So let’s say hypothetically I got sent a significantly higher volume of ammo than I ordered, in this scenario do I return the ammo or do I just count it as a lucky gift?
So lets say hypothetically I got sent a significantly higher volume of ammo than I ordered, in this scenario do I return the ammo or do I just coun...
Keep the ammo, Satan. I don't want to pick up any extra hot loads that will send me straight to your domain.
How significant? If you ordered 100 rounds and got 1000 or even 10,000 just keep it. If you got a literal truckload it might fall into the realm of "no reasonable person could think this was intentional" and get legally murkey.
Just wait for them to ask for it back. If they never do then just keep it.
From what I understand, anything that is sent to you by mail and addressed to you is legally your property. They can ask for it back, but you're not legally obligated to give it to them.
If it's in a normal box, probably. If OP signed for a pallet, then maybe not.
It doesn't matter. The law is specifically so someone can't mail you something and then demand payment for it. If they mail you a pallet of ammo, and it's addressed to you, then congrats, it's now your pallet of ammo.
https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered
Not quite. If it's unsolicited that's the case, but if you ordered X amount and directly signed for something that's clearly 10,000 times X amount, something you can't order in good faith that you reasonably thought was what you ordered when you signed for it, it's not so clean. An order quantity fuckup isn't the same thing as getting ammo addressed to you that you didn't order at all.
Do you have a source for that? As far as I can tell, there are no caveats where that law stops applying after a certain quantity. Even if you only ordered one box and get an entire truckload, the law says it's yours. No backsies. Again, they can ask for it back, but you're under no obligation to give it.
It's not about quantity but about "mistake in a real order you made" versus "company sent an unsolicited order". A company can't send an unsolicited order and expect you to return it, but they can ask you to return a mistake in an order you actually did make. But quantity is important because of the "reasonable person" legal standard. A reasonable person could see a box twice the size as needed to hold your order and think it's just too big a box. A reasonable person could not order 100rd of ammo and believe the 18 wheeler entirely full of ammo is meant for them.
Quantity alone still means nothing. If you ordered no ammo at all and they sent you an entire fucking cargo ship you're in the clear. But the fact there is AN order changes that.
Again, I'm going to need a source on that. With a quick google search I can find plenty of examples of people ordering one item, getting several, and not having to return it. Besides, in my example of getting a whole truckload that's still an unsolicited order. You got your one solicited order of one box, then you got an unsolicited order of a truckload minus a box. Getting anything at all other than what you ordered IS and unsolicited order by definition, and is still yours.
If the company that sent it to you fucked up that bad, that's on them and they get to eat the cost, full stop. They don't get to make any demands of you to fix their fuckup, and they damn sure don't get to accuse you of stealing something that they picked, packaged, addressed, and shipped to you of their own accord. They can politely ask for it back all they want, but you still don't have to give it to them.
nta but I would look to see if any court cases happened regarding that.
No reasonable person should be sending several thousand dollars worth of a product when only a hundred or so dollars worth was ordered. You could make that argument in the opposite direction.
Yeah right anon if somebody mails you a nuke surounded with naked horny little girls it is now your nuke and your naked horny little girls.
That's totally how life works.
At very least they can't demand you pay for them or that you mail them back. Also people with nukes can do whatever the fuck they want, and that is in fact how life works.
this is correct
if they send it to you, its yours.
Just to add, if you intend to do further exchanges with this person or company you should consider being upfront with them about it if it was a significant amount.
If they screw up and then punish you for not fixing their mistake, that's not a company you should be doing business with anyway.
What about netflix DVDs?
No late fees, Netflix can't take the DVDs back, but they can refuse to send you more until you turn them in/pay for them.
Isn’t it law that you are not obligated to return things that are delivered to you (that are addressed to you).
I take it this is not applicable to shit that belongs to government and you'll get fucked.
>in this scenario do I return the ammo or do I just count it as a lucky gift?
if they ask it back nicely and offer to pay for shipping consider giving it back
In the US nobody can do shit about sending you too much and/or the wrong product. It's to stop scammers and shit. If you really like the people you bought it from you can tell them (they'll probably tell you it's no big deal) but if you offer to pay for it they might take you up on it.
I got 16 pounds of powder mid last year instead of 2 and didn't bother them. Their inventory system will get corrected and it's no big deal.
So OP--how much ammo we talking? Don't be a bitch, tell us how much you ordered and how much you actually got.
I can't believe nobody has asked for this detail. WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND TO KNOW OP.
Say nothing. Enjoy free extra ammo. Simple as.
Why is this even a thread? Fucking hate moral fags
Just fucking keep it anon. The people who fucked up your order are most likely going to keep their mouth shut since they wont want to get in trouble. And by the time the inventory or the mishap has been discovered the transaction will be so far down in limbo that everyone that could be responsible will have no idea who did what.
I received a whole washing and dryer unit for fuckin free. Good ones too. High tech Samsung shit I dont need. I ordered them then had buyers regret since they were too expensive and only bought them because my Wife liked them. But I wanted a (new at the time) Mossberg 590A1 Retro Shotgun. So I went back to the Store and canceled the order. Then went online a bought my shotgun. Lucky for me though I noticed a day later that the Washer and Dryer were still set for delivery even though I got a full refund! So when the machines came I was set up in my garage waiting for the delivery guys. Now they were set to install them, and I know for a fact they dont like doing it. So I just told them to drop them right there in the garage and Ill do it. They loved it. Took the machines off the dollies and ran off. Didn't bother to have me sign anything.
