So whats the most badass aerial battle scene in a movie? Doesnt have to be realistic, just awesome
So whats the most badass aerial battle scene in a movie? Doesnt have to be realistic, just awesome
So whats the most badass aerial battle scene in a movie? Doesnt have to be realistic, just awesome
Anything from Star Wars or Top Gun.
That's it, /thread.
The sick trickshot kill in true lies
YOURE FIRED
Nothing will top this
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What a scene, lost my shit seeing it in Metal Slug the first time
The dialogue is punchy as hell:
>We're running out of missiles, we're just not causing enough damage!
>Squadron leaders, weapons check... sir, all missiles have been fired.
>You're out of time, get out of there.
>WE'RE NOT DONE YET! Doesn't anyone have any missiles?!
>Pilot, you armed?
>Armed and ready!
Compact. Succinct. Emotional.
ID4 also has the best pre-battle speech in movie history.
"Let's plow the road!"
>10 year old me lost his shit
>35 year old me gets Goosebumps still
I like the scene, but they keep calling Fox-2 and firing AMRAAMs, and those AMRAAMs go off like fricking 250lb bombs
>AMRAAM
>not AIM-7 or Harpoons
You are right about the yield, using air to air weapons on a CITY SIZED spacecraft is the equivalent of using 22lr rat shot against the IJN Yamato and expecting to do any damage.
>I'm baaaaaaaaaack!
What a chad
Battle Of Britain will always be a classic
>Eventually 100 aircraft were employed, called the "35th largest air force in the world".[8] With Mahaddie's help, the producers located 109 Spitfires in the UK, of which 27 were available although only 12 could be made flyable. Mahaddie negotiated use of six Hawker Hurricanes, of which three were flying.
>For the German aircraft, the producers obtained 32 CASA 2.111 twin-engined bombers, a Spanish-built version of the German Heinkel He 111H-16. They also located 27 Hispano Aviación HA-1112 M1L 'Buchon' single-engined fighters, a Spanish version of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109.
Aircraft porn directed by the Guy who did all the early Bond movies
Don't know if it counts as "combat" since it's just a missile and a civilian craft but man this scene is fricking great.
Knew what it was before clicking the link.
Anyone else love this underrated pilot (Eagle 7) in "Independence Day"? He's got so much personality, partly due to the shades. Also his voice helps.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/61b8d777-64fd-49cd-828c-9adc327dfce7
(You see him out of the plane at the film's end, walking alongside the President).
I don't understand why they didn't have F-14s, F-15s and F-16s in this movie, was it paid for by the Navy/Muhreens hence why they only used the F/A-18?
The President looked like a former Chairforce guy yet he flies a F/A-18 instead of a F-16 or F-15
80s-90s Chairforce had the most quantity tbh
>just recently mothballed F-4Es
>A-4 Skyhawk
>mothballed F-5E Tigers
>F-14 Tomcat
>F-15 and F-15E
>F-16
>F/A-18s, Super Hornets would show up before the millennium but the main war was portrayed in the mid-90s
>F-22 in limited production
When the shields went down they should have pulled every A-10, F-117, B-1 and B-2 to bomb the mothership to ribbons.
All those AMRAAMs and Sidewinders were wasted kek.
They were all in the movie, including AV-8s and A-10s
>Tomcat in the movie
>shill the Hornet instead
They found a fricking SRAM II prototype to sling at the city destroyer over Houston.
They did have a lot of jets making cameos, F-16, F-14, F-5, MiG-29, A-10. But the Hornet was the star for sure.
90s CGI was expensive, they could only use one highly detailed model.
They used massive amounts of practical effects as well. To the point that it actually made hard to find 1/48 and 1/32 scale models of F/A-18 hard on west coast when they were filming the effects. They didn't just empty whole sale distributors, they went thru brick and mortar stores find more Hornet models. Just to blow 'em all up in front of camera. White House and couple other major explosions involved massive model work.
In every early to mid 90's major effects movies there are far more practical effects than one expects, even in early 2000's there were lot of practical effects. Just CGI everything shoot in front of green screen really didn't becom a thing until 2010 or so. Even effects that you'd be certain are CGI often turn out to be practical. Things like turns out loonie bin guard in Terminator 2 and Linda Hamilton have identical twins. Sure they show CGI morphing, but make a cut to actual twin when both actor and liquid metal baddie are on screen same time.
