i work with expert engineers in the field and they all use ryobi at home. that should tell you something. plus its the same company as milwaukee now so they share tech.
this. ryobi is the best. it stands out on the work job site too. if someone has your tool, you can call them out and shirtfront them for taking it and have them hauled off the work job.
Batteries suck, but they do warranty them. Tools are fine.
I'm an expert engineer, please don't listen to us about tools. I type on a laptop for a living. Engineers buy meme tools like the were pocket lego set and ltt screwdrivers.
Imaging owning green tools, lmao. Green isnt even a real color, it was invented by the druish.
Fair criticism.
Why are americans so obsessed with tools brand?
I swear that shit makes me cringe hard seeing fanboys acting like 10 years old, especially with overpriced crap.
Just get the cheapest one that'll last and is comfortable for you.
Red army is real. Wera fanboys may be worse. OP is just asking if a product is good before jumping into it.
>do you make your living with your tools?
Yes, I do. And all my cordless is Ryobi. >any other opinion is a brand shill
Except your opinion, right?
All the shit is made in asiaticland, it's just a question of design and quality control.
If you like something, use it. Skill is skill and talent is talent. Wearing Nikes doesn't make you Michael fricking Jordan.
expand your market by having duct taoe and a portable, dissassemblable miniature crown boring jig with you at all time whichever bathroom-equipped establishment you visit!
The tools work. The drill drills, the wrench wrenches, the shopvac sucks, the circular saw cuts, the fan blows... Ryobi does it all. Aside from a few outliers that are few and far between, a Ryobi won't beat a Milwaukee or a DeWalt in speed, power, or performance, but it also won't cost as much.
Also hard to beat the variety of things, Ryobi used to have the widest range, probably still do but the margin is getting thinner.
Why are americans so obsessed with tools brand?
I swear that shit makes me cringe hard seeing fanboys acting like 10 years old, especially with overpriced crap.
Just get the cheapest one that'll last and is comfortable for you.
Because batteries are expensive, and getting more than a couple tools in a brand is committing to it. So you don't want to get several tools deep into a set then realize you've wasted your money on shitty Harbor Freight trash as it starts breaking on you.
I really wish more brands would share batteries, without having to use jank 3rd party adapters.
Atleast in the case of them having the same parent company there is almost no reason (other than legacy reasons) for them not to be compatible. Like dewalt and MAC can share batteries, but im not sure any of the other brands owned by stanley can do the same.
I think picrel might be the same battery as DeWalt. Also Bosch I believe? Or one of those Yuro companies like Fein and Metabo are trying to standardize batteries across a bunch of brands that only sell like 3 tools.
You fricks are too picky anyway. Buy into one of the major brands and you can buy every tool one could reasonably expect on that battery platform. If a different brand releases a tool that everybody has to have, your brand will start selling one by Q3 next year
I just think things being more universally compatible is good for the end useres, without legitimate downside.
Like apple can straight go frick itself with all its propretary cables and jacks and such The "U" in usb, stands for universal.
I imagine a world where a Milwaukee gay,down on his luck, needs a new battery, and perhaps cant afford or find a new red one, he could save some bucks buying a ryobi one, (as basically the same thing just with lesser cells inside) to get the job done. Or the opposite, a ryobigay wants a bit more umpf out of his tool, wants to see what this fancy new battery technology team read is putting out will do.
Just youknow, not feeling so brandlocked.
>wants to see what this fancy new battery technology team read is putting out will do
Ryobi is going to be dropping 4.0 packs with tabless cells within the next month or two for those who feel like they might not survive if they can’t get an extra 10% out of their drill that will snap wrists in low gear.
The Milwaukee guy can buy a used back off a buddy, he will be ok.
>I imagine a world where a Milwaukee gay,down on his luck, needs a new battery, and perhaps cant afford or find a new red one
Lol, lmao even. Milwaukee owners are never down on luck or poorgay enough to worry about the cost of a battery.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Idk, my father has been using the same milwaukee impact / drill combo for well over a decade, (i think he may have even bought them used asi dont remember them ever looking new) he has 3 batteries, two slim and one standard, the batteries are so fricked can't hold a charge for more than a few days, just sitting, on their own anymore so he resorts to letting one live on the charger to ensure it has some juice for when he needs it. Still isnt buying new ones.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Buy generic Waitley batteries. Get a red slide adapter to milwaukee. Open it up, check that the two wires that bridge the blades are properly done. I had to redo them because the idiot that soldered them, did not do it right.
Give that to your dad. Total out of pocket is like $75. He'll appreciate it, and it'll breathe new life into the tools.
You could DIY repair the milwaukee batteries, but since he's got not much of anything anyway, if you delay and or damage a pack and he needs to use it, it'll look bad on you.
I do wonder why the EU hasn't done anything to force a shared battery standard. They're usually all about that sort of thing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
it would probably come sometime, but it will be slow as frick, they'll probably try first to make the industry do themselves like with usb before actually forcing them to do so
they are putting a tons of frameworks and general legislation in that direction, so the brands will see and feel like they should do. But as with usbc there may be a bad apple that doesnt want to freely comply
I think picrel might be the same battery as DeWalt. Also Bosch I believe? Or one of those Yuro companies like Fein and Metabo are trying to standardize batteries across a bunch of brands that only sell like 3 tools.
You fricks are too picky anyway. Buy into one of the major brands and you can buy every tool one could reasonably expect on that battery platform. If a different brand releases a tool that everybody has to have, your brand will start selling one by Q3 next year
>dewalt and MAC can share batteries, but im not sure any of the other brands owned by stanley can do the same.
Just checked and will confirm dewalt and Black&decker batteries are not swappable.
Dewalt batt fits about half way into a dewalt tool. B&D batt doesnt fit into a dewalt atall.
> EU will force them to
And then they will limit the current output to 500mA on foreign packs (or some other loophole that strictly speaking, allows compliance but fricks the consumer even harder since the politicians are in on it—see Sawstop) and have active weapons grade DRM and Crypto to prevent you from hard-wiring it.
They’re doing the DRM anyway.
More money than sense and small pee-pees. If you're a tradesman or doing serious renovations then you should splurge on the good shit but for the average PrepHoleer its pissing money away buying expensive tools.
I buy lidl parkside tools because they are cheap as chips and since I'm not using them to make a living and get sporadic use they last a long time. They're not good or bad, just ok.
Brandgays deserve the rope
Parkside isn't sold at north american LIDL. Probably the closest thing is Hercules Brushless from Harbor Freight.
Milwaukee and Dewalt are both jobber tools for people that depend on them every day, for long hours, and they MUST work or you are out serious money. There's certain things from certain vendors that may represent a better value proposition, particularly for home users (ryobi then):
Like the Bosch SDS Plus. Can pick up a corded, all day, for $65 on ebay. Or other corded tools you are going to use the frick out of, while being mostly in one spot, otherwise burning up batteries for no reason.
The Parkside is def closer to Bauer than the brushless Hercules at HF. It’s a lower tier than whatever the Hercules is trying to be.
I do wonder why the EU hasn't done anything to force a shared battery standard. They're usually all about that sort of thing.
If Yuros didn’t pay enough already for cordless tools. At a point, it probably wouldn’t even be worth selling half the tools they make if they’re not making profit off the batteries too. Maybe they make a super basic brushed version that uses EU-standard batteries and costs 4x the brushless XR Fuel version of the tool in the US.
I hate brandgayging so much its unreal. we built cathedrals and wonders of the world with nothing but hand tools, and now we got useless fat moron boomers that tell you a drill that drills, but 5% slower than some other brand, is a piece of shit and you should have a nice day for owning one. 'A bad carpenter blames his tools' holds true and always will.
yes, but modern convenience has abstracted away what true frustration is. We all climbed the mountain and we're on the final summit arguing over how to make the last 3 steps.
All you need right here, sonny. >https://www.harborfreight.com/
if you're being ironic, I built pic related with a dewilt chopsaw, cryobi drill, knock off kregg jig, mystery router from some dead guys tool collection and porter cable air tools. Oh, and a home cheapo floor sander >in b4 my argument's invalid because you dont like the color
people who actually do shit dont b***h about tools
>f you're being ironic
I was kinda joking, but at the same time am jealous that we dont have harbour freight up here, they wont ship large or heavy things here, and it wouldnt be worth shipping the smaller stuffs. but damn i really want a daytona jack, it hauled ass on project farm.
I actually have one near me, but never been. I will concede any obvious safety things when it comes to brandgayging. I remember trying to find car ramps, but all I could find where plastic pieces of shit, and nothing metal. If I saw a single review of failure it was out.
I'll buy certain things there. Self centering drill bits. Countersinks. Sockets. Single-use gloves and shop towels. I've got a really decent rechargeable multi-light from there.
Measuring tools from there are absolute garbage, neither accurate nor square. Anything powered is basically guaranteed to fail if pushed hard or used the way you'd use a Ryobi or better brand.
You haven't been to hazard freight in a while, they've purged a lot of the exceptionally low quality items from their inventory, I've checked several tape measures from there against my nice stuff, I've checked two different HF speed squares I've encountered in the wild against my USA made swanson and milwaukee, they were spot on. And their power tools, afaik the "warrior" stuff is still basically bottom barrel housewife arts & crafts tier but the bauer is fine and the hercules line is playing in the same general ballpark as the big boys. I know contractors using both. One buys bauer tools to let his mexicans abuse, the other is a solo act and uses hercules for himself
> Why are Americans so obsessed with tools brand, Just get the cheapest one that'll last and is comfortable for you.
