So I guess the US is also able to enjoy a war economy without actually being at war.
So I guess the US is also able to enjoy a war economy without actually being at war.
So I guess the US is also able to enjoy a war economy without actually being at war.
This is with a peacetime production rate. If the US converted to a war footing economically, the citizens would rage but production numbers would dwarf the current rate.
so lets start.
no need. russia is being destroyed via proxy and all we have to do is give the proxy our table scraps. pottery
And 95 billion dollars, how much total aid has been sent to them again?
Oh no less than half the yearly cost of just the Army has been spent over 2 years yielding no loss of current gen American gear or lives!
Holy shit we’ve given them that much? That’s like 4 iraqs
You think we only spent 24 billion on the Iraq war?
95B is what the us military wastes on toilet paper in a year
Literal couch cushion money.
As this anon said, there's no need. The fact that the US has been able to draw, contribute, and play the conflict to this point (while simultaneously aiding a war in the middle east & bolstering a certain island in the Pacific) under their current economical state really does need to be studied and dissected.
English isn't your first language and you should feel bad.
Nobody would rage. Only commie and leftist gays. A true American hungers but nothing but TZD
Why not both?
TBD cannot be achieved with TZD. The proto-ziggers, Soviets, enflamed the so called civil rights movement and race relations in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Even today Russia’s propaganda and intelligence apparatus works overtime to sow division in the US. Thusly, Russia must burn-but so does other nations that incite fiery but mostly peaceful protests and suicidal sympathies for the Browns (not Cleveland).
Thankfully for Ukraine, the US isn’t the only supplier manufacturing shells. The rest of Europe is working double time to pick up the pace as well. There might even be a possibility of South Korean jumping in for the fun to spite the Norks.
>There might even be a possibility of South Korean jumping in for the fun to spite the Norks.
Japan has already clowned them by an exponent. They also hold territorial claims against the Russians. I'm pissed they didn't seize the land. What the frick is little Pidor gonna do.
tell that to the magas
Congrats on avoiding getting arrested at UCLA
dont you have sjw owned compilation to watch?
I watched your buddies get rekt live this time by the police actually.
It never ceases to amaze how many /leftypol/ troons actually try to astroturf on this board, but are so pathological they have to out themselves over certain sensitivities.
The Venn diagram is a circle. Every military shill now is a bisexual urbanite leftist. We're on complete fricking Opposite Day from 2003. Now the Dixie Chicks are calling Toby Keith a traitor who hates our freedom and wants the terrorists to win.
Vax mandates got rid of a lot of men in desk jobs in the DoD, now you're stuck with mentally ill boys and women with all the snark and taking things personally that emotionally immature individuals bring with them. At least when the shills were men theyd keep kayfabe on.
>It can't be that I've completely lost the plot, it must be that it's opposite day, I now have to concoct elaborate fiction to make it all make sense
No rebuttal, just angry screeching and name calling, handled like a true maga
rekd
congrats on being actual traitors sucking russian and israeli dick
Are you moronic? Trump has been against aid to Ukraine as soon as Dems said they also like support to Ukraine.
Granted, after trying to drag Trump through the mud for supporting Ukraine, but there's no denying that MAGA has gone from anti-establishment to full blown paleocon and Russia dickriding a la MTG.
How is this any different from the Vietnam War protests are the Iraq War protests at colleges from before?
Not much of a difference, but young generations always think they're the first to experience history
it isn't.
literally every generation thinks THEY'RE different from the previous generation.
In another 20 years from now, we're gonna have another foreign policy/war debacle and have another mass protests at colleges.
Ukraine is a democracy with a population largely supportive of the west being attacked by Americas arch enemy who we would have by the balls if Ukraine would be in nato/win
It is a much more “legitimate” war
Liberals always approve of every protest except the latest one.
the only thing you homosexuals care about is your own paycheck through bleeding everyone who doesn't work for the government dry
When Trump changes his mind for the millionth time and decides to support Ukraine will you become a zigger?
Other way around moron
Whenever trump says jump all his useful idiots ask him "off which cliff?"
That's what happens when you have a populist politician with no morals, you attract followers who also have no morals
>That's what happens when you have a populist politician with no morals
Compared to what, "decent" Joey B?
joe biden doesn't have to be decent, all he has to do is be semi-consistent for a few years.
Consistently what?
Consistently bad?
>Democrats
>Leftists
>Moral
Go have a cry-in in your safe space.
frick-off steele-gay
how do you explain the republicans in congress who are chill with russia and have a sudden aversion to more military funding?
As always, it's about who gets to claim credit for the bill at election time.
AMERICA FIRST!
>all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost, and laughed.
Everyone wants to conquer a country, nobody wants to rule a country.
Capturing it was easy, holding it will be hard.
Americans dont want to conquer, we already have everything we need, all thats missing is a good scrap.
ESL moron
>defeating your enemies is ESL
Who castrated you?
He forgot to replace "but" with "for" while editing his reply and now he's not only English Second Language but also below 70 IQ.
