Well right now a drone can be jammed, but I think they mean on board AI so the signal between pilot and drone can't be severed.
Autonomous drones.
I think everyone alive today will be dead before they could get the AI tech to make this more than 90% effective.
Having your own murder drones frag friendlies is bad for morale.
>I think everyone alive today will be dead before they could get the AI tech to make this more than 90% effective.
5 years ago, AI art was "decades away" from producing lifelike images, and now it's capable of producing convincing live-action video. No technology has advanced this fast since the invention of electricity.
This doesn't look real to you? I'm a chair farmer irl and this looks exactly the same as how we did up chairs on the ranch. If you ignore how one of the guys melds into the other it's pretty convincing.
The US is very cucked on this topic. Needs to have a human approve any strike so signal disruption would still be effective. >t. knower
https://i.imgur.com/3BkZ1CM.png
Solution to ai piloted drones?
Proper autonomous ones? Either very dense networks of CUAS or autonomous suicide anti-drone-drones. Lots of them.
So the solution is only a available to properly financed militaries.
>ITT: morons don't understand how much computing power it takes to run real time image recognition
Unless you find a way to bolt a 700W high end PC to every FPV drone you deploy, unjammable autonomous AI swarms are a pipe dream. Even with Moore's law going at full tilt for the next decade it's unlikely we'll see it happen before laser SHORAD becomes ubiquitous
Sure, but can you do it reliably from 50 meters up in the air on targets that look exactly like your own guys except for the occasional duct tape marker?
I can see it against vehicles, especially if you give it IR, but against people you're drone is not going to be cheap.
Geofencing (with INS as a backup to GPS) would be my answer. Start out human-controlled and fly into enemy territory. If you get jammed behind the lines, start autonomous target search.
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This. And don't use it against people, give it a HEAT or EFP warhead and use it against vehicles, which are far easier to positively ID than uniforms.
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Err... can't AR goggles (or VR with passthrough) perform basic image recognition *right now*? If you use a Pi or a high-end Snapdragon, with image recognition software that's been trained specifically to identify non-destroyed vehicles (and if you're Western, military vehicles from civilians), then you simply send the drone well behind enemy lines where friendly fire isn't an issue with geo-fencing to keep it from wandering towards friendly units (Western INS is good enough to do this even if GPS is down). The drone flies to the provided coordinates and then begins a search pattern, looking for targets.
Sure, a design like this wouldn't be much use against infantry; but that's not necessary, because the absolute best place to use autonomous drones like this is against the enemy's ground lines of communication, in the interdiction role. If they enemy can't get supplies or move units around, they're pretty easy to deal with using standard Western tactics.
I agree with these. The immediate use of AI drones is best as a backup mode for interdiction, and since the counter to that is launching swarms of the same drones to attack your ground vehicles, the 2nd use of AI drones is air to air.
Going after humans is dystopian, but low-return for a military - once you've suppressed their resupply and major vehicles there's a full conventional military armory to do the mopping up.
The problem with self driving cars is edge cases, can the car recognize a guy in a sombrero pushing a hotdog cart covered in balloons? If not Tesla is now up on manslaughter charges.
Now you have the same situation with a drone, it doesn't recognize El Doggo Balloon so it doesn't engage. If El Doggo has an AK it can recognize that and lock him without needing to know anything more than the fact he's armed.
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tesla self-driving just stops if it doesn't recognize things... it works basically 100% now and is far better than the average driver
Self-driving cars are meant to protect the occupant while also not crashing into things.
Computer vision weapons? They're already meant to kill. They actively seek out things to crash into.
>zoomer moment
They don't use object recognition in the modern sense of ML classifiers. They do contrast detection to lock onto a user defined frame. Traditional fire and forget has nothing in common with modern AI.
Because the Javelin does the pop up and dive maneuver, it does image recognition on the target from above as the perspective of the seeker will be different than the user's on the CLU.
Also, the BLU-108 had some form of rudimentary computer vision on each skeet.
Err... can't AR goggles (or VR with passthrough) perform basic image recognition *right now*? If you use a Pi or a high-end Snapdragon, with image recognition software that's been trained specifically to identify non-destroyed vehicles (and if you're Western, military vehicles from civilians), then you simply send the drone well behind enemy lines where friendly fire isn't an issue with geo-fencing to keep it from wandering towards friendly units (Western INS is good enough to do this even if GPS is down). The drone flies to the provided coordinates and then begins a search pattern, looking for targets.