I knew a lot of the city destruction effects were practical but for the jets, damn. CGI is best used for distance shots or for compositing practicals (like in Fury Road or Top Gun: Maverick).
>CGI is best used for distance shots or for compositing practicals (like in Fury Road or Top Gun: Maverick).
In my opinion best results at least in 90's were usually composite shots of practical effects and CGI. Top Gun: Maverick contains quite a few actual flight scenes with Super Hornet as film was done with full cooperation from DoD.
>Maybe they should have gotten a proper contract with Tamiya and Airfix rather than drain the market
That starts with assumption that everything is planned meticulously and effects people are aware of everything they need to do way ahead of schedule. Going directly to model manufacturers ahead of the time would have been perfect... with massive hindsight. Why do I know this story? I ran into it on a film podcast couple years ago that had some special effects guy as guest, who is now pretty senior in the industry, one of early career stories was going on road trip from LA to Bay Area to hoard Hornet model kits, they made couple stops I think in Stockton and Bakersfield to hoard even more models. Getting more kits from whole sale level distributors or even manufacturers would have taken more time. They needed more kits in matter of days instead of waiting for couple weeks. One thing internet has changed in buying and selling stuff is that there are far less levels of retail pyramid between consumers and manufacturers.
Starship Troopers comes to mind for a good mix. They only lost the Oscar because Titanic was in the run too.
90's and early 2000's CGI and composite effects with practical elements still look good for most parts. The thing is that CGI industry was much smaller and film industry in general wasn't as reliant on effects as they are today. Everyone involved was enthusiastic what they were doing, not just working there. The problem with current day Hollywood is that there practically nothing going on with modern blockbusters except spectacle. Mindless spectacle. They literally forgot how to make good stories, as cynical one can be of film industry executives and producers of past saying shit like art doesn't matter... still back in 80's and 90's they still made original movies or adaptations of books that weren't franchises. They still had some originality going on. Death of medium budget cinema is now chocking hollywood. There is nothing for behind or front of camera talent in between low budget indie films and major blockbusters. As result practically every auteur director got their career started in early 2000's at latest. Same applies to almost most bankable male movie stars, there is like handful of people that started their careers after 2000 in top 30 most bankable actors, everyone else is old fart. That is because new actors aren't stars of their movies, the character is and almost anyone meeting minimum criteria for competent actor could fill the role. With female acting talent looks and sex appeal matter bit more, but still almost all actresses known for actual acting talent are middle aged.
Back to effects and shit. Even if effects technology has taken leaps forward. Talent making the effects isn't as talented or creative as it used to be. Also they are less aware of what technology can credibly display. Back then people making visual effects had far better grasp on what they were capable of doing.
LotR is another great example. Even today most of CGI scenes there looks good.
I have watched few minutes of that video, but even before I proceed to watch further. I must go to sauna, its getting warm. So couple things worth saying about LotR trilogy. They also skipped plenty of effects with sets and clever camera work. Forced perspectives and other camera tricks did plenty of magic on LotR. If there is something about artistic values of LotR. Cinematic releases kinda sucked, DVD directors cuts really delivered. Even the shorter cinematic releases were simply too long to watch in cinema. I almost fell asleep in cinema while watching Two Towers. I wasn't tired when I went to cinema. I wasn't drunk either. First half of cinema version just was that bad.
Juurikin näin, I'm a massive Tolkien nerd and went to see all the movies at midnight premier. Fellowship and Return were awesome but I hated the theaterical version of Two Towers. But the extended edition delivered and I absolutely adore it.
Last year i was in cinema on LotR extended edition marathon, It took over 12 hours, whole night and it was still great experience.
Shieet, I just ranted about movies in general. About Starship Troopers. They had pretty much who is who when it comes to making model effects and animatronics in addition to top level CGI people work on that movie. Its great movie. I went to watch it twice in cinema. First on pre-premiere midnight screening and again on second or third week or weekend. I can't recall any single film I have wanted watch twice in cinema since 2010 or so.
