if the electronics or transmission is still usable.
looks like the leak about Russia suing t-54 had some teeth to it. They seem to have plenty of T-72, but would rather not lose the hulls of an non upgraded T-72. Instead they send there cannon fodder in the worst possible unupgraded vehicle
if these numbers are accurate. Then even though it's still quite a lot, definitely nothing close to the "infinite" number some people try to portray Russia's stockpiles as
>do they still have any of that?
Don't think so or else they would actually be building T-14 tanks, Kurganets-25 IFV's, 2S35 SPG's and Su-57 fighter jets. I suspect that most of their military industrial complex has been built around going into the backyard, taking an old Soviet hull and either refurbishing it or cobbling it into something semi-new like the BMPT Terminator.
Even that might be a bit much in some cases, take said Terminator, it's a T-72 tank with ATGM's and an autocannon on top. It received a bit of foreign interest, a few countries placed orders and there was just delay after delay until they all cancelled like a decade later. Algeria was supposed to have 300 of the things but even the Russians apparently only have a handful... again, it is just a T-72 with a new turret.
It seems like up until the sanctions the only thing they could reliably provide in numbers were cold war era hulls with a new coat of paint and western electronics and optics integrated in. No wonder Russian stuff is cheap, they aren't building it.
no their t-14 is mostly made up of a shell of a soviet tank with a bunch of ali-express tier imported components.
I meant the shit they were, from the START, once able to just make on their own.
Is this an estimate of how many good (refurbishable) hulls there are in storage? I thought Russia had 15k tanks total, with 3000 ready for the invasion… out of the remaining 12k tanks, you’re telling me they only have 4K that can be put into service? Or is this the current number of reviewable tanks after the past year of warfare
We don't know how many tanks Russia has. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks Russia can activate. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks can be made working via cannibalisation. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks can be made working into 'monkey models'. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks can be recycled and turned into other tanks one way or another. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks they can produce a year - new - from their factories. They lie.
Half the reason nobody messed with Russia is they'd go onto GlobalFirepower and see '12,000 tanks' and go 'WOW SO STRONG' and that's it. Appear strong when weak, appear weak when strong yadda yadda. Furthermore, we know Russia lies about even the most mundane stuff. For example, the Russian government department for census reading stated there were X million people in Y region. Putin did an interview where he stated there were X million people in Y region. A figure like 50% lower than the 'official' statistics. In short, it has long been believed even the 'official' population number of 140m in Russia is actually more like 80m-120m (depending on varying estimates on a wide range). So if they lie about something like population which in the grand scheme of things is not relevant to their appearance as a great power... what would they do about their MILITARY?
But even if they lie, don’t we have satellites to at least confirm raw numbers? And we have visual proof of X number of tank losses at least. So assuming Russia hasn’t been understating their total tanks, can’t we at least get a theoretical high end estimate for total tanks (in service and storage)????
>But even if they lie, don’t we have satellites to at least confirm raw numbers?
Watch Covert Cabal. Even the best commercial civilian satellites available only allow you to see how many tank hulls with turrets still attached they have. It's usually impossible to tell what type of tank you're looking at given the resolution, and even if it is possible, there is literally no way to know if it isn't *completely* gutted on the inside like a WW2 museum piece, for theft or legitimate cannibalization. NATO knows more of course, but they aren't sharing their military satellite data, except maybe partially with Ukrainians.
Russia doesn't know how many they can fix until they try. How many they have to fix vs. junkers can only be known by trying to start each one after a cursory inspection of fluids etc then ops checking each system. Batteries alone will be a limfac. They're expensive but Russia do manufacture them.
This is basic heavy equipment mechanic shit because military vehicles aren't special. A tank is whatever model it started life as. There is no definition for "monkey models" in any strict sense so don't use the term.
Any tank hull not destroyed can be refurbished. What matters is cost and available spares and production line capacity. If you have mechanics (they are easy to train, working on military equipment is not difficult), warehouse space and a decent welding and fab shop to make tools and refurb some parts you're half way there. A basic electrical shop can do charging systems, repair wiring harness or build it (you need connectors etc) you're good.
What Russia won't have is money and access to many parts it cannot produce since their production lines ended long ago. Any line can be built again but that shit is time consuming and much of the Soviet industrial base was in Ukraine.
>Is this an estimate of how many good (refurbishable) hulls there are in storage?
Yes. The 2023 in that pic is just because the video lists 2022 numbers as well (4696 tanks total then). It's also done via satellite imagery so it could very well be less that could be brought back into service. Only about 1000 of the tanks are stored indoors, or outdoors hooked up to a system for controlling humidity inside the tanks.
>I thought Russia had 15k tanks total
The video covers how that number is wrong.