Sure, a design like this wouldn't be much use against infantry; but that's not necessary, because the absolute best place to use autonomous drones like this is against the enemy's ground lines of communication, in the interdiction role. If they enemy can't get supplies or move units around, they're pretty easy to deal with using standard Western tactics.
>Western INS is good enough to do this even if GPS is down
No, it is not. There will be large amounts of drift over time, and the drone will not know where it is.
This is why we don't only need to solve the AI visual tracking problem, but also the GPS-free navigation so the drone can operate autonomously when jammed.
it doesn't need to be real time, it can be significantly delayed, doesn't need to be perfect
spot something moving, spend a minute analyzing, then kill
Not hard to put a 1000$ laptop into one of these larger drones either
Ukraine has proven how little finances it takes to perform. 100+ dollar hammer army might be a little flustered at that, but that's fine.
AI drones can control our border. This is not impossible. Mining and fortifying our border is in the books. Balts are already doing this. We all know the Moskali hordes are coming. Trumpian and Scholzian cowards refuse this reality, but that was to be expected of them.
We'll have to develop nuclear weapons in short order.
Image recognition is 1000x less hardware intensive compared to creating pictures and films etc. Look at what modern smartphones are capable of already hardware vise while costing pennies and then shut the frick up.
>Having your own murder drones frag friendlies is bad for morale.
everyone and their mother are wearing multicam, i can only guess what is going to happen next
Jammed? to what connection? once you unleashed a swarm of killer robots to spread a canisters of highly virulent 12 monkes style bio-weapon on all cities, wtf is there to be done? not trying to be a b***h, but you can't shoot a fricking black death.
That's why we must be prepared.
The exact same way the Javelin and Maverick use image recognition for optical targeting.
People don't realize this is old tech that has been used for decades, all that's changed is processing power has got cheap enough you can put it on a $300 drone instead of just $50,000 missiles these days.
>zoomer moment
They don't use object recognition in the modern sense of ML classifiers. They do contrast detection to lock onto a user defined frame. Traditional fire and forget has nothing in common with modern AI.
Javelin >Human operator establishes lock on target >Missile flies towards target >Missile hits target >This costs 50 - 100 thousand dollars
AI powered drone >Drone Autonomously makes its way to an objective >Drone Somehow spots target >Drone somehow discerns that target is actually a valid target >Drone Is able to do this reliably enough that it won't cause a diplomatic incident because it attacked an enemy (civilian) troop concentration (wedding) >Drone flies towards target >Drone hits target >This apparently costs 300 dollars
I like applying dronegay logic to other kinds of hardware to see what kind of machines are 2 weeks away. For planes: >Planes with a six figure price tag exist >Planes that can operate in space exist >Planes that can carry a tank exist >VTOLs exist >Planes that go hypersonic exist
so we're going to get hypersonic halo dropships for the price of a fancy sports car in 2 weeks.
Dronegays are right in the sense that there is that exploring the space of all valid munitions, there is a combination that can defeat all known defenses for a cheaper price. It also did and must exist ever since universal adaption of projectile weapons, otherwise people would just have those defenses and everyone resort to melee and ramming. "Drones" is just another munition for practical analysis, now with more range, better accuracy and lower cost than most historical munitions.
Nothing is cost-effectively survivable in no-man's land ever since no-man's land existed. Warfare is about killing the other side FIRST when in no-man's land, surviving no-man's land and getting into survivable spaces in sufficient numbers, and skirmishing outside of no-man's land.
Strategically drones is pretty boring. So there is drones, everyone gets drones barring tards, balance of power gets slightly shifted, the end.
No, you don't understand. Hobby drones are the perfect weapon. They make tanks obsolete. They make artillery obsolete. They make ships obsolete. They make missiles and aircraft obsolete. They are uncounterable.
Right now, in some distant galaxy, there are two species which have been locked in struggle since before our sun burned in the heavens. Their minds are inconceivably vast, their powers almost unlimited. They fight using DJI Mavic 3s
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Even the worst of dronebrained can get some sense when you tell them that faster kamikaze drones (aka missiles, rockets and shells) are handy to hit targets that may run away or let you kill the enemy before he fires and would not costing insane amount if not cost-plus contracted with 300 pages of requirements like functioning after -40 degree storage after 40 years as milspeccing makes drones cost 40x.