No one cares anon. Keep the ammo.
I got an extra mag from RRA for a caliber I don't own. I told them and they said to keep it. Amazon also didn't care when I ordered one carbide end mill and got a whole box.
Just call the supplier and tell them. If they want it back, they can come and collect it. You should not be paying for their fuck up or wasting your time returning it though.
Ammo is generally not returnable, I think for liability reasons. So if you want to feel like you took the high road, let them know and they'll probably just let it go.
Damn, that's a fat ass frog
If I order just a hamburger at McDonalds drive thru and end up getting a huge order from the car behind me, is it mine to keep if I drive away or is that stealing?
Just cough on it.
It is theft
decimal place mistakes happen al the time in business. the seller should notify the buyer and try to reconcile/recoup before taking legal action but they don't have to. they will have to prove it was theirs, that they sent it in error, and that you received it but that's what ERP is for
It is entirely up to the vendor to pursue compensation. If they don't, you don't have to do anything. I usually get it corrected to keep the relationship and my books tidy but if it was a vendor I didn't give a shit about I wouldn't sweat it, legally
Morally you are obliged to reach out and notify of them of the error. Ethically and legally you don't have to do anything, but I would since I enjoy not being a garbage person
>It is entirely up to the vendor to pursue compensation. If they don't, you don't have to do anything.
And if they do, you still don't have to do anything. What would they even accuse you of? Stealing the stuff they sent you?
>Morally you are obliged to reach out and notify of them of the error. Ethically and legally you don't have to do anything, but I would since I enjoy not being a garbage person
You're in the wrong place to be a moralfag.
They do some accounting, send you a notarized bill and if you don't pay up they call the lawyers and depending on the amount and the state each party is in start either criminal or civil proceedings against you. Then each side has to prove they did/didn't send/receive the items and pay for some/all/none of them.
Generally the cost benefit is pretty clear, for a couple hundred bucks of inventory its more expensive to go after it so you take it out of Julio and Tyrone's paycheck at the warehouse for fucking up and move on
Also not for nothing but this is how goods and money get laundered sometimes, "it fell off the back of the truck" and all that
Federal law is clear that everything you just said is wrong.
https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#:~:text=By%20law%2C%20companies%20can't,it%20as%20a%20free%20gift.
Also,
>the state each party is in start either criminal or civil proceedings against you
The company (or any other victim really) cannot start criminal proceedings because they want to. Only those designated by state law may start criminal proceedings. A private company is not one of those individuals.
https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/types-cases/criminal-cases#:~:text=Only%20the%20government%20initiates%20a,another%20appropriate%20law%20enforcement%20agency.
>for a couple hundred bucks of inventory its more expensive to go after it so you take it out of Julio and Tyrone's paycheck at the warehouse for fucking up and move on
It is illegal for an employer to deduct from an employee's paycheck due to a mistake on the part of the employee. Doing so is a violation of federal labor law.
https://www.k2employmentlaw.com/blog/2020/november/what-is-my-employer-allowed-to-deduct-from-my-pa/#:~:text=Paycheck%20deductions%20permitted%20by%20law,paycheck%20is%20subject%20to%20them.
Everything about your post reeks of boomer stupidity. How about next time instead of talking about shit you obviously know nothing about you either shut up or do some actual legal research. Stop spreading fake news on the internet you retarded boomer.
Every single thing i have put ITT I have personal experience with and you are an absolute blockhead, like they should build the First Bank of Stupidtown with your head as the corner stone
>https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products
literally irrelevant to anything in the OP or my answers
>cannot start criminal proceedings
no, but your fucking LAWYERS which I SAID, can call the fucking cops or the DA and get them to start the ball rolling, that is part of their JOB, you are super bad at this
>illegal for an employer to deduct from an employee's paycheck
sure is. happens anyway, all day every day. Its one reason I like to be a stand up guy and notify my suppliers if there's a problem. Don't like it? get your own lawyer Jamal
I was gonna say why not just hose down the boxes and say you left it outside or something if you really didn't wanna give it back. Regardless of you being in the right, though, companies can still be a pain in the ass with frivolous shit so if they push it's better to let them come and take the extra if you plan on dealing with them in the future.
I think it depends on when you notice.
My local taco bell just gives you a random assortment of stuff that is approximately the right price. I usually don't fuck with yhe bag until I get home, at which point returning it is retarded.
I ordered a hamburger while drunk af at 1am and got a bag worth at least $200 in hamburgers, hot dogs and breakfast tacos at Whataburger one time. They never asked if it was mine just dumped it on my table and took my number card thing. I took it and ran lmao. What are they going to do, tackle me in the parking lot over some goyslop?
You're probably fine. If you're worried just hold on to the extra ammo for a few weeks and only shoot what you ordered. If they don't say anything then you got a free gift.
the way the actual law works is...
as morality increases, freedom increases
as morality decreases, freedom decreases
this is not on an individual basis, but the entire population
>So let’s say hypothetically I got sent a significantly higher volume of ammo than I ordered, in this scenario do I return the ammo or do I just count it as a lucky gift?
You give it back and be right with God
Just hope it wasn't delivered by gun haha
From a legal standpoint unsolicited items mailed to a residence are considered gifts.