I'm a poorgay looking to purchase my first 22 for dirt cheap. It'd be nice actually being able to afford to shoot. Are there any issues that stand out with the rossi 22? I was thinking about saving up for the ruger 10/22 but I don't want to spend that much. Is it possible to mount a scope to this?
They're both junk and will be equally mediocre for your first 22.
If you want my honest opinion, grab a CZ457 Scout, and then upgrade it with a Boyd's stock down the line. It has a three-way adjustable trigger, alloy bottom plate and threaded barrel and can be easily converted to other rimfire chamberings.
What makes them junk? The CZ certainly looks attractive but out of my price range.
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Is the rossi a hassel to get apart to clean?
>Is the rossi a hassel to get apart to clean?
Most non-military guns are a lot more complex to take apart than something like an AR, but the Rossi isn't particularly bad given the competition.
I was more talking about getting replacement parts, dealing with Brazilian or Turkish guns when you need a pin or a spring is generally annoying.
The Winchester Wildcat might be a good option, its made by a company that gives somewhat of a damn, takes 10/22 mags and is somewhere around $230. Make sure you loctite the rear sight though, the one Paul Harrell reviewed fell off and then he shot it a bunch of times with a 10/22.
>What makes them junk?
the rossi/mossberg 702 is a gun where every corner was cut to meet a 99 dollar price point while being a barely functioning gun. its pretty much trash in every possible way especially the mags.
if marlin 60s/795s still existed youd be getting twice the gun for 20-50 bucks more.
ruger on the other hand makes an extremely mediocre gun where aftermarket solves everything. the main complaint that labels it shit is well it kinda is. all the 10/22 aftermarket exists to address how meh every stock oem component is out of the box and can be improved upon. rugers arent worth the 300 they are charging especially when you are looking at doubling the cost to get it into what somebody would consider nice.
too bad marlins dead. ruger owns them and while they make leverguns they arent going to bring back their only real competitor for 22lr rifles. rugers exploiting the fact they make the only real "cheap" 22lr option
the rossi is a joke
>marlin 60s/795s were discontinued
Well frick I didn't know that until right now. I really like my 60, that's sad.
weird. i like my 795 but the trigger is shit, needs the mcarbo spring kit.
They're all garbage unless you're putting >$500 into making one not, or buying one that isn't.
Which leads me to you,
>barely functioning
I've put over 10,000rds into a Moss702/Rossi r22 and it works fine.
I have a 22 because it's fricking cheap. I'm not going to brag about some gucci tricked out 10/22 like I'm making an heirloom in an oppressed south american country. I'm going to maybe fiddle with shimming and trimming the trigger, put a cheapfrick scope on my cheapfrick rifle, and enjoy blasting 6cpr ammo out of it.
you have to have everything you own be some statement about your imaginary superiority, apparently.
One of us is an actual human being, the other is just a show pony.
you unscrew 2 screws to get the receiver out of the stock, push out 2 pins to take the trigger assembly out of the receiver. putting it back together is just as easy as taking it apart
unrelated but gun is perfectly serviceable, shoots even shitty ammo reliably.
Wouldn't it just be better to do that to a tikka. The cz has a good stock oem tikka and savage don't and all are pretty accurate and reliable out of box.
They are cheap and have a good trigger and batrel out of box but thats about it. Better chassis and a lot of spare mags because the mags gove a lot of people issues.
Black person did you miss the whole poorgay thing? the entire point of the post? a 10/22 is completely fine
Get a second hand Cz 457 or Brno mod 2
CZs are nice and all but they're really expensive for a .22. I wouldn't go quite as cheap as a Rossi when stuff like Savages and 10/22s are an option. Even if the rossi works, when you want a spare mag or a new stock, you'll wish you would have gone with something that isn't the budget-ist budget gun.
I've loved my Mark IIs, and of course you cannot go wrong with a 10/22 if you want a semi. Aftermarket support and fixing shit when it breaks is a lot worse on stuff like the Rossi.
What said is a solid suggestion
10/22's have an enormous aftermarket.
You're going to love the pot metal receiver and how the spray painted finish flakes off.