Tanks aren’t doing much in this war. They appear mostly to just sit somewhere waiting to be blown up, or move around in the rear, get spotted by drones etc and also get destroyed.
But, not doing much doesn’t mean doing NOTHING. So Russia is bringing out these ancient junkers. Putin is probably flogging the military relentlessly so everyone has to at least be seen doing work for the benefit of the war. So it’s a positive career move to show big numbers on their reports. Various factors involved, not just — or even mainly — about military performance.
That tends to happen when you neglect your infantry to the point of them looking worse off than Rangers from the Metro 2033 universe and your Air Force/Air Defense can't contest control of the airspace, allowing Ukrainian drones to operate with virtual impunity.
We call it "combined arms" for a reason. If one element stops working, all of it stops working.
There was the Russian leak a month back or so that showed they were pretty much stuck “modernizing” T-55’s and older tanks because they simply lack the capacity to refurbish tanks with advanced electronics (T-64 and beyond). Whereas rusty T-55s “just” need new treads, gaskets, de-rusting, etc.
So we can reasonably expect you to see more dumb artillery and early Cold War relics coming into service on the Vatnik side. By the time Abrams are at the front line, the enemy will be fielding T-34 obr.2024
>decide to look up what the difference between the T-64 and T-55 would be >T-64 models in the 70s started to include laser rangefinders, crosswind sensors, and ballistic computers, while the T-55 didn't
So is this a problem of Russia simply not having the parts on hand to repair these old electronics, or has Russia regressed to the point where laser rangefinders and ballistic computers are now lost technology that they can't produce themselves?
Globalization has made specialization rather lucrative, which means an embargo from the collective west or east is VERY disruptive. This applies to basically any country, though a turd world shithole like Puccia is especially vulnerable. Electronics in general are going to be difficult for Russia to produce. Hell, even simple things like ball bearings will be difficult for them to get. Mind you it won’t be impossible, but globalization and specialization mean Russia was I’ll prepared to produce its machines of war without outside help
>has Russia regressed to the point where laser rangefinders and ballistic computers are now lost technology that they can't produce themselves?
in soviet era this kind of technology came from eastern germany and eastern europe, this technology was lost with the fall of the Berlin wall
Electronics can be replaced with cinese junk, advanced quality optics is only produced in the west and now under sanctions.
They aren't going to have a lot of spares on hand for 50 year old assemblies that were long ago made obsolete. Nobody was making them. Just like you cant buy a brand new original gameboy. When something goes out of production is can be hard and expensive to start making it again.
But globalization also destroyed their domestic industry. Russia has never had a particularly good electronics industry. They were backwards in the time of the Czars and during Soviet times their advancements mostly came after getting their hands on western tech. When the F-14 and F-15 were using microprocessors, the MiG-25 was still using vacuum tubes. When the cold war ended and they were exposed to the superior western electronics market their domestic industry collapsed almost over night. Nobody wants to buy shitty IC's made in an old Soviet factory. Ironically Russia did become one of the main global suppliers of vacuum tubes for things like guitar amps since they still had working factories.
Russia had a certain level of domestic electronics capacity 30 years ago. Its mostly gone, there are some exceptions. But they can't make a modern thermal sight or a modern radar with home grown components. So they have to rely on the Chinese pretty hard to make up for it. That's why you are seeing old Soviet electronics with aliexpress bodge job repairs.
IS-2 and IS-3, oh and T-10 (IS-10)
And lots of armored and mechanized vehicles can be pressed into service and Black personrigged to have some sort of heavy weaponry. Like the stupid naval turret mounted on an APC. Frick, I wish I had a picture. I think it was the L-something?? Lol, Puccia desperation is getting delicious.
This is basically like taking a picture of a pull a part or junkyard and claiming that since you see 200 cars they have 200 working units they can field. Its not how shit works.
Exactly. What is the fricking point? Even if they do acknowledge the fact many of them are going to be rusted out hulks they will just pull some bullshit out their ass like saying half of them would be easy to get running again or some other bullshit claim.
Go frick yourself. Im just tired of seeing this dumb shit spammed whenever some know nothing butthole makes yet another video about it. How many rusted out husks they have rotting in a field is far less important than the condition they are in and having the industrial capacity to get them into working order neither of which you can gauge from a fricking satellite image you moron.
The only facts you can pull from that shit is how much steel is wasting away in a field. You cant draw any other real conclusions from it.
1 year ago
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based
>they will just pull some bullshit out their ass like saying
Seems you care more for what people say than for facts you can see for yourself
Hmmm
homosexual shill
1 year ago
Anonymous
Go frick yourself. Im just tired of seeing this dumb shit spammed whenever some know nothing butthole makes yet another video about it. How many rusted out husks they have rotting in a field is far less important than the condition they are in and having the industrial capacity to get them into working order neither of which you can gauge from a fricking satellite image you moron.
