So everyone here knows they were killed by friendly fire, right? They really expect us to believe two Navy Seals died from falling off of a small boat?
So everyone here knows they were killed by friendly fire, right?
So everyone here knows they were killed by friendly fire, right? They really expect us to believe two Navy Seals died from falling off of a small boat?
>fall off boat
>at night
>in gear
>drown or get hypothermic and die
>hypothermia
>In Yemen
Days are hot but nights are very cold moron kun
>The warmest water temperature is in June with an average around 87.6°F / 30.9°C. The coldest month is February with an average water temperature of 78.4°F / 25.8°C.
You guys are fricking morons. How much do you people think the water cools during the evening? Are you at all aware of how slowly seas heat and cool? You're not dying of hypothermia swimming in the water in Yemen unless you're stuck for a long fricking time
78 degrees is much colder than the human body
No shit Sherlock, thankfully the human body is capable of a process known as homeostasis and won't readily perish in conditions 4 degrees hotter than the one known as "room temperature," which coincidentally approaches your IQ level
Alright, I'll spell this out for you since the other guy won't. Water is much better at soaking up and dispersing heat than air. You can maintain your homeostasis through a variety of mechanisms, yes. None of them work when you're neck deep in saltwater sucking the heat out of you. A 4 degree drop or rise in core temperature is devastating, and a medium with a high specific heat capacity like water will get you there much faster than a 78 degree evening.
Yes it fricking does, none of you buttholes have ever even swam in an ocean I am blown the frick away:
https://westpacmarine.com/samples/hypothermia_chart.php
Two SEALs wearing ANY equipment to conserve heat are not fricking dying of hypothermia in waters around room fricking temperature, I have treaded water longer than that at lower temperatures and been totally fine. You people are beyond stupid and I am absolutely blown away at how aggressively moronic you are
how much stuff they carry into battle?
ballistic plates are not flotation devices - and hitting water in uncontrolled manner from dozen meters can be pretty bad anyway
>ballistic plates are not flotation devices
ey moron they actually make plates that float for water operations, i know because i used them when i did VBSS. go on google it. moron.
Also:
1. BCDs exist
2. Quick release plate carriers exist for exactly this purpose.
Per the articles the dude was knocked off the target boat, not a RHIB or something. That craft looks like it has at least a 15' freeboard. I'm sure given you're ample aquatic experience getting butt blasted at Epsteins Island that you would be fine, but most people die when you put 85 pounds of gear on them, a floational vest that really is only neutrally buoyant if you're unencumbered, then pound them with waves the size of a two story house every 15 seconds.
Why the frick are you replying to me with this you fricking moron? No shit you could die from a high fall off a boat. That has nothing to do with HYPOTHERMIA, which I plainly stated didn't happen. READ YOU FRICKING moron READ
>wearing ANY equipment to conserve heat
bold assumption to make.
Newtons law of heating/cooling moron. Water has a thermal coefficient like 10,000x higher than air
>sea water is warm
Adn why not?
It's been out in the sun all day.
Only the top part of the water, which gets sleepy and goes under at night like a good boy. Then the degenerate up all night cold water comes to the surface to post on PrepHole.
>water
>at night
>cold
Durr hurr
>landlubbers
I can see you are not scuba certified, look up NOAA and Warm Water Hypothermia.
You can get hypothermia in the Caribbean, anon. Sure it takes longer, but unless the ocean water you're swimming in is like 98°F, (pretty much impossible), you will slowly get heat sapped.
Obviously you can get hypothermia in any water but it's not like Antarctica, where you only have a few seconds to get out of the water.
Jsut blow in from stupid town?
>this is peak education in the BurgerNation™
really makes you think
ocean gets cold at night
Not cold enough to instantly kill you.
no one said they died instantly
>instantly kill you
Why do israelites put words in people's mouths?
i'm really amusing myself imagining you as some guy who just cannot comprehend any way that people could die in water. you make it sound like an alien concept
Excellent bait made me chuckle.
Stay in school kids. Preferably outside america and other turd world nations
even without the ocean yemen is a desert and deserts are fricking cold as shit at night
We haven't seen Curry Posting on this scale since the Moskva was sunk. Whatever was on that plane was worth a fortune and Putin is hopping-mad about it !
People die when drowned.