Adam Smith:
"The intention of the fixed capital is to increase the productive powers of labour. In manufactures, the same number of hands, assisted with the best machinery, will work up a much greater quantity of goods than with more imperfect instruments of trade."
Our worthless paper money is not "durable" it inflates and gets taxed. So it only has few uses, to throw away on superior tools or real estate protected by our revolutionary laws.
Depends what you do. My carpenter brother lives and dies by his DeWalt stuff. I use Milwaukee as an industrial electrician. Milwaukee makes amazing trade specific tools but for an average DIY typex youre fine with whatever. DeWalt are very good and can take a beating but my company gave me Milwaukee when I got hired.
Except if the Hyundai was 1/3 the cost of a Ford or Toyota and you only used it twice a month, it would make a lot of sense.
https://i.imgur.com/hV1AMft.png
I'm doing a lot of flooring in may house right now and I bought a cordless Ryobi flooring saw for the job. It's worked out well so far. I only have Dewalt and Milwaukee tools so I had to get a battery adapter so I could run my 20v Dewalt batteries on it, I refuse to buy into another battery system.
Average sale price of a new vehicle in the USA is $48,000, while the average sale price of a new Hyundai is $26,000, close to half the price. The average American drives about 14,000 miles per year. SUVs skew that figure, if you only account for 3-row SUVs and Minivans the average is over 15k. For the Hyundai brand, around 11k.
So they are cheaper and used noticeably less than, for example, your average Ford. So if Hyundai is Ryobi, what does that make Kia? Hart, I guess? That's the Walmart TTI brand, right?
I'm doing a lot of flooring in may house right now and I bought a cordless Ryobi flooring saw for the job. It's worked out well so far. I only have Dewalt and Milwaukee tools so I had to get a battery adapter so I could run my 20v Dewalt batteries on it, I refuse to buy into another battery system.
>Coated blades. Will be banned shortly. Not sawstop compatible.
I see teeth/tips, so they're perfectly fine and are SawStop compatible according to SawStop.
>mini radial arm saw
No, you can do cross cuts at any angle then change the fence and rip longways like a table saw , extremely portable and handy tool to have for flooring.
have to do big job that will take ~20 hours >buy 200$ tool, save many hours >sell tool used for 100+$ >be satisfied
i'd probably just keep it though since I don't own any type of tablesaw and it looks quite versatile
not that anon but I'd do the same thing
i'm a plumber and am not known for skillsaw ability. the fact I even own a wireless one is because milwaukee fricked up a return and sent it to me for free with a sander I was getting fixed
i still just use my sawzall most the time
oh that sander I literally just bought to repaint my old truck
absolutely worth it, not gonna resell it though I find random uses for it
Pictures on the interwebs make there tools look green/black, which i think looks fine, but yeh it does seem to actually be kinda on the grey side, which looks shitty.
But there should obviously be tool brands in all colors of the rainbow so we can all gayout with our favourite colors. I want to see more purple, but not just any, i really like picrel. I know some brands make tools in purple specifically for the jap market, like Makita, but makita purple looks like ass, i want this purple.
They were better when introduced, like most power tool companies. But they are still decent, probably the best of the consumer grade, and they have loads of tools other companies dont.
Check out Project Farm and you'll see they are usually inferior to the big brand names but still capable and usually a good bargain.
It's a battery powered rotary tool in a fixed workstation. You can take the rotary tool and do other things or fix it in the workstation to use it like a drill press or holder.
>buy a $99 combo 10 years ago >batteries still fine, even after burning a hole in one and accidently draining the other below minimum charging voltage
Not like this, antiryobisisters..
It's not a fricking "router stand," it's a rotary multi-tool (colloquially known as Dremel) on a multi-purpose work stand. It's not even a "router bit" in it, it's a fricking sanding drum.
Bought a bunch of Ryobi in 2020 when I gutted and rebuilt a house that had a fire. One of the first batteries I bought died last year. The others are all still going strong. The circular saw is a bit weak-sauce, but it is the cheap-o brushed version and only an issue on 3/4" CDX and such. Only other issue so far has been a screw coming loose on the recip saw guard.
kek. Have gotten some Ridgid stuff now, their track saw is light-years ahead of the Ryobi one with its plastic base and wing-nut adjustments. Also picked up the hammer drill & impact special kit they did this last fall since my hammer drills were all corded no-name specials. The drill is a real arm breaker. But the Ryobi driver is fine for 99% of what I do.
Ryobi's also has a core fault that the riving knife tilts with the blade instead of plunging downwards, severely restricting the entry position if you need to plunge in at the end of the wood, and completely preventing a plunge cut.
> plunge cuts
The CPSC is probably going to ban those, as well as tablesaws.
They didn’t ban wobble dado blades though, LOL!
What a massive criminal enterprise you’ ve got going on there.
Don’t worry, the Canadians and Mexicans will make everything for you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The CPSC is probably going to ban those, as well as tablesaws.
They aren't banning tablesaws, they're in the stage where they're looking into requiring every new saw to have a sawstop-like safety system. And Sawstop has claimed they'll release to the public open use of the "840" patent that's key to preventing other companies from developing such a system. Which I'm a bit skeptical of, if they really wanted to make a grand gesture of safety, they could release that without demanding a regulation be put in place first.
But doing it will drive up the cost of every new saw.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sawstop made a very good argument for using their product. But what happened was the other saw companies didn't want a license it because they felt that putting such a device on there would open them to admitting that there is a problem with size they sold before and open them to Legal liability in the billions of dollars.
Saw a bunch of them conspired to try to screw over saw stop. They settled this through secret arbitration and now other companies are using it as well.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
> conspired to try to screw over saw stop
No, that’s the opposite of what happened.
Bosch, the only significant and non-infringing manufacturer was sued out of the U.S. market (only the U.S. market because he EU has a legitimate legal system) and they shut down operations. Also in the EU the bandsaw is a more typical tool. Then, sawstop granted them a license to the technology (which they werent using anyway) after the factories had already been shut down.
This is probably a “bait and switch” scheme, because they actually have 121 patents, not just one.
The one they used against bosch was the electronic touch sense which they stole from those nightstand touch sensitive table lamps that were popular in the 70s and should have never had a patent for in the first place.
If anything is going to destroy the rule of law in the U.S. it’s the over-the-top insane patent system.
And now, like the scheme to entrap bosch, they’re at it again. Other companies released their negotiations with sawstop already, and it’s pretty obvious they have a long-term pattern of negotiating in bad faith.
4 weeks ago
Anonymouse
Wasn’t there some shit like SawStop only sells $2000 table saws, and there’s no reason for them to affordably license the tech to other brands who aim to sell <$700 DIYer saws?
I read one article on it before I got bored and that seemed like a point of contention. But yea, I’m with the “frick sawstop”, the static touch thing isn’t exactly new tech, and the Bosch system is better. How are they going to patent every fast-braking saw system?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Remember too that the smallest Sawstop is $900 for the compact tabletop unit and it can't take dado stacks.
And their Jobsite Saw is $1600 and so was the Bosch Reaxx, which is a hard price to swallow when the DeWalt is $650 and the decent Skil copycat model is $300.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I got given a second 8-in table saw by my father-in-law before he died. Plus all is blades. There were a couple of good ones in there like one Forest one but the rest are garbage. I usually use that for dado cutting .
I also have two data sets made by dimar that I got at Lee Valley Tools over the years. One was one of their old sets from their classes so got discounted down to $45 I think. Some days I do need to use two different sets of dados for various things like doing rabbits on my main crosscuts on the small one.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If table saws get banned in the US (and dado blades, by induction) then there is going to be a run on routers and router tables to make things.
Also, “the router workshop” show is going to see a massive resurgence where they build all kinds of furniture and shit with just a router, and flat table with a hole in it.
Those were they days, and far better than a table saw.
Those wieners are probably going to start working on a “routerstop” technology soon after to get those banned too.
And then “chiselstop”
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>table saw ban
this will only effect midwits that are too scared to buy a used saw off cl or facefrick. those homosexuals have already convinced themselves that track saws are the be all, end all and should be disregarded anyways
Ridgid used to make good stuff. But they've cheapened out their brand after sucking people in with their initial quality and then cheapening up the design like the 13-in planer is now garbage.
They recently introduced a cheaper line of those shop/contractor tools made by one of the usual suspects like maybe Delta? Can’t remember, but the newer cheaper stuff doesn’t have the LSA.
Delta's got some pretty solid contractor saws out now, the base model's about the same price as DeWalt's jobsite saw and is very well built, with a t-lock fence that adjusts easily and holds square.
What is the cheapest way to get into the big batteries and new tools? I have a 10 year old drill and impact combo with the thin batteries and would like to get some larger ones and at least a circular saw.
What brand? Are you going to stick with that brand?
The “Spring Black Friday” sales are at Home Depot right now, and after that should be some Father’s Day sales, plus there are numerous authorized retailers for certain brands of tools.
DeWalt, for instance, has had 3.0Ah packs (5s2p) packs on sale for real cheap lately, and those aren’t huge capacity but 2 rows of 1500mAh 18650s put out a lot more power than the single row 2.0Ah packs. DeWalt has this 5.0Ah PowerStack plus a bare XR tool for $199 at HD right now.
What brand? Are you going to stick with that brand?
The “Spring Black Friday” sales are at Home Depot right now, and after that should be some Father’s Day sales, plus there are numerous authorized retailers for certain brands of tools.
DeWalt, for instance, has had 3.0Ah packs (5s2p) packs on sale for real cheap lately, and those aren’t huge capacity but 2 rows of 1500mAh 18650s put out a lot more power than the single row 2.0Ah packs. DeWalt has this 5.0Ah PowerStack plus a bare XR tool for $199 at HD right now.