Maybe they should have gotten a proper contract with Tamiya and Airfix rather than drain the market
>When the shields went down they should have pulled every A-10, F-117, B-1 and B-2 to bomb the mothership to ribbons
In the beginning after the first strike you hear them talking about how all major bases were hit and that they knew exactly where and how to hit us. Granted its a bit of a cop out, but they did mention it.
Did you watch the movie?
They didn't have US military cooperation due to mentioning Area 51. So F-18s it was for most parts due to
. Hence why you see Israelis with Hornets in that scene in the Iraqi desert. Nowadays, they'd probably film motion with a jet trainer and paste CGI jets from DCS; at least that's what I would do for a lower budget movie.
A dynamic Area88 campaign would be awesome for DCS considering the planes they have.
There was a guy on Youtube that remixed that scene with scenes from Macross 7 and Frontier. Of course, Max is the president.
Also the Marines were very engaged in making the film, perhaps the USAF was not as interested in an alien invasion movie and the Navy would have been confusing to people as there isn't any carrier aviation plotline. I also heard the USAF had some issue with the guys wife being a stripper and tbh the plot works better with a marine aviator.
>t. My TRAWING on-wing was with the "black aces" even they made the movie
The Pentagon pulled out of assisting with the film because of its mentioning of Area 51. They refused to provide any equipment or men for the film, so it was all outsourced to civies, thus why they all fly old-model 18s.
>The Pentagon pulled out of assisting with the film because of its mentioning of Area 51.
Kek KWAB
I bet if the movie was being made today or a decade ago they'd be game and will be shilling F-35s and F-22s if Will Smith was onboard
This is the greatest president the US ever had.
Dad, get off PrepHole
When was the last time a President fought a war? Not was a soldier then got into politics, a President actually went to a war zone and fought in an engagement.
A president is wasting everyone's time on the frontline
Not when they're on the brink of extinction and there are no more executive decisions to make and they're putting drunk cropduster jocks in F-18 wienerpits. Frankly he probably scored more kills than the air militia.
>cropduster jock
Actually he was a Veitnam F4 pilot, so he wasn't completely a novice.
In the movie he's portrayed to be a Desert Storm veteran.
Why he didn't fly a F-15 is even more hilarious.
The boomers who got roped in the last second are like F-4/F-5 pilots.
Why would a former Naval Aviator from 1991 be flying F-15s? Only way he would have had any F-15 time would be some weird joint tour or maybe TPS. Conversely a 1991 nugget, yeah, good chance he was rated on bugs. In the movie he has wings of gold and refers to himself as a combat aviator not pilot. Plus weren't they in El Centro for the last fight? Can't remember. In the 90s a bug was a bug, you didn't start getting type differentiation between USMC and USN hornets till like 2005.
There’s a novelization of the film where Bill Pullman flew a F-15 in the Gulf War and he could learn the F-18 easier since the systems were fairly similsr
Conversion between F-15 to F-16 is easier than either of those with Tomcat, Hornet or Rhino. Remember the former are USAF aircraft and the latter are Navy/Marines. Different doctrines and wienerpit layouts.
>movie takes place in July 1996
>assuming he wasn't a vice president who took over he would have been elected in November 1992
>desert storm ended february of 1992
this nibba went from the wienerpit directly to the campain trail
Ike clone homie, wiped out the Iraqi Chairforce all by himself and dropped the bomb personally that killed Saddam and all of his family.
That's Topper Harley who did that.
I believe when Washington led the continental army against the Shay's Rebellion, and that's about it. If you're talking about american ones.
The belgian Kind was very active in the WW1 frontline. He would ask to be taken in reconnaisance flights above No Man's Land to the dismay of all the generals
>president
>(the title given to) the person who has the highest political position in a country that is a republic and who, in some of these countries, is the leader of the government
From November 1799 till May 1804 French Republic was lead by first consul, who by dictionary definition is president.
So the last president who fought in a war and as a added bonus absolutely knew what he was doing too, was one Napoleon Bonaparte.
The last time a head of state took to the field was Napoleon III actually, and you know what happened to him
But neither Napoleon actually fired a single shot in those battles
But during Franco-Prussian war, Napoleon III was leader of second French Empire, not republic. Napoleon Bonaparte during the War of the Second Coalition lead French Republic, hence fulfilling the dictionary definition of president.