Who writes this? Actual glowBlack folk? Underage Reddit troons? Americans mostly don't care, and by that I mean they rather not have an even bigger budget deficit making things even more unaffordable.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/
Unironically this. I like watching the show but rather have have billions in tax cuts for working americans than billions to ukraine
Personally I'd gladly pay some extra taxes if I knew for sure that the money went directly to killing vatniks.
Especially if I got a certificate of my contribution to TZD I could frame and hang on my wall for decoration.
Just tax evade and then send money to Ukraine directly.
95 billion dollars is 285 dollars per American. It's nothing. I've sent more in care packages to my friends in Ukraine.
>citizens would rage
You kidding? I'd apply for a job at the nearest MIC company that day.
>the citizens would rage
And I'll enjoy fat overtime checks because I can and want to work 7 ten hour days for months on end. And they can rage and that's cool too.
I bet payroll is raging pretty fricking hard at that
try 7 twelve hour days you fat pussy
Nta but i remember working 15 hr days 6 days a week running a pizza joint. Half the time id just drink beer and puff clouds after i got the shifts set up, especially doing after hours paperwork. Shit was cash money and how i met my wife.
Then i did mad ot at a factory and shit was not so cash lol
yeah i was gonna say factory work is nothing like that. your whole shift is spent working. there are eyes on you the entire time.
I remember my first part time job
Maybe if we switched to full-time war economy I'd finally be able to escape the hell of being a dealership mechanic and go to work for somebody like Raytheon and assemble/test/QC weapons without needing an engineering degree
This. Please help me get in as well if you’re hired anon
I appreciate your work anon. <3
Imagine trying to tell modern Americans there are butter and fuel rations.
War economy coukd also help fighting obesity in US and Global Warming?
Obesity yes, global warming no.
Instead of being burnt in vehicles that must have catalytic converters and meet emission standards it's going into military vehicles that have no regulations.
Covid? What am I saying, you're just a failed state organ bank trying to bate.
What rations were enforced by the state during covid?
Fresh air and sunlight.
Fun fact: gasoline rationing in the US was mostly about reducing tire wear. We were (by far) the largest oil producer in the world in 1940, but rubber? Not so much. Less driving meant more rubber for war industry.
>Fuel rations
The moment Biden is out of office and Trump is back the US becomes the #1 producer of oil on the planet, we don't need to ration shit. Drill, baby, drill.
We're currently the #1 producer of oil on the planet, moron.
>the citizens would rage
I doubt that. Traditionally going to a war economy has vastly benefited the US private sector and individual American workers. If we had rationing the citizenry might b***h a little at the begining but if thing ever got bad enough to require rationing we're likely already so deep in the shit it doesn't matter or we just got attacked and the public will want blood.
You're right, but a huge part of that also came from vocational training and college education that was provided at war's end, which the GOP would throw a shitfit about.
ATAC-MS will continue until morale improves.
I love how we kept telling our resident zigger shills back in 2022 that shit would start to get real by mid-late 2024. They all laughed. Probably still do, ziggers do be delusional like that.
Meanwhile, in Russia.
>expecting manchildren to understand that life isn't a fricking marvel movie and things can happen without you being told about them/the president ordering it
Also frick it I'm just gonna say it: the ziggers out themselves because they all seem to think that shit irl has to be telegraphed and excruciatingly painfully laid out like their twitter/youtube/roblox drama. The concept of a munitions production line tripling capacity without more than a contract (on a government website they don't know how to use or understand), one vague article on an industry blog and maybe an indirect statement by a state level politician is completely alien to them. They REQUIRE 27 post twitter threads explaining it to them.
This is why they obsess about ATGMs, drones, quantum shit, etc and call western system wunderwaffens. It's easy to play up HIMARS as if it's some magical staff or something that can erase the enemy without trouble in a twitter thread. Nobody actually goes out and reads about shit from these places. /misc/ is comprised of actual 90 IQ manchildren, none of them know how to do independent research. They treat this shit like a poorly written movie or game because that's all they have the mental capacity to understand.
The routine of independent research and critical thinking is also alien to them. They are unable to go
>hmm is artillery really that good? let me grab a field manual online
>ok the field manual says x pieces firing on infantry in the open can cause y casualties
>ok could we ever actually expect that to happen irl?
>lets pick up an infantry field manual, maybe read some books about it, watch interviews of riflemen and such
>ok it could happen in some cases, but we'd have to be really lucky to get an artillery piece in the right area and call everything in correctly, wait
>let's go back to the artillery field manual again
>ok it's difficult but like proficient level, not expert level, but how do we find the infantry in the first place?
>let's pick up some field manuals on command, scouting, etc
NOPE. Everything needs to be explainable in a /misc/ infographic. Everything needs to be a quick zinger they can bust out to correct the record and feel good about being smarter, etc. This is why they instantly fold and call you a trannie when you begin demanding they post technical evidence. You can FEEL them frantically googling to look like they know what they're talking about.