This is a pretty good deal right now too. The 6.0 packs from DeWalt and Milwaukee are 2x rows of 3000mAh 21700 cells, so they are really good on high output tools.
What brand? Are you going to stick with that brand?
The “Spring Black Friday” sales are at Home Depot right now, and after that should be some Father’s Day sales, plus there are numerous authorized retailers for certain brands of tools.
DeWalt, for instance, has had 3.0Ah packs (5s2p) packs on sale for real cheap lately, and those aren’t huge capacity but 2 rows of 1500mAh 18650s put out a lot more power than the single row 2.0Ah packs. DeWalt has this 5.0Ah PowerStack plus a bare XR tool for $199 at HD right now.
It's the Ryobi thread so I meant ryobi. Not massive batteries, just whatever is the best value. I used a little battery in a ryobi circular saw at work and it was pretty weak so I imagine it'd need to be at least like 3 amp. If there is a deal on a bundle for not much I wouldn't mind getting more tools if it doesn't have a drill or impact in it, but I was manly looking at a saw.
On HD’s website right now, there’s picrel, or $189 for 2x 6.0s + 1x 4.0, $139 for 1x 6.0 and 1x 4.0, or $179 for 2x 6.0s, all of those are the HP packs.
That’s a pretty good price. A couple months back they had a 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 HP for $129, and I think the black friday deal was those 3 batteries plus a charger and free tool for $179-$199. Sometimes the 2x 4.0 non-HP packs go on sale for $79-$99, but I’m not sure how great they are on HP tools. I’ve been meaning to snag some HP packs because I would like to compare my cheap black 4.0Ah packs to the HP 4.0s in my HP trimmer. There’s an extra battery pickup on the HP stuff so it might be a 20% boost in power if that matters to you.
Depending on the tool you want, look online and see if it’s kitted with a battery, there are stupid deals. Like my trimmer was $160-$170 for the bare tool in store, or $120-$130 online with a 4.0 battery and charger.
Also with the saw, if you were using the cheap 5.5” budget brushed Ryobi saw that comes in the $149 starter kits, that’s a cheap saw and not powerful no matter what battery is on it.
The 7-1/4” full sized HP doesn’t have any great deals I see right now, but picrel is pretty good on the 6-1/2” HP saw. Bare tool is $129, so $33 and you get a 4.0HP pack plus a charger.
Are there still 2x 4.0 bundles? I'm using 10 year old 1.5's so anything is an improvement, not using them a whole lot so I don't need to min max 6.0's. I would prefer to be closer to $100 or under $150 max if they still had those bundles 2 for $100 just because it's not really a thing I NEED to upgrade right now.
I saw something on slick deals some stores having cheap bundles for like $70, but I don't have the will to hunt shit down anymore, just send it to me in the mail.
In terms of the saw I'm not looking for the best, just the cheapest that will function. If I had a blue one I'd probably just stick a big battery in it and call it a day.
I don't have a lot of energy anymore, so even pulling out extension cords and a saw will make me not want to do something, so just being able to grab something and make a cut or two on a sheet of plywood would be nice.
Most of that Home Depot stuff is online ordering, it’s easy.
You could check Amazon and Ebay, but I would stay away from knockoff brands, they’re always very iffy. If you get genuine Ryobi packs, the warranty process won’t be as easy, but they can probably exchange them based off whatever mfr date comes off the serial #.
I think Amazon had 2x 4.0ah non-HP packs for under $100. But as mentioned, I don’t know how much better the HP packs run the HP circular saws if you go that route.
Home Depot runs “Deal of the Day” 24hr sales on their website and it’s about once a week they have a bunch of power tools on there, so if you check it every AM when you’re on the shitter, open the HD app and see if it’s power tools that day.
The next big sales will probably pop up for father’s day, but no guarantee the 2x 4.0HP packs will be back on sale for ~$100 again. Honestly the $139 for a 4.0 and 6.0 HP isn’t bad, or this
https://i.imgur.com/1fdvue9.jpeg
Also with the saw, if you were using the cheap 5.5” budget brushed Ryobi saw that comes in the $149 starter kits, that’s a cheap saw and not powerful no matter what battery is on it.
The 7-1/4” full sized HP doesn’t have any great deals I see right now, but picrel is pretty good on the 6-1/2” HP saw. Bare tool is $129, so $33 and you get a 4.0HP pack plus a charger.
but if you’re 1.5Ah packs are 10 years old, it’s probably about time to replace those and maybe online you find 2x 2.0 and 2x 4.0 HP packs for ~$150, the HD online sales and kits change randomly.
Also if you’re in Home Depot for something else, always check the clearance endcaps because I saw the HP 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 3pk of batteries left over from the holidays for $119 at a store or two within the past month or two.
Most of that Home Depot stuff is online ordering, it’s easy.
You could check Amazon and Ebay, but I would stay away from knockoff brands, they’re always very iffy. If you get genuine Ryobi packs, the warranty process won’t be as easy, but they can probably exchange them based off whatever mfr date comes off the serial #.
I think Amazon had 2x 4.0ah non-HP packs for under $100. But as mentioned, I don’t know how much better the HP packs run the HP circular saws if you go that route.
Home Depot runs “Deal of the Day” 24hr sales on their website and it’s about once a week they have a bunch of power tools on there, so if you check it every AM when you’re on the shitter, open the HD app and see if it’s power tools that day.
The next big sales will probably pop up for father’s day, but no guarantee the 2x 4.0HP packs will be back on sale for ~$100 again. Honestly the $139 for a 4.0 and 6.0 HP isn’t bad, or this [...] but if you’re 1.5Ah packs are 10 years old, it’s probably about time to replace those and maybe online you find 2x 2.0 and 2x 4.0 HP packs for ~$150, the HD online sales and kits change randomly.
Also if you’re in Home Depot for something else, always check the clearance endcaps because I saw the HP 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 3pk of batteries left over from the holidays for $119 at a store or two within the past month or two.
Sheeeit this is still in stock too, it was just hard to find
1 month ago
Anonymouse
Are there still 2x 4.0 bundles? I'm using 10 year old 1.5's so anything is an improvement, not using them a whole lot so I don't need to min max 6.0's. I would prefer to be closer to $100 or under $150 max if they still had those bundles 2 for $100 just because it's not really a thing I NEED to upgrade right now.
I saw something on slick deals some stores having cheap bundles for like $70, but I don't have the will to hunt shit down anymore, just send it to me in the mail.
In terms of the saw I'm not looking for the best, just the cheapest that will function. If I had a blue one I'd probably just stick a big battery in it and call it a day.
I don't have a lot of energy anymore, so even pulling out extension cords and a saw will make me not want to do something, so just being able to grab something and make a cut or two on a sheet of plywood would be nice.
To find the $99 kit, you gotta go to this $199 posting first then click “2”
HD’s website is goofy but there’s always deals to be found. Nobody should pay full MSRP on batteries. And if you buy from HD, you get the easy 3 year warranty on the batteries
1 month ago
Anonymous
I tried that but mine still shows it out of stock, everything has to be a pain in the ass these days it seems.
1 month ago
Anonymous
How can batteries cost more than the tools?
Initially the batteries came free with cordless tools. And rightly so.
Now you’re buying them like a crack addict.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The batteries, while they do have a better service life than in the past, still have a limited service life. They're consumable like printer ink.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The batteries, while they do have a better service life than in the past, still have a limited service life. They're consumable like printer ink.
I've had many batteries for years without issue. recently the sticker over the lights and button peel'd off
i have milwauke, 2x6ah HP, 3x4ah, 2x2ah
i really like the 2ah lightweight batteries for my sander and impact, they last shockingly long and keep the tool light when doing a bunch of shit
i also bought some aftermarket 4ah for like 30$ a piece and while defenitely not being as good, for <1/4 the price they're nice backups
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lithium batteries aint cheap, looks like there's 25 18650's in that photo. Depending on the cells could cost anywhere from like $4-$10each at the consumer level.
They had the 9.0Ah packs for real cheap recently but now out of stock because I think the 8.0 and 12.0 packs with 10x and 15x 21700 cells are replacing the 15x 18650 9.0 packs.
Fun fact, if you want to get nerdy about it, generally the higher capacity the cell, the lower the power output.
Like Ryobi’s 4.0Ah and 6.0Ah packs are both made with 18650s, 2 layers of 2000mAh cells in the 4.0 and 3000mAh cells in the 6.0, so the 4.0 will have more balls. However, the 8.0 jumps up to larger 21700 cells which have more power output, so the 2 rows of 4000mAh 21700 cells will beat the 6.0Ah pack and likely the 4.0 pack in output.
But with the DeWalt batteries posted earlier, those 6Ah packs are 2 rows of 3000mAh 21700 cells with a ton of output, so they will output more power than the 8.0Ah packs.
Picrel look like 2 rows of 1500mAh 18650 cells, so they will be more powerful than the 4.0Ah packs and def more than the 6.0 Ryobi packs with 18650s, but will only have half the capacity of the 6.0 packs. Would have to look at the datasheets, but I doubt these 3.0s are going to be twice as much output as the 6.0s, maybe it’s 30%-50% more potiential output assuming the tool’s motor is asking for that current.
I wouldn’t dig into it too much though, the 6.0 HP packs should be much better than the basic black 2.0 packs on any HP tool.
>into the big batteries
I bought a "12Ah" battery off eBay for ~$50.
It actually measured ~8Ah but for $50 it is still a bargain.