I listened to this board who said 10/22s were G2G. That's the last time I follow normalgay advice.
OP, please don't vote for cheap junk with your wallet. The CZ is a great value and it's sad that europoors make a much better gun for the money.
Also this is exactly what happened to mine except it was in the magwell too.
>inb4 someone defends this
Yes, I know all brands have issues.
Forgot pic in my rage
Modern black non-blued 10/22s have a bad finish and are the worst gun currently made on the 10/22 platform, but they still work.
>non-blued 10/22
thats all of them
ruger never blued 10/22s since its impossible to blue aluminum.
I believe they used to be hard coat anodized.
some were but anodizing is still a completely different thing from bluing
savage bolt actions are ok not great but ok. the semi 22s are trash.
aftermarket is stocks and not much else
Shit I'd seen the ones advertised as 'blued' but I guess that is just the barrel
Definitely stick to non-Ruger or pre-09 guns if you give a shit about finish
holy shit I thought you were talking about the rossi when you said that lol
Yeah kek my new Ruger (2022 ship date) has the same issue. They just can't get the inside of that fricking ejection port prepped right. Mine is the top though. And the extractor needed burr removal.
80s mfg still seemed to be some kind of coating; IIRC I've seen it chip but I'd have to double check. It was WAY stronger, though.
damn that's awful, is that a repeating problem with these guns or did this just happen to yours?
I just did a Google search. It's been a problem since at least 2009 apparently.
OP, if you want a Ruger 10/22, please don't give your money to Ruger themselves, Brownells sells a milled anodized receiver for fairly cheap.
Wouldn't surprise me, for the price they have to cut corners somewhere
>I listened to this board who said 10/22s were G2G.
You listened to leddit tourists. /k/ has always favored the marlin 60 over the 10/22, which used to be considered overpriced garbo.
The board will always go with whatever is more obscure for the sake of being contrarians. Not to say the marlin 60 isn't a great gun but 10/22s are fine, it is just like any other gun, the folks who aren't happy are a hundred times more vocal about it.
>more obscure
>the marlin 60
lol the marlin was the 2nd most common 22lr semi auto. and one of the most produced designs of all time. if it wasnt a ruger it was a marlin. even though you didnt know wtf you grandpas or uncles gun was it was a marlin.
It's an aluminum receiver. It can't rust. The finish is just for show. It doesn't affect the performance at all.
What more do you want from a $250 gun?
>MW2 Mr Yuk sticker
Fricking weird; I just searched for one of those for the first time in many years and finally found it. Wanted one years ago when MW2 on 360 was not dead in ~2011-2012 and couldn't find any (and couldn't remember what he was called/couldn't find that specific design). How's the quality? I assume it's from that one ebay seller? While I'm not going to be able to get a WA2000 to use it on for obvious reasons, a 10/22 WA2000 chassis is not out of the question, albeit only getting more expensive.
Based
Got mine from Kommandostore, its as good as you could want.
Huh, may have to get it from there instead. Does it have the weird printing artifact that this one has? Pic related from this listing. I know it's just from what it was printed with but it's a sticker that you see close up so it bugs me a little. $1 or less though so who cares.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373893781507
No, the Kommandostore ones are pretty faithful to the game. No idea when they'll restock.
They work, but its a .22 rifle in a big metal and polymer MP5 body so they're more expensive and heavier than a 'normal' 22 rifle. If you like it, go for it, but it won't be as good of a practical rifle for carrying around or hunting as something normal.
Thanks guys, like I said, I wanted it more as a range toy than anything that'll eat cheap ammo, but at this rate I'll probably just save up more for a turkshit clone that will likely be more reliable and serve a better purpose in the collection.
I'd recommend looking at youtube videos for how to disassemble and clean those MP5 .22s. It's normal for non military rifles to have more complex disassembly, but with those you really get the impression that disassembly was implemented as an afterthought. The HK/Walther one IIRC has an adjustable recoil spring that you're supposed to mess with depending on what ammo you're shooting as well. I've looked at them a couple times in the past, but my conclusion both times was that I would be better off getting a gas operated airsoft version if I wanted something cheaper/cheaper to shoot a lot than a proper 9mm version.