To be fair, that is a lot of work. I only really do that shit if it's already somewhat in my area of expertise, so I know what to look for.
In most cases, you have to spend a bunch of effort just figuring out where to start; in your example, field manuals. Why would you think to look them up? Then where do you find them? tbh, my first instinct is always academic research, not field manuals.
You described most people in general my dude.
Go pick a random person and try to explain how google searches really work and how to use strict and unbiased wording to find real info, guarantee 9 out of ten wont care wont understand or are so in deep with their mental state they jist will never.
No i seen it on tiktok, anon. No see this google search for "acupuncture cures cancer" has 5 websites that say it is true all at the top. No, israelites arent repeating wiemar germany intentionally.
>90 IQ
you're being very generous
I mean, the vast majority of people don't know shit about manufacturing. They have this vague idea that factories producing successful goods are always working at or near capacity because someone will always buy what's being made or they wouldn't be making it, right? If they know that factory X produces 5000 widgets/month then factory X suddenly turning out 30,000 widgets/month blows their mind.
Training gets discounted, yeah. Tradesmen train part-time for months or years and that training is low intensity, safety focused and intended to cover as many bases as possible to turn them into a competent, independent professional who can go do whatever they want and solve whatever problems pop up; give someone 10 hours a day of training and practicing in how to MIG together a few specific pieces on an assembly line and you can put them to work in a week.
>They have this vague idea that factories producing successful goods are always working at or near capacity
It is the communist mindset. Commie industry did exactly that, to fulfill five year plans, not to fulfill actual enduser requirements. So this ended with them producing extreme surplus of X thing that was completely unnecessary, but had extreme shortage of Y, because you gotta trust the plan. Couple that with no competition ending in extremely low quality products. why make cars safer/faster/more reliable/prettier when you are the only car manufacturer and the state will buy whatever you produce anyway. The Western mind has a hard time to comprehend this, but it is deeply ingrained in the Russian psyche.
>I mean, the vast majority of people don't know shit about manufacturing.
>If they know that factory X produces 5000 widgets/month then factory X suddenly turning out 30,000 widgets/month blows their mind.
I work in manufacturing. It is still pretty impressive. But I do suppose some of that is comming from the private sector, where having unexplained machining capacity means you are leaving money on the table. not so much the case at a state arsenal.
Boomer here, Roblox?
Its a game the kids play, like minecraft was a decade ago. I think theres also some sort of chatroom element to it as well from the context.
Do you know Second Life? Imagine that, but Legos, and aimed more at the tween crowd.
this they also are terrible at spotting fake misrepresenting news. good example is that "Russia oil revenue increased by 30%." thats great if you ignore the 15% inflation that makes number larger even when you have no real growth. and.... the reference value is a pre war year in the covid slump where you had extremely low prices
Im all for it, but the thing is that 90 iq people (russians most and foremost) might end up being right by accident. It will all be shut down for entirely internal political reasons (own the libs, essentially), while russians and "global pajeet" will internalise that its all fake paper tiger, unable to sustain a fricking proxy fight for more than two years and will move on with even bigger determination and mass produced sheds on their tanks.
no they're moved to some other storage where HATO satellites cannot see.
Clever Russians moving gear to wet storage.
even if the depots are empty, all that stuff is now at the units and frontlines. id say we are looking at least at another 2 years before we see serious russian equipment shortages
ATACMs in production isn't new due to foreign orders but them surging extra weapons is great - the production line having additional capacity also means that Ukraine can use USAI to purchase it's own orders. PRSM is in production as well with 54 in 2022, 42 in 2023 and 110 slated for 2024.
Such is the benefit of being a highly developted, stable, industrial country with a highly functioning economy and strong currency.
>mein monke, I have formulated a cunning plan
>we are going to challenge the worlds largest producer and exporter of weapons to a weapons production and exporting contest!
>ook eek make it so.
it's almost working, Ukrainians aren't made of steel.
Almost.
I'm not the anon that has effort posted these numbers before but you guys can check out the FY2024 procurement lists here https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/FY2024/FY2024_Weapons.pdf
Def still peacetime production but still very good numbers for a lot of weapon systems
>Russia getting HEEMED by Western powers in a peace time production
You love to see it. To think they'd be in an even worse position without strong allies like North Korea and Iran.
>war economy
You think using 0.003% of GDP in one year in arms aid is a war econ?
Shit did you flunk out of 6th grade?
>dozens of ATACMS every few months
I want 1000/month at least. Or equivalent of prism, if we end up sending it to Ukraine. Grid-removal of Russian infantry companies should be a more-than-daily occurrence. Yes I'll pay the taxes.
Post European production quotas.
*Laughs in a million shells organized by the Czechs of all people*
still not delivered by the way
and the number keeps getting smaller
They are serious about becoming the 4th baltic state. They don't really count because of that. We mean everyone but them.
>dozens of ATACMS every few months
24 *116 = 2784 dead ziggers every few months.
That's not a lot even considering the peak efficiency (116 ziggers/rocket).