When we played ID4 as little kids I always called dibs on being that guy.
"Repeat please"
>Polish accent
Area88, from the era when anime was for men. Also the anime that lead to UN Squadron if you ever played that on SNES.
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It was also one of the first three manga ever published in English
I love area 88. has one of my favourite soundtracks from any anime
>tfw youll never engage homosexual hippies on gay flying fish with fictional planes and assorted ww1 era weaponry
that movie was very kino with the 1910s/1920s setting and the color palette
the screams
>no love for good old American fighters going toe-to-toe with an advanced alien race
Independence Day is sleeper fighter kino.
the cinema went crazy for this scene in particular
>all the films about mankind vs aliens devolve into a few heroes doing it all and the military fails at everything
>tfw forever blueballed from a conventional military vs aliens setting where humanity still fights back decently
It's in every fricking movie, every chopper and jet flies like a moron into monsters, .50 cal HMGs do nothing to even smaller monsters, artillery doesnt exist, etc. it's bullshit AND I WONT TAKE IT ANY LONGER
Sometimes I like to imagine a scenario where hostile aliens attack earth but they have this weird blind spot in their scientific and technological development towards nuclear power for some reason and just get utterly annihilated by our nukes in a single day. The best thing about this would be that all hippies would need to keep their mouths shut until the end of time.
>hippies
What year do you think this is. Next you'll tell me the beatniks are out to get you.
Pacifist homosexuals, you know
Earth has super high gravity for a planet in our orbital position so it's not unlikely that human soldiers could dismember most aliens in hand to hand, which is the opposite of what you usually see in movies
Why is that? Not a PrepHole guy but definitely curious
Earths gravity is strong, so people here are strong (compared to other planets)
We were hit by a fairly large sized planetoid during the late heavy bombardment, threw off a lot of silicate into space that became the moon, the resulting scar became the Pacific basin, and we absorbed the planetoids core so our overall density went way up.
Was prob the major valuable finding of the Apollo missions, confirmation of that theory which was pretty fringe at the time. Also explains why we still have a magnetic field, why we have a frick huge moon, and why plate tectonics are still happening when on most planets they stop pretty quickly or don't get started at all. Geology had a lot of problems before that was proven because even really obvious shit like continental drift kind of fell apart in the energy balance stage despite it clearly happening
Earth is actually at the upper limits of chemical rocket escape velocity, any heavier and we'd have to use nuclear propulsion.
>why
From the STUPID HUGE nickel iron core we have and the impact of Theia nearly 1 billion years ago.
The Road Less Travelled is a pretty funny story in that vein, basically antigravity/FTL tech is stupid easy but it solves every other issue you could possibly face so easily you never discover anything else after you get it, in the story itself the Galaxy's largest and most technologically advanced civilization uses black powder and line tactics until they find Humanity
https://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf
Enjoy
Check out Battle Los Angeles. The military kicks ass in that one.
Thank you for recommending one of the worst movies in American history.
>peak schizo fast cuts and shakycam
Is this bait?
No
The buttons are totally different and way more complicated and the handling is a lot different than just getting in a different model of cars
IRL militaries have conversion units just to switch pilots from one aircraft type to another, and it takes at least half a year of constant flying
That's exactly what the Ukrainian pilots have been doing BTW
It took me literal decades to realise they're also launching Harpoons in the first salvo
>battle: LA marine powerlevels going from pls no bully to deathmachines
I really wish they kept the aliens as mysterious and invincible as they were at the start. The first encounter was the best, where that one Marine magdumps an alien 1v1 and they decide to use a frag grenade on the corpse just to be sure it's dead. By the end the aliens are going down hard to center mass 5.56 hits.
Imagine if they kept the strong aliens and had armored vehicles for the end scene. Seeing the tank aliens you've watched take hits left and right for the whole movie get splattered by a LAV surrounded by Marines would have definitely topped the original ending fight.
For me, it's EDF.
There's nothing quite like calling in howitzer strikes on a horde of ayys.
Too few and too specialized humans. I want grunts. Lots of grunts. Think Letters from Iwo Jima or Band of Brothers, except it's humanity vs aliens. Or Steel Division/Wargame series as a videogame example.