The only facts you can pull from that shit is how much steel is wasting away in a field. You cant draw any other real conclusions from it.
The video actually gives good information and differentiates between maintained equipment and rotting husk, but you wouldn't know that because you decided to sperg first, assume later, and continue knowing nothing
so frankly, there's no point for you watching, it's wasted on the hollow vaults of your echoing skull.
go away and stay ignorant.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>m-maybe if I try reverse psychology
kek
I wonder why this guy started melting down as soon as I called him a shill, hmmmm
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if I call him a shill I can mask my presumptuous ignorance
1 year ago
Anonymous
Continue proving my point, it only gets funnier the more you do it without realizing
1 year ago
Anonymous
>tries desperately over and over to defend erroneously prejudging something before even skimming it
what's funny is that I don't have to prove anything, your stupidity screams for itself
1 year ago
Anonymous
>tries desperately over and over
He still doesn't realize it, kek. Keep seething, shill
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is my first reply in this thread. You sound like a colossal homosexual, it would've been better if you never replied.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>My super speshul videos are way betterer than all the other ones guyz! I am ways more smarter and well imformed than the rest!
Its all fricking speculation and the numbers are pulled out their ass in EVERY fricking video. There is no accurate information about any of those goddamn husks. The only thing you can tell is how many there were and how many were pulled off the field and that tells you NOTHING because even if they pull a tank off the field it doesnt mean they did it to put it into service or that they CAN put it into service. It only tells you its gone somewhere else.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>There is no accurate information about any of those goddamn husks
lol >that tells you NOTHING
lmao even
I don't want to waste my time on obstinate fools, do you actually want to know, or like
>tries desperately over and over
He still doesn't realize it, kek. Keep seething, shill
here do you want to triple down on insisting on refusing to learn?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>l-lol, l-lmao
kek and he's using twitter memes to cope as well
I have never seen anything have this much of a nervous breakdown over being called a shill
Gonna go back to work, have fun trying to get people to watch your videos, shill
1 year ago
Anonymous
>ignorance successfully defended
Then fricking enlighten us on what information you can derive from images of a junkyard without pulling a bunch of bullshit out of your ass. Give us some concrete info on how many tanks are being refurbished and put into service from satellite images alone without making a bunch of assumptions.
You cant because its not fricking possible. All of these count the husk videos are a fricking joke.
I'll drop you just one: in this video he can more clearly see which ones are left to rot and which ones are maintained
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I'll drop you just one: in this video he can more clearly see which ones are left to rot and which ones are maintained
You can ASSUME that its being maintained because its not rusted out and in bits but in no fricking way can you tell if its "maintained" to a working standard. Ill tell you this though. Its not. These fields are not for storing working battle ready tanks. They are for storing surplus in the long term and are not kept to any reasonable standard of maintenance. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them needs an overhaul before it can be fielded. No exceptions. Especially now considering they are over a year into their 3 day special operation and anything that was in any reasonable working order has long since been pulled.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You can ASSUME that its being maintained because its not rusted out and in bits
There are other ways
It's in the video 😉
Honestly, this update was quite interesting, so I'm just rolling my eyes at people here who can oh-so-confidently dunk on something they've never seen. Shit on him all you like AFTER watching it, be my guest, but to do it BEFORE... that's moronicly presumptuous.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I echo this anon's recommendation to actually watch the video before shitting one it. This video should be quite heartening for Western and pro-Ukrainian audiences - "Good" used here is a very generous upper bound. The Russians stockpiles are not "12000 tanks" it's more like maybe 4000.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Then fricking enlighten us on what information you can derive from images of a junkyard without pulling a bunch of bullshit out of your ass. Give us some concrete info on how many tanks are being refurbished and put into service from satellite images alone without making a bunch of assumptions.
You cant because its not fricking possible. All of these count the husk videos are a fricking joke.
It's really quite simple: >be a know-it-all c**t >confidently dunk on something despite knowing nothing >bluster and bluff when called out (see again: c**ty behaviour) >never admit ever being wrong >retreat into anonymity and continue projecting an image of knowing it all
Instantly discredits himself by citing Or5yx without citing that Oryx himself says that the losses are JUST those that have been geolocated and verified, that's just a fraction of total Russian losses. He does not mention once that these vehicles have mostly already been stripped for export part sales or spares and due to corruption stripped of anything with value such as wiring looms.
This is your daily reminder that the government is turning autistic men into troons so they'll kill themselves instead of noticing. Autistic people are good at noticing things like that, we recognize patterns better than any other type of human.