The RS22 is pretty good for like $130, don't think I've ever had a problem with mine that couldn't be attributable to ammo other than taking it apart being a b***h. You can definitely mount a scope on, I have a $20 Simmons scope on mine from Walmart. Like other anon said though, aftermarket support of the 10/22 blows it out of the fricking water though if you plan to modify it.
Please consider a bolt action. I think people who go right into a semi-auto like a 10/22 or 597 don't get the full appreciation for a .22LR. It's just ooohh wow plink plink plink mag dump mag dump. There is just something a lot more beautiful about a bolt action .22 to frick about with.
I'm not against that at all. I'm just not very familiar with them.
It also had the side benefit: a .22LR bolt action (not semi-auto) rifle (not pistol) shooting standard velocity ammunition (not supersonic) with a silencer is as quiet as a pellet gun. Even if you had every other type of modern gun and were so rich you didn't care about the cost of ammunition there would still be situations where your bolt action .22LR would be the best tool/toy for the situation. It's a gun you'll never outgrow unless it's in a kids size and you literally outgrow it.
are semi-autos (cheap ones at least) more prone to malfunctions with suppressors AND subsonic ammo than bolt actions?
Eventually I'd like to save up for a suppressor. Lipstick on a pig I know.
22 ammo (particularly stuff made to be as cheap as possible) can vary greatly in quality and powder charge. Most .22 semis are blowback operated, as in they rely on having some recoil to cycle the action, too little of a powder charge or too light of a bullet means that the gun won't cycle. Bolt actions rely on you manually running the bolt, which means that they are more reliable and only rely on enough of a charge to get the bullet down the barrel. Some subsonic ammo might work fine in some semis, but a lot of it doesn't.
For suppressors, the real difference is the ammo you are using. Something really quiet with a tiny powder charge like CCI Quiet is stamped on the box 'manual cycling may be required' because they know it doesn't have enough recoil to cycle in pretty much any semi. Also, with a bolt, you don't have the action cycling each shot which makes noise.
>suppressor on a semi auto .22
Ask me in about a year; that's the best advice I got. If you get a 10/22 AFAIK a good bolt buffer should quiet it some more and perhaps even polished parts like a rounded bolt edge (I assume). The Mask HD on a bolt action (whichever weird one takes knockoff black and red 10/22 knockoff mags) was quiet as hell even with my supposed 1250fps ammo. I mean pellet rifle quiet. However the Mask HD isn't in stock so mine won't be that unfortunately.
Someone mentioned savage. This savage 26700 Mark II F is at the very top of my budget at $185.99, thoughts?
What's the aftermarket like for this? How does it break down compared to the rossi?
I painted the stock on mine and it was a package deal that came with that cheap scope, I love it. Also have one with a heavy barrel in .17hmr, its just as good
>takedown
You hold the trigger back and pull the bolt out like a Mauser platform rifle
looks like it'd be a blast with a scope and a bipod.
Gonna stretch that $10 range fee.
I have a bipod for mine too, but bench shooting it out to 50 yards just feels like cheating. Its my go-to gun for new shooters and from a supported position I've had girls who have never handled a rifle before hitting bottlecaps with bulk pack.
A scope is a huge upgrade for practicality in most cases but irons can be more fun, depending on what you're into.
If you can't afford a 450$ rifle but you can afford a 180$ rifle, you can't afford either. Save some more paychecks. There's enough cheap junk, the world doesn't need you to buy more.
>There's enough cheap junk
I prefer cheap junk to expensive junk
Super accurate, great gun.
I love my mark II GL. Also the first gun I ever bought was a savage 64FL. Was finicky at first but now it runs great with everything from mini mags to federal bulk
nice I recently got a 64F on a whim and i like it. Mine was finicky too, originally the action wouldn't go back, like something was stuck inside from the factory. Once I dissasembled, cleaned, oiled it, and shot it for the first time it worked great though no malfuctions so far. i've seen people complain about the mag release being stiff but it's not that bad if you just push down on it with the top of your pointer finger while simultaneously grabbing the mag with the rest of your hand, probably not gonna need to "speed reload" it anyway. my main complaint was the front sling mount was too far back, exactly where my hand wanted to go so i took that shit off and it feels better to hold now
pay once cry once, if you can barely afford just the gun you cant afford to get proper optics, ammo, cleaning equipment, other accessories etc
save a bit more and get something nicer that will last. you wont regret it
I never heard of anyone not being able to afford .22 ammo in my life.
thats what I thought but here we have OP for whom 180 usd is "at very top of budget"
>This savage 26700 Mark II F is at the very top of my budget at $185.99
get a fricking job.