The drone people are arguing against the "combined arms people" that would say stuff like "if the airforce killed everything actually dangerous, the tanks can plant the flag and be the most important part of the force structure" or "if tanks are destroyed it is because infantry didn't leap between the projectile and tanks" and "surely shotguns and claymores pointed up is the final solution to bombs, missiles and aerial threats forever" and "according to FM123-332-12 published in 1972 the enemy shall be defeated if I maintain a 25mph rate of advance across 3mile front with 4000 rounds of divisional artillery support per hour and any deviation means incompetence."
Javelin doesn’t use image recognition at all though, and I’d guess it’s the same for NLAW and other top attack modern ATGMs. Javelin tracks movement, rather than being like “that’s a tank/helicopter”
This has nothing to do with whether or not somebody's tried it, nerd. Hell, in all probability Raytheon or Honeywell got this working with a 90% accuracy rate like 5 years ago. The US remembers all of the political backlash it got from obliterating terrorist weddings n shit with predator drones so it's become more decisive with that sort of thing. You should read how bad Rules of Engagement got for infantry at the tail end of afghanistan. The more capability you have, the more restraint you can afford to use.
The DOD policy explicitly notes that they're allowed to stop doing that the moment they think it becomes a problem, so unless you think there isn't a couple of funny image recognition software programs that are just waiting to get patched in if required, I wouldn't bet on that saving you.
An AI controlled AA gun will always have the advantage over an AA controlled drone
Boolets go faster than propellers and a gun with perfect aim will make cheap drones shit
I think air power and missiles are a dying breed, what do you do against AA guns with smart ammo and lasers with AI gunners who never miss, never sleep,etc ? it will all come down to physics at the end, huge mobile guns firing over the horizon at targets adquired by satellites
>powered by AI
Easy to deal with, just walk up to the drone and yell "This sentence is FALSE!", and watch it go crazy, see how it's dumb little robot head explodes. That's what makes humans different from machines, we can THINK and are CREATIVE. It's night night for Hal
Proper autonomous ones? Either very dense networks of CUAS or autonomous suicide anti-drone-drones. Lots of them.
So the solution is only a available to properly financed militaries.
>muh AI
Interceptor drones, HPM, automated guns with airburst 30mm, also the fact a proper mil grade solution would cost 5 figures. And good luck reliably spotting camouflaged vehicles not to mention infantry optically
tourists will never accept that their newest buzzword weapon is not only useless in any theater other than WW1-esque positional warfare between two countries without air forces, but it's also been solved a long time ago
>a highly specialized and extremely expensive vehicle that you can field maybe one for every 10km of frontline >against a threat that the enemy can field for every inch of the frontline at a rate of 1 per man every single day
uhh ok???
Your command centers might be fine but your front line infantry is fricking DYING
Stop sending humans to the battlefield, send your own AI drones to blow up their AI drone factories. Wars can be decided that way without anyone dying 🙂
I'm sure I had this saved this but now I can't seem to find it, so I'm going to have to ask someone to post that account of a test on this matter: >drone AI is trained to identify soldiers by observing some dudes moving around in full gear >the drone is then parked in the middle of a traffic circle, and the soldiers are tasked with reaching it without being identified >because the AI had only been trained on humans moving and behaving normally, they managed to evade detection by moving in ridiculous ways that would have been blatantly obvious to any human observer >highlight examples include cartwheeling over to it, holding tree branches in front of themselves as an improvised disguise, or taking the metal gear solid approach and crawling towards it under a cardboard box
There is only a finite numbers of ways a human can move at reasonable speed. There is also limits on practical camo that enables movement. Just get a dataset that trains ALL of it.
Human beings have an entire lifetime of data to work with, plus priors built into genetics. Give Ai suitable data, priors and efficient algos and it'd do the job.
Its significant work especially with current not very data efficient algos, but doable work.
Stuff like an waymo can do self driving, it just takes too much work to adapt to different environments reliably.
Every single one of those silly movements can be patched in an hour so after a month or so of training and development it will recognize a human no matter fricking what
those have to be tuned specifically against whatever model you want to fool. Since this thread is already in fantasy land of putting arbitrarily high computing power on FPV drones, you can just have three different models running in parallel and choosing targets by 2-1 or 3-0 vote
I can run a 15B parameter model on my iPhone with quantization and C++ conversion. A drone could easily run multiple image processing models in parallel.
Set up mannequins or false targets to spook some, then depending on size use countermeasures for the remainder. Also why no low frequency general emitters to frick with optical tech? I know I'm moronic, but is that idea uber moronic or highly regarded?
There is no solution so far.