I've used it quite a bit for the compressor which is a real 'drainer' and it has held up well.
The difference is also noticeable in the 7-1/4" saw.
I use ryobi and brandgays can get the rope. Just buy the tool that you need. If you are using a tool frequently then you can afford to replace it if it breaks or gets stolen with a better one. The harbor freight meta holds up. If you cant burn up a harbor freight tool then you probably didn't need it in the first place and if you do burn it up you can afford to buy something 2-3x the quality or more.
just because they're the same company doesn't mean they're the same quality
the difference between the brushed and fuel line of milwauke is like the difference between hart and ryobi
which is significant
you obviously don't use your tools daily or it would be increadibly obvious
You forgot about Doyle which was supposed to be their premium Klein and Knipex knockoff brand, until they started copying even more Knipex and had to stamp the Icon brand on it if they were going to sell >$20 pliers at Harbor Freight.
HF’s branding and tiers are still moronic. Remember Earthquake 20V? And the short lived Earthquake 12V? Feels for anybody who spent $$$ on Lynx outdoor power tools and then they dropped the Atlas stuff a couple months later.
They are all pretty damn similar and a lot of the components are probably sourced from the same suppliers. Its like how car manufacturers tend to have a bunch of bosch components. Really my only worry with electric tools would be the quality of the motor and the quality of the battery. Thats probably where the bulk of the cost is and an increase in price is just better motors and batteries. Pretty sure batteries degrade 20% in a year so just make sure you are getting good motors and rotate your batteries accordingly. Get fricked brandgays.
>Meanwhile, on the Torque Test Channel, they see major differences in some brands in performance depending on the battery, including huge gains on Makitas with extra-spicy house-built packs, but also on DeWalt tools by giving them bigger and especially 60V packs
Anybody making claims like yours is a delusional poorgay.
I just said the motors and batteries you fricking moron. The more money you spend the better motor and battery you get. No fricking shit you are going to get a better tool when you spend an extra $100 and they put in a battery and motor that costs them an extra $20
If you think the motors are the same I have a bridge to sell you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
how bad is your reading comprehension? I just said you get a slightly better motor and battery when you pay a premium. Whether or not the extra $100 or so you pay for it is up for debate.
1 month ago
Anonymouse
It’s often a bit more than just 10% better battery and motor. M18 Fuel compared to basic brushed Ryobi is going to have a couple extra features and better build all around. Ryobi HP vs M18 Fuel though, that’s when you’re looking at an extra $100 for 10% here and there.
However, you pay that Fuel pricing because Fuel tools require a lot of R&D to have the most innovative tools and features on the market. So you can save money with Ryobi but you might be stuck waiting 4-6 years for that Red tool to come out in Lime Green for $100 less.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Thats basically what I was going for. You get a better tool no doubt, but you are going to pay a premium. For the most part ryobi gets the job done for most people. I use my cordless ryobi drill maybe once a month. My 3d printer probably does 100+ hours a month. Sometimes I will air up my little 1 gallon ryobi compressor or slap a battery on the ryobi hot glue gun. If I used these tools everyday I would maybe spend more. At the end of the day though brand gays are just brand gays. If you really wanted to be a tool chad you would buy a class 5 500 bar composite tank from aerojetrocketdyne. Carry around a 3lb tank thats the equivalent of a 20 gallon compressor on a backpack with a quick connect hose and run your pneumatic tools for longer than you will be alive. Brandgays cannot compete with the pneumatic chad.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>500 bar
That sounds cool, but I don't need to strap OceanGate to my torso when I'm trying to shoot together a house.
>all the same >Kia = Lexus = Jaguar = Volkswagen = Chevy
Can’t argue with that, they will all get you from Nashville to Tucson on a few tanks of gas at 70mph when brand new
Parkside has brushless though. Iirc.
Bauer does not.
Bauer has brushless too. At this point, the brushless motors are getting so common it’s probably not that much more expensive and it became worth it for these companies to drop them in the DIYer tools as well.
> Bauer has brushless too. At this point, the brushless motors are getting so common
It’s because all those tools from “different” companies all source motors from 2 possible mainland Chinese factories. Especially the Chinese brands.
You didn’t think dewalt hand-crafted every motor with a team of white haired electrical and mechanical engineers did you?
In many cases, the off-brand is using the exact same motor. You’re paying 2x for marketing and injection molding that looks appealing to nike shoe aficionados and man-children with transformer stickers on the back of their pickup trucks.
All these coping tool gays think that the blue drill having 4% more power over the red that has 4% more power than the green matter for 10% more cost each.
What's a good screwdriver cost? Whatver the frick. Stop walking it, you're gonna go blind. Meanwhile the elect are over here paying $2000 for a quality screwdriver.
If you are a home owner who wants to do the odd project around the house ryobi is fine. If you are a professional carpenter or woodworker then you know better.
Dewalt milwalkee makita bosh are all solid
As a homebuilder my dad used Ryobi from the 90s until he retired a few years ago. He's still got Ryobi cordless screwguns older than me. Then again, being the builder entails a lot less regular heavy work than being on a drywall crew or something. If you need to cover a lot of bases for the same amount of money, Ryobi is probably fine as long as you don't buy the cheapest shit they offer.
I just use the 6-pack of craftsman cordless tools I bought for $200 and some larger chink batteries from Amazon. They work fine for work around the house/garage
In total I've had 3 ryobi tools.
First I bought was a pole saw attachment for my weed eater, it leaked oil out of the box because of a bad seal.
Second was a corded recip saw. It's okay, it's a recip saw what else can I say; it works.
Third, and more recently was a table saw that had a broken bevel lock out of the box, returned it. It was cheap, it felt cheap.
Never owned any of their battery operated tools tho.
>for a deck repair job
Don't get a drill for deck repair. Get a 1/4" impact driver.
The hex bits for deck screws snap into the quick-change bit holder.
I have 18v Milwaukee, Ryobi, and Bauer drivers and have used all of them on various decks.
In total I've had 3 ryobi tools.
First I bought was a pole saw attachment for my weed eater, it leaked oil out of the box because of a bad seal.
Second was a corded recip saw. It's okay, it's a recip saw what else can I say; it works.
Third, and more recently was a table saw that had a broken bevel lock out of the box, returned it. It was cheap, it felt cheap.
Never owned any of their battery operated tools tho.
>buy cheap table saw >complain that it doesn’t feel like a $1000 table saw
the standard battery charger seems to burn the contacts of the battery if you insert the battery before plugging in
It’s probably making an arc when you do that, I would bet the instructions for the charger tell you not to do that, but I’m not 100% since men don’t read instructions.
How can batteries cost more than the tools?
Initially the batteries came free with cordless tools. And rightly so.
Now you’re buying them like a crack addict.
They sell those 6-tool $199 kits as a loss leader and make the money on you buying batteries for 15 years. But even at that deal, like other anon said, good cells aren’t cheap, it’s like $3-$5 per cell on name brand stuff, especially the 3000mAh cells that can handle a fast charger and high discharge of a power tool.
>complain that it doesn’t feel like a $1000 table saw
Is it normal for sub 1k table saws to be broken out of the box? That's what I'm complaining about.
Sub-$1000? Absolutely not. DeWalt, Delta, Milwaukee, Skil, and so on all make excellent saws below that price. Ryobi's model is kind of crap with a bad fence, though. Better off paying the $300 for the Skil at that tier.
I've built several decks solo with a ryobi impact and driver. One + HP is really solid. I use them all the time on kitchens and tile prep.
I'm not impressed by their other products, they're generally harder to use or have more issues than all the step up brands. I have about a dozen experiences like
In total I've had 3 ryobi tools.
First I bought was a pole saw attachment for my weed eater, it leaked oil out of the box because of a bad seal.
Second was a corded recip saw. It's okay, it's a recip saw what else can I say; it works.
Third, and more recently was a table saw that had a broken bevel lock out of the box, returned it. It was cheap, it felt cheap.
Never owned any of their battery operated tools tho.
. Bauer and Rigid are probably good looks.
Lithium batteries aint cheap, looks like there's 25 18650's in that photo. Depending on the cells could cost anywhere from like $4-$10each at the consumer level.
Not all 18650s are created equal. Pretty much every manufacturer throws 8-12 of those in a tool battery. It's very similar to what's in a laptop.
While Ryobi tools are suitable for home projects and are an affordable option for your average diy-er (also w*men), I feel that Ryobi lacks the protracted rigidity of manufacturers like DeWalt, Milwaukee, Bosch, or Makita. I wouldn't be using a Ryobi cordless drill on a jobsite for drilling into concrete for set pins. Moreover, having a designated Ryobi combo kit for general home projects is perfectly fine if you are going to build a fence, finishing carpentry, or other home improvement projects.
My first cordless tool was a DeWalt drill which I replaced with lithium ion when the battery started failing on the nicad packs. I tried fixing them with some chineseium replacement cells but putting them together and doing them was just too much of an exercise in aggravation.
I have a DeWalt half inch corded drill which I love. But for the most part it has way too much power for a lot of uses. One place that does Excel though is drilling long holes into wood which I've used it for a lot for building retaining walls, my gazebo and shed years ago and those circular Tenon Cutters that Lee Valley sells for constructing furniture.
Makita and Bosch make pretty good corded tools, but the edge goes to Bosch if you want a routor. They give you really nice long chords to use it with. I have a Ryobi router but it's adjustments and brushes are already going and I haven't done that much work with it, leveling a few slabs to resaw various molding projects and a couple of panels for some furniture.
My Makita planer works really good, but I've also got a few odds and ends like a rigid Shop-Vac and 13-in planer back when Home Depot actually cared about making these really quality. The new versions of them are cheap garbage.