I've got a fulltime job. I also however have financial obligations. Believe it or not some people don't have parents paying their bills for them.
Get a better job. If you have $180 total after your """obligations""" you have a shit ass job, or are living significantly beyond your means.
It's fricking fine. morons today vastly over estimate the amount of return you get for your dollar with higher priced .22s. People interested in precision shooting were getting by just fine with the bull barrel models last time I read about them years ago. Only complain is that the original stock isn't that great and has some flex to it.
Since this is thr only rimfire thread up I'll ask here. Just bought a Mossberg 46m, one friend has an old Marlin model 80 that I bought, unfricked, and gifted back. Now I need a third old 22lr bolt action suggestion for another friend.
Mark ii if poor, CZ if not.
Not poor but I'm specifically looking for vintage. My first thought was ruger american or perhaps CZ, but since mine and first friends are old I figure another sears-era rifle would be fun.
I bought a RS22 and decided to see how far I could take it without cleaning. I shot 3k+ rounds before the wax residue started to slow down the bolt but it was still working fine. I can hit 6 inch targets at 200 yards with a cheap Amazon 3-9x scope.
The takedown is more complicated than an AR or Glock but it's not that bad, a couple of basic tools and 5 minutes.
'Cheap' is half the appeal of a cheap plinker. It works, what else do you want. It's like some of these anons think they're going to war with their 10/22 or something.
I like cleaning my guns after every range trip because for some reason it's almost as fun as shooting them to me. I'm also not a Black person. That's why this was one of my concerns, how it broke down. If it's possible to put a scope on this without too much hassle it's not out of the question. I want to get my foot in the door with 22lr so I can just afford to shoot more.
nogunz here about to become hasgun. I'm thinking a ruger 10/22 first just to get used to shooting more, going to the range, seems like a good quality for the price (not really an issue for me, but don't plan on dropping a grand or something). A handgun seems a better for home defense but still worth it to go 10/22 first?
>the price (not really an issue for me, but don't plan on dropping a grand or something).
if dropping a grand is an issue dont get into guns. i agree that 1k on a single 22lr is moronic but if you actually get into shooting you will drop a grand on ammo easily. this is not a cheap hobby if you actually shoot. it will be a 3-500 gun and 5-700 on ammo where most of that ammo will be gone in a month if you actually enjoy shooting. then you have to keep buying more ammo.
dropping a grand isn't a problem. I mean I both don't need to go with the cheapest option and also don't want to go with something crazy expensive to start. Spending that on ammo over even a relatively short time is not a problem
A .22 rifle is a great starter gun to learn on, but its really only good at cheap plinking and small game hunting. A 10/22 with a 25 shot mag loaded with hot ammo can make an okay fighting gun inside 50 yards or so, but if you can handle something bigger you really should.
Handguns are the obvious choice for the civilian's primary defensive firearm, but they can be hard to shoot and very little of .22 rifle shooting translates to shooting a handgun in a serious caliber. Comparing them is like trying to compare a motorcycle and a golf cart, it really depends on what you want to do with it.
Thanks, that's helpful. Sounds like realistically I'll need both before long - the .22 rifle for plinking around, handgun for defense. Don't have a CCW permit yet (Illinois so it's a pain) so anything I have is going to be kept at home, also why I lean 10/22 first. I'm in a safe enough neighborhood that it's not absolutely urgent, only relatively.
In that case I'd say a good semiauto .22 is probably the best choice for your first gun, but yeah, its a good idea to cover your other bases as you can.