28 of Feb, Ukraine lost a 6M USD tank to a 500 USD Piranha FPV drone.
Russia is building 100 of those every day still as a prototype and those fricked can fly up to 15km.
So far, 70% of the casualties for both sides have been attributed to artillery, but it appears that it's a matter of time before drones became the main weapon. And since 99% of all FPV drone parts are manufactured in China, it doesn't look bright for NATO.
>just jam the signal
You can make a drone follow the signal and blindly hit the jammer antenna without even being controlled.
Pic related, a pile of FPV Piranhas, aka, Abrams killer.
>just put transceivers on these FPV drones bro >just home on jam with this piddly warhead bro >just don’t get phalanxed bro >just don’t get deception jammed bro >just believe Russian lies about drone capabilities bro >just ignore the fact that the best drone manufacturers in the world are USA, Israel, Turkey, and soon the Ukraine bro >just be afraid of Chinese vaporware bro
Though, home on jam is 1000 times more viable than “just make each drone a super computer with catered and adaptive real time image recognition and IFF identification bro,” so kudos to you for just being a shill and not a moron
>just ignore the fact that the best drone manufacturers in the world are USA, Israel, Turkey, and soon the Ukraine bro
American Reaper is a fricking meme. It cost a small fortune when compared to a Lancet and fails to deliver the same effectiveness. >Turkey
HAHAHAHA
Bayraktar days are long gone. It did made history when it was used in Armenia and in the early days of the war in Ukraine, but holy shit he fell so bad due it's severe limitations and the fact it requires a trailer to operate it that can be traced far beyond Bayraktar range.
Every single time a Bayraktar appears on the news is because one of them had been shot down over Russia.
>American Reaper is a fricking meme. It cost a small fortune when compared to a Lancet and fails to deliver the same effectiveness.
wat >Comparing long loiter time armed recon drone with single use suicide drone
A lancet is a bad but relatively cheap cruise missile analogue. Literally nothing about its mission profile overlaps with what a reaper does.
>solution to (nonexistent threat)
Nah. No need, since AI computer recognition guidance is fantasy land shit right now, and drone countermeasures (shooting them down, not jamming) are getting better. A single SPAAG solos entire “drone swarms” and conventional air superiority means your enemy is t even able to operate “drone swarms.”
AInigs are delusional
Mark my words, battlefields are gonna go back to early 1900s tech because there’s gonna be 1000s of jammers deployed that will disrupt all electric stuff within a 500 mile radius.
Well yeah, TB2 is a dollar store Reaper; it had success early on because Soviet / Russian AD hadn’t been updated to deal with them. After the Russians updated their AD the TB2 has been relegated to back-line ISR. These things aren’t drones they are UAVs — full aircraft except their crews operate them from the ground.
>Solution
Nuke the world >AI drones
You know, how hard would it be to make an in-board Javelin UI/AI type of thing?
You fly the drone, you spot the target, you lock the target and activate the kill switch.
Sure, it's more expensive than a few hundred bucks, but they'll be way more accurate and have way more uses than your average Javelin/Drone.
AI piloted anti-drones, obviously. Or some kind of microwave emitter that just fries their circuitry if they fly within its range, like that crowd control device they tested years ago that makes you feel like your skin is on fire.
Meat interceptors
>posting your own twitter posts
stupid Black personhomosexual unprotect your account so I can see your likes
The total extinction of the human race and all biological threats on the face of the planet.
Or did you mean what our solution should be to them?
Cope captchas
>powered by AI so you can't just disrupt their signal
How?
Well right now a drone can be jammed, but I think they mean on board AI so the signal between pilot and drone can't be severed.
Autonomous drones.
I think everyone alive today will be dead before they could get the AI tech to make this more than 90% effective.
Having your own murder drones frag friendlies is bad for morale.
Thermals + IFF...
That could be spoofed though.
You could say the same for LWS, RWR and current IFFs...
Yeah, when we stop fighting mud people it will become an issue.
>I think everyone alive today will be dead before they could get the AI tech to make this more than 90% effective.
5 years ago, AI art was "decades away" from producing lifelike images, and now it's capable of producing convincing live-action video. No technology has advanced this fast since the invention of electricity.
>and now it's capable of producing convincing live-action video.
Lol
Lmao even
This doesn't look real to you? I'm a chair farmer irl and this looks exactly the same as how we did up chairs on the ranch. If you ignore how one of the guys melds into the other it's pretty convincing.