Great for homeowners. If you're not making money with your tools buying premium is moronic. Once you have your batteries it makes buying whatever else easy. Helps that there's always some kind of sale every month.
i work with expert engineers in the field and they all use ryobi at home. that should tell you something. plus its the same company as milwaukee now so they share tech.
this. ryobi is the best. it stands out on the work job site too. if someone has your tool, you can call them out and shirtfront them for taking it and have them hauled off the work job.
Batteries suck, but they do warranty them. Tools are fine.
I'm an expert engineer, please don't listen to us about tools. I type on a laptop for a living. Engineers buy meme tools like the were pocket lego set and ltt screwdrivers.
>I type on a laptop for a living
Then you're not an engineer
>I'm an expert engineer
you're such a joke lol
>and ltt screwdrivers.
Except in testing it's proven out to be an exceptional screwdriver, especially if you need one with low backdrag.
>i work with expert engineers in the field and they all use ryobi at home
That might be the worst endorsement you could possibly give a product...
I’m an engineering school dropout and I have Ryobi too!
Engineers don’t work with their hands, white collar dudes
Actually they’re the worst people to take tool advice from they mostly use the cheapest garbage tier harbor freight and dollar tree
An engineer would crawl over 50 nakee women just to frick an electrician.
Nobody will steal them or borrow for that matter
That pic is cringey
It's just a knockoff of Dremel's version.
No I think he meant the fact some idiot is free floating an edge router which is fricking stupid.
It's a sanding drum.
do you make your living with your tools? no? then ryobi is fine. any other opinion is a brand shill
This
Every DIYer that uses Ryobi is happy with them.
Fair criticism.
Red army is real. Wera fanboys may be worse. OP is just asking if a product is good before jumping into it.
>do you make your living with your tools?
Yes, I do. And all my cordless is Ryobi.
>any other opinion is a brand shill
Except your opinion, right?
All the shit is made in asiaticland, it's just a question of design and quality control.
If you like something, use it. Skill is skill and talent is talent. Wearing Nikes doesn't make you Michael fricking Jordan.
>>do you make your living with your tools?
>Yes, I do.
you don't need power tools to suck wiener
Said the pro
expand your market by having duct taoe and a portable, dissassemblable miniature crown boring jig with you at all time whichever bathroom-equipped establishment you visit!
I just don't like their battery post is all
The tools work. The drill drills, the wrench wrenches, the shopvac sucks, the circular saw cuts, the fan blows... Ryobi does it all. Aside from a few outliers that are few and far between, a Ryobi won't beat a Milwaukee or a DeWalt in speed, power, or performance, but it also won't cost as much.
Also hard to beat the variety of things, Ryobi used to have the widest range, probably still do but the margin is getting thinner.
Imaging owning green tools, lmao. Green isnt even a real color, it was invented by the druish.
>That thing's green...
>HAHAHAHA! GREEN!
>AHAHAHA!!!
They’re fine just feel cheap and battery prone to breaking
Best for extremely light home use hanging pics, light light light countersinking pine
Chugs when trying to drill steel or driving a cutting tap through aluminum or deburring cnc cut parts
Where Milwaukee fuel does not
holy shit sieg is that you? the tripcode is the same
Why are americans so obsessed with tools brand?
I swear that shit makes me cringe hard seeing fanboys acting like 10 years old, especially with overpriced crap.
Just get the cheapest one that'll last and is comfortable for you.
Because batteries are expensive, and getting more than a couple tools in a brand is committing to it. So you don't want to get several tools deep into a set then realize you've wasted your money on shitty Harbor Freight trash as it starts breaking on you.
I really wish more brands would share batteries, without having to use jank 3rd party adapters.
Atleast in the case of them having the same parent company there is almost no reason (other than legacy reasons) for them not to be compatible. Like dewalt and MAC can share batteries, but im not sure any of the other brands owned by stanley can do the same.
I think picrel might be the same battery as DeWalt. Also Bosch I believe? Or one of those Yuro companies like Fein and Metabo are trying to standardize batteries across a bunch of brands that only sell like 3 tools.
You fricks are too picky anyway. Buy into one of the major brands and you can buy every tool one could reasonably expect on that battery platform. If a different brand releases a tool that everybody has to have, your brand will start selling one by Q3 next year
I just think things being more universally compatible is good for the end useres, without legitimate downside.
Like apple can straight go frick itself with all its propretary cables and jacks and such The "U" in usb, stands for universal.
I imagine a world where a Milwaukee gay,down on his luck, needs a new battery, and perhaps cant afford or find a new red one, he could save some bucks buying a ryobi one, (as basically the same thing just with lesser cells inside) to get the job done. Or the opposite, a ryobigay wants a bit more umpf out of his tool, wants to see what this fancy new battery technology team read is putting out will do.
Just youknow, not feeling so brandlocked.
>wants to see what this fancy new battery technology team read is putting out will do
Ryobi is going to be dropping 4.0 packs with tabless cells within the next month or two for those who feel like they might not survive if they can’t get an extra 10% out of their drill that will snap wrists in low gear.
The Milwaukee guy can buy a used back off a buddy, he will be ok.
>I imagine a world where a Milwaukee gay,down on his luck, needs a new battery, and perhaps cant afford or find a new red one
Lol, lmao even. Milwaukee owners are never down on luck or poorgay enough to worry about the cost of a battery.
Idk, my father has been using the same milwaukee impact / drill combo for well over a decade, (i think he may have even bought them used asi dont remember them ever looking new) he has 3 batteries, two slim and one standard, the batteries are so fricked can't hold a charge for more than a few days, just sitting, on their own anymore so he resorts to letting one live on the charger to ensure it has some juice for when he needs it. Still isnt buying new ones.
Buy generic Waitley batteries. Get a red slide adapter to milwaukee. Open it up, check that the two wires that bridge the blades are properly done. I had to redo them because the idiot that soldered them, did not do it right.
Give that to your dad. Total out of pocket is like $75. He'll appreciate it, and it'll breathe new life into the tools.
You could DIY repair the milwaukee batteries, but since he's got not much of anything anyway, if you delay and or damage a pack and he needs to use it, it'll look bad on you.
I do wonder why the EU hasn't done anything to force a shared battery standard. They're usually all about that sort of thing.
it would probably come sometime, but it will be slow as frick, they'll probably try first to make the industry do themselves like with usb before actually forcing them to do so
they are putting a tons of frameworks and general legislation in that direction, so the brands will see and feel like they should do. But as with usbc there may be a bad apple that doesnt want to freely comply
>picrel
>dewalt and MAC can share batteries, but im not sure any of the other brands owned by stanley can do the same.
Just checked and will confirm dewalt and Black&decker batteries are not swappable.
Dewalt batt fits about half way into a dewalt tool. B&D batt doesnt fit into a dewalt atall.
>Dewalt batt fits about half way into a dewalt tool
fits about half way into a B&D tool. sorry, need more coffee.
Maybe they'll eventually get the Apple USB-C treatment and the European Commission will force them to.
> EU will force them to
And then they will limit the current output to 500mA on foreign packs (or some other loophole that strictly speaking, allows compliance but fricks the consumer even harder since the politicians are in on it—see Sawstop) and have active weapons grade DRM and Crypto to prevent you from hard-wiring it.
They’re doing the DRM anyway.
More money than sense and small pee-pees. If you're a tradesman or doing serious renovations then you should splurge on the good shit but for the average PrepHoleer its pissing money away buying expensive tools.
I buy lidl parkside tools because they are cheap as chips and since I'm not using them to make a living and get sporadic use they last a long time. They're not good or bad, just ok.
Brandgays deserve the rope
Parkside isn't sold at north american LIDL. Probably the closest thing is Hercules Brushless from Harbor Freight.
Milwaukee and Dewalt are both jobber tools for people that depend on them every day, for long hours, and they MUST work or you are out serious money. There's certain things from certain vendors that may represent a better value proposition, particularly for home users (ryobi then):
Like the Bosch SDS Plus. Can pick up a corded, all day, for $65 on ebay. Or other corded tools you are going to use the frick out of, while being mostly in one spot, otherwise burning up batteries for no reason.
The Parkside is def closer to Bauer than the brushless Hercules at HF. It’s a lower tier than whatever the Hercules is trying to be.
If Yuros didn’t pay enough already for cordless tools. At a point, it probably wouldn’t even be worth selling half the tools they make if they’re not making profit off the batteries too. Maybe they make a super basic brushed version that uses EU-standard batteries and costs 4x the brushless XR Fuel version of the tool in the US.
Parkside has brushless though. Iirc.
Bauer does not.
I hate brandgayging so much its unreal. we built cathedrals and wonders of the world with nothing but hand tools, and now we got useless fat moron boomers that tell you a drill that drills, but 5% slower than some other brand, is a piece of shit and you should have a nice day for owning one. 'A bad carpenter blames his tools' holds true and always will.
A good carpenter with mediocre tools can still do great work, but it's a lot less frustrating with better quality tools.
yes, but modern convenience has abstracted away what true frustration is. We all climbed the mountain and we're on the final summit arguing over how to make the last 3 steps.
if you're being ironic, I built pic related with a dewilt chopsaw, cryobi drill, knock off kregg jig, mystery router from some dead guys tool collection and porter cable air tools. Oh, and a home cheapo floor sander
>in b4 my argument's invalid because you dont like the color
people who actually do shit dont b***h about tools
>f you're being ironic
I was kinda joking, but at the same time am jealous that we dont have harbour freight up here, they wont ship large or heavy things here, and it wouldnt be worth shipping the smaller stuffs. but damn i really want a daytona jack, it hauled ass on project farm.
