So
>5 transport helicopters and 1 k 52
>1 transport plane
>20 pilots (source: rubar)
What are tactical advantages of THIS?
So. >5 transport helicopters and 1 k 52. >1 transport plane. >20 pilots (source: rubar)
So
>5 transport helicopters and 1 k 52
>1 transport plane
>20 pilots (source: rubar)
What are tactical advantages of THIS?
Just a ruse, you wouldn’t understand Westoid.
A ruse that got slightly out of control.
Unironically, a Westoid won't understand these are acceptable losses in maskirovka.
Showcase the incompetence that is russian security. It also showcases that NATO, at anytime, can theoretically pull a thunderrun to Baghdad in Russia because 90% of russian forces are bogged down in Ukraine.
How long would it take for NATO to steamroll through Belarus? Two weeks?
I'd give it a week for them to neutered their military with air power.
NATO is inherently more cautious. I would expect an expended air campaign to grind defenses into dust. What would be real fun would be Marine Raiders, Recon, Rangers etc doing expeditionary shit into Russia from Ukraine direct.
Why do they need to go through Belarus?
Funsies
It's the tutorial level.
Belarus is the tutorial level that teaches you all the basics and is unchanged from when the game released. Meanwhile Russia is the main game that gets more and more casualized as new DLC comes out to the point where it's significantly easier than the tutorial
Considering that they're down 4 out of their 15 EW choppers in existence after this raid and their early warning radar is next to non existent, NATO could probably launch a sortie or two out of Finland, fire of a dozen or so cruise missiles once they're a few 100km into Russia and just level the Kremlin whilst the Duma is in session which would achieve the same effect as a thunder run to Moscow for the fraction of the time and cost.
What could the Russians do to stop that?
NATO are cucks and cowards they wont do shit
Yeah.
Implications.
Of the 101st landing in Yasenevo district and Striker brigades support running from Latvia taking Moscow in 24 hours.
We may yet get the paratrooper/aircav redemption story we though hostomel would bring us
Wagner better really hope they don't have to call air support any time soon.
Hahhaha stupid trannies, it was just a warlord strong arming the government we didn’t even collapse into civil war.
he did it for lulZ
A peace has been made. However, the traitors cannot expect any air support now aside from their own chopppers and planes
>implying buck broken VKS won’t be flying support missions for the musicians
Strike that position fly boy.*~~))
The musicians don't need air support from troony traitors in Afrika *~~)
Priggys Autism is beyond our comprehension
I know he's horrible and all but I was lowkey rooting for the guy. He's a man of action
Kek Wagner has Russia on its knees in mouth and ass
You are a transphobe. By which I mean, transsexuals on the internet fill you with abject terror
Hey cutie boy, where were you when it actually happened? Oh you were silent you say? Not saying a word, because you were a scaredy b***h?
We heard nothing of the kind of you all day, but now, suddenly, you come out and say moronic things like that. Isnt that strange huh....
>false
Anon, there are multiple pictures of destroyed russian assets. Russian helicopters on video also showed destroying their own supplies to prevent Wagner from doing anything. The fact that wagner strong armed the Russian government is the equivalent of blackwater strong arming the Pentagon/Washington to do things their way.
>Russian helicopters on video also showed destroying their own supplies to prevent Wagner from doing anything.
Sadly I think another angle suggests it was a stray SAM from team gayner that hit that fuel depot. Unless there's a separate incident I haven't heard of, in which case kek
That's a pretty lucky shot
It's also been suggested it might've been the flares dumped by the Ka-52 while dodging the SA-13
No, there were russian KA-52s Destroying depots. Nefore wagner arrived. It was caught on video with a russian girl panicking and calling for her mom.
>we didn't even collapse into a civil war *~~) huge Russian W
It was just pyrotechnics, they weren't actually lost.