A note on .22 rifles for defense;
You might be inclined to go with hollowpoints, but most .22 HPs are designed with small game hunting in mind and therefore can give inadequate penetration when shooting something that weighs roughly 200 more pounds than a squirrel. I'd personally go with a non-expanding bullet, something like Federal Punch or high quality round nose ammo like CCI. What 22 lacks in tissue damage it (somewhat) makes up for in ease of making follow-up shots.
Awesome, thank you. Follow up question about ammo - for just getting in rounds at the range, is it best to go with cheapest rounds that I can then save high quality rounds like that for in the event I needed something at home? Would it make much if any difference for practice? I've got very limited experience here.
>is it best to go with cheapest rounds that I can then save high quality rounds like that for in the event I needed something
no
people will do this because they are poor but it is not a good idea.
essentially the goodrounds and the cheap rounds do not perform the same.
so if you shoot like 1-2k of cheap rounds you start thinking yes this is how 22lr shoots. this is where i hold at x distance to make it hit. then you swap to your single 50 round box of good ammo and none of that holds true.
legitimately its better to use a worse ammo that you understand than something youve never really used before.
if you can even it out to 60/40 or 50/50 while keeping the same gr weight then its good enough but most people wont do that. you get 99% ammo done with whatever then a box or 2 of supergood ammo.
for best results practice with what you are going to use. if you cant afford that any practice is better than no practice at all but its not optimal.
its like if you did all you shooting with a berreta 92 in 9mm but you actual carry gun was a glock 22 in 40cal. youd be better off than some shooter who had never touched a glock 22 at all but you wouldnt be as good with that glock as you would be with the berreta. you did all the training with the berreta.
again, thanks for the help, greatly appreciated
Even expensive 22 is still cheaper than anything else, bulk pack shitty stuff isn't terrible for no-stakes plinking but you'll have a lot of duds and malfunctions.
shit, didn't mean to reply to the MP5 anon.
Went and got a Ruger 10/22 yesterday, thanks for the help whoever replied
consider getting the techsites for it. It's just garand style peep sites made for the 10/22, and I fricking love them.
Since the other .22 thread died, I figured I'd ask here about a .22 MP5. I have a couple of rifles and some handguns, but I wanted to pick up a fun range toy and I honestly just love the look of the MP5. Looking at this one in particular: https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/hk-mp5-22-lr-semi-auto-rifle-with-faux-suppressor-barrel-shroud
Just wanted to see if any of y'all had any experience with these.
I know a guy who has hunted groundhogs with one and a red dot but that's about it. Handled one recently, rather front heavy because of the stock.
its one of those crappy actions in an airsoft shell replicas.
if you dont mind paying 450 for Something with worse performance than a stock 250 10/22 go for it.
just dont do the hk slap and its fine.
just understand you are paying for the body kit not an actual good gun. this applies to all the replica 22s
they arent horrible they work for the mostpart. but if you compared it to a real dedicated 22lr rifle that was priced at 500 it would fall short.
I would also agree with this anon. Get a 10/22, replace the extractor with a Volquartsen one which you order that from their website. If you hate the trigger, order a VQ hammer as well; that's $69.50 total in optional parts plus shipping or $13.50 plus shipping just for the extractor. I'd normally say that HPs would probably be fine but I recovered a .22 hollowpoint from a groundhog! Penetrated probably 4-6" max (checked pelt, so maybe 8" if the pelt shrank after drying). It did hit the spine, though, and didn't go through any organs, so keep that in mind.
And yeah, the 10/22 is great for ensuring ability to make quick followup shots.
I think OP should just shoot the 10/22 first before worrying about changing out the parts. I haven't had any problems with the stock guns.
I did. Mine just came with an unusable extractor that would get stuck no matter the position. Hard to move even with my thumb. Seems like an issue that's getting worse with Ruger but I probably just got unlucky. Not a hard part to replace no matter if it's bad or not.
What takedown manual action repeater options are out there? I know of quite a few autoloader and single shot options, but the only manual action repeater I know of is the Tactical Solutions Owyhee that starts at $900, which is a bit steep for a .22 rifle.
Chiappa LA322 is probably the cheapest option but I've never used one so can't vouch for it.