I actually have one near me, but never been. I will concede any obvious safety things when it comes to brandgayging. I remember trying to find car ramps, but all I could find where plastic pieces of shit, and nothing metal. If I saw a single review of failure it was out.
All you need right here, sonny.
>https://www.harborfreight.com/
I'll buy certain things there. Self centering drill bits. Countersinks. Sockets. Single-use gloves and shop towels. I've got a really decent rechargeable multi-light from there.
Measuring tools from there are absolute garbage, neither accurate nor square. Anything powered is basically guaranteed to fail if pushed hard or used the way you'd use a Ryobi or better brand.
You haven't been to hazard freight in a while, they've purged a lot of the exceptionally low quality items from their inventory, I've checked several tape measures from there against my nice stuff, I've checked two different HF speed squares I've encountered in the wild against my USA made swanson and milwaukee, they were spot on. And their power tools, afaik the "warrior" stuff is still basically bottom barrel housewife arts & crafts tier but the bauer is fine and the hercules line is playing in the same general ballpark as the big boys. I know contractors using both. One buys bauer tools to let his mexicans abuse, the other is a solo act and uses hercules for himself
I've been there a few times last year, the combo and speed square I bought there are garbage.
Unlucky then
They dont QC shit, it's a gamble.
> Why are Americans so obsessed with tools brand, Just get the cheapest one that'll last and is comfortable for you.
Adam Smith:
"The intention of the fixed capital is to increase the productive powers of labour. In manufactures, the same number of hands, assisted with the best machinery, will work up a much greater quantity of goods than with more imperfect instruments of trade."
Our worthless paper money is not "durable" it inflates and gets taxed. So it only has few uses, to throw away on superior tools or real estate protected by our revolutionary laws.
Depends what you do. My carpenter brother lives and dies by his DeWalt stuff. I use Milwaukee as an industrial electrician. Milwaukee makes amazing trade specific tools but for an average DIY typex youre fine with whatever. DeWalt are very good and can take a beating but my company gave me Milwaukee when I got hired.
Ryobi is to tools what Hyundai is to cars.
Except if the Hyundai was 1/3 the cost of a Ford or Toyota and you only used it twice a month, it would make a lot of sense.
Based Ryobi and their 3000 different tools
Average sale price of a new vehicle in the USA is $48,000, while the average sale price of a new Hyundai is $26,000, close to half the price. The average American drives about 14,000 miles per year. SUVs skew that figure, if you only account for 3-row SUVs and Minivans the average is over 15k. For the Hyundai brand, around 11k.
So they are cheaper and used noticeably less than, for example, your average Ford. So if Hyundai is Ryobi, what does that make Kia? Hart, I guess? That's the Walmart TTI brand, right?
True, bought by poor and moronic people
I'm doing a lot of flooring in may house right now and I bought a cordless Ryobi flooring saw for the job. It's worked out well so far. I only have Dewalt and Milwaukee tools so I had to get a battery adapter so I could run my 20v Dewalt batteries on it, I refuse to buy into another battery system.
Looks like a mini radial arm saw. Banned.
Coated blades. Will be banned shortly. Not sawstop compatible.
>Will be banned shortly
Where? what are you on about?
If i am forced to buy ugly plain steel blades i will just fricking die.
>Coated blades. Will be banned shortly. Not sawstop compatible.
I see teeth/tips, so they're perfectly fine and are SawStop compatible according to SawStop.
>mini radial arm saw
No, you can do cross cuts at any angle then change the fence and rip longways like a table saw , extremely portable and handy tool to have for flooring.
Buys a saw you will use one time…..derpderp
I cut that flooring with my skilsaw. Cut ends dont show anyway
have to do big job that will take ~20 hours
>buy 200$ tool, save many hours
>sell tool used for 100+$
>be satisfied
i'd probably just keep it though since I don't own any type of tablesaw and it looks quite versatile
not that anon but I'd do the same thing
i'm a plumber and am not known for skillsaw ability. the fact I even own a wireless one is because milwaukee fricked up a return and sent it to me for free with a sander I was getting fixed
i still just use my sawzall most the time
oh that sander I literally just bought to repaint my old truck
absolutely worth it, not gonna resell it though I find random uses for it
Wish Ryobi had a better color scheme I just think the lime green/grey combo is so ugly.
This post brought to you by the Makita gang
I actually really like the lime green, aesthetically Ryobi tools are my favorite. I just wish they had the quality to back it up.
Pictures on the interwebs make there tools look green/black, which i think looks fine, but yeh it does seem to actually be kinda on the grey side, which looks shitty.
But there should obviously be tool brands in all colors of the rainbow so we can all gayout with our favourite colors. I want to see more purple, but not just any, i really like picrel. I know some brands make tools in purple specifically for the jap market, like Makita, but makita purple looks like ass, i want this purple.
Easy rule to follow - if it’s made in China or South Korea then it’s trash. This applies to everything
They were better when introduced, like most power tool companies. But they are still decent, probably the best of the consumer grade, and they have loads of tools other companies dont.
Check out Project Farm and you'll see they are usually inferior to the big brand names but still capable and usually a good bargain.
>Bench mounted tool
>Still battery powered
That should tell you something about the 'thought' that goes into Ryobi
It's a battery powered rotary tool in a fixed workstation. You can take the rotary tool and do other things or fix it in the workstation to use it like a drill press or holder.
>buy a $99 combo 10 years ago
>batteries still fine, even after burning a hole in one and accidently draining the other below minimum charging voltage
Not like this, antiryobisisters..
What the frick is that?
You route the edge and then you lightly hand sand it.
I'm convinced Ryobi hires people who don't work with tools
Thats why i said that image is cringey…wtf you doing man
This was just the first image I found that wasn't a .webp or some other bullshit file type when I looked up "Ryobi tools"
ryobi is fine. that is NOT HOW YOU USE A FRICKING ROUTER STAND
It's not a fricking "router stand," it's a rotary multi-tool (colloquially known as Dremel) on a multi-purpose work stand. It's not even a "router bit" in it, it's a fricking sanding drum.
It's fine but now for mid-grade tools I'm buying Hart from Walmart. I just like the white and blue color scheme better.
Bought a bunch of Ryobi in 2020 when I gutted and rebuilt a house that had a fire. One of the first batteries I bought died last year. The others are all still going strong. The circular saw is a bit weak-sauce, but it is the cheap-o brushed version and only an issue on 3/4" CDX and such. Only other issue so far has been a screw coming loose on the recip saw guard.
Wow, another Ryobi user who is totally disappointed, right guise?
kek. Have gotten some Ridgid stuff now, their track saw is light-years ahead of the Ryobi one with its plastic base and wing-nut adjustments. Also picked up the hammer drill & impact special kit they did this last fall since my hammer drills were all corded no-name specials. The drill is a real arm breaker. But the Ryobi driver is fine for 99% of what I do.
Ryobi's also has a core fault that the riving knife tilts with the blade instead of plunging downwards, severely restricting the entry position if you need to plunge in at the end of the wood, and completely preventing a plunge cut.
Plunge cuts are pretty rare though.
Last time I made one was for a zcp, and even then you can notch out the area for the riving knife.
But you also need more space off the back end to start the cut with the way it's set up.
> plunge cuts
The CPSC is probably going to ban those, as well as tablesaws.
They didn’t ban wobble dado blades though, LOL!
What a massive criminal enterprise you’ ve got going on there.
Don’t worry, the Canadians and Mexicans will make everything for you.
>The CPSC is probably going to ban those, as well as tablesaws.
They aren't banning tablesaws, they're in the stage where they're looking into requiring every new saw to have a sawstop-like safety system. And Sawstop has claimed they'll release to the public open use of the "840" patent that's key to preventing other companies from developing such a system. Which I'm a bit skeptical of, if they really wanted to make a grand gesture of safety, they could release that without demanding a regulation be put in place first.
But doing it will drive up the cost of every new saw.
Sawstop made a very good argument for using their product. But what happened was the other saw companies didn't want a license it because they felt that putting such a device on there would open them to admitting that there is a problem with size they sold before and open them to Legal liability in the billions of dollars.
Saw a bunch of them conspired to try to screw over saw stop. They settled this through secret arbitration and now other companies are using it as well.
> conspired to try to screw over saw stop
No, that’s the opposite of what happened.
Bosch, the only significant and non-infringing manufacturer was sued out of the U.S. market (only the U.S. market because he EU has a legitimate legal system) and they shut down operations. Also in the EU the bandsaw is a more typical tool. Then, sawstop granted them a license to the technology (which they werent using anyway) after the factories had already been shut down.
This is probably a “bait and switch” scheme, because they actually have 121 patents, not just one.
The one they used against bosch was the electronic touch sense which they stole from those nightstand touch sensitive table lamps that were popular in the 70s and should have never had a patent for in the first place.
If anything is going to destroy the rule of law in the U.S. it’s the over-the-top insane patent system.
And now, like the scheme to entrap bosch, they’re at it again. Other companies released their negotiations with sawstop already, and it’s pretty obvious they have a long-term pattern of negotiating in bad faith.
Wasn’t there some shit like SawStop only sells $2000 table saws, and there’s no reason for them to affordably license the tech to other brands who aim to sell <$700 DIYer saws?
I read one article on it before I got bored and that seemed like a point of contention. But yea, I’m with the “frick sawstop”, the static touch thing isn’t exactly new tech, and the Bosch system is better. How are they going to patent every fast-braking saw system?