It was all part of the script to lure the west into making dumb statements.
lol what is monkey even gonna say when comes back on TV? How can you even begin to cope with this? He was talking about the Russian Revolution, stabs in the back, traitorous forces. I am already laughing thinking of how full moron this is going to get.
If the mercenary conductor really chickened out, I wonder if one of his subordinates will try something, they know they’re dead men anyways
Yeah, a lot of people are left holding the bag when Prig got himself a deal. I wonder what's gonna happen and I don't think FSB is in any capacity to pull mass purges like the old days.
they are all going africa from belarus
no one is hanging around and Prigozhin knows the ukraine war is lost anyway so he's also not staying to die there
Not a chance. Prigozhin has almost absolute authority over Wagner and part of the deal he cut was that anyone who helped him was granted amnesty. It's been several hours and nobody has gone against his word. Unless Prigo is killed before leaving Russia, the deal will hold.
he is going to say it never happened. And everybody understands everything
I understand that BOOBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
goddamn you are the dumbest people on Earth bar none
Rubar is a twitter trannie? Are you ok m8?
https://t.me/rybar/48990
How is anybody coping? Wagner shot down valuable Russian assets and blew up a fuel depot. Then got a deal and stopped. This wasn't a 4D psyop by Russia like /misc/ claimed, this was an actual coup attempt and it got stopped because the support Prigozhin thought he had did not materialise.
I'm not sure how '/k/ lost' either.
Those MI-8TPR-1s are EW helicopters, and the IL-22M was a communications relay plane. It would be like the US losing 3 EA-18 growlers, 2 Apaches, a Blackhawk, and an E-6B Mercury in an afternoon.
But Blackwater didn't take the Whitehouse! Iraq BTFO
>Vatniks think that narrowly avoiding a coup is an L for /k/
LMAO
Russian pol is laughing at putin and prig.
btw here is the collection of memes and footage from this happening by russian anons
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xNhNuVG05Sl5c49rr3ckGLIg5BDzAGjL
ban tech illiterate morons off internet
It's mostly videos of wagner rolling around and some of the downed helicopters.
Also some dead guys.
>btw here is the collection of memes and footage from this happening by russian anons
post samples igor
so no samples ivan?
He posted the whole catalog homie
no samples, got it
Wintoddlers are pathetic.
Shoigu royalists.
Shows how where's no defense within Russia. One F-22 could take out all Russian army with single loop around Moscow and safely land there to get an ice cream and refuel before leaving directly back to US.
Said F-22 could land in Red Square, then radio in for the ice cream ship to sail into Moscow, build an ice cream factory on the ruins of the Kremlin, THEN order his ice cream cone, enjoy it in peace, and finally launch and fly back to base ...
.... all while pants-shitting monke hides in St. Pidorsburgh and calls Eritrea to ask them when it's safe to return to Moscow.
Funny pic.
mi35 is mi24 hind on steroids - it can transport few troops but it is mainly used as attack heli
the longer the war goes on the weirder rusBlack person cope gets
>false Ukranian twitter numbers
ehh but that's rybar
to own the libtards with le epic prank
in all seriousness, it was about Hunter Bidens laptop. the laptop have been secured, coup is no longer needed.
These were old helicopters, ready to be retired anyway
'twas just a lark, all in good fun!
>pootin gets humiliated and his in control strongman image is irreparably damaged
>priggy gets exiled to fricking Belarus for some weird reason
>20 pilots killed and 7 aircraft destroyed
>unknown number of soldiers and vaginers killed
>unknown number of civilians
>vaginers are not happy with the capitulation, having expected they would take government buildings in Moscow
>shajgo and gerasimov are nowhere to be seen and humiliated
>3.2 million Russians are now confirmed to have fled the country
>chug is coping about how this is an L for Ukraine somehow
Can somebody explain to me what was achieved
chug thought russia was about to completely destabilize like everyone else did but instead it only continued its slow descent
therefore russia beat expectations by orders of magnitude, so it's winning. nevermind the fact that its actual on the ground situation is marginally to significantly worse than it was just yesterday, it's winning because our expectations are so low at this point.
this is also how the stock market "works", hence "they can stay moronic longer than you can stay solvent"
>marginally
Anon, Putin has now been exposed to have no force of arms backing him at home. Whatever the frick he pulled on Priggy wasn't a victory by force of arms.