It was nice until the soldiers become heroes that single-handedly win the battle for earth.
they didn't win the battle for earth, moron. they just won a local battle.
>recommend me a movie
>no not that one
then shut the frick up.
Why didn't they nuke the aliens after the shields were down, though.
They were over Area 51 at that point. Nuking them would have been suicide. They did nuke the mothership in orbit.
I think when the fate of the entire species is on the line then sacrificing some people by nuking all ships in that short time window you got has a somewhat better chance of succeeding than finding a drunk redneck with a vengeance to kamikaze himself into their main weapon while it's currently firing for every single ship around the globe.
I'd wager that a tactical nuke at the top wouldn't even be strong enough to blast through the bottom. It's what, 1 kilometer of some metal?
The rest of the world, having very few fighters left, presumably did. You didn't really think that a handful of aborigines with spears brought down the ship over Sydney?
It's implied they brought them down similarly around the world since the president says something along the lines of "get the word out, tell everybody how to beat these bastards" after the success of the kamikaze attack.
Not as much of an aerial battle than a cat playing with a mouse but this will always be my favorite:
I love the aerial photography in this movie. It's the nice long sustained shots, none of this "fast cuts mean action" shit.
>That shot where a Zero flying through cloud cover is being stalked by a Tomcat that appears from the mist at 6 o'clock low
I do too. Just lots of real pure airplane shots. Take off and landing scenes were just great.
One of my favorite movies with awesome aerial cinematography is The Hunters (1958). It exists in color and in HD, absolutely pure bliss.
Man i need to rewatch Independence Day. It must be 15-20 years since I saw it but it's always stayed with me as sort of the platonic ideal of an action movie
The build up in the beginning definitely holds up, as do the fighter scenes. DO NOT watch the directors cut. Jud Hirsch plays the best israeli stereotype in cinema history in this movie.
What director's cut?!
Fact
>nobody tell him
>What director's cut?!
Don't do it! It's just a bunch of extra dialog that definitely should have been cut. Will Smith and his stripper gf are about 60% more jive.
That part where Dr. Malcolm shows Data how he figured the Ayys signal should definitely have stayed. The rest can go.
I like the early spitfire scenes in Dunkirk because it shows how disorienting air combat was. Everything's loud, everything's shaking, you're constantly trying to unfrick the airplane while tracking time and dogfighting.
You haven't lived until you see tomcat vs zero
That movie could have been so amazing if they actually did the payoff.
I actually didn't mind the ending. The airplane footage is so great, that I can watch it over and over.
If you're desperate for an ending,
Some guy played out the battle on one of those Strategic Naval battle simulators. Shouldn't be too hard to find his forum post with your favorite search engine.
Can you really take civilian pilots and teach them into fighter pilots in like <24 hours?
Even boomers who flew the F-5, F-4 and F-14?
despite being a kind of shitty movie overall, Dunkirk nailed the aerial combat.
Edge of Tomorrow > Battle Los Angeles > War of the Worlds (Tom) > Arrival > Independence Day > Mars Attacks > The Day the Earth Stood Still >>>>>>>>>>> Cloverfield > Pacific Rim > A Quiet Place > Battleship
There's that youtube channel of that former fighter pilot and his buddy who critiques fighter jet stuff which is pretty neat.
He doesn't explain his jargon so it can get kinda confusing if you go in without knowing anything about that stuff.
>tfw the Stellaris/ID4 crossover
%3D%3D
Aeral combat movies are dead.
Now we have real thing and pathetic attempts of Hollywood directors who knows nothing about aeral combat have no chance
*teleports behind you*
simply the greatest milcharacter off all time
who the frick is that?!
The guy in OP without the helmet or mask.
This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ACezZ_HzM&ab_channel=AdmiralTeitoku
This has yet to be beat in any piece of media whether it is animated or live action. Antianimegays will have a kneejerk reaction to hate it without even watching it but it's the closest to what real life air combat in an EW environment looks like and it's entertaining and edge of your seat tense from beginning to end.
>no spinoff about combined world militaries cleaning up the dimensional rift
>no A10 gun runs on giant elephant octupus horse while dodging horse sized wasps
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"You just lost a refinery."
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"I want theese people dis-troy-id."