Remember too that the smallest Sawstop is $900 for the compact tabletop unit and it can't take dado stacks.
And their Jobsite Saw is $1600 and so was the Bosch Reaxx, which is a hard price to swallow when the DeWalt is $650 and the decent Skil copycat model is $300.
I got given a second 8-in table saw by my father-in-law before he died. Plus all is blades. There were a couple of good ones in there like one Forest one but the rest are garbage. I usually use that for dado cutting .
I also have two data sets made by dimar that I got at Lee Valley Tools over the years. One was one of their old sets from their classes so got discounted down to $45 I think. Some days I do need to use two different sets of dados for various things like doing rabbits on my main crosscuts on the small one.
If table saws get banned in the US (and dado blades, by induction) then there is going to be a run on routers and router tables to make things.
Also, “the router workshop” show is going to see a massive resurgence where they build all kinds of furniture and shit with just a router, and flat table with a hole in it.
Those were they days, and far better than a table saw.
Those wieners are probably going to start working on a “routerstop” technology soon after to get those banned too.
And then “chiselstop”
>table saw ban
this will only effect midwits that are too scared to buy a used saw off cl or facefrick. those homosexuals have already convinced themselves that track saws are the be all, end all and should be disregarded anyways
Ridgid used to make good stuff. But they've cheapened out their brand after sucking people in with their initial quality and then cheapening up the design like the 13-in planer is now garbage.
They recently introduced a cheaper line of those shop/contractor tools made by one of the usual suspects like maybe Delta? Can’t remember, but the newer cheaper stuff doesn’t have the LSA.
Delta's got some pretty solid contractor saws out now, the base model's about the same price as DeWalt's jobsite saw and is very well built, with a t-lock fence that adjusts easily and holds square.
Shit. Fine for low quality diy slapdn8s0ash
Perspective is dictated by your finances.
What is the cheapest way to get into the big batteries and new tools? I have a 10 year old drill and impact combo with the thin batteries and would like to get some larger ones and at least a circular saw.
What brand? Are you going to stick with that brand?
The “Spring Black Friday” sales are at Home Depot right now, and after that should be some Father’s Day sales, plus there are numerous authorized retailers for certain brands of tools.
DeWalt, for instance, has had 3.0Ah packs (5s2p) packs on sale for real cheap lately, and those aren’t huge capacity but 2 rows of 1500mAh 18650s put out a lot more power than the single row 2.0Ah packs. DeWalt has this 5.0Ah PowerStack plus a bare XR tool for $199 at HD right now.
This is a pretty good deal right now too. The 6.0 packs from DeWalt and Milwaukee are 2x rows of 3000mAh 21700 cells, so they are really good on high output tools.
It's the Ryobi thread so I meant ryobi. Not massive batteries, just whatever is the best value. I used a little battery in a ryobi circular saw at work and it was pretty weak so I imagine it'd need to be at least like 3 amp. If there is a deal on a bundle for not much I wouldn't mind getting more tools if it doesn't have a drill or impact in it, but I was manly looking at a saw.
On HD’s website right now, there’s picrel, or $189 for 2x 6.0s + 1x 4.0, $139 for 1x 6.0 and 1x 4.0, or $179 for 2x 6.0s, all of those are the HP packs.
That’s a pretty good price. A couple months back they had a 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 HP for $129, and I think the black friday deal was those 3 batteries plus a charger and free tool for $179-$199. Sometimes the 2x 4.0 non-HP packs go on sale for $79-$99, but I’m not sure how great they are on HP tools. I’ve been meaning to snag some HP packs because I would like to compare my cheap black 4.0Ah packs to the HP 4.0s in my HP trimmer. There’s an extra battery pickup on the HP stuff so it might be a 20% boost in power if that matters to you.
Depending on the tool you want, look online and see if it’s kitted with a battery, there are stupid deals. Like my trimmer was $160-$170 for the bare tool in store, or $120-$130 online with a 4.0 battery and charger.
Also with the saw, if you were using the cheap 5.5” budget brushed Ryobi saw that comes in the $149 starter kits, that’s a cheap saw and not powerful no matter what battery is on it.
The 7-1/4” full sized HP doesn’t have any great deals I see right now, but picrel is pretty good on the 6-1/2” HP saw. Bare tool is $129, so $33 and you get a 4.0HP pack plus a charger.
Are there still 2x 4.0 bundles? I'm using 10 year old 1.5's so anything is an improvement, not using them a whole lot so I don't need to min max 6.0's. I would prefer to be closer to $100 or under $150 max if they still had those bundles 2 for $100 just because it's not really a thing I NEED to upgrade right now.
I saw something on slick deals some stores having cheap bundles for like $70, but I don't have the will to hunt shit down anymore, just send it to me in the mail.
In terms of the saw I'm not looking for the best, just the cheapest that will function. If I had a blue one I'd probably just stick a big battery in it and call it a day.
I don't have a lot of energy anymore, so even pulling out extension cords and a saw will make me not want to do something, so just being able to grab something and make a cut or two on a sheet of plywood would be nice.
Most of that Home Depot stuff is online ordering, it’s easy.
You could check Amazon and Ebay, but I would stay away from knockoff brands, they’re always very iffy. If you get genuine Ryobi packs, the warranty process won’t be as easy, but they can probably exchange them based off whatever mfr date comes off the serial #.
I think Amazon had 2x 4.0ah non-HP packs for under $100. But as mentioned, I don’t know how much better the HP packs run the HP circular saws if you go that route.
Home Depot runs “Deal of the Day” 24hr sales on their website and it’s about once a week they have a bunch of power tools on there, so if you check it every AM when you’re on the shitter, open the HD app and see if it’s power tools that day.
The next big sales will probably pop up for father’s day, but no guarantee the 2x 4.0HP packs will be back on sale for ~$100 again. Honestly the $139 for a 4.0 and 6.0 HP isn’t bad, or this
but if you’re 1.5Ah packs are 10 years old, it’s probably about time to replace those and maybe online you find 2x 2.0 and 2x 4.0 HP packs for ~$150, the HD online sales and kits change randomly.
Also if you’re in Home Depot for something else, always check the clearance endcaps because I saw the HP 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 3pk of batteries left over from the holidays for $119 at a store or two within the past month or two.
Sheeeit this is still in stock too, it was just hard to find
To find the $99 kit, you gotta go to this $199 posting first then click “2”
HD’s website is goofy but there’s always deals to be found. Nobody should pay full MSRP on batteries. And if you buy from HD, you get the easy 3 year warranty on the batteries
I tried that but mine still shows it out of stock, everything has to be a pain in the ass these days it seems.
How can batteries cost more than the tools?
Initially the batteries came free with cordless tools. And rightly so.
Now you’re buying them like a crack addict.
The batteries, while they do have a better service life than in the past, still have a limited service life. They're consumable like printer ink.
I've had many batteries for years without issue. recently the sticker over the lights and button peel'd off
i have milwauke, 2x6ah HP, 3x4ah, 2x2ah
i really like the 2ah lightweight batteries for my sander and impact, they last shockingly long and keep the tool light when doing a bunch of shit
i also bought some aftermarket 4ah for like 30$ a piece and while defenitely not being as good, for <1/4 the price they're nice backups
Lithium batteries aint cheap, looks like there's 25 18650's in that photo. Depending on the cells could cost anywhere from like $4-$10each at the consumer level.
They had the 9.0Ah packs for real cheap recently but now out of stock because I think the 8.0 and 12.0 packs with 10x and 15x 21700 cells are replacing the 15x 18650 9.0 packs.
Fun fact, if you want to get nerdy about it, generally the higher capacity the cell, the lower the power output.
Like Ryobi’s 4.0Ah and 6.0Ah packs are both made with 18650s, 2 layers of 2000mAh cells in the 4.0 and 3000mAh cells in the 6.0, so the 4.0 will have more balls. However, the 8.0 jumps up to larger 21700 cells which have more power output, so the 2 rows of 4000mAh 21700 cells will beat the 6.0Ah pack and likely the 4.0 pack in output.
But with the DeWalt batteries posted earlier, those 6Ah packs are 2 rows of 3000mAh 21700 cells with a ton of output, so they will output more power than the 8.0Ah packs.
Picrel look like 2 rows of 1500mAh 18650 cells, so they will be more powerful than the 4.0Ah packs and def more than the 6.0 Ryobi packs with 18650s, but will only have half the capacity of the 6.0 packs. Would have to look at the datasheets, but I doubt these 3.0s are going to be twice as much output as the 6.0s, maybe it’s 30%-50% more potiential output assuming the tool’s motor is asking for that current.
I wouldn’t dig into it too much though, the 6.0 HP packs should be much better than the basic black 2.0 packs on any HP tool.
>into the big batteries
I bought a "12Ah" battery off eBay for ~$50.
It actually measured ~8Ah but for $50 it is still a bargain.
I've used it quite a bit for the compressor which is a real 'drainer' and it has held up well.
The difference is also noticeable in the 7-1/4" saw.
I use ryobi and brandgays can get the rope. Just buy the tool that you need. If you are using a tool frequently then you can afford to replace it if it breaks or gets stolen with a better one. The harbor freight meta holds up. If you cant burn up a harbor freight tool then you probably didn't need it in the first place and if you do burn it up you can afford to buy something 2-3x the quality or more.