Rookie numbers, we need to get them up.
Czech'd and rzekt
Lockheed is on record last year saying they can do ~500/year or about 40 per month.
>An ATACMS every day
My boner has a boner.
Looks like zigger suffering has only just begun.
The 116 killed were actually killed in a salvo of 4 ATACMS and I believe 1 of the 4 was a dud.
A single missile hit the area with 116 people in it, so unless the other 3 were complete misses the total number was higher. The 'dud' was the body of one of the missiles impacting the ground after dispensing its submunitions.
All 3 hit roughly the same area, and the first was 100% a dud since it impacted 10-15 seconds before the first cluster impacts, it's clearly not from the main body of an ATACMS since the cluster munitions would hit BEFORE the main body.
https://twitter.com/JohnB_Schneider/status/1785614608444674128
That's not how physics work
>24 *116 = 2784 dead ziggers every few months.
>That's not a lot even considering the peak efficiency (116 ziggers/rocket).
116 was your multiplier, peak efficiency is the only thing you considered.
>bullied out of thread for replying to himself
>better shit up this thread too!
I work for a big evil aerospace company. Currently make a bit over $52 an hour with my 2nd shift differential. Sounds like you're being taken advantaged of unless you're new/learning. And even then you can get paid better in many shops.
You are assuming he has a job to begin with, anon. Rookie mistake
>Currently make a bit over $52 an hour with my 2nd shift differential.
Hello fellow Boeing employee.
My techs make more than me with OT some weeks
>t. Production Engineer.
Oh no, sure hope this doesn't happen again...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/report-huge-fire-erupts-scranton-army-ammunition-plant/
>35,000 shells per month
During the World Wars, the Allies were expending more shells than that every day.
Good thing its not a world war then.
When I have diarrhea I shit every five minutes, but normally I only shit twice a day
>he doesnt have IBS
>normally I only shit twice a day
Eat more fiber. Unironically cabbage has a ton of it and nearly as much protein as meat
You "normally" don't shit twice a day.
If you're Italian you shit 7-8 times a day.
What the frick?
What? That's all pretty standard numbers, nothing too weird.
Baltics and Balkans have some explaining to do. Reminds me when I was a kid I would hold it in for days then release a toilet clogger because I thought that's how normal people shit.
>Baltics and Balkans have some explaining to do. Reminds me when I was a kid I would hold it in for days then release a toilet clogger because I thought that's how normal people shit.
If you health healthy stuff, meat, cheese, fish and some veggies, you really shit only couple of times a week.
If you eat lots of pasta/vegetables/processed foods/oils etc, you shit ALOT - can be several times a day. Especially if if you drink alot of coffee.
You can try it yourself, eat steak and eggs and drink water for a week, also exercise, and you will shit like twice a week or so and thats it. There is just nothing really for you body to expel as meat is you know, most nutrient dense food in existance.
>when the fad diet gives you colorectal cancer
>cancer
Who gives a shit? Everything gives you cancer especially worrying about getting cancer
Fat and protein is the diet of men, carbs are the diet of cucks.
You aren't a cuck, are you?
turn that podcast off
It is actually proven trough the scientific method that fat is absolutely healthy and carbs are poison.
No, all science claims is moderation/reaching nutrient goals is key. There is no scientifically backed, recommended diet that excises carbs.
>No, all science claims is moderation/reaching nutrient goals is key
You can go on a fast on a keto diet without even noticing.
As long as you get your vitamins, keto diet is fine.
>There is no scientifically backed, recommended diet that excises carbs.
Carnivore diet has no known sideffects and that is as extreme as ketogenic diets come.
Eating only lean meat will frick you up fast:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
When people say "carnivore diet", they certainly don't mean trash meat like chicken and rabbit in this case.
'Carnivore diet' is shorthand for eating only meat and other animal products, not just eating lean rabbit.
Carbs are anabolic unlike fat
relax, weirdo
I am relaxed.
I am simply invested in this topic.
Like everyone else doing a fad diet. Find a better hobby.
You're probably consuming a diet unheard of in human history with how processed it is and are calling others fad dieters. Get help.
Meat gets digested like 99%. There is no shit left from meat. I think it's same with eggs too. Also the nutritional density is higher so you don't eat as much volume. I'm on carnivore diet and I shit rarely. It's actually a big benefit for people with digestive problems. Less work for the gut. There was some research supporting that this is even better than eating lots of fiber like it's usually recommenced.
>Reminds me when I was a kid I would hold it in for days
Why?
People who shit more than 2 times a day definitely has some bowel issues. Shitting any more than that can also cause dehydration issues because pooping also means shitting out nutrients. The same goes towards peeing alot.
This man pisses crystals
I don't piss rocks.
Right you piss crystals.
>Jesus Christ Marie, they're minerals
I can’t tell if Western Europe is having diarrhea or if Eastern Europe is severely constipated.
Also wtf Northern Macedonia?
