Good lord. I used to think BJJ could actually be useful on the ground, but this literally proves it isn't. The guy on top just fucking pummelled the bottom guy until he won.
Ryan Hall is a meme fighter and his BJJ isn't even great. He got submitted by Nate Diaz in a grappling even like it was nothing.
He has no business being in the UFC, he could maybe do regional MMA
roll with it, lock arm with some crazy ass leg lock, slam offenders face into the ground, punch them in the face a few times.
honestly the really good ones will simply manipulate you into being incapable of punching them in the face. it's really annoying to end up stuck in those situations.
the real question is what are they going to do when you brought a friend to kick them in the head while their busy with you.
Get into a better position or just throw punches back. You don't have to be Jack Dempsey to throw drunk ground and pound haymakers.
I don't think many martial artists recommend getting into fights at all. It only takes a second to get permanently disfigured/blinded by a beer glass to the face or bleeding out in the ambulance because someone pulling a knife.
All these fancy martial arts moves only work in a controlled environment with set rules and restrictions. In a real fight the only thing stopping a retard with less self preservation than you from charging you with the intent of choking you out of gouging out your eyeballs is that you generally would not find anyone that unhinged and would instantly escalate from fists to permanent damage/risk of death.
>All these fancy martial arts moves only work in a controlled environment with set rules and restrictions
Nah, guillotines and rear naked chokes work pretty well in a real fight.
Point is people trained in submission martial arts can execute such attacks much better. They are in better control of opponents arms and flow of the grounded fight in general. >imma gonna gouge out his eyes! >oh wait it's me who is mounted, he holds my right arm with his, his left right hand fingers gouge my eyes and he hides his head on the right side of my head so I can't really reach his head with my left semi free arm > what to do? ACK!
All these "illegal moves" are more useful for wrestler really. All these MMA restrictions against grounded opponent (ban of elbow, headbutts, kicks and knees to the head etc) they all work against wrestlers, because they make finishing grounded opponent harder and reduce value of good takedown. Now strikers can turtle and defend more effectively if they were taken down. But if attacking wrestler has all these moves to finish downed opponent wrestling value skyrockets. You absolutely don't want to be taken down and end up in disadvantaged position.
Not everyone is a weakling like you and never learned to fight. There is probably a dozen different martial arts gyms near you. It's not an amazing feat you apparently think it is to attend.
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>i-i'm a big boy, I swear
1 month ago
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Cope.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I accept your begrudging surrender.
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Anonymous
Sweaty, you lost. Now go to the gym and stop being a libtard.
>the real question is what are they going to do when you brought a friend to kick them in the head while their busy with you.
You shoot the friend(s) with your gun then engage the main assailant in a honorable 1vs1.
>Lay on the ground for 20 minutes exhausted and then eventually get an arm bar?
And what is the point jumping around on you toes for 30 minutes and crying "referee brake!!!!" Every time opponent grabs you head you stick into opponent armpit (because it is good place to hid face from strikes am I right?
> What if I just punch him
Unless you spend a good amount of time beating the shit out of people outside bars/clubs or at least boxing, my recommendation is don't fuck with wrestlers in general. Someone taking your back while standing up usually ends unpleasantly, and there's enough videos of dudes getting dumped on their necks on pavement.
I'm not talking about a standing choke. I mean getting dumped on your head on pavement from a seatbelt toss, ura nage, or even a suplex if the guy really hates your guts.
Being the aggressor. If you attack first, then they probably won't be able to just punch you. That being said, you don't know what level of training they've had and if they outclass you in weight, you're better off not trying regardless.
I am, and I've heard from some instructors that advancing means you can beat most people bigger then you if you're a higher belt than them, but that mostly applies to guys at the same gym and I've more commonly heard some version of "you need x number of ranks above someone for every weight class/10 pounds/3 inches in height/inch of reach/etc." that they have over you. And, unless they're wearing a gi, you have no way of knowing if you DO outrank someone on the street.
What are the chances that a guy who can afford BJJ classes every month is also going to be low IQ enough to attack you on the street for no reason? Unless you yourself are going around trying to start fights with people.
You're missing the point. When fighting someone bigger and stronger than you, you need to be skilled the whole time, but he only needs to be lucky for one moment.