There is no such thing as autism. You are welcome. It is a blanket term that can mean almost anything. There is no such valid diagnosis as Asperger's. You can diagnose intellectual disability and the brain but you cannot diagnose bullshit for helicopter parents who can't accept their child is not remarkable in any way and want to drug it. There is zero implication that people who have been arbitrarily classified as autistic have any particular ability to do anything
There is no such thing as autism. You are welcome. It is a blanket term that can mean almost anything. There is no such valid diagnosis as Asperger's. You can diagnose intellectual disability and the brain but you cannot diagnose bullshit for helicopter parents who can't accept their child is not remarkable in any way and want to drug it. There is zero implication that people who have been arbitrarily classified as autistic have any particular ability to do anything
Again, there is no such thing as autism. At best it is a marketing term for an industry. Clinically iot means whatever you want it to and I can point a finger at anyone and call them 'Autistic' and make it sound plausible. I love America but it has tragically monetarized childhood medicine, care and pharmacology to the point of creating 'diagnosis' that can be used to make profit off any child sucked into this nonsense. There is nothing wrong with you and you have been lied to and about for money. Don't bother listening though after all you are 'special' now and I'm taking that away? Right?. You are just a mediocre average moron. Most people are.
IQ tests vary based on practise and have limited utility other than allowing standardised comparisons. The most interesting aspect of them in in demonstrating the reversal of the flynn effect, that is that the milennium generation in the US is less capable of demonstrating intelligence (not the phrasing) and that the US zoomer generation is on average even less capable of demonstrating intelligence. One way of thinking of this is dumb and dumber. One way of thinking about autism, particularly in the literature applied to US childhood interventions is what I think of as 'bullshit'
Autists dont "nootice" shit. They're just much more likely to have extremist views and easier to be radicalized regardless of ideology (left-wing, right-wing, climate-activism, fandoms, etc...)
Because 1. You're much more susceptible to manipulation. 2. You see things and the world much more in black-and-white (X is good! Y is Evil! Everything bad in the world comes from Y!
My country kept around 100 M60 in some open ground for more than a decade. When I did my military service, they were trying to repair them to sell them to some shitty country. Only 15 were operational after too much work and repairs.
If those tanks have been there, I dont know, more than 20 years, they are mostly fricked beyond salvation.
This stuff is shill replant. Early war they came out of the wood work about sending junk and infinite tanks. Now its confirmed T-54 and two years if everything can be brought back. Got an absolute kick out of seen russians scrap old tanks in the video. Should be a lesson to any nation thinking of scrapping things. Cancel Victim Viper and F-117 disposal.
The US has enough shit that scrapping and saving the maintenance money will allow them to buy even more new shit. If you get to the point where your army has to field hardware that should have been retired years ago, you should just give up kek
In practice Puccia will be lucky if they can revive half of these, because it doesn't really account for the state of the electronics, engine, etc. in these revival candidates.
>In practice Puccia will be lucky if they can revive half of these, because it doesn't really account for the state of the electronics, engine, etc. in these revival candidates.
That's what I figured. You're not going to send T-62's and now T-54's into frontline combat if you have a hundreds of T-72's, T-80's and T-90's in working condition sitting back there. In all likelihood they are refurbishing whatever is easiest to get working with a priority on modern tanks so the fact that older tanks are being refurbished ahead of them probably means that those modern tanks need quite a lot of work.
Latest clack from the Uralvagonzavod plant is that Puccia can revive, at most, 9 tanks from their rustheaps every month there if they're lucky, in practice the number they can fix is variable at best. Ditto for the other two tank revival plants they set up. And even if they functioned at theoretical max, that would still only mean 243 tanks being revived per year, we'll be generous and say they can reactivate 150 every year in total plus the 20 or so monkey model tanks that can be produced from scratch at UVZ itself. Since Puccia loses 170+ tanks a month on most months, you can see how this is nowhere near being able to save them as far as replacing losses goes.
Whoops I mathed wrong, it should be 324 tanks per year and ~200 actual revivals in practice. For some reason I used 8 and not 9.
I think this is the most important part. Total number of rusty hulls is irrelevant.
Silly notions about activating old tanks aside
Isn't it pretty pointless to have this rustyard sitting around? Why not just melt them down to get back some of the metal?
even doing that costs money, and in bases like that one the bosses probably sold the missing engines, electronics, oil etc and continue to lie about it 20+ years after the fact. The inspectors come every few years, the bosses get them drunk, the form gets filled out saying BASE IS WORKINK ACCORDING TO PLAN and then the inspectors leave with a hangover and a blowjob, the bosses go back to sleeping all day and drinking all night.
Steel is easy. Every vehicle in those pics has some usable parts. Heavy equipment can sit a very long time in horrible conditions. However harvesting and cleaning up those parts is labor intensive and Russia isn't China with hordes of manpower.