This is some fake statistics, none is sitting on toilet 7 times a day
Its a real map, just a few years old though.
Btw, america averages out between 7-14 per week
Does Wallmart count?
Why would someone go out and tell lies?
Ok that makes more sense. I thought i was going crazy to realize people shitting that much per week.
I'd rather shit 55 times per week than just once. Imagine dropping that log.
You really don't
>Imagine dropping that log
It must feel great when you do.
surprised Greece doesn't have more.
People shit more than once a day?
Hell, i shit myself just the other day
>higher carb diet
>feel more hungry
>eat more in small doses
>every meal is spaced out perfectly to warrant its own bowel movement
>shit constantly
carbhumans deserve it
and no, you don't have a medical issue if you have this on a carb diet
Such is life
Macedonia what the frick is going on
>Macedonia and Moldova average 1
>this means that there is a decent amount of people who shit LESS than once a week
>north macedonia
>moldova
>1
What the frick?
those are rookie numbers
Bait?
people don't understand just how much shit America could pump out if it wanted to. They write about muh factories being gone and all that shit, but if you look back at WW2, they had similar problems, the country had just suffered a huge depression and had a shortage of ship builders and whatnot before 1940. A lot of the new roles were filled by women who had no idea how to build ships beforehand, who quickly learned, which fricks the "muh youth are weak and don't know how to use hands" argument.
I also shit my pants last week, and that's about as relevant to OP's topic as what you're saying.
America isn't even deindustrialized the way some shills claim; its industrial capacity is no longer #1 in the world... it's #2, still ahead of every other country other than China. America still manufactures a colossal amount of stuff, it just does less consumer goods and more industrial goods.
One thing that's fun to look at is the US manufacturing construction outlook. Things are booming and 2025 is gonna be a good year for US manufacturing. Particularly in chips.
kek
PGMs are the current meta.
it's really simple to understand too.. gov contracts start contracts start coming in and now that stamping factory with 40 presses that was making 0 military equipment is now in full production for military. all we have happening now is factories already producing for military ramping up production. maybe they were only running one shift or half of their machines were running. it's easy to increase production when you weren't anywhere near 100% to begin with.
The biggest problem has apparently been trained personnel. They need 2x 3x or even more compared to prewar staffing and now are struggling to fast track 50-80 people through a very specific production method with few people available to train new people.
I think it was javelin missile production that basically said parts and floor space isn't an issue, it's just the 30 people working on the current production line are older and getting ready to retire and they can't ramp up production until they train a new work force.
yeah that makes sense. we were hiring new people every week but the problem was that they'd end up leaving after a few days once they realized what factory work was actually like. young people really don't like when you take their phones away and make them actually work.
Young people dont like working shitty jobs for McDonald's wages
i'm 26. i'm not joking, everyone who ended up quitting after a few days was complaining about not having their phonesm the work was easy as hell, wages were good, bonuses, benefits, and overtime made it a pretty good job.
the problem is starbucks pays $20 an hour and has no expectation that you will actually work, you just have to agree with them. wal mart does the same thing but they pay like $14 an hour so it's basically just a cult of enforced poverty
anyways why would you actually work physical labor for $20 an hour if you can get paid $20 an hour to stand around and make lattes in a job where they will literally close the store and pay you to cry about racism. obviously that's not a good long term career move but i mean neither is the factory
there's a lot of opportunity for growth within the industry when it comes to factory work though, can't really say the same for retail or service industry jobs. i ended up becoming very well trusted by the owner just because i'm not moronic, i don't complain, and i tell the truth, which helped me learn a lot of new skills.
Factory work also exposes you to more hazards, harmful chemicals, and even physical wear.
I work in a machine shop and I make 39 an hour. I also don’t have to feel the shame of telling another human with a straight face that I’m a barista. That alone is worth it to me doggy
Working in service is absolute ass and not relaxing at all.
>Starbucks pays $20 an hour and doesn't expect you to work
Leftist headcanon is wild.
>the problem is starbucks pays $20 an hour and has no expectation that you will actually work
This is why companies like this are paying human traffickers to sneak literal wage slaves into the country, as they can pay them frick all, if they even pay them in the first place, and if they rebel the owners just call local law enforcement and have them deported out of the country.
>after a few days was complaining about not having their phones
this. many genYners and zoomers get anxious if they don't have their electronic security blankets.
early millenials/y are fine without their phones. They grew up with rotary dial home phones you could beat people to death with. Smart phones were newfangled stuff to them in 2010s
>They grew up with rotary dial home phones
that was boomer stuff m8. im an early millenial and we always had a cordless phone
maybe if your parents were rich. We eventually got a cordless phone but most of the 80s we had an old school rotary dial build like a brick house.
How expensive were the Nokias you could use as a throwing weapon were back in the early 2000's?
I remember having one of those as a kid because I use to play Snake on it.
After that , there was that flip phone trend with the really small numberpads that were a pain to use as you had to text using your nails and then the Iphone and the Ipod Touch suddenly appeared and now we had smart phones.