People are VERY bad at fighting. It’s not a common enough occurrence where individuals are trained to deal with, so your animal brain kicks in and uses you fleshy appendages to fight. But grappling is better for dealing with only one person since once you get someone on the ground you have all the control as they most likely will just flail about trying to escape. The biggest weakness of grappling is that once another party or more assailants show up then you need to strike to hopefully put a few out of the fight to then start again with single target grappling
They all do BJJ, you kinda have to. There's no way around it. If you aren't decently well versed in BJJ you will get easily submitted. In many ways being an MMA fighter means being knowledgeable of BJJ to some extent so that you may then use whatever it is you want to use to win your fights. Otherwise you'll eat a leg lock, arm bar, or choke.
Judokas and Samboists are perhaps the only type of fighters that can probably skip learning BJJ to be successful in the octagon.
In a street fight, you would obviously use striking where necessary. Still, if you know what you're doing, striking shouldn't be necessary to deal with a random attacker on the street. Some BJJ submissions (e.g. rear naked choke) can cause a person to lose consciousness in as little as three seconds.
It's not a martial art that prepares for that. BJJ is more like human chess than a practical maartial art. There's no striking. It's just a contest of who can put who into a submission hold first.
You unironically need to look at krav maga to see examples of gun disarms.
I train wrestling, bjj no-gi and gi, and muay thai
best bjj response is actually knowing how to strike, take down, and grapple, shouldnt just train one fucking thing
There's no punching in BJJ competition. Gracie Jiu Jitsus answer is to punch them in the face when they're in a position where they can't do it to you.
By going to sleep
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Good lord. I used to think BJJ could actually be useful on the ground, but this literally proves it isn't. The guy on top just fucking pummelled the bottom guy until he won.
Ryan Hall is a meme fighter and his BJJ isn't even great. He got submitted by Nate Diaz in a grappling even like it was nothing.
He has no business being in the UFC, he could maybe do regional MMA
roll with it, lock arm with some crazy ass leg lock, slam offenders face into the ground, punch them in the face a few times.
honestly the really good ones will simply manipulate you into being incapable of punching them in the face. it's really annoying to end up stuck in those situations.
the real question is what are they going to do when you brought a friend to kick them in the head while their busy with you.
Don't all (real) martial arts aggree that in a one to many fight you're fucked?
Get into a better position or just throw punches back. You don't have to be Jack Dempsey to throw drunk ground and pound haymakers.
I don't think many martial artists recommend getting into fights at all. It only takes a second to get permanently disfigured/blinded by a beer glass to the face or bleeding out in the ambulance because someone pulling a knife.
yeah leandro lo who is a bjj world champion got into a fight with a police officer who shot him in the head and killed him.
“Firearms abolish the tyranny of the strongest and protect the integrity of the weakest”
He won the altercation then the other guy pulled a gun a while later.
he should have killed when he had the chance
It was a bar fight scuffle. Not a life or death situation.
All these fancy martial arts moves only work in a controlled environment with set rules and restrictions. In a real fight the only thing stopping a retard with less self preservation than you from charging you with the intent of choking you out of gouging out your eyeballs is that you generally would not find anyone that unhinged and would instantly escalate from fists to permanent damage/risk of death.
>All these fancy martial arts moves only work in a controlled environment with set rules and restrictions
Nah, guillotines and rear naked chokes work pretty well in a real fight.
Point is people trained in submission martial arts can execute such attacks much better. They are in better control of opponents arms and flow of the grounded fight in general.
>imma gonna gouge out his eyes!
>oh wait it's me who is mounted, he holds my right arm with his, his left right hand fingers gouge my eyes and he hides his head on the right side of my head so I can't really reach his head with my left semi free arm
> what to do? ACK!
All these "illegal moves" are more useful for wrestler really. All these MMA restrictions against grounded opponent (ban of elbow, headbutts, kicks and knees to the head etc) they all work against wrestlers, because they make finishing grounded opponent harder and reduce value of good takedown. Now strikers can turtle and defend more effectively if they were taken down. But if attacking wrestler has all these moves to finish downed opponent wrestling value skyrockets. You absolutely don't want to be taken down and end up in disadvantaged position.
>All these "illegal moves" are more useful for wrestler really
Cope
NTA, but you lost.
Didn't play.
Your concession is accepted.
Touch grass, fatty.
Have sex, weakling
Probably more than you do, larper.
>i-i'm a big boy, I swear
Ok kiddo
Cope.
Seethe.
Dilate.
BINGO!
thanks for playing
You lost. Now learn to fight, retard.
>t. larper
Not everyone is a weakling like you and never learned to fight. There is probably a dozen different martial arts gyms near you. It's not an amazing feat you apparently think it is to attend.
>i-i'm a big boy, I swear
Cope.