He looks pathetically weak. He might survive for years yet but his ability to compel his subordinates is now much reduced.
Better yet, the longer his army stays at the frontlines, the less support he will have. If the ukies somhow pull off a success, he's fricked. If the ww1 style attrition continues, he's fricked
We wasted our day having fun anon
I just wish there was a payoff, some really lulzy stuff, instead of this giant letdown
If you had fun, was the day really wasted?
Sorta, since everything that happened today amount to nothing, it was just a flash in a pan and ended without anything great. I enjoyed it a lot, just wish there was more, you know?
I seriously doubt it's actually over. Maybe for today, but it will flare up again.
I'm not holding my breath, but I'll welcome it if it happens. Maybe the wagners who resigned will form some wagner2 group and try again or something
Its not about wagner, its about the fact that russia can be blackmailed by walking into moscow. And given that it is really easy anyone of the armed groups in russia can try it.
That was already proven though, when the free russian entered, or when the drone exploded on the kreml, or when partisans destroyed pretty much anything they wanted
>1 transport plane
Not a transport plane. A goddamn airborne command post!
This is worse. A goddamn warlord just marched onto the capital, and the emperor - after nearly nobody rallied to him - had to compromise with him instead of smashing the rebellion flat.
Empires rely on perception as much as they do on actual power. The claim of imperial invulnerability has just been challenged, and the the empire has reacted by... giving in and compromising. The illusion has been shattered. This is a blow that will have consequences for years, if not decades going forward.
homie, Putin's crew is even more pathetic and it's by design
Prigozhin's shitshow only happened because he was desperate to save his own ass
Doesn't matter why it happened. What matters is that it happened and that it ended in the government essentially fricking caving in and pardoning the rebels instead of trying to fight them. The whole damn russian system was built on the principle that you couldn't oppose Putin without getting smashed. Now that pillar has crumbled.
It’s honestly mindblowing that some try to bend this as some great victory for Russia. How in the frick? The regime looks incompetent, aircraft and infrastructure got fricked up, and Wagner is out of frontlines. If this is a psyop, what did it achieve?
Please understand. It started as vatniks actually having to entertain the thought of anything from a full withdrawl to the complete disillusion of the russian state. Anything less than that is a win for them because it was not an immediate failure just a different path on the slow slide to complete failure.
For me, the most hilarious thing is their
>actually, CIA bribed Wagner with money, but he just pretended to coup and now he’s laughing with Putin billions richer
story. I mean, I was super intetested to see where ziggers would lean if the shit got serious and they had to choose sides, but the absolute madmen actually found a way to avoid going beyond their usual ”xaxaxa Russia fooled the dumb HATO” narrative.
What's even worse is Lukashenko was the one to deescalate everything, while Putin and Shoigu fled from the scene.
i'm waiting to see how much of wagner joins prigozhin in bexile. watch the potato man inherit a fully-formed praetorian guard and a big chunk of prigozhin's african income.
Most of them on the excursion are going. Stay and be sent into meatgrinder as cannon fodder by next week.
It would be hilarious if Luka removed Putin after this.
For all the memes, he now looks much stronger. And I wouldn't be surprised if the glowies backing Putin get the same idea.
so many people fled moscow. even shoigu was caught trying to leave. how can the Orc Emperor depend on them now?
Don't forget about armed groups outside of Russia
I think it's unlikely it will be priggy again. It will be someone else in the MOD who sees this and gets ideas. Probably lots of people unhappy with how Wagner was allowed to literally kill russian pilots and get away with it
Rolling for a Shoigu coup. Would be funny if it happened.