I don't remember rotary phones. Just wired phones with that 'cigarette smoker beige' color.
Shit, i never realized factory work could be this decent. I barely even use my phone, so that wouldn't be much of an issue either. I should look into this.
it's nice if you like standing in place doing the same thing a few thousand times for 10 hours a day.
>price many people out of independent living
>as a result, many just stay with their families
>as a result, they can afford to ditch work they don't like, meaning they are unreliable employees
what did boomers expect?
>boomers and wannabe boomers accidentally reinvented the extended, generational family
ok boomer
The MIC is made up of publicly traded companies. Most people are exposed to it via index funds
36000 shells per month is not that much
that's less than 1 shot per day per artillery piece Ukraine has
And that's only 1 factory
At its peak, Ukraine was firing about 6-7K rounds per day.
36K shells mean 1.2K shots per day.
That's between 15-20% of the daily maximum consumption of shells.
Might not be "that much" but it sure ain't nothing.
Sorry to ruin your fantasy world but Ukraine just demobilized their conscripts.
Ukraine by no means hasnt run out of manpower per se, it is running low on state capacity to mobilize it.
The interesting aspect is "willingness" of male population, which everyone will point out. Its a first total war for any state of postmodern period, in a previous times you got the notice, there were little ways to actually dodge it, except physically run to other country, which was inconceivable all the way to 1970es, may be. So you show up, as everyone around you. Modern societies are atomised, state capacity is low, but it uses old toolbox and when it doesnt work, they chase people in the buses and shit.
Britain just allow Ukraine to hit Russian territory with British weapons
But I thought Ukraine was drafting every 16-60 yo man and woman and throwing them into the meat grinder. Why would they get rid of a huge chunk of their manpower like that?
So Ukraine hasn't exhausted its pool of healthy and motivated men and has, in fact, plenty of manpower to go around to the point of being able to demobilize a huge chunk of it that "didn't even fight", correct?
>Russia’s state-controlled gas giant reported its first annual net loss since 1999 on falling shipments to Europe and lower prices for the fuel.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-gazprom-group-reports-first-162545260.html?guccounter=1
Oof.
>Russia's war economy: $140 billion
>US peacetime economy: ~$800 billion
it was never a question
Ukraine no longer require their own men the Boris Johnson clone plants are fully operational.
Russia is about to get rugby tackled like a Japanese kid in a touch rugby game.
Someone explain to me how America can spend so much on their military year after year but didn't produce more arty shells?
America doesn't have an artillery-focused military. We've been leaning into missile and aircraft fire support for the past few decades with tube artillery as an afterthought capability because it's cheap and simple.
I guess that makes sense. Maybe the heads in war rooms were like "We need to focus on China and Taiwan, we don't need arty. We need more advanced jets!"
155mm plants seems like a way to make free money now, everyone wants it.
Doesn't arty shells and such last a long time anyways? I'm googling it but it's just talking about barrels
They last a few decades, longer if stored properly, but even well-stored shells can get unstable and squirrely when kept for too long. The propellants and explosives aren't usually the most stable chemicals around.
is it possible to pre-produce, err, shells, without filling them with explosives? and only fill with newly produced explosives once the demand kicks in
Why wait? Just label
>LIVE AMMO
Idk but I suspect chemical manufacture and safely filling/assembling the finished product is 85% of the manufacturing process' difficulty. Not sure how much that would save.
Yes, and North Korea uses this method extensively in their artillery manufacturing. It's useful for stockpiling, but runs into the issue that in a crisis they'd still need to spin up a massive production line to keep up with demand while mobilization and enemy action frick up the economy.
It's not a question of focus, it's the fact that jets and bombs dramatically outclass artillery at everything except constant low intensity explosive slinging. Bombs dropped from a plane are far bigger, far cheaper, can hit any depth beyond the front line, and are more or less immune to retaliation if you've cleared the skies and SEAD/DEAD'ed the air defenses. Tube artillery is just not something the US cares about, and for very good reason, since the entire US mil doctrine is centered around obtaining air superiority and the consequences of that.
Large militaries have a bad habit of planning for the last war rather than the next war.
>GWOT needed lots of air launched PGMs
>focus on building lots of air launched PGMs
I'm happy that for the first time in decades my country Australia actually managed to plan for the future and build 2 new 155mm plants in the last couple of years.
You only need shells in full scale war.
If you are doing small operations and hellicoptering people in or using jets to get the job done that shit doesnt matter and is basically a waste of money because you have no idea when you will actual need it.
Its like pre emptively buying a bunch of ammo for a gun you dont use when you have other guns that you do use regularly.
It's hard to scale up production when you have next to no capacity to begin with, and given that the current demand is fueled solely by the war in Ukraine and Taiwan won't be the same it's just not worth building entirely new factories.
>it's just not worth building entirely new factories
GD is building an entirely new factory in Texas.
When most of your gajillion dollar debt is actually internal debt, you can do wizard shit with money.
