so bradley will just remain in service forever?

so bradley will just remain in service forever?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At least for the next 15 years. Rheinmetall and GDLS were only recently narrowed down to produce the bradley's successor. Also the supply chain for parts is still strong with the AMPV program entering production which is just a turretless bradley.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theyll end up cancelling it and just putting all the fancy new shit on the M2A4E2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >produce the bradley's successor
      AMPV is not the Bradley successor, that would be the OMFV

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        my bad, i misread your post

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The AMPV is actually the M113's successor. Basically same concept and ideia behind it's tactical niche (muh battle taxi) but with more armor and more space for troops. The M113 kinda fell into a weird spot because the Bradley replaced it in front line usage when it came out, while MRAPs would later replace them in urban scenarios and rear line usage due to their greater mine resistance and mobility/visibility on cities.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this variant will probably be the ultimate upgrade package for the vehicle. the benefit of making things for the m2 hull is that you're also making it for the M1283

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ROLL ETERNAL

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bet eastern europeans will get a lot of 2nd hand Bradleys and just work on some upgrade programs.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do euros call them bradley like theyre a collective conscious?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they are a collective consciousness.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      his name was Bradley Paulson

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't know about the Bradley Gestalt Project

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes it's going to kill aliens when we invade alpha centauri in the year 12k.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    B-52 of the land.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      B-52 is peak strategic bomber

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's to make fun of Pentagon Wars

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Despite the irl Burton being a dipshit (I liked Cary Elwes in the film), the point still remains the same from the film about government procurement.

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >despite all the evidence I presented being wrong, Your Honor, my case is ackshually still correct
        no

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So the M16 didn't have issues early in Vietnam? The meetings in Washington investigating the failures the rifle had were all made up? Wow. Cool.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No but if we look at a graph of the number of issues the m14 issues was still greater than m16 early on.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        government procurement will never not be fricked up. It is universal.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet the Bradley has been punching above its weight for decades despite its history
        Curious!

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How come endless requirements for unnecessary things made all of those suddenly necessary in the end? Did those drunk generals look satan in the eye and say: frick off?

    I can't fricking comprehend how contradicting my impression of the thing was before and after the war.

    Is this a one off scenario? Are we going to see such gems in the future?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Generals know more than civilian engineers about what a combat vehicle needs
      How is this at all surprising?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        very

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because pentagon wars is a parody, not a documentary, the bradley was always an IFV and IFVs are doctrinally sound

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only unnecessary thing was the portholes

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it works it works I suppose.
    >"Look at all of our new IFV technologies! Engine, electronics, weapons, material etc!"
    >"Ok so we can just stuff it into the bradley and call it a day?"

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, you could build a better M113 with diesel, armor and a turret. You just need to be make it better than a Bradley and fit within the procurement budget.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Calm down Mike Sparks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stfu, Sparkytard

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, for literally ever and ever. The Army has TRIED to replace it several times and each time the MIC has only managed to offer incremental improvements not worth the cost of acquiring. So new capabilities continue to get piled on. Armored vehicles as direct fire fighting systems are on the way out / already obsolete anyways so there;s no real loss. If the Army really wants a next-gen replacement they’ll probably have to fund the development from scratch because the MIC isn’t into taking on massive risky development programs on their own dime which is why it can only offer reheated crap over and over.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're just spouting off bullshit dispellable with simple google searches.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why has the Army failed to acquire a replacement up until now?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Budget priority

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If the Army really wants a next-gen replacement they’ll probably have to fund the development from scratch because the MIC isn’t into taking on massive risky development programs on their own dime
      That is literally how it has worked since before any of us were born.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This variant is will be the current best IFV in the world. Sorry puma bros

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s proving effective in Ukraine. They only had 187 of them originally and have put them to great use. I think the next logical step would be to replace the TOW launcher with something fire and forget.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I don't get why they don't just replace it with a Javelin. See a tank, pop the Jav, hide.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To replace every tow box on every Bradley would be a b***h but the vehicles being upgraded should not be a problem. CROWs-J would probably save weight over the TOW box and could be slaved to the vehicles optics

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb idea. TOW is a better missile than Javelin

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’m serious about what makes you think that

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Curious* holy frick

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bigger warhead with more penetration plus options for different warhead natures.
              Longer range (4.5km with the TOW 2B Aero RF)
              and it's all-weather.
              Overfly Top-Attack versions can also hit targets behind obstacles, without line-of-sight
              Javelin's seeker can and does reject tracking if the view of the target isn't perfect.
              It's excellent for a shoulder-fired ATGM, but there are many better missile systems for killing tanks that aren't constrained by portability.