Ruger 10/22 is good imo but the savage 64 and rossi 22 are also good for their price to performance ratio. If you got money to spend I'd go for the ruger 10/22 because of the potential it has. You can fit a drum up to 110 rounds on the ruger 10/22 and modify the gun to have one of those cranks on it to make it near full auto fire. Ruger 10/22 is considered one of the best affordable 22lr rifles.
Just get the ruger 10/22. You can rice it out.
The 10/22 is a great platform, the finish of black post 09 Ruger brand 10/22s sucks.
I would say why not a binary trigger but then I remembered the only option is a $270 Franklin Armory binary trigger and now I'm sad again.
The Rossi is good, I haven't had any issues with it and I've ran both lead and copper plated, including hollowpoint bullets. I've Winchester white box and wildcat, Ruger, CCI, Aguila and Norma through it. The takedown isn't crazy either. Also, I got the Ruger branded stock bag to hold extra mags because it was inexpensive and fit what I needed.
looks like a fun rig. How much was that scope and how did you mount it without the frame being ready for one?
This is what I put on it, the rifle has a dovetail style mount on the receiver so the rings that come with the scope fit with no modding required. Alternatively you can buy the dovetail scope rings separately or even get a dovetail picatinny adapter.
Why does it have to be $300 bros
What're your thoughts on those weird collapsing .22lr rifles? I think they're kinda neat as a lil plinking gun.
They all seem to be single shot though which is not quite as fun.
I have a Little Badger, if thats what you mean by collapsing. Single shots aren't fun tbh, I'd much rather have a Papoose or savage 64f takedown if a 10/22 takedown is too big.
>little badger
that's exactly what I was thinking of yeah, though as you mentioned single shot is... not really fun.
Shame they couldn't cram a magazine system in there somehow, or something
It wouldn't be half bad if it wouldn't swing all the way around and had an auto ejector, but having to support the hinge and pluck out the spent case after every shot is annoying.
Frick imagine a Little Badger with a Gamo Swarm magazine system. Some kind of rotary something or other, pushes the rounds in when you break and wiener it.
Or that Turkish company making a .22lr version of their 12ga shotgun with knockoff Alof's mag.
goddamn I want one, I love that mechanism
What's he firing into?
A bullet trap
Which company?
No clue; IIRC it's only exported to Australia ATM which lets people with certain licenses have a mag fed shotgun or something like that where they otherwise wouldn't? Maybe it was because pumps are Cat C? I forget, though that doesn't make sense since lever actions are A-OK. But FRICK do I want it in the US. Yes I would buy a Turk shotgun if that thing came over here, I don't even give a shit.
Another 22 question, just how bad are the mini mosins as single shot cricket rifles.
They're single shot .22s dressed up like milsurps, some of them have threaded barrels. They work like you'd expect them to.
like others have mentioned, dont settle for something because you can afford it now. save up and get the rifle you actually want. youll be much happier in the long run.
even if guns arent really your hobby and you just want to shoot every once in a while, id still spend more and get a decent gun right off the bat.
This. I'm spending over $1k on a 10/22 with accessories but it's what I really really want bad and I'm really happy with it so far. Never did I ever think I'd do it but it's going to be great. Buy the gun you want, accessories can always come later.
Marlin 795
Why is there almost a nonexistent market for 10/22 heat shields? The one Samson sells is disappointing as frick, their whole b-tm stock assembly is top notch but the heat shield is just some flimsy ass plastic. It feels so cheap compared to the rest of the rifle.
How thin is it? I wanted to get one but it really feels like my scope will be too low. Can you measure how far it comes up from the top of the receiver or top of the stock?
It sits flush with the top of the receiver and tapers. It's probably not an issue unless your scope is frick huge and maybe just a higher rail or raiser will solve that. It's not that thin, but it's plastic and feels like plastic. The retainer works but there's play towards the end of the heat shield due to there being only one point of retention where the rear dovetail sight would be. I wish someone would make something similar just with aluminum.
Thanks, don't have a big scope and I don't think it dips under the receiver top. Now what do you mean about retention around the rear dovetail sight? I'm somewhat considering buying one of them just for looks but I don't want to frick up and find it's incompatible for some dumbass reason.