BTW the pull-a-part analogy is on point. Most vehicles in (non-Rust Belt because sheet metal) salvage yards got there because either the engine or transmission died. They are beyond economic repair (though many such bought at auction are exported and repaired overseas where labor is cheap) for their owners. The Russian AFV stockpile will mostly have been parked in running condition. Those that won't start or drive with basic work (batteries, fresh fuel etc) will be deadlined by probably one fricked system. Fixing that is labor intensive and Russian mechanics will be very busy with the war. You can repair range hulks with time and money and even weld one tank from two halves but it's not worth it.
I was under the impression that they have 1(one) facility that can refurb t72 platforms in Uvz that was already at max capacity trying to pump out t90Ms, but activated another facility that can work on t62/t55/t64/t80s(obviously they don’t have the latter two stores in any serious numbers)
yes, but that's two more facilities, not just one.
>You're not going to send T-62's and now T-54's into frontline combat if you have a hundreds of T-72's, T-80's and T-90's in working condition sitting back there.
/thread
>not going to send in T-54/T-62s if you have T-72s waiting
Given the war and the lethality of the munitions in play, I'd probably send in the T-54s just to try and tease out as many Javelins, TOWs, Kornets, sabots and so forth as possible since noone is going to NOT use those on tanks, regardless if they could use 40 year old HEAT and smaller RPGs to achieve the same kills.
Which might actually be a sound strategy if it was just Russia vs Ukraine and Ukraine wasn't being supplied new ammo and munitions outside their own budget.
Russia just proves it has no actual value on human life.
>I'd probably send in the T-54s just to try and tease out as many Javelins, TOWs, Kornets, sabots and so forth
ive never understood this zapp branagan tier idea i thought it was a joke but people unironically believe this
except 40mm HEDP grenades would be enough to open them up like tin cans, never mind the mortar drones Ukraine now has in large numbers
Can repeated 40mm HE rounds penetrate frontal armour of anything other than WW2 medium tanks? Obviously sides and rear would be more vulnerable
Honestly many of these bad tanks are simply not tanks anymore and just scrap metal. The picture he showed in the video of a tank in bas condition, with the turret so corroded that it was blocked and beyond saving, is not a 'bad' tank. It's just no longer a tank at all. It's scrap metal.
Honnestly I like this guy but I wouldnt waste my time doing that. He even says himself that its hard to count even when he spunds hundreds of bucks into sattelite pictures. You don't know anything about the state of the tank besides if its rusting or not. You don't know if the engine is still okay, if the electronics or transmission is still usable.
>I wouldnt waste my time doing that
and thats why god made autists, son.
true, autists are here to deliver to others while suffer around normies
He discovered those satellite images and every video is him counting things on photos now
looks like the leak about Russia suing t-54 had some teeth to it. They seem to have plenty of T-72, but would rather not lose the hulls of an non upgraded T-72. Instead they send there cannon fodder in the worst possible unupgraded vehicle
forgot image
if these numbers are accurate. Then even though it's still quite a lot, definitely nothing close to the "infinite" number some people try to portray Russia's stockpiles as
I definitely would've expected more, but so much has been sold since then and many were outside Russian borders in former Soviet states.
I am wondering what their ability is to make more of the more modern soviet era tanks.
do they still have any of that?
>do they still have any of that?
Don't think so or else they would actually be building T-14 tanks, Kurganets-25 IFV's, 2S35 SPG's and Su-57 fighter jets. I suspect that most of their military industrial complex has been built around going into the backyard, taking an old Soviet hull and either refurbishing it or cobbling it into something semi-new like the BMPT Terminator.
Even that might be a bit much in some cases, take said Terminator, it's a T-72 tank with ATGM's and an autocannon on top. It received a bit of foreign interest, a few countries placed orders and there was just delay after delay until they all cancelled like a decade later. Algeria was supposed to have 300 of the things but even the Russians apparently only have a handful... again, it is just a T-72 with a new turret.
It seems like up until the sanctions the only thing they could reliably provide in numbers were cold war era hulls with a new coat of paint and western electronics and optics integrated in. No wonder Russian stuff is cheap, they aren't building it.
t14 is imposible due to most of it parts are under sanctions
no their t-14 is mostly made up of a shell of a soviet tank with a bunch of ali-express tier imported components.
I meant the shit they were, from the START, once able to just make on their own.
Is this an estimate of how many good (refurbishable) hulls there are in storage? I thought Russia had 15k tanks total, with 3000 ready for the invasion… out of the remaining 12k tanks, you’re telling me they only have 4K that can be put into service? Or is this the current number of reviewable tanks after the past year of warfare
We don't know how many tanks Russia has. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks Russia can activate. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks can be made working via cannibalisation. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks can be made working into 'monkey models'. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks can be recycled and turned into other tanks one way or another. They lie.