I love these videos because it's a glimps of what looks normal if you have no concept of object permanence.
Butlerian jihad can't come soon enough
You know what motherfricker?
That's actually pretty legit
>ITT: morons don't understand how much computing power it takes to run real time image recognition
Unless you find a way to bolt a 700W high end PC to every FPV drone you deploy, unjammable autonomous AI swarms are a pipe dream. Even with Moore's law going at full tilt for the next decade it's unlikely we'll see it happen before laser SHORAD becomes ubiquitous
ITT moron who doesn't understand it doesn't take much if you train the AI well
Feel free to name one model that can do it and can run on a chip small enough for a DJI drone
Also when you add computation you will need larger batteries, now to keep payload the same you have to make it bigger and need more batteries again.
>laser SHORAD becomes ubiquitous
free energy
>he doesn't know
You can do object recognition at 30 FPS with a raspberry pi and a hundred dollar accelerator
Sure, but can you do it reliably from 50 meters up in the air on targets that look exactly like your own guys except for the occasional duct tape marker?
I can see it against vehicles, especially if you give it IR, but against people you're drone is not going to be cheap.
Geofencing (with INS as a backup to GPS) would be my answer. Start out human-controlled and fly into enemy territory. If you get jammed behind the lines, start autonomous target search.
This. And don't use it against people, give it a HEAT or EFP warhead and use it against vehicles, which are far easier to positively ID than uniforms.
I agree with these. The immediate use of AI drones is best as a backup mode for interdiction, and since the counter to that is launching swarms of the same drones to attack your ground vehicles, the 2nd use of AI drones is air to air.
Going after humans is dystopian, but low-return for a military - once you've suppressed their resupply and major vehicles there's a full conventional military armory to do the mopping up.
Why would this work when self-driving cars don't?
The problem with self driving cars is edge cases, can the car recognize a guy in a sombrero pushing a hotdog cart covered in balloons? If not Tesla is now up on manslaughter charges.
Now you have the same situation with a drone, it doesn't recognize El Doggo Balloon so it doesn't engage. If El Doggo has an AK it can recognize that and lock him without needing to know anything more than the fact he's armed.
tesla self-driving just stops if it doesn't recognize things... it works basically 100% now and is far better than the average driver
Self-driving cars are meant to protect the occupant while also not crashing into things.
Computer vision weapons? They're already meant to kill. They actively seek out things to crash into.
Because the Javelin does the pop up and dive maneuver, it does image recognition on the target from above as the perspective of the seeker will be different than the user's on the CLU.
Also, the BLU-108 had some form of rudimentary computer vision on each skeet.
Err... can't AR goggles (or VR with passthrough) perform basic image recognition *right now*? If you use a Pi or a high-end Snapdragon, with image recognition software that's been trained specifically to identify non-destroyed vehicles (and if you're Western, military vehicles from civilians), then you simply send the drone well behind enemy lines where friendly fire isn't an issue with geo-fencing to keep it from wandering towards friendly units (Western INS is good enough to do this even if GPS is down). The drone flies to the provided coordinates and then begins a search pattern, looking for targets.
Sure, a design like this wouldn't be much use against infantry; but that's not necessary, because the absolute best place to use autonomous drones like this is against the enemy's ground lines of communication, in the interdiction role. If they enemy can't get supplies or move units around, they're pretty easy to deal with using standard Western tactics.
Heh nothing personal, AI
>Western INS is good enough to do this even if GPS is down
No, it is not. There will be large amounts of drift over time, and the drone will not know where it is.
This is why we don't only need to solve the AI visual tracking problem, but also the GPS-free navigation so the drone can operate autonomously when jammed.
it doesn't need to be real time, it can be significantly delayed, doesn't need to be perfect
spot something moving, spend a minute analyzing, then kill
Not hard to put a 1000$ laptop into one of these larger drones either
I'm up
he sees me
I'm down
Ukraine has proven how little finances it takes to perform. 100+ dollar hammer army might be a little flustered at that, but that's fine.
AI drones can control our border. This is not impossible. Mining and fortifying our border is in the books. Balts are already doing this. We all know the Moskali hordes are coming. Trumpian and Scholzian cowards refuse this reality, but that was to be expected of them.
We'll have to develop nuclear weapons in short order.
If a Tesla can recognize a pedestrian to avoid it, a drone should be able to target it.
High end modern smartphone can already do that.
no they don't. Cut the signal and suddenly all forms of AI don't work because it cannot connect to Googbergsoft.