Also yeah most heatshields are plastic-y. I think there's one other one but I forget who makes it. Also plastic and black.
The way it stays in place is it uses your rear dovetail indent, meaning you will have to punch your rear sight out. The heat shield comes with a metal wedge machined to fit in that gap with a screw hole in it. You screw the heatshield to this metal wedge and it holds.
Well that is a pain. I will have to see if I really want it that bad or not; removal of the heatshield probably means removal of my scope because of the height of the front of it, either to lift it over the barrel to slide out out sideways or even just to unscrew that wedge. Also means drying my gun out after hunting in light rain will be double as bad and maybe even require a zero check before going back out.
I like mine but I don't get to shoot it much. I think an old scope is getting tossed on it soon. Spent basically what the gun's worth on parts; buttplate and firing pin had to be replaced which wasn't an easy find. IIRC ~$70 with shipping not including refinishing my stock with acetone and spar varnish to match the original ruined finish. Parts availability for gill guns is rough. Thank god for the random gunsmiths making batches of firing pins and other parts.
Why doesnt the click clack get any love? My savage model 6 is one of the coolest 22 rifles that I have.
Its extremely accurate and reliable. I know that some people have had some issues, but, it is usually an easy fix. I bought mine for 50 dollars because some boomer said it was broken. I replaced a small spring that had broken and fixed it for less than 5 dollars. I like it a lot more than the marlin 60 that I used to have and the 10/22 that I currently have.
I like that I can switch to manual straight pull action to fire shorts and quiet rounds too. Its also extremely simple and easy to field strip and clean.
It's out of production. I don't think anyone would say anything bad about it, and I certainly would enjoy shooting one, but you'd have to find one used.
Not that that's bad either, they're on Gunbroker for around $300, so they aren't unobtanium.
The marlin 60 is also out of production, but I occasionally see that mentioned as a poorgay alternative to a 10/22.
As an alternative to a semi auto, a semi-auto makes more sense to bring up...
What? The savage model 6 is semi auto, but with the option of being straight pull manual. Its similar to the marlin 60, but with the option of manual action and really easy field strip. It is generally cheaper and less talked about despite those things.
I didn't realize it was semi. Apparently I'm a moron. Now I am considering that Gunbroker auction...
.22s seem to be where firearms designers have fun and experiment. So many weird little designs.
Have a Tyrol 5522. Semi auto tube gun like the Savage 6 but the bolt rotates to use in single shot or locks up for semi. Has a miniature Garand trigger pack.
Stop making me want weird obscure shit with no spare parts availability.
Winchester Wildcat. Takes 10/22 mags, but is cheaper and lighter. With more features. Enjoy.
That looks like a lot of fun to shoot. That reset on release action is really cool!
Thats where the click clack nickname comes from. It was a little surprising at first, because I wasnt expecting it, but its pretty endearing. Its not a gun that I think that I will get rid of.
They're weird. I had a peek inside one trying to see what condition it was in recently and realized how they work. There's the bolt, then there's a "striker" behind it (a cylinder of steel with a hole in the middle). There's a spring that pushes the bolt forward and one that pushes the striker forward. This may be one part depending on the gun. There are two small posts (with a rounded or ramped front edge) in the receiver behind the bolt. One is always up (rear) unless the trigger is pulled. The other (forward) is always down unless the trigger is being pulled. When you pull the bolt back, the rear post catches the striker "weight" and holds it. The bolt doesn't catch on the front post because it's in the down position. When you pull the trigger, the rear post drops, the front one rises, and the striker hits the firing pin. The bolt travels back and pushes the striker "weight" with it. The bolt is held backwards on the front post while the trigger is held. When you let go, the front "post" drops and the rear rises. The bolt is allowed to go forward, but not the striker. Super super simple, almost like a teeter-totter system; I can't believe we don't still see them. I'll draw a diagram if I get time.
You know you can turn gill guns into manual bolt actions if you feel like it. They are pretty neat.
Some of them you can. IIRC my Sears gun (really a High Standard), you cannot. I don't have the cuts like
or, say, some of the Stevens ones do.