Not my problem
They didn't die because they fell 8 feet into the water. They died of exhaustion from several days of treading water Raj.
Don't they have layers upon layers of rescue options? How hard can it be?? It's not like it's Vietnam where having rescue teams and sending them in to help a cornered macvsog team is a death sentence all by itself.
Water rescue is in fact, the most difficult thing you can ask your forces to do. With guys overboard that don't have signals etc., like in this case, it's a few tips and tricks away from being pure luck. You're visually searching for a person who is at best head and shoulders out of the water, with the waves to his right left front and rear all taller than him. Radar doesn't help, neither does FLIR after the first hour or so of being saturated in sea water. Best you can hope for is the guy has an EUD/GPS that can steer the search party, and I think it's quite strange neither seal here did, but we have no clue what circumstances they went overboard in.
>GPS to steer the search party
Would VBSS teams really have location transmitters on them? Wouldn’t that be easy to exploit?
It's safe when you're the United States Navy, your team owns the GPS network, every other method of blue force tracking, and several that aren't publicly accessible. It would be more ridiculous that a VBSS is being carried out with no relay whatsoever when dozens of strikes are also underway at any given hour of the night.
>Would VBSS teams really have location transmitters on them?
I have no idea what USN procedure is for boarding parties but just generally working around the deck of a hostile vessel and clambering in and out of RIBs with gear, they definitely should have them.
>Wouldn’t that be easy to exploit?
No, they activate when submerged. They also basically just give off a radar return and a coordinate. If they went in the sea near a vessel they were planning to board, the navigator might notice them pop up on their nav screen and/or radar but it wouldn't be exploitable in a peacetime operation like this.
Any transmitter might give a position away but nothing says it has to be activated until there's an emergency where it's worth activating. Same goes for an IR strobe, or screaming 'Heeeellllp', in decreasing order of effective range.
>Any transmitter might give a position away but nothing says it has to be activated until there's an emergency where it's worth activating
I just told you, they activate when submerged in salt-water.
They do not activate while sitting in a RIB driving over to a vessel, nor do they activate because you got splashed by a wave. They have to be underwater and usually at some slight depth, like half a metre or so.
Some can be manually activated too or instead.
But being in water in any kind of gear or even just regular clothing will generally drown people pretty quick.
I've done the "jump into a pool fully clothed then strip off" exercise and it's no fun if you're wearing clothes that aren't meant for it.
Several kids needed to be pulled out because they got stuck with jeans around their legs and couldn't treat water.
ah yes, people famously don't die when lost at sea with no raft
>somehow not be noticed
>somehow don't have any way of getting help
> somehow not be noticed
Have you ever tried to find someone floating in the ocean?
It’s really really fricking hard.
That’s why if you ever see someone go overboard, your only job is to constantly watch them and point them out. Because if you look away, you will be extremely hard pressed to find them again.
Now add in the fact that the person is wearing gear explicitly designed to make them harder to see.
This is correct. Despite, in fact completely contrary to what you see in the movies, a man overboard from a large boat is almost never rescued, because its too hard to find them even in the daylight
Also, not sure if it’s relevant in this particular instance but I’ll throw it out there anyway, large ships in general cannot stop quickly. Even if they do a crash stop, they might carry on for a mile or more before they actually come to a stop. And even more so if they’re trying to turn around rather than merely stopping. Which makes it even more difficult to find a man who went overboard.
>somehow not be noticed
they did notice. 1 guy fell, the other jumped in to rescue, that is protocol. everyone on the team is not going to jump in because that leads to more deaths.
>the other jumped in to rescue, that is protocol
Did the second guy get eaten by a shark or something?
>Be NAVY "seal"
>Drown
Lol
Lmao even
The more important question is who will get rights to the book deal and subsequent Netflix adaptation?
SEALs are notoriously self-centered, so his buddies will probably get a book out in a year or two to circle around the morning talk show bullshit circuit.
“It’s so sad. I wanted nothing more than to jump in the water and save my buddy, but I was too busy committing war crimes so I could do nothing but watch him slip beneath the waves. I deserve a Medal of Honor”
t. SEAL. Probably.
moron
Not sure what’s moronic.
The SEALs did leave friendlies behind.