              Spike ER is what Javelin could be if it was actually optimised for vehicle use as a proper TOW replacement, instead of being a shoulder-fired ATGM that now gets strapped to a CROWS

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                look at us not being autistic shit flingers. So basically we should investigate a lightweight, but still heavier than javelin tow replacement.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok what about a bigger Javelin then?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn’t exist

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think the next logical step would be to replace the TOW launcher with something fire and forget.
      That seems like it would be a hell of a lot cheaper and easier than developing and fielding an entirely new IFV. What exactly is wrong with the vehicle itself that couldn't just improved instead of replaced?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MIC handout. The Bradley is the superior IFV because 25 is just the best general purpose IFV round.
        >but we need to make IFVs shoot down drone!
        Nope, you travel with purpose built SHORAD vehicles

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >25 is just the best general purpose IFV round.
          then why are they using 50mm on the bradley replacement?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is a vehicle in development with a 50mm. It might not get canceled
            >Bradley replacement
            lmao

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They just dropped a new Bradley upgrade. It’s so over for OMFV

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              true, but it looks like we're switching to 50mm either on a new vehicle or as part of yet another bradley upgrade

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We might but I doubt they would replace the gun on legacy Bradleys.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think they will if the replacement program goes through. what I meant is if the replacement program fails (again) a gun upgrade would probably get rolled into a future upgrade package along with other toys they developed during the replacement program

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe. I can see the gun being useful in the point air defense role.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's limits to how much stuff you can add to an existing chassis and the Bradley is on the verge of it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can remove the TOW launcher and replace it. Maybe even cut down on the weight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Energy to run systems, which is the main issue with our current fleet and why DCGX is a thing. And if you are getting a new 40mm which we need for smart ammo, to combat drones, that means your getting a new turret, new turret as stated needs more power for shit, so then you have a new powerplant, now you are replacing the turret and the powerplant, so you basically are already engineering a new vehicle. So no it wouldnt be cheaper. The bradley is only doing extremely well because hilariously its effectively still fighting what it was designed to fight the soviet union.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The TOW requires a good bit of energy. It can be swapped 1 for 1 with a different ATGM that requires the same amount of energy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ya everything from EW suites to new gens of thermals are all hogging energy its not 1 thing. I mean literally just having plugs to charge the infantry guys phones/other comms gear is something the bradley was never designed for.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But all of that stuff is on there with the TOW as well. Swap the TOW

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bruh its like the navy wants spy6 on the arliegh burke, its like no we cant not enough energy you get spy4. You get what I am saying its not that a zero sum game necessarily. No single thing is enough to scrap the platform but combined it becomes cheaper to replace it than retrofit everything you need to do.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    say it with me
    >BRADLEYS ON MARS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ctu6YGg.jpeg

      there will be bradleys with legs on Mars

      Lunar Bradleys all painted white with gold foil heatsinks

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What other in service IFVs have APS?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's all those turreted mt-lb's with drozd

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there will be bradleys with legs on Mars

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so bradley will just remain in service forever?

    So it seems. So it seems...

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At their core these are just a steel box on tracks. Whatever would replace them are also likely to be a steel box on tracks so it's not actually any better than just bolting the new toys to your old box on tracks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is a point if the new steel box can either carry more people or if it's faster but doing either is hard while still keeping a similar profile, size and of course range.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Steel box on tracks

      Aluminum

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can anyone itemize this turret for me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ERA blocks on manlet are just a theory, might be some kind of counterweight because they increased the weight of the breach or something idk

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nta but thanks

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well yes

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bradley is just a box APC/IFV with good characteristics. You can keep upgrading it like the ship of Theseus and keep the same general form.

    I think Bradleys are too loud.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    couldn't they just ditch the TOW for brimstone instead??

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No brimstones are absolutely massive

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i guess i'm wrong about thinking that it's just an improved hellfire then huh.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No that’s pretty much what they were designed to be. They are meant to be fired from aircraft and I think the ground launched version probably adds a booster or significantly shortens the range. I would go with Spike instead of the TOW and keep the main gun

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            then a 4 pack javelin lawnchair would work.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Absolutely. I think 2 would be more realistic. But I love the idea of mounting javelins because the troops in the back already carry some. This would ease logistics a bit because the company would only have to stock 1 ATGM type and vehicles could borrow from the infantry in a pinch or vise versa

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'd even go so far as to add a coaxial gmpg to the main gun.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Who fricking cares? If you don't want to talk about Bradleys, simply frick off to another thread.
    This isn't some boomer forum where anybody gives a wet shit about your opinions.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This may amaze you, but I don't give a wet shit about your opinions, dumbfrick.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WTF didn't they finger out a common chassis for new MPF and new IRV, especially if reason for new MPF was lite-on-logisitics VS MBT.

    PS-make the turrets the same size for decoy reasons. The IFV would just use extra room for extra IFV shit like video screens for ATGM or anti-drone AAA/SHRAD or WTF, ammo boxes for auto-mortar. Cooler for drinks for the dismounts, IDK.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Common chassis is the wrong theory. You want common repair parts.

      It doesn't matter if vehicle 1 has 12 road wheels and 500 track links and vehicles 2 has 16 road wheels and 700 track links. What maters is if the track links are interchangeable. What matters is if engine parts are common.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is they?, and WTF can't a buy a cheap trailer that uses the most common pattern of car wheels, and WTF is there like two dozen "of the most common" car battery sizes, with connectors on diff sides?

        butt I fig a box is a box and Booker is based on a IFV, so I guess its not like you even want a "clean sheet design" for a tank VS IFV.