Image recognition is 1000x less hardware intensive compared to creating pictures and films etc. Look at what modern smartphones are capable of already hardware vise while costing pennies and then shut the frick up.
>Having your own murder drones frag friendlies is bad for morale.
everyone and their mother are wearing multicam, i can only guess what is going to happen next
Jammed? to what connection? once you unleashed a swarm of killer robots to spread a canisters of highly virulent 12 monkes style bio-weapon on all cities, wtf is there to be done? not trying to be a b***h, but you can't shoot a fricking black death.
That's why we must be prepared.
The exact same way the Javelin and Maverick use image recognition for optical targeting.
People don't realize this is old tech that has been used for decades, all that's changed is processing power has got cheap enough you can put it on a $300 drone instead of just $50,000 missiles these days.
>zoomer moment
They don't use object recognition in the modern sense of ML classifiers. They do contrast detection to lock onto a user defined frame. Traditional fire and forget has nothing in common with modern AI.
Javelin
>Human operator establishes lock on target
>Missile flies towards target
>Missile hits target
>This costs 50 - 100 thousand dollars
AI powered drone
>Drone Autonomously makes its way to an objective
>Drone Somehow spots target
>Drone somehow discerns that target is actually a valid target
>Drone Is able to do this reliably enough that it won't cause a diplomatic incident because it attacked an enemy (civilian) troop concentration (wedding)
>Drone flies towards target
>Drone hits target
>This apparently costs 300 dollars
I like applying dronegay logic to other kinds of hardware to see what kind of machines are 2 weeks away. For planes:
>Planes with a six figure price tag exist
>Planes that can operate in space exist
>Planes that can carry a tank exist
>VTOLs exist
>Planes that go hypersonic exist
so we're going to get hypersonic halo dropships for the price of a fancy sports car in 2 weeks.
Dronegays are right in the sense that there is that exploring the space of all valid munitions, there is a combination that can defeat all known defenses for a cheaper price. It also did and must exist ever since universal adaption of projectile weapons, otherwise people would just have those defenses and everyone resort to melee and ramming. "Drones" is just another munition for practical analysis, now with more range, better accuracy and lower cost than most historical munitions.
Nothing is cost-effectively survivable in no-man's land ever since no-man's land existed. Warfare is about killing the other side FIRST when in no-man's land, surviving no-man's land and getting into survivable spaces in sufficient numbers, and skirmishing outside of no-man's land.
Strategically drones is pretty boring. So there is drones, everyone gets drones barring tards, balance of power gets slightly shifted, the end.
No, you don't understand. Hobby drones are the perfect weapon. They make tanks obsolete. They make artillery obsolete. They make ships obsolete. They make missiles and aircraft obsolete. They are uncounterable.
Right now, in some distant galaxy, there are two species which have been locked in struggle since before our sun burned in the heavens. Their minds are inconceivably vast, their powers almost unlimited. They fight using DJI Mavic 3s
Even the worst of dronebrained can get some sense when you tell them that faster kamikaze drones (aka missiles, rockets and shells) are handy to hit targets that may run away or let you kill the enemy before he fires and would not costing insane amount if not cost-plus contracted with 300 pages of requirements like functioning after -40 degree storage after 40 years as milspeccing makes drones cost 40x.
The drone people are arguing against the "combined arms people" that would say stuff like "if the airforce killed everything actually dangerous, the tanks can plant the flag and be the most important part of the force structure" or "if tanks are destroyed it is because infantry didn't leap between the projectile and tanks" and "surely shotguns and claymores pointed up is the final solution to bombs, missiles and aerial threats forever" and "according to FM123-332-12 published in 1972 the enemy shall be defeated if I maintain a 25mph rate of advance across 3mile front with 4000 rounds of divisional artillery support per hour and any deviation means incompetence."
Basically yeah. There's a reason NVIDIA stock (a large fricking company) has 10x in the past two years.
Javelin doesn’t use image recognition at all though, and I’d guess it’s the same for NLAW and other top attack modern ATGMs. Javelin tracks movement, rather than being like “that’s a tank/helicopter”
you can't jam something that doesn't communicate back
The US is very cucked on this topic. Needs to have a human approve any strike so signal disruption would still be effective.
>t. knower
How long do you think that policy would last if a supercarrier or two sink?
How quickly do you think it would be reinstated when drones start randomly killing friendlies?
oh that must mean no Silicon Valley tech bro decided to invest in the idea yet. Give it time.