We don't know how many tanks they can produce a year - new - from their factories. They lie.
Half the reason nobody messed with Russia is they'd go onto GlobalFirepower and see '12,000 tanks' and go 'WOW SO STRONG' and that's it. Appear strong when weak, appear weak when strong yadda yadda. Furthermore, we know Russia lies about even the most mundane stuff. For example, the Russian government department for census reading stated there were X million people in Y region. Putin did an interview where he stated there were X million people in Y region. A figure like 50% lower than the 'official' statistics. In short, it has long been believed even the 'official' population number of 140m in Russia is actually more like 80m-120m (depending on varying estimates on a wide range). So if they lie about something like population which in the grand scheme of things is not relevant to their appearance as a great power... what would they do about their MILITARY?
But even if they lie, don’t we have satellites to at least confirm raw numbers? And we have visual proof of X number of tank losses at least. So assuming Russia hasn’t been understating their total tanks, can’t we at least get a theoretical high end estimate for total tanks (in service and storage)????
>But even if they lie, don’t we have satellites to at least confirm raw numbers?
Watch Covert Cabal. Even the best commercial civilian satellites available only allow you to see how many tank hulls with turrets still attached they have. It's usually impossible to tell what type of tank you're looking at given the resolution, and even if it is possible, there is literally no way to know if it isn't *completely* gutted on the inside like a WW2 museum piece, for theft or legitimate cannibalization. NATO knows more of course, but they aren't sharing their military satellite data, except maybe partially with Ukrainians.
Russia doesn't know how many they can fix until they try. How many they have to fix vs. junkers can only be known by trying to start each one after a cursory inspection of fluids etc then ops checking each system. Batteries alone will be a limfac. They're expensive but Russia do manufacture them.
This is basic heavy equipment mechanic shit because military vehicles aren't special. A tank is whatever model it started life as. There is no definition for "monkey models" in any strict sense so don't use the term.
Any tank hull not destroyed can be refurbished. What matters is cost and available spares and production line capacity. If you have mechanics (they are easy to train, working on military equipment is not difficult), warehouse space and a decent welding and fab shop to make tools and refurb some parts you're half way there. A basic electrical shop can do charging systems, repair wiring harness or build it (you need connectors etc) you're good.
What Russia won't have is money and access to many parts it cannot produce since their production lines ended long ago. Any line can be built again but that shit is time consuming and much of the Soviet industrial base was in Ukraine.
>Is this an estimate of how many good (refurbishable) hulls there are in storage?
Yes. The 2023 in that pic is just because the video lists 2022 numbers as well (4696 tanks total then). It's also done via satellite imagery so it could very well be less that could be brought back into service. Only about 1000 of the tanks are stored indoors, or outdoors hooked up to a system for controlling humidity inside the tanks.
>I thought Russia had 15k tanks total
The video covers how that number is wrong.
tanks are obsolete
Tanks aren’t doing much in this war. They appear mostly to just sit somewhere waiting to be blown up, or move around in the rear, get spotted by drones etc and also get destroyed.
But, not doing much doesn’t mean doing NOTHING. So Russia is bringing out these ancient junkers. Putin is probably flogging the military relentlessly so everyone has to at least be seen doing work for the benefit of the war. So it’s a positive career move to show big numbers on their reports. Various factors involved, not just — or even mainly — about military performance.
>Tanks aren’t doing much in this war.
That tends to happen when you neglect your infantry to the point of them looking worse off than Rangers from the Metro 2033 universe and your Air Force/Air Defense can't contest control of the airspace, allowing Ukrainian drones to operate with virtual impunity.
We call it "combined arms" for a reason. If one element stops working, all of it stops working.
There was the Russian leak a month back or so that showed they were pretty much stuck “modernizing” T-55’s and older tanks because they simply lack the capacity to refurbish tanks with advanced electronics (T-64 and beyond). Whereas rusty T-55s “just” need new treads, gaskets, de-rusting, etc.
So we can reasonably expect you to see more dumb artillery and early Cold War relics coming into service on the Vatnik side. By the time Abrams are at the front line, the enemy will be fielding T-34 obr.2024
>decide to look up what the difference between the T-64 and T-55 would be
>T-64 models in the 70s started to include laser rangefinders, crosswind sensors, and ballistic computers, while the T-55 didn't
So is this a problem of Russia simply not having the parts on hand to repair these old electronics, or has Russia regressed to the point where laser rangefinders and ballistic computers are now lost technology that they can't produce themselves?