And I could have it all
My empire of wood
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
jej
>since everything that happened today amount to nothing
The complete destruction of the facade of imeprial inviolability and govenrment authority in Russia is hardly "nothing" outside the delusion of hyper-coping vatnik shills. We're watching an August '91 situation.
>amount to nothing
Putin's new clothes were exposed. The clock is now ticking, I really doubt he'll ever recover his image of strength. And autocrats need to look strong, so strong any defiance is meaningless, to rule without constant obstruction and subversion by their self-interested lackeys
It was kinda like fricking a really pretty girl, but somehow being prevented from cumming. Sure, it was great, but also a letdown.
can't relate
Something something MTG/Funkopops something something can open but can't take back home.
My best guess is that Prigozhin has managed to buy himself a ticket out of this mess of a war.
Supposedly, Prigo and the rest of Wagner are out of the war and will be taking all their shit and moving to Africa. Also something may happen to Gerasimov and Shoigu.
prigozhin africanus is returning home to celebrate with a tribune after his smashing victory at bakhmut. the war is won
Could you guys just read a news article or something? Prigozhin is moving to Belarus.
>the news reported
the news only reports what russia alleges. you have to read between the lines. belarus means white russia, if they're alleging he's on his way there it means he's going somewhere black and not russia
>Also something may happen to Gerasimov and Shoigu
Where are they, actually?
>We're returning to the 1950s-1960s halcyon days of the african mercenary.
Everybody was banking on a redux of the 30s and instead we're getting this weird remix resampling shit. I can't wait for Lebanon 2 electric boogaloo in what, fricking Sri lanka or something.
Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Tunisia, Lebanon (again), Haiti, Venezuela, South Africa, Sudan etc etc all are countries i've seen recently being talked about in terms of failed/near failed states.
Maybe scriptwriters will finally bring Rhodesia back
I feel blueballed. I wanted Russian on Russian violence. The 3 T-14s pressed into service, and burning in Red Square, Shoigu dragged out of his weeb fortress.
I wanted to see a tank battle between a Wagnerite T-80 and the Victory Day Parade T-34 in Red Square.
I'm just curious what kind of insurance Priggy had against ol' Polonium Putin. He has to have something going for him that makes him very sure Putin won't try to murder him, and I can't figure out what it could be.
The current Qtard take is golden
if Biden toppled Putin I'd vote for him and I'm not even American lmao
The war is all a distraction away from Biden's dickpicks
Gib more screenshots of twitter "its all to distract from biden dickpics" moronation.
It's always entertaining how they interact with the world purely through vibes. Were Biden to get Putin removed and at least nudge Russia towards a more pro-west position would he not be the hero? I mean if you were also pro-west it would just be logical that the man that brings one of the thorns in your side towards your position would be the hero of the story.
And of course it's made by an account pretending to be run by a woman. Gotta get those extra points of creditability by not looking like a guy who lives with his mother.
I mean, Laura Loomer is a real Q-tard. But if I could get paid bucks to just manage her twitter and tweet inane bullshit in her name that'd be a pretty fun job because it's not my name tied to that bullshit.
the sad part is a large number of americans are actually stupid enough to believe this
I havent been paying much attention to the Qtard/magaBlack person train for a while, who is this?
Very oldschool q-tard. She started with maga, but blew up big doing the whole antivaxx Q-grift.
While they got Marjorie to appeal to buff psudopenised divorcees, Loomer is the dumb thottie they got to appeal to antivaxx Facebook bimbos. Like not just specifically the Covid jab, but actual crucial ones like Polio and Measles lol
>the CIA is behind this!
I bet the CIA offices right now are like in the ending scene of Burn After Reading with JK Simmons as the CIA chief, trying to figure out what the frick just happened.