Because America doesn’t really need that artillery shells. It’s expensive to maintain and useless to produce a lot if you’re not really using them.
> $177.5 billion for the Army
>$194 billion for the Air Force and Space Force
>$230.8 billion for the Navy and Marine Corps
Basically artillery is Army stuff.
More than 3/4's of the military budget goes to The First and Second largest Military Air-forces in the world and the big boats the Second largest Military Air-Force in the world uses for transportation.
>jpg
God I hate chi.
>can produce a days worth of artillery in a month, after 2 years build up
just in time manufacturing, there is no excess capacity, and the government isn't paying for it either
The idea is that US invests so heavily in air superiority, missiles, and smart munitions so thst they don’t really need to prepare themselves for an artillery attrition slugfest that lasts years. I’m nit gonna pretend to know how easily US would be able to wreck Russian air defense, but in any way, I’d expect that US-Russia war would look very different from Ukraine-Russia war solely because those nasty special surprises like ATACMS strikes and SEADing would go from uncommon specialty to the main course, augmented with shittons of even nastier missiles.
missiles are practically better than artillery in every way nowadays.
whatever niche that artillery had over missiles have now been replaced by drones.
artillery has now gone the way of the dodo.
See, any American who has any experience with government work knows this is bullshit. Those guys are getting paid $40 an hour plus, with overtime, benefits and all the works. Actually, I just looked it up on indeed because I’m curious and as a machine operator at the plant making the shells they even contribute to your 401k.
>36 000 155 mm per month
>ukranians go through that in a couple of days
yeah, there better be at least 30 other factories like that pumping out shells. Ahh who am I kidding, the admin is weak and indecisive, the escalations memers have the upper hand and are ushering in a new regional (possibly world war with the pacific) with their soft appeasement baiting
better hope you anons have lots and lots of backup empty disc space, there is going to be a overflow of war kino in the years to come. Imagine if ww2 had smart phones, gopros and drones
>webm
Classic.
I was making 32/hr at marzettis making salad dressing double Black person. Come back when you arent getting buttfricked by a temp agency
With the added bonus of red commie Russians dieing and no loss of American lives!
What a glorious time to be alive!!
But what about that texan who got raped and murdered?
Come again?
Texan commie larper married a Russian bride and went to assist Russia in Ukraine after 2014. He was recently captured by Russians thinking he might be a western spy, was raped and when they realized he probably wasn't a spy they figured we've gone this far, might as well finish the job.
Christ, not even M. Night Shamalamadingdong could come up with a story like that
Wait, is this that one homosexual that used to post here? Holy shit, I made fun of him for looking like a twink and LARPing as. Wagner member, and I specifically told him they would rape his ass.
Leave it to a vatBlack person to think about transsexuals 24/7/365.
Is shitting once every 6-8 days normal?
No, you definitely have some issues with your bowel/colon. Eat more fiber and take some laxatives.
>ATACMS tactical ballistic missiles
These things are kinda cool. You wouldn't imagine how much technology is jammed into such a compact area. I thought the anti-EMP circuitry was the most interesting part of them.
Get fricked mutts
are we sure russians even had that many T-90s to begin with?
>enjoy a war economy
A war economy is not really a good thing.
>But muh GDP go up, LINE GO UP
So fricking what, GDP ending up being things and services produced that improve the lives of the people, wealth that goes go them to spend on things, that's economically good. Just spending money on explodey things that does explodey things is not directly valuable as such, not is having the workforce killing eachother a good thing.
Really you could just spend that money on more productive things that improved peoples lives, things they could enjoy.
Of course I do acknowledge that would be the ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world and military spending has proven neccesary. But a war economy as a positive thing from an economical perspective is only true in the most superficial and selective line go up manner.
>A war economy is not really a good thing.
It can be, in moderation.
Ziggers pretend France and USA are going into complete exhaustion of their state apparatus because of this war, that isn't anywhere near reality.
Yes, bacteria likes sugars and fiber.
That doesn't mean it is beneficial.
WHAT ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS WAR HAS DONE FOR US? HOW COME YOU NEVER HEAR SPEECHES ABOUT THAT?
I love how this is one of the very few places on the Internet that has a huge circlejerk about how competent and effective the US political and industrial organs are
Vietnam? Big win
Afghanistan? Big win
Withdrawing from Africa? Just as planned
Handing over Crimea without a shot fired? 5D chess
Assad must go? We were merely pretending
America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
The real kicker is that the USA has been the most powerful nation on this planet for nearly a century despite the blunders you listed.
Kinda make you think about how inept the rest of the world is for it to let the USA get there in the first place.
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
Couldn't have said it better myself.