This has nothing to do with whether or not somebody's tried it, nerd. Hell, in all probability Raytheon or Honeywell got this working with a 90% accuracy rate like 5 years ago. The US remembers all of the political backlash it got from obliterating terrorist weddings n shit with predator drones so it's become more decisive with that sort of thing. You should read how bad Rules of Engagement got for infantry at the tail end of afghanistan. The more capability you have, the more restraint you can afford to use.
The DOD policy explicitly notes that they're allowed to stop doing that the moment they think it becomes a problem, so unless you think there isn't a couple of funny image recognition software programs that are just waiting to get patched in if required, I wouldn't bet on that saving you.
>Screamers (1995) was profetic
Well I'd make sure my TAB was working, light up a radiation red, and hey, that little kid wants to come with me
Underrated
You just have it acquire targets using the AI and have a operator confirm the target.
porn mass marketed towards AI that will leave them lazy and complacent and less motivated to die for the cause
An AI controlled AA gun will always have the advantage over an AA controlled drone
Boolets go faster than propellers and a gun with perfect aim will make cheap drones shit
I think air power and missiles are a dying breed, what do you do against AA guns with smart ammo and lasers with AI gunners who never miss, never sleep,etc ? it will all come down to physics at the end, huge mobile guns firing over the horizon at targets adquired by satellites
A mirror
>powered by AI
Easy to deal with, just walk up to the drone and yell "This sentence is FALSE!", and watch it go crazy, see how it's dumb little robot head explodes. That's what makes humans different from machines, we can THINK and are CREATIVE. It's night night for Hal
A = B, A = ¬B
WTF WHY DON'T WE HAVE HUMAN-SIZED PERSONAL DRONES YET???
we can see it's your post
Proper autonomous ones? Either very dense networks of CUAS or autonomous suicide anti-drone-drones. Lots of them.
So the solution is only a available to properly financed militaries.
>Actual Nazi's calling the Russians Nazis whos ranks are full of actual Nazis fighting a war against actual Nazis to de-Nazify the country
Maybe the real Nazis are the friends we made along the way
>anyone with the wrong IFF
Frick those civs and aid workers am I right?
>muh AI
Interceptor drones, HPM, automated guns with airburst 30mm, also the fact a proper mil grade solution would cost 5 figures. And good luck reliably spotting camouflaged vehicles not to mention infantry optically
another anti drone gay who's also a moron
tourists will never accept that their newest buzzword weapon is not only useless in any theater other than WW1-esque positional warfare between two countries without air forces, but it's also been solved a long time ago
How does it shoot down fpv drones that fly low to the ground?
>a highly specialized and extremely expensive vehicle that you can field maybe one for every 10km of frontline
>against a threat that the enemy can field for every inch of the frontline at a rate of 1 per man every single day
uhh ok???
Your command centers might be fine but your front line infantry is fricking DYING
In 15 years, they'll be platoon-level assets
And drones are ALREADY that. What the frick do you think drones will be in 15 years?
Improved examples of the same category of systems?
Infantry outside of tunnels/buildings is obsolete. Just have mines and sensors and bots and fires to hold the line.
Isn't it literally just a stryker with a flashlight?
Yeah and you know they will find a way to charge 30 million a pop for it because that is how it goes.
Stop sending humans to the battlefield, send your own AI drones to blow up their AI drone factories. Wars can be decided that way without anyone dying 🙂
>Meanwhile in America, the 16 year olds
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Fricking Russians just suck. Shot guns. Just duh
We cover ourselves in car windows so that the AI doesn't recognize us as humans
I'm sure I had this saved this but now I can't seem to find it, so I'm going to have to ask someone to post that account of a test on this matter:
>drone AI is trained to identify soldiers by observing some dudes moving around in full gear
>the drone is then parked in the middle of a traffic circle, and the soldiers are tasked with reaching it without being identified
>because the AI had only been trained on humans moving and behaving normally, they managed to evade detection by moving in ridiculous ways that would have been blatantly obvious to any human observer
>highlight examples include cartwheeling over to it, holding tree branches in front of themselves as an improvised disguise, or taking the metal gear solid approach and crawling towards it under a cardboard box
Yes this was true 10 years ago lol. It's not true now.
There is only a finite numbers of ways a human can move at reasonable speed. There is also limits on practical camo that enables movement. Just get a dataset that trains ALL of it.
Human beings have an entire lifetime of data to work with, plus priors built into genetics. Give Ai suitable data, priors and efficient algos and it'd do the job.