They did commit war crimes (canoeing, mutilating Osama’s corpse, the tomahawk shenanigans)
They did get unearned MoHs
does canoeing mean the boats?
cause that's fricking awesome, I'd totally strap some Haji fricks up in some 55gal drums, probably would have to sub in coffee whitener for milk and honey tho
No, it means mutilating a body by shooting it in the head so it splits open like a canoe
With fricking what? 20mm? The US doesn't have any small arms that can do that since they retired the 1911
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moron
>but I was too busy committing war crimes
This is where you lost everyone.
SEALs' reputation is shot pretty bad but no one here gives a frick about this.
Its not about "stealing" it's about being unprofessional enough to get caught. Let alone making a whole vetbro meme ecosystem bragging about it. It's moronic and should get made fun of
embarrassing
cringe even
It's also possible they got shot by some towelhead due to bad luck and the whole missing at sea thing is just to avoid giving brown and zigger shills something to shit up the Internet with. Even the most elite of elite super-awesome decked out soldiers aren't bulletproof and can get fricked by bad luck ie; Mohammad Mohammadson just happened to be looking at the exact spot they climbed onto the boat while he was looking for a goat to rape
That said, I think if they just got shot (by friendly fire or otherwise) the US would have just said that instead of doing some Russia tier "Navy seal return to port under their own power" lame shit.
If they were shot by Muslims they'd be used as martyrs to justify invading Yemen.
Yeah but the US doesn't want to invade Yemen. At least not yet. For now the goal is just to take away all of the Houthi's toys so they stop throwing rocks at boats, and they'll run out of missiles long before the US does, especially now that the US has started just blowing them up on the runway before they even launch them.
They’re literally lying about the Secretary of Defense being KIA at the hands of Russia. They’re desperate to save face - especially to other nations just waiting to make a military move. Every such incident only weakens their position toward the inevitable critical mass - and then boom. The Emperor has No Clothes.
didn't he show up weeks later saying he got his balls cut off or something to that effect?
Prostate cancer
they really believe this? wow
I shouldn't be surprised, they literally post Arma footage and the majority will defend it as real
Since Floyd Austin is on the Presidential succession list, wouldn't he have a security detail, like maybe some operator-tier dudes ?
Why do seals always have thick necks?
from hazing (sucking dick)
Don't they have some sort of tracking device to avoid getting lost in the sea, or Seals are too badasses to use them
it has been known to happen
For a man overboard drill after 3 minutes the survivability for the guy in the water is 50% After 8 minutes it has dropped to zero and you fail the drill.
How do these moron "elite soldiers" not have life vests or some sort of quick-inflate vest
They probably did, the problem here is even if you could float indefinitely with perfect buoyancy; you'll still die of hypothermia because water gets fricking cold when you're drifting miles to shore over the course of an entire die.
These being SEALs, I would not be surprised if they neglected to take all their safety equipment due to a combination of overconfidence and HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG.
SEALs are notorious for buying onto their own hype and foregoing basic safety protocol because it isn't "operator" enough for them
Maybe they should not be doing makework "boarding" operations
>makework
The ships were smuggling missile componants
Shodve just blast them from the bigger ships instead of sending rag tag moronic seal team
>blow up ship
>cant prove they were smuggling missiles
Also at the end of the day SEALs still need missions to stay combat ready.
Goyims send straight to hell
if you dont know how water search and rescue works, why have such strong and adamant positions about it?
Rest in piss zogbots you die for a israelite
>intercept terrorist vessel claimed to be transporting missiles
>it's also carrying crates full of the Shah's lost Iranian gold being sent as funding
>cut some dirty deals and escape with the gold onto the Somali coast
>live like pirate kings
prove it didn't happen
>have millions of dollars in secret Persian israelite goldz
>live a life of luxury in Somalia
Anyone sane would rather be poor anywhere else than rich there.
They were lost at sea due to some negative waves Moriarty, always with them negative waves.
F in chat for our Tier 1 heroes
If you think disrupting the Red Sea is only impacting Amazog packages going to Israel you are a complete brainlet.