>Vietnam? Big win
They have Starbucks and McDonald's in Hanoi now, sounds like we won
>Afghanistan? Big win
The Taliban are now stuck fighting ISIS while everyone starves, sounds like we won
>Withdrawing from Africa? Just as planned
Oh no the khat chewing baby raping skinnies are Wagner's problem now? What a tragedy
>Handing over Crimea without a shot fired? 5D chess
And the orcs got jebaited into sacrificing their entire military because they thought it'd always be that easy lol
>Assad must go? We were merely pretending
Syria is in ruins and Assad must devote 100% of all his energy from now on to preserving his own life instead of fricking up the globe
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
Yes, as seen by your brown thirdie ass post
We won on Vietnam when we fricked off. You can't build a state at gunpoint. It turns out countries prefer imperfect governments of their own devising rather than perfect ones forced on them by American Marines or Russian Paratroopers.
We only became besties with them after we fricked off and let them do their own thing. At which point both of us can bond over how much we hate China.
Friend are better than puppets .
>At which point both of us can bond over how much we hate China.
Still funny how, even after being ravaged by the war, Vietnam was strong enough frick up China's pet murderhobo in Cambodia and give the Chinese invaders a spanking. I can't be mad at them, they've got balls.
>Syria is in ruins and Assad must devote 100% of all his energy from now on to preserving his own life instead of fricking up the globe
Assad is also negotiating with U.S. diplomats about renewal of relations. It seems like even he doesn't trust the russians to back him up if he is willing to meet with his arch enemy in regards to diplomacy.
The US could've also "won" Vietnam and Afghanistan by simply NOT going to war against those countries.
winning a war by doing nothing is always better than winning a war by fighting for 20 years straight.
yeah, we honestly made a mistake trying fix Frances problems
What are you smoking, people rightly shit on US efforts in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Syria here
Tbf the US can solve any military problem. Just not all problems have military solutions.
Not with that attitude
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
Yes.
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
Yes
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
Sometimes, when I wake up, I feel sorry for other countries.
>Assad must go? We were merely pretending
Funny you mention him. Guess who wants to reopen ties with the big bad west.
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
yer goddamn right
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
AND IM PROUD TO BE A AMERICAN
>America's always right, America always wins, and everyone who doesn't acknowledge it is brown and a thirdie
Yes
Remember all those threads form shills talking about how the biggest weapon exporter in the world didn't have the ability to build weapons anymore? Hilarious
>Russia is producing 250k/month
>US producing 35k/month
This kind of self-congratulatory masturbation is exactly the same as late 2022 "the ukes are already winning we don't need to send them anything more"
>>US producing 35k/month
US has single artillery plant?
My bad, how much is Uncle Sam actually producing?
plans to hit 100k/month by the end of a year
So still half of what Russia is doing right now?
considering that those 155mm shells doing more work than double Russian 152mm shells, sounds good enough
30k shells a month? russia makes 150k a month
>russia makes 150k a month
yup by allocating 3/4 of their annual budget into that, while burgers burgers have only started ramping up production
>30k shells a month? Russia makes 150k a month
I put the trustworthiness of these numbers on the same level as "Kiev in 2 days","ERA kits made out of rubber pads" and "Yachts bigger than the submarine Moskva"
Not that you care, but https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine
Afair it's lumping all shell types together.
Anon. That's one US factory. ONE. Not the whole country. Just one factory.
Let's mention that Russian arty need to shoot 20 shells to hit any target.
Western's arty kill all their target in one shot.
tell that to all the ukrainian equipment that got wiped out by a single russian artillery shell
statistics don't care about individuals. Russians need multiple times more shells to achieve same missions as Ukrainian artillery systems(especially 155mm one)
This video makes no sense. Heavy fricking hates the Russian government. His father died in a gulag while his entire family was imprisoned there.
All we’re sayin is give war a chance!
I fricking told you nerds.
We're the best at manufacturing by a long shot. If we had to, Detroit could be shitting out thousands of tanks within a month.
Thirdies don't understand the scope of our power.
shell per month
When will you people get off your fat ass and do some work
Oops, hit enter too early, but I shouldn't need to remind anyone that Obama sent blankets and told Ukraine to trade land for peace, Trump sent missiles and told Ukraine to fight until Russia was forced to concede at the negotiating table. Total Commie Death btw.
>trump sent missiles
He also threatened to withhold military aid completely if Zelensky didn't play along with him and has since that point consistently talked about making the ukrainians give territory for concessions
ukrainians are gay ass nazis
>36k per month
Unironically thats not much. Its barely more than 1k per day.
No mentions of the recent attack-ems attacking russian clusters of men?
>I guess the US is also able to enjoy a war economy
They can barely keep the street lights on.
What does a city municipal mismanaging money have to do with the federal government ability to produce weapons?
>They can barely keep the street lights on.
We have to show vatBlack folk why.
Where are all the fighters? Also that's a lot of tankers
On another chart
>city misutilizing funds they get from tax payers, along with aid from state/federal government
Not really a telltale about the MIC making bank with the increase in production. A city shitting itself doesn't represent the government.
Thats a city's job, not the federal government. They are in charge of their own infrastructure plus the money they get from the state.
We were robbed of seeing zoomer and millennial women assembling ATACMS, regular HIMARS rockets and 155mm shells in a very long assembly line
>dozens
LMOA