I accept your begrudging surrender.
Sweaty, you lost. Now go to the gym and stop being a libtard.
Anyone who knows how to throw a punch and has taken at least one to the face in a controlled environment has an immediate advantage in a fight
>the real question is what are they going to do when you brought a friend to kick them in the head while their busy with you.
You shoot the friend(s) with your gun then engage the main assailant in a honorable 1vs1.
Punch them in their face more and harder
checked lol
no martial art has an answer to that, other than "don't get hit"
UFC 1
Lay on the ground for 20 minutes exhausted and then eventually get an arm bar?
Blacks must be immune to BJJ because they always got a buddy to deal with this strat.
>Lay on the ground for 20 minutes exhausted and then eventually get an arm bar?
And what is the point jumping around on you toes for 30 minutes and crying "referee brake!!!!" Every time opponent grabs you head you stick into opponent armpit (because it is good place to hid face from strikes am I right?
It depends on how you strike or punch.
If you're on top of him and you're punch
Not much of power
> What if I just punch him
Unless you spend a good amount of time beating the shit out of people outside bars/clubs or at least boxing, my recommendation is don't fuck with wrestlers in general. Someone taking your back while standing up usually ends unpleasantly, and there's enough videos of dudes getting dumped on their necks on pavement.
You can get out of a rear standing hold by doing this.
I'm not talking about a standing choke. I mean getting dumped on your head on pavement from a seatbelt toss, ura nage, or even a suplex if the guy really hates your guts.
This is why you should train a striking art first.
Being the aggressor. If you attack first, then they probably won't be able to just punch you. That being said, you don't know what level of training they've had and if they outclass you in weight, you're better off not trying regardless.
Are you actually trained in BJJ? If you are, you'll know that the definition of some belts is being able to defeat a larger opponent of a lesser belt.
I am, and I've heard from some instructors that advancing means you can beat most people bigger then you if you're a higher belt than them, but that mostly applies to guys at the same gym and I've more commonly heard some version of "you need x number of ranks above someone for every weight class/10 pounds/3 inches in height/inch of reach/etc." that they have over you. And, unless they're wearing a gi, you have no way of knowing if you DO outrank someone on the street.
What are the chances that a guy who can afford BJJ classes every month is also going to be low IQ enough to attack you on the street for no reason? Unless you yourself are going around trying to start fights with people.
You're missing the point. When fighting someone bigger and stronger than you, you need to be skilled the whole time, but he only needs to be lucky for one moment.
None, it's not combat training, it's a martial art/sport
People are VERY bad at fighting. It’s not a common enough occurrence where individuals are trained to deal with, so your animal brain kicks in and uses you fleshy appendages to fight. But grappling is better for dealing with only one person since once you get someone on the ground you have all the control as they most likely will just flail about trying to escape. The biggest weakness of grappling is that once another party or more assailants show up then you need to strike to hopefully put a few out of the fight to then start again with single target grappling
BJJ and Muay Thai are the best martial arts combo.
T. Trained at MMA gyms and spared with high level MMA fighters
Wrestling losers on suicide watch…
The only current UFC champion with a BJJ background is a woman.
They all do BJJ, you kinda have to. There's no way around it. If you aren't decently well versed in BJJ you will get easily submitted. In many ways being an MMA fighter means being knowledgeable of BJJ to some extent so that you may then use whatever it is you want to use to win your fights. Otherwise you'll eat a leg lock, arm bar, or choke.
Judokas and Samboists are perhaps the only type of fighters that can probably skip learning BJJ to be successful in the octagon.
In a street fight, you would obviously use striking where necessary. Still, if you know what you're doing, striking shouldn't be necessary to deal with a random attacker on the street. Some BJJ submissions (e.g. rear naked choke) can cause a person to lose consciousness in as little as three seconds.
Why am I so erect right now?
Because you're a submissive gay.
God I wish that was me
>Gina Carano won't ever choke you then softly cuddle you back to life
Close distance, head spike osoto gari.
So what is bjj's answer to just getting fucking shot in the face?
It's not a martial art that prepares for that. BJJ is more like human chess than a practical maartial art. There's no striking. It's just a contest of who can put who into a submission hold first.
You unironically need to look at krav maga to see examples of gun disarms.
I train wrestling, bjj no-gi and gi, and muay thai
best bjj response is actually knowing how to strike, take down, and grapple, shouldnt just train one fucking thing
There's no punching in BJJ competition. Gracie Jiu Jitsus answer is to punch them in the face when they're in a position where they can't do it to you.