.22lr is the most fun round in existence
cheaper than dirt, compact and light, quiet, and still lethal somehow
I might not carry it on my person but I love it so much
>and still lethal somehow
Fun fact. The longest recorded legal shot that hit another person in the civilian world was taken by a police sniper at 187 yards. At that range with .22lr, you're looking at comparable drop and windage correction in inches to 7.62 NATO ball ammo in the 450-475 yard range, IE entirely doable as 450-475 yards was considered to be within the effective range that an infantryman could use most battle rifles out to back when they were issued. Likewise, the longest recorded legal shot taken during a mutual firefight that potentially hit someone was at 117 yards during the North Hollywood shootout, which is within a sensible MPBR zero for .22lr.
For power, airgun hunters take deer and hogs with comparable or weaker airguns, with the main reason you can't hunt deer with it being the amount of shots that would end up with wounded deer coming from the people who regularly miss the deer they're shooting at.
.22lr really does give you all you need in a rifle, and it's an incredibly comfy feeling once you realize that.
>At that range with .22lr, you're looking at comparable drop and windage correction in inches to 7.62 NATO ball ammo in the 450-475 yard range, IE entirely doable as 450-475 yards was considered to be within the effective range that an infantryman could use most battle rifles out to back when they were issued
So, given this, why can't I get a .22 rifle with adjustable sights like old battle rifles and milsurp bolt actions had?
Aftermarket thing like tech sights are all I can think of. I would like to see whatever slid into that dovetail on the back of the model 6 mounted. I bet it would be sexy.
BDC for the primary arms 22 scope even goes out to 200 yards
if you're a poorgay there's no reason not to get a used .22 instead of buying new. Marlin Model 60s from before 2004 are all g2g and usually pretty inexpensive
>Marlin Model 60s from before 2004 are all g2g and usually pretty inexpensive
ehh not really
when marlin existed this was true you could buy a marlin and replace what was broken for under 20 bucks.
now all marlin spare parts are gone or frickspensive a part that was 5 bucks is now 30 on ebay
the buffers pretty much all break after a few decades and the only thing you can get now is 3dprinted repros.
marlin mags for the detachable mag guns are crazy went from 10-15 bucks to 30+ on ebay
ruger killed it. remlin was selling parts and supporting the guns. rugerln cut everything off.
To add to this, the older model 60s use a moronic 2-piece potmetal feed throat which wears out and causes FTFs like crazy. Pawn shops are full of those old, broken guns since it's not like they test-fire them. I bought one once, not knowing any better, luckily they were cool and let me trade it for a mk. II which has been breddy gud.
For what it's worth, Marlin fixed this problem on the newer 60s and I'd have no problem buying new old stock.
When marlin existed you could easily buy "broken"(dirty or 1 part busted) marlins for under 100 spend like 20 bucks refurbing them then resell em easily. Now nah. Not when you cant get parts.
what are some rifles that are meant to take a beating? I feel like almost all of the .22lr rifles I see are made of plastic
And I get it, plastic is cheap and plastic is light, but come on man
Most durable thing I can come up with would be a stainless 10/22 in a magpul stock
Walnut if you prefer. .22 is a really small, light, low pressure round which means the guns are proportionately small and light, it doesn't necessarily translate to being fragile.
Just shut up and buy the goddamn 10/22
And look into a Ruger Mark IV too
Guns are always buy once cry once
Just save up for the 10/22, try looking around in pawnshops for a cheap used one.
So basically, if buying a new 10/22, just get the stainless version?
savage 64 over rossi
rossi is shit
Since .22's have almost no recoil that means you can slap any cheap ass $50 red dot and maintain zero, right? Seems like the perfect opportunity to buy some chinkshit imitation of an acog or something and just have fun with it.
Maybe but those are shitty enough that they're prone to just breaking, I'd stick to normal .22 scopes or budget red dots like Primary Arms which are actually decent for <100
If new, yes.
I got the old Marlin 1960 a few years ago, great little rifle for $200.
I inherited one with a squirrel carved in the stock from my grandpa, they're neat guns and I'm certain that mine has killed more small animals than I've seen in my lifetime. Good choice anon.