Globalization has made specialization rather lucrative, which means an embargo from the collective west or east is VERY disruptive. This applies to basically any country, though a turd world shithole like Puccia is especially vulnerable. Electronics in general are going to be difficult for Russia to produce. Hell, even simple things like ball bearings will be difficult for them to get. Mind you it won’t be impossible, but globalization and specialization mean Russia was I’ll prepared to produce its machines of war without outside help
>has Russia regressed to the point where laser rangefinders and ballistic computers are now lost technology that they can't produce themselves?
in soviet era this kind of technology came from eastern germany and eastern europe, this technology was lost with the fall of the Berlin wall
Electronics can be replaced with cinese junk, advanced quality optics is only produced in the west and now under sanctions.
Both really.
They aren't going to have a lot of spares on hand for 50 year old assemblies that were long ago made obsolete. Nobody was making them. Just like you cant buy a brand new original gameboy. When something goes out of production is can be hard and expensive to start making it again.
But globalization also destroyed their domestic industry. Russia has never had a particularly good electronics industry. They were backwards in the time of the Czars and during Soviet times their advancements mostly came after getting their hands on western tech. When the F-14 and F-15 were using microprocessors, the MiG-25 was still using vacuum tubes. When the cold war ended and they were exposed to the superior western electronics market their domestic industry collapsed almost over night. Nobody wants to buy shitty IC's made in an old Soviet factory. Ironically Russia did become one of the main global suppliers of vacuum tubes for things like guitar amps since they still had working factories.
Russia had a certain level of domestic electronics capacity 30 years ago. Its mostly gone, there are some exceptions. But they can't make a modern thermal sight or a modern radar with home grown components. So they have to rely on the Chinese pretty hard to make up for it. That's why you are seeing old Soviet electronics with aliexpress bodge job repairs.
>That's why you are seeing old Soviet electronics with aliexpress bodge job repairs.
russian "rocket science" is worse then PrepHole
>T-55's and and older
how much older can they get?
IS-2 and IS-3, oh and T-10 (IS-10)
And lots of armored and mechanized vehicles can be pressed into service and Black personrigged to have some sort of heavy weaponry. Like the stupid naval turret mounted on an APC. Frick, I wish I had a picture. I think it was the L-something?? Lol, Puccia desperation is getting delicious.
>naval turret mounted on an APC
Literally just google these exact words sillyhead, the image has been memed enough that it's easy to find
?t=39
This is basically like taking a picture of a pull a part or junkyard and claiming that since you see 200 cars they have 200 working units they can field. Its not how shit works.
>t. spergs before watching
Not gonna give your shitty video a view, shill
Which is why your opinion is irrelevant
Exactly. What is the fricking point? Even if they do acknowledge the fact many of them are going to be rusted out hulks they will just pull some bullshit out their ass like saying half of them would be easy to get running again or some other bullshit claim.
>they will just pull some bullshit out their ass like saying
Seems you care more for what people say than for facts you can see for yourself
Hmmm
Go frick yourself. Im just tired of seeing this dumb shit spammed whenever some know nothing butthole makes yet another video about it. How many rusted out husks they have rotting in a field is far less important than the condition they are in and having the industrial capacity to get them into working order neither of which you can gauge from a fricking satellite image you moron.
The only facts you can pull from that shit is how much steel is wasting away in a field. You cant draw any other real conclusions from it.
based
homosexual shill
The video actually gives good information and differentiates between maintained equipment and rotting husk, but you wouldn't know that because you decided to sperg first, assume later, and continue knowing nothing
so frankly, there's no point for you watching, it's wasted on the hollow vaults of your echoing skull.
go away and stay ignorant.
>m-maybe if I try reverse psychology
kek
I wonder why this guy started melting down as soon as I called him a shill, hmmmm
>if I call him a shill I can mask my presumptuous ignorance
Continue proving my point, it only gets funnier the more you do it without realizing
>tries desperately over and over to defend erroneously prejudging something before even skimming it
what's funny is that I don't have to prove anything, your stupidity screams for itself
>tries desperately over and over
He still doesn't realize it, kek. Keep seething, shill
This is my first reply in this thread. You sound like a colossal homosexual, it would've been better if you never replied.
>My super speshul videos are way betterer than all the other ones guyz! I am ways more smarter and well imformed than the rest!
Its all fricking speculation and the numbers are pulled out their ass in EVERY fricking video. There is no accurate information about any of those goddamn husks. The only thing you can tell is how many there were and how many were pulled off the field and that tells you NOTHING because even if they pull a tank off the field it doesnt mean they did it to put it into service or that they CAN put it into service. It only tells you its gone somewhere else.
>There is no accurate information about any of those goddamn husks
lol
>that tells you NOTHING
lmao even
I don't want to waste my time on obstinate fools, do you actually want to know, or like
here do you want to triple down on insisting on refusing to learn?