They’re all the same brand , hart/ryobi is the same thing, ridgid Milwaukee is the same all are TTI out of china
Just stay away from the low end bullshit
just because they're the same company doesn't mean they're the same quality
the difference between the brushed and fuel line of milwauke is like the difference between hart and ryobi
which is significant
you obviously don't use your tools daily or it would be increadibly obvious
What kind of dumbass thinks “go buy a Milwaukee tool”
Sans go get some brushed shit from some backwoods ass store
That’s like saying “go buy your tool box and tools from harbor freight when you’re just starting out”
And being a dumbass and going to buy Pittsburgh and Yukon bullshit instead of buying icon
If you’re that re-fricking-trades you deserve shit tools
Anybody with a blue collar job knows everything Milwaukee says fuel on it and everything harbor freight worth buying says icon on it
The rest of it is just stupid shit to market towards soft handed office drones
You forgot about Doyle which was supposed to be their premium Klein and Knipex knockoff brand, until they started copying even more Knipex and had to stamp the Icon brand on it if they were going to sell >$20 pliers at Harbor Freight.
HF’s branding and tiers are still moronic. Remember Earthquake 20V? And the short lived Earthquake 12V? Feels for anybody who spent $$$ on Lynx outdoor power tools and then they dropped the Atlas stuff a couple months later.
My grandad bought lynxx chainsaw, polesaw, and leaf blower. He got burned on that pretty good.
They are all pretty damn similar and a lot of the components are probably sourced from the same suppliers. Its like how car manufacturers tend to have a bunch of bosch components. Really my only worry with electric tools would be the quality of the motor and the quality of the battery. Thats probably where the bulk of the cost is and an increase in price is just better motors and batteries. Pretty sure batteries degrade 20% in a year so just make sure you are getting good motors and rotate your batteries accordingly. Get fricked brandgays.
>Meanwhile, on the Torque Test Channel, they see major differences in some brands in performance depending on the battery, including huge gains on Makitas with extra-spicy house-built packs, but also on DeWalt tools by giving them bigger and especially 60V packs
Anybody making claims like yours is a delusional poorgay.
I just said the motors and batteries you fricking moron. The more money you spend the better motor and battery you get. No fricking shit you are going to get a better tool when you spend an extra $100 and they put in a battery and motor that costs them an extra $20
If you think the motors are the same I have a bridge to sell you.
how bad is your reading comprehension? I just said you get a slightly better motor and battery when you pay a premium. Whether or not the extra $100 or so you pay for it is up for debate.
It’s often a bit more than just 10% better battery and motor. M18 Fuel compared to basic brushed Ryobi is going to have a couple extra features and better build all around. Ryobi HP vs M18 Fuel though, that’s when you’re looking at an extra $100 for 10% here and there.
However, you pay that Fuel pricing because Fuel tools require a lot of R&D to have the most innovative tools and features on the market. So you can save money with Ryobi but you might be stuck waiting 4-6 years for that Red tool to come out in Lime Green for $100 less.
Thats basically what I was going for. You get a better tool no doubt, but you are going to pay a premium. For the most part ryobi gets the job done for most people. I use my cordless ryobi drill maybe once a month. My 3d printer probably does 100+ hours a month. Sometimes I will air up my little 1 gallon ryobi compressor or slap a battery on the ryobi hot glue gun. If I used these tools everyday I would maybe spend more. At the end of the day though brand gays are just brand gays. If you really wanted to be a tool chad you would buy a class 5 500 bar composite tank from aerojetrocketdyne. Carry around a 3lb tank thats the equivalent of a 20 gallon compressor on a backpack with a quick connect hose and run your pneumatic tools for longer than you will be alive. Brandgays cannot compete with the pneumatic chad.
>500 bar
That sounds cool, but I don't need to strap OceanGate to my torso when I'm trying to shoot together a house.
Settle down pops remember your anal leakage
>all the same
>Kia = Lexus = Jaguar = Volkswagen = Chevy
Can’t argue with that, they will all get you from Nashville to Tucson on a few tanks of gas at 70mph when brand new
Bauer has brushless too. At this point, the brushless motors are getting so common it’s probably not that much more expensive and it became worth it for these companies to drop them in the DIYer tools as well.
> Bauer has brushless too. At this point, the brushless motors are getting so common
It’s because all those tools from “different” companies all source motors from 2 possible mainland Chinese factories. Especially the Chinese brands.
You didn’t think dewalt hand-crafted every motor with a team of white haired electrical and mechanical engineers did you?
In many cases, the off-brand is using the exact same motor. You’re paying 2x for marketing and injection molding that looks appealing to nike shoe aficionados and man-children with transformer stickers on the back of their pickup trucks.
All these coping tool gays think that the blue drill having 4% more power over the red that has 4% more power than the green matter for 10% more cost each.
What's a good screwdriver cost? Whatver the frick. Stop walking it, you're gonna go blind. Meanwhile the elect are over here paying $2000 for a quality screwdriver.
The old Milwaukee fuel stuff makes its way to the AEG stuff
The old series 2 Milwaukee impacts or whatever guys are in the ridgid.
Hart is literally the exact same as ryobi but they have the superior non-stem battery but the guys are the same
If you are a home owner who wants to do the odd project around the house ryobi is fine. If you are a professional carpenter or woodworker then you know better.
Dewalt milwalkee makita bosh are all solid
As a homebuilder my dad used Ryobi from the 90s until he retired a few years ago. He's still got Ryobi cordless screwguns older than me. Then again, being the builder entails a lot less regular heavy work than being on a drywall crew or something. If you need to cover a lot of bases for the same amount of money, Ryobi is probably fine as long as you don't buy the cheapest shit they offer.
I just use the 6-pack of craftsman cordless tools I bought for $200 and some larger chink batteries from Amazon. They work fine for work around the house/garage
In total I've had 3 ryobi tools.
First I bought was a pole saw attachment for my weed eater, it leaked oil out of the box because of a bad seal.
Second was a corded recip saw. It's okay, it's a recip saw what else can I say; it works.
Third, and more recently was a table saw that had a broken bevel lock out of the box, returned it. It was cheap, it felt cheap.
Never owned any of their battery operated tools tho.
so if i wanted a decently valued cordless drill (18v) for a deck repair job, what would you go with?
MINIMUM is makita XGT anything less won't handle the full job don't listen to PrepHolelet cope and seethe
>for a deck repair job
Don't get a drill for deck repair. Get a 1/4" impact driver.
The hex bits for deck screws snap into the quick-change bit holder.
I have 18v Milwaukee, Ryobi, and Bauer drivers and have used all of them on various decks.
thanks fellas
Ryobi HP drill + impact driver kit ftw
>buy cheap table saw
>complain that it doesn’t feel like a $1000 table saw
It’s probably making an arc when you do that, I would bet the instructions for the charger tell you not to do that, but I’m not 100% since men don’t read instructions.
They sell those 6-tool $199 kits as a loss leader and make the money on you buying batteries for 15 years. But even at that deal, like other anon said, good cells aren’t cheap, it’s like $3-$5 per cell on name brand stuff, especially the 3000mAh cells that can handle a fast charger and high discharge of a power tool.
>complain that it doesn’t feel like a $1000 table saw
Is it normal for sub 1k table saws to be broken out of the box? That's what I'm complaining about.
>really wanted that open box discount
It wasn't open box, it was new. If it was open box I'd be pissed at the store I bought it from for not checking it.
Sub-$1000? Absolutely not. DeWalt, Delta, Milwaukee, Skil, and so on all make excellent saws below that price. Ryobi's model is kind of crap with a bad fence, though. Better off paying the $300 for the Skil at that tier.
well they have a great return policy
try it out, it sucks? return it
no problem
I've built several decks solo with a ryobi impact and driver. One + HP is really solid. I use them all the time on kitchens and tile prep.
I'm not impressed by their other products, they're generally harder to use or have more issues than all the step up brands. I have about a dozen experiences like
. Bauer and Rigid are probably good looks.
Not all 18650s are created equal. Pretty much every manufacturer throws 8-12 of those in a tool battery. It's very similar to what's in a laptop.
the standard battery charger seems to burn the contacts of the battery if you insert the battery before plugging in
You are so painfully moronic you don't even deserve a (You), tripBlack person.
It's never been good ever
While Ryobi tools are suitable for home projects and are an affordable option for your average diy-er (also w*men), I feel that Ryobi lacks the protracted rigidity of manufacturers like DeWalt, Milwaukee, Bosch, or Makita. I wouldn't be using a Ryobi cordless drill on a jobsite for drilling into concrete for set pins. Moreover, having a designated Ryobi combo kit for general home projects is perfectly fine if you are going to build a fence, finishing carpentry, or other home improvement projects.
I like Ryobi colors. Thought about switching to them from Makita.
My first cordless tool was a DeWalt drill which I replaced with lithium ion when the battery started failing on the nicad packs. I tried fixing them with some chineseium replacement cells but putting them together and doing them was just too much of an exercise in aggravation.
I have a DeWalt half inch corded drill which I love. But for the most part it has way too much power for a lot of uses. One place that does Excel though is drilling long holes into wood which I've used it for a lot for building retaining walls, my gazebo and shed years ago and those circular Tenon Cutters that Lee Valley sells for constructing furniture.
Makita and Bosch make pretty good corded tools, but the edge goes to Bosch if you want a routor. They give you really nice long chords to use it with. I have a Ryobi router but it's adjustments and brushes are already going and I haven't done that much work with it, leveling a few slabs to resaw various molding projects and a couple of panels for some furniture.
My Makita planer works really good, but I've also got a few odds and ends like a rigid Shop-Vac and 13-in planer back when Home Depot actually cared about making these really quality. The new versions of them are cheap garbage.
Great for homeowners. If you're not making money with your tools buying premium is moronic. Once you have your batteries it makes buying whatever else easy. Helps that there's always some kind of sale every month.