This is so incredibly stupid and absurd. Can normal thinking people even make sense of this?
prigozhin gets to take his army into exile with him rather than having it stripped from him by the forced MOD contract signing, original deadline july 1
Except his army isnt going with him. And what will he do with it in belarus? Nothing. He had a chance to take over a nuclear power and gave it up for nothing. russia has no need to respect wagner troops that sign up. Pringle cant protect them from belarus. Russia can now take its time and get rid of his troops that joined up.
>He had a chance to take over a nuclear power and gave it up for nothing.
Not without the support of the army. Even if he got to Moscow he wouldn't have been able to take control of anything, the government would have just evacuated to St Petersburg and awaited the army.
He saw that he had 25k men, saw that nobody else was joining him, and knew that he had basically no logistics and no secured rear. If Prigozhin went ahead with the Moscow assault, he'd eventually lose as the army surrounded him
Which army? The one that let him pass?
The aviation that got easily neutralised?
Not him but it wouldn't take long for a large number of soldiers to be pulled out of Ukraine with their equipment and sent to quell the mutiny. Russia would definitely give up on the war completely if necessary.
Prigozhin will go to Belarus and die of a sudden heart attack. Very tragic.
Prigo is now Lukashenko's ace in the hole to avoid getting couped by his own army.
Fricking genius.
>He's now perceived as the savior of Russia, stopping the coup
>He got his own mercenary bodyguards
>Putin won't try to frick with him
>Prigo brings most of Wagner with him
>Luka orders them to act as rear guard troops to ensure the Belarusian army doesn't coup him for doing so
>Ukraine now has to deal with Belarus actively joining the war
>Meanwhile in Ukraine Putin is clearing out anyone who tried to join Prigo
>Gerasimov and Shoigu are still replaced due to being incompetent.
>Russia unironically comes out of what everyone though was a coup in a FAR stronger position
I'm not convinced bringing Belarus into the war and reopening the northern front would be anything but disastrous for Russia. What if Poland decides to Coalition of the Willing it over to Minsk?
The one thing stopping Ukraine from daily bombing Belarus has been to deescalate the chance of them going to war.
Belarus lacks the depth of ammo storage Russia has, and it's border is heavily mined/barricaded and swampy with Ukraine.
Luka is planning past this war.
brings most of Wagner with him
Luka would be moronic to allow this.
Wagner just tried to replace Putin.
The copest cope that ever coped
Cant wait to snipe bydlorus cattle crossing the minefields.
I think it’s more likely that this will result in Lukashenko exerting Belarus’s sovereignty more and more while dealing with Russia. Luka already worked very hard to keep Belarus as far from this conflict as he could, but now he has significant leverage over Putin, Prigozin’s Africa money, and a battle hardened praetorian guard who can be used in a quasi deniable way. I think we are as likely to see logistical problems, road construction, and other excuses used to throttle to death the RUAF missions being flown from Belarus and also the drawdown of the Russian training efforts in Belarus. They won’t go full Kazakstan, but that’s because Lukashenko desires the head of the table in the Union State, and this gives him much better positioning to make another play for that position once Monke’s health fails.
Putin's international position has gotten increasingly more isolated isn't he? Kazakhstan essentially told him to frick off when the coup went on and now Luka got the upper hand with Wagner joining the man's entourage.
Its simple
Priggy did not have the support within the Russian govt he thought he did. Putin knows he still commands a powerful force that could batter anything in Moscow right now and still depose him by force. A deal is made where Putin wont punish him, but he has to leave the country.
Its still an incredible blow to Putins legitimacy and exposes how incredible fragile the situation is in Russia right now, and leaving the guy who just marched 5000 troops into your capital probably isnt the best idea, but its the best that could be done right now since neither side is willing to go full moron
It seems Prigo was planning the operation to happen earlier or later but had to start quickly due to the strikes on his men by the RU Air Force yesterday. Putin was going to be in the South on the 25th in normal circunstances.
We were THIS close to Putin getting the full Gaddafi.
Dammit Pringles.
>Priggy did not have the support within the Russian govt he thought he did.
Who the frick cares about government support when you're like 200kms away from toppling it, christ in heaven.