>too autistic to pick up on jokes
This reply is funny because you're talking like the obvious shitpost is really that dudes exact thoughts. So I'm imagining anon sitting there thinking "Wow all of this US intervention just so the Israelis can still keep getting their Amazon packages?" and then makes that meme to express this thought. It's so fricking ridiculous kek
friendly fire might have been less embarassing
>SOCOM has to justify its budget
>someone pulls rank to put SEALs on joint USN/USCG interdiction ops
>coasties have done this a thousand times before
>SEALs insist on dragging 50 pounds of unnecessary comms gear up a wet swinging rope ladder
>coasties beg them to rethink their loadouts
>"stfu noob" say the SEALs
>splash
>splash
kek
>source: just wait if you don't believe me
>US coast guard
>Off the coast of yemen
It’s called “Coast Guard” not “We Only Guard The American Coast Guard”
USS Indianapolis:
>1,195 crew
>Sinks (-300) in the Philippine Sea
>3.5 days later rescue starts
>Only 316 of the nearly 900 men set adrift after the sinking survived.
>"Many of the survivors were injured, and all suffered from lack of food and water (...) exposure to the elements (dehydration from the hot sun during the day and hypothermia at night,"
600 dudes died because of the exact same shit the other 300 survived. Odds were stacked against them the moment they went into the water.
There is a prevalent cope among thirdies that the US is hiding dozens (if not over a hundred) of American deaths in the Middle East by either denying them or making it look like they died in unrelated accidents. The reason would be that the US doesn't want to escalate (lol).
>So everyone here knows that India doesn't have indoor plumbing, right? They really expect us to believe that a billion people with indoor plumbing still choose to shit in the streets?
I've always found images like this to be unsettling.
Imagine falling in the water near the bow of a moving ship.
Bow's better than the ass, you might be able to kick off it and not get gibbed by the propeller
I guess. It still creeps me out. I've been swimming in deep ocean water too and did not like it. You look down and see the sunbeams disappear into the dark black. It's creepy.
Boarding operations are difficult. Especially in the dark in rough seas. They prolly went over and the rest of the assault team continued the mission because it’s too dangerous to start rescue before the vessel is secured. In that time between going overboard and the rescue effort starting they were likely swept away and drowned or got eaten by sharks. The western Indian Ocean, including the Persian gulf and gulf of Aden, are moronicly full of sharks.
>killed by friendly fire
Bros... did Poseidon betray us?
To everybody saying that it’s difficult to see people in water: Why in the goddamn did the SEALs not have waterproof IR/visible strobes? You can see these things from aircraft. That just seems like common sense for water operation.
I've been wondering this.
Bro was knocked off a boat by a wave and the boats gunwhale was like ~20' tall so the sea state was outrageous. In the water that's like a 30' overhead assuming he's not immediately chummed by the prop or just jellied by getting bodyslammed into the hull. Your IR strobe is directional, they generally use the same type that aviators do. So if you are not facing exactly right (which you won't be) it's going to get blocked by the literal walls of water surrounding you in the swells. Not to mention the amount of wind speed they must have been dealing with too have waves that large so spray would have totally obscured anything in the trough assuming you even were able to get a hold of your beacon activate and mount it while you're having several hundred tons of water drop on your head every few seconds while trying to stay afloat. Seals don't use the regular float coat type strobes like BMs and people use, for obvious reasons. And very unlikely they would have been wearing BCs since most of their bcs are backpack style not vest style and why would you wear that when you don't have a tank to fill it because it wasn't a SCUBA mission.
>Strobe is directional
I’ve seen MS2000s under NODs and normal visible mode. This is some bullshit.
And a second SEAL jumped in after him. If the first guy was too overwhelmed to use a strobe, what’s the second guy’s excuse?
> If the first guy was too overwhelmed to use a strobe, what’s the second guy’s excuse?
Probably too focused on trying to save the first guy's dumb ass to think of turning it on.
>be SEAL
>too moronic to remember the thing essential to being found
Hmm. Checks out
Vaxxed?
Indeed. These two spec ops ooperatives are very likely to be alive and on their way by land to assassinate the Hootie Prime Minister. I heard the operation is called Operation Hootie Blowfish.
>be NAVY SEAL
>ignore advice from plebs because you think you're hot shit
>die
Very SEAL thing to do actually.
Or did you forget a bunch of these guys drowned back in Grenada literally just because they miscalculated their buoyancy limits?
i believe this tweet because its exactly what i want to hear.
I believe it because hubris + overestimating their own capabilities has been the no. 1 cause of SF death for 50+ years.
Do you think the ocean is like a pool?
I'm pretty sure they were killed by unfriendly water
heh
>they were killed by friendly fire
Naw. He got his covid booster shots.