>l-lol, l-lmao
kek and he's using twitter memes to cope as well
I have never seen anything have this much of a nervous breakdown over being called a shill
Gonna go back to work, have fun trying to get people to watch your videos, shill
>ignorance successfully defended
I'll drop you just one: in this video he can more clearly see which ones are left to rot and which ones are maintained
>I'll drop you just one: in this video he can more clearly see which ones are left to rot and which ones are maintained
You can ASSUME that its being maintained because its not rusted out and in bits but in no fricking way can you tell if its "maintained" to a working standard. Ill tell you this though. Its not. These fields are not for storing working battle ready tanks. They are for storing surplus in the long term and are not kept to any reasonable standard of maintenance. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them needs an overhaul before it can be fielded. No exceptions. Especially now considering they are over a year into their 3 day special operation and anything that was in any reasonable working order has long since been pulled.
>You can ASSUME that its being maintained because its not rusted out and in bits
There are other ways
It's in the video 😉
Honestly, this update was quite interesting, so I'm just rolling my eyes at people here who can oh-so-confidently dunk on something they've never seen. Shit on him all you like AFTER watching it, be my guest, but to do it BEFORE... that's moronicly presumptuous.
I echo this anon's recommendation to actually watch the video before shitting one it. This video should be quite heartening for Western and pro-Ukrainian audiences - "Good" used here is a very generous upper bound. The Russians stockpiles are not "12000 tanks" it's more like maybe 4000.
Then fricking enlighten us on what information you can derive from images of a junkyard without pulling a bunch of bullshit out of your ass. Give us some concrete info on how many tanks are being refurbished and put into service from satellite images alone without making a bunch of assumptions.
You cant because its not fricking possible. All of these count the husk videos are a fricking joke.
You do know the video is meant to dunk on Russia?
>most dumbest and autistic
*dumbest and most autistic
It's really quite simple:
>be a know-it-all c**t
>confidently dunk on something despite knowing nothing
>bluster and bluff when called out (see again: c**ty behaviour)
>never admit ever being wrong
>retreat into anonymity and continue projecting an image of knowing it all
>They’ve already lost roughly 2,000 tanks
lol
1929 tanks, that's roughly 2000.
>1929 tanks
lol
I'm not sure what is funny about that
T34
they were designed in 1937?
Instantly discredits himself by citing Or5yx without citing that Oryx himself says that the losses are JUST those that have been geolocated and verified, that's just a fraction of total Russian losses. He does not mention once that these vehicles have mostly already been stripped for export part sales or spares and due to corruption stripped of anything with value such as wiring looms.
This is your daily reminder that the government is turning autistic men into troons so they'll kill themselves instead of noticing. Autistic people are good at noticing things like that, we recognize patterns better than any other type of human.
There is no such thing as autism. You are welcome. It is a blanket term that can mean almost anything. There is no such valid diagnosis as Asperger's. You can diagnose intellectual disability and the brain but you cannot diagnose bullshit for helicopter parents who can't accept their child is not remarkable in any way and want to drug it. There is zero implication that people who have been arbitrarily classified as autistic have any particular ability to do anything
I too think about transsexuals all day
>we
>its a wide spectrum you dont understand
yeah ok
Again, there is no such thing as autism. At best it is a marketing term for an industry. Clinically iot means whatever you want it to and I can point a finger at anyone and call them 'Autistic' and make it sound plausible. I love America but it has tragically monetarized childhood medicine, care and pharmacology to the point of creating 'diagnosis' that can be used to make profit off any child sucked into this nonsense. There is nothing wrong with you and you have been lied to and about for money. Don't bother listening though after all you are 'special' now and I'm taking that away? Right?. You are just a mediocre average moron. Most people are.
i was agreeing with you
Nah, autists on average are of lower iq, the only thing they're a danger to are the pussies of their bedridden moms
IQ tests vary based on practise and have limited utility other than allowing standardised comparisons. The most interesting aspect of them in in demonstrating the reversal of the flynn effect, that is that the milennium generation in the US is less capable of demonstrating intelligence (not the phrasing) and that the US zoomer generation is on average even less capable of demonstrating intelligence. One way of thinking of this is dumb and dumber. One way of thinking about autism, particularly in the literature applied to US childhood interventions is what I think of as 'bullshit'
Autists dont "nootice" shit. They're just much more likely to have extremist views and easier to be radicalized regardless of ideology (left-wing, right-wing, climate-activism, fandoms, etc...)
Because 1. You're much more susceptible to manipulation. 2. You see things and the world much more in black-and-white (X is good! Y is Evil! Everything bad in the world comes from Y!
My country kept around 100 M60 in some open ground for more than a decade. When I did my military service, they were trying to repair them to sell them to some shitty country. Only 15 were operational after too much work and repairs.
If those tanks have been there, I dont know, more than 20 years, they are mostly fricked beyond salvation.
Philippines ?
we never operated M60s
Bless his heart