Priggy was a moron. He might not have the government support, but he had a lot of military support.
You can also win support by pure momentum. People don't like to take the losing side, and so if you manage to look like you have the better hand then well... people will join your side.
Wagner by all accounts was doing extremely well, they faced little resistance which was a very bad sign for the opposite side. The further they went, the more support that Priggy would get.
>they faced little resistance which was a very bad sign for the opposite side
not really.
Russia is at war. soldiers moving around is a common sight.
so no resistance because no one thought of them as mutineers.
There was the chance that they would get bogged down on the outskirts of Moscow and then get hammered by air and indirect fire and eventually encircled by chechens and other reserve forces.
kek, like Napoleon marching across France and an army forming to follow him
is it some 5D chess move to cause a civil war in Belarus?
>cum/chug/gers now call rybar fake
oh nononono
>You see, Western shills, this is all a nothingburger because Russia didn't collapse immediately and they only lost some aircraft and pilots. Therefore, this actually means Putin is stronger because I said so.
Which Russian region would be the first one to try to push for independence, since central government has proven to be powerless?
MY FRICKING SIDES ARE IN ORBIT I CAN'T FRICKING BELIEVE IT
I was talking to some anon about how losing a Mi-35 to a bunch of light infantry with manpads was hilarious and they asked about Havocs.
Well apparently the Russian Helicopterpilot telegram channel is saying they lost a fricking Havoc on top of the known losses
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1672709307073196034
>Havoc
I call them hinds.
Mi-28 dumb dumb, a bit more rare and expensive than a Hind
/pol/troons are STILL coping and malding over Putin having to give in and compromise with a mutinying warlord
dont forget:
>Self-destroyed fuel depot in voronezh (one that would otherwise be beyond ukrainian reach and completely safe)
>(supposedly)bombed bridge near moscow
>dismantled pontoon bridge near moscow
>bunch of highways leading to moscow torn up by earthmovers
Chug is unironically claiming none of this happened kek
Right on cue
and whole bunch of wealthy muscovites who thought that this whole "war" thing was something that only happens between khokhols and some poor-ass chukra mobiks from lesser republics just got a rather rude wake-up call.
Wagner never actually showed up in Moscow and all the panicked trench digging and sand bagging was on the outskirts of the city.
Muscovites wont learn shit from this.
>Self-destroyed fuel depot in voronezh
Igla missed k 52 and accidentally destroyed it.
>dismantled pontoon bridge near moscow
Never happened.
>(supposedly)bombed bridge near moscow
Old footage of failed bridge demolition.
Keep lying, zigger. We all see you shooting each other.
That was apparently a bus if you go frame by frame. Piggy mentions this in the video from Rostov, “you blew up a bus and you don’t even care” / “first i heard about this”.
So not only did they try to shoot them down, they killed a busload of civvies in trying.
Expect to hear more about this never.
>accidentally destroyed it.
the god of war doesnt care about accidents, they dont have it anymore.
Definitely signs of no panic.
so, how is this whole shitshow going to affect kadyrov?
He was always supposed to be putins backup plan - independent loyalist force to back him against internal threats
Yet in the first real test, he literally pretended to be stuck in traffic to avoid getting involved
>against internal threats
Against rebelling serfs, not against actual military threats.
Prig supposeldy only had 5K soldiers which should have been a match for Kadyrov's forces. They have some decent arms but of course they're just bullies and not real soldiers.
Only 5000 as opposed to 25,000 like he said? No wonder Prigozhin backed down then.
>the kremlin bowed to 5,000 vatniks rolling down a highway
Kadyrov's forces are a brutal warband that excels at scaring the shit out of civilians and mobiks alike. Wagner is an actual military force with plenty of fresh experience in one of the harshest battlefields in recent memory.
Kadyrov gets $100 million a day from RU and still pussied out. One of his henchmen will be offered the job.
>expected to see action movie
>got