Its significant work especially with current not very data efficient algos, but doable work.
Stuff like an waymo can do self driving, it just takes too much work to adapt to different environments reliably.
Every single one of those silly movements can be patched in an hour so after a month or so of training and development it will recognize a human no matter fricking what
AI operated AA guns
AI-piloted drone interceptors
Modify your IFF marker to appear friendly
Put on some adversarial pattern on your camo to throw off the AI model
those have to be tuned specifically against whatever model you want to fool. Since this thread is already in fantasy land of putting arbitrarily high computing power on FPV drones, you can just have three different models running in parallel and choosing targets by 2-1 or 3-0 vote
I can run a 15B parameter model on my iPhone with quantization and C++ conversion. A drone could easily run multiple image processing models in parallel.
Handheld flak cannon.
Set up mannequins or false targets to spook some, then depending on size use countermeasures for the remainder. Also why no low frequency general emitters to frick with optical tech? I know I'm moronic, but is that idea uber moronic or highly regarded?
There is no solution so far.
28 of Feb, Ukraine lost a 6M USD tank to a 500 USD Piranha FPV drone.
Russia is building 100 of those every day still as a prototype and those fricked can fly up to 15km.
So far, 70% of the casualties for both sides have been attributed to artillery, but it appears that it's a matter of time before drones became the main weapon. And since 99% of all FPV drone parts are manufactured in China, it doesn't look bright for NATO.
>just jam the signal
You can make a drone follow the signal and blindly hit the jammer antenna without even being controlled.
Pic related, a pile of FPV Piranhas, aka, Abrams killer.
>just put transceivers on these FPV drones bro
>just home on jam with this piddly warhead bro
>just don’t get phalanxed bro
>just don’t get deception jammed bro
>just believe Russian lies about drone capabilities bro
>just ignore the fact that the best drone manufacturers in the world are USA, Israel, Turkey, and soon the Ukraine bro
>just be afraid of Chinese vaporware bro
Though, home on jam is 1000 times more viable than “just make each drone a super computer with catered and adaptive real time image recognition and IFF identification bro,” so kudos to you for just being a shill and not a moron
>just ignore the fact that the best drone manufacturers in the world are USA, Israel, Turkey, and soon the Ukraine bro
American Reaper is a fricking meme. It cost a small fortune when compared to a Lancet and fails to deliver the same effectiveness.
>Turkey
HAHAHAHA
Bayraktar days are long gone. It did made history when it was used in Armenia and in the early days of the war in Ukraine, but holy shit he fell so bad due it's severe limitations and the fact it requires a trailer to operate it that can be traced far beyond Bayraktar range.
Every single time a Bayraktar appears on the news is because one of them had been shot down over Russia.
Are you russian or brown?
are you israeli?
>American Reaper is a fricking meme. It cost a small fortune when compared to a Lancet and fails to deliver the same effectiveness.
wat
>Comparing long loiter time armed recon drone with single use suicide drone
A lancet is a bad but relatively cheap cruise missile analogue. Literally nothing about its mission profile overlaps with what a reaper does.
>Enemy drones have home-on-jam capability
>Stick laser Stryker next to EW system
>Every drone within 10km flies straight into the killzone
>solution to (nonexistent threat)
Nah. No need, since AI computer recognition guidance is fantasy land shit right now, and drone countermeasures (shooting them down, not jamming) are getting better. A single SPAAG solos entire “drone swarms” and conventional air superiority means your enemy is t even able to operate “drone swarms.”
AInigs are delusional
Mark my words, battlefields are gonna go back to early 1900s tech because there’s gonna be 1000s of jammers deployed that will disrupt all electric stuff within a 500 mile radius.
Well yeah, TB2 is a dollar store Reaper; it had success early on because Soviet / Russian AD hadn’t been updated to deal with them. After the Russians updated their AD the TB2 has been relegated to back-line ISR. These things aren’t drones they are UAVs — full aircraft except their crews operate them from the ground.
>Solution
Nuke the world
>AI drones
You know, how hard would it be to make an in-board Javelin UI/AI type of thing?
You fly the drone, you spot the target, you lock the target and activate the kill switch.
Sure, it's more expensive than a few hundred bucks, but they'll be way more accurate and have way more uses than your average Javelin/Drone.
AI piloted anti-drones, obviously. Or some kind of microwave emitter that just fries their circuitry if they fly within its range, like that crowd control device they tested years ago that makes you feel like your skin is on fire.