So, as the results of recent events, is the myth of Chinese/Russian shits being cheap but it just works finally dispelled?
So, as the results of recent events, is the myth of Chinese/Russian shits being cheap but it just works finally dispelled?
So, as the results of recent events, is the myth of Chinese/Russian shits being cheap but it just works finally dispelled?
Maybe true for Russian shit, Chinese equipment is fantastic in comparison
Few counties use Chinese weapons and those that do report catastrophes, like the Kenyan APCs that have no ballistic protection whatsoever or the Pakistani frigates with no functional radar and the fricking rudder fell off of one of them
Which in turn will revive the old Soviet "Monkey model" myth, because of course the key to anti imperialist multipolar whatever blah blah is to sell your allies weapons you intentionally built wrong, as a joke
Let's see what kind of catastrophies the West will experience when hypersonics start flying
>muh hypersonics
They have already been proven nothing more than an authoritarian meme toy
They already did
They weren't a problem at all
Man, they did not update the shillbot. We already saw the hypersonics get shot down by standard air defences. Or did russia just send shitty weak versions so trick the kyiv israelitenazi regime into thinking russia is weak
>catastrophies
Good morning sirs
>Pakistani frigates with no functional radar
Did you shit this out of nowhere you fricking moron.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/22/pakistan-chinese-warship-malfunction/
Wow so a bunch of African countries that use tanks for banana republic celebration parades. They probably work great for those.
>in comparison
your stuff being compared to literal shit doesn't mean much
>WE'RE NOW HERE
Oh never mind it's a Chinese moron who will begin screaming about raping white women the moment you point out half of his country's fighters are literally MiG-21s.
Country that only had 20-30 years of their own weapon development programs? Yeah I'm sure it will be fantastic.
Impressive.
I dunno. The big issue with the Russians seems to be themselves, and not the machines -- doctrine, training, etc.
It's interesting to me how they aren't even cheap anymore
A T-90M is $4.5 million, a Leopard 2A7 is $6 million. An Su-35 is $85 million, a fricking F-35A is $78 million.
Now you get to spend similar sums of money AND get 1970s garbage, just like how even before they went full autism Russia got muscled out of the space business because a Soyuz was $90 million and a SpaceX Dragon was $67 million
the reason that T-72s were cheap is because they were sold at a loss
during the soviet days, it was a way to maintain political alliances
in the 90s to 00s, it was because the russians just needed to get them out of their warehouses as fast as possible because it costs money to keep them active and they massively downsized their standing army
Sanctions. Now Russia has to make all parts in Russia. Setting up factories for every single part now. Or pay extra from Chinese smugglers.
Meaning NATO/US has scale and trade for parts.
>Leopard 2A7 is $6m
What are you on about, judging by the Norwegian contract it's more like 20m
Anything is useless if used wrong, like the Ziggers just shoving tanks somewhere and thinking "That'll do"
There was no such myth. /k/ almost universally hated on Russian gear — but, mainly because of Armatard. Actually if anything Russian gear rep here has IMPROVED. The Chinese rep was always low but seems to have dropped lower recently.
Man, remember the days when the appraisal of Chinese equipment was that if you could get an SKS from Russia instead of China, you should leap for the chance?
only in turd world wars where both sides are a mish mash of anything they can get their hands on. Against full western outfit they are laughably inferior as everybody has been saying that has any clue about the realities surrounding desert storm
realities like
>iraq was the fourth stronkest army at the time
>experienced army just come out of a decade long trench war (like ukraine today) with Iran
>had the best of the best vatnik union gear that money could buy, complete with accurate copy of vatnik union military model
>top tier eastern block going against top tier western army
>same reality confirmed again and again with the Israel-arab wars in decades prior
>the latter ones demonstrated a progressive escalation of stagnation concerning air power in particular. Ridiculous kill ratios
vatniks are shit, they are made out of shit and everything they touch turns to shit. They cant go against western civilization might on open field with hard power
>vatniks are shit, they are made out of shit and everything they touch turns to shit
/thread
Where is that webm from? I swear I’ve seen it before some place but can’t remember where. Getting old sucks.
Youtube video on Desert Storm
Honestly. Give the t72 a bustle autoloader (maybe a western 120mm for ammo compatability as well), some modern thermals, and a couple more reverse gears and it becomes a very modern, safe, and effective tank.