        FMC that makes M113 used to be called "Food Machine Corp" because that is what they made. Then they figured "We can tip these meat lockers over, paint'em GREEN and sell'em to the Army for 20X as much! PROFIT! They will still be meal lockers, more or less."

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so bradley will just remain in service forever?
    We're gonna drop ramps on Mars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Iron fist

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The actual article:

    https://defence-blog.com/elbit-systems-to-upgrade-u-s-army-next-gen-bradley-fighting-vehicle/

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so bradley will just remain in service forever?
    Of course, Bradley's will be gunning down Xenomorph's with rail guns in the future for sure.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    My man, I literally left the house, bought and ate dinner, had a nap, and came back to your seething.
    By all means, continue though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was literally my second post in this thread and the one in your screeshot wasn't my first.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no. Oh well guess we will just have to stick to on topic posting.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s stabilized dual feeding chain gun is really good

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the US military has a surprisingly decent track record when it comes to hardware longevity. M1911, Browning M2, Huey, Cobra, B-52, F-16, F-15, M113, Chadley, Abrams.
    And even if you account for stuff of US origin remaining in use with other countries; Shermans, Pattons, Mustangs, the US just had a knack for making shit that kept on working

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so bradley will just remain in service forever?

    Why not? Baring some revolutionary development in material technology, (pro tip: ain't gunna happen) any new vehicle would have the same capabilities but cost far more due to Wall Street Military-Industrial Complex shenanigans.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s just that good

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mike Sparks: "I wish the Army would choose an APC that was cost effective and traditional."

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope we get some of these in the future. We're getting the NZLAV which has the same gun as the Bradley.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but with a namechange
    Chadley, aka the CHAD

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tank is a tank
    if it does the tank things its good enough to field

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they have way too much shit bolted onto the turret. just redesign the damn thing at this point.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Of course. 25 is OP

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why hasn't the army replaced the TOW with something that can be fired on the move or fire-&-forget?

      Brads in general have a lot of outdated shit. 25mm is mediocre and lacks air burst. TOW is inferior to a lot of modern ATGMs.

      But when you already have them and enough ammo to last years it's just 3x cheaper than alternatives. US Army is not expected to fight massive land wars anyways. Even with China it's going to be mostly navy and air force.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why hasn't the army replaced the TOW with something that can be fired on the move or fire-&-forget?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There have been attempts to, but like with most weapons replacement programs, they were put on hold or canceled when the Cold War ended. It seems the they are trying again with a new program to develop a TOW replacement by 2028.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Main tank killers in us mil doctrine are planes, fire and forget antitank for missiles on chadley is very low priority and budgets are finite

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >budgets are finite

        This is the truth rest is cope.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the natty guard have these and if so how hard would it be for patriots during a civil conflict to end up with them?

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brads in general are the gold standard. The gun has proven to be the best in current gen warfare. The TOW is alright but it still gets the job done. Where it really shines is survivability, even moreso now that the US is procuring new variants with APS as standard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It shines in survivability because it's fighting vatnik shitboxes weighing half of a Bradley. 25mm is good at killing 40y old soviet designs with crap armor it's not going to do well against 24 ton chinese IFVs or anything else.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Source?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There really is a pretty solid upper limit for new designs. Once you get a really good one it's hard to build something to replace it without some revolutionary leap. That same revolutionary leap can probably also just be applied to the thing you've already got which is guaranteed MUCH cheaper than building a whole new thing from the ground up based around that leap and other advancements. Your new vehicle has to be so much better it's actually worth it to go through the whole process of replacing the old one.

    It's a problem I run into on sprocket all the damn time. I could waste hours to days designing a whole new vehicle based around some neat trick I read about like oscillating turrets as custom gun mantlets, ghost turrets, or whatever... or I could just do it to an already successful design much quicker making that WAY deadlier with a relatively simple upgrade.

    The thing is advancements these days aren't really going to change the actual hull, turret, and whatnot that much on successful designs beyond giving her a nice set of bolt-ons. It's going to be new tech rather than some revolutionary new armor, geometry, or whatever like it was from WWI to shortly after Vietnam. In the end what you get is an old proven designs covered in new doohickeys like the Brad in your pic. In my opinion the most likely oldschool upgrades would be better engines and a 30mm cannon, probably some variant of the M230. Everything else will be tech.

    All that said eventually a successor will absolutely be crowned, but probably not for a while. It's also probably going to be super modular and in service for a VERY long time.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thread theme: https://youtu.be/vQbZjvAxhIk

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ajax will replace the whole bradley fleet

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the actual wunderwaffle of the war ended up being an IFV
    Warthunder predicted this
    Autocannons good
    Mobility good
    Having less explosive smaller calibre ammo inside your tank is better armor than actual armor

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it’s the current best IFV fielded by any nation

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On mars

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bumping his thread after the rest got nuked

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seethe.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What brand of schizo did I just come across?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That dudes been on a spree all day. Some guy broke him by repeatedly making fun of some obscure British armored vehicle

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely, it’s too good to retire.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ka-chunk-ka-chunk....ka-chunk-ka-chunk-ka-chunk-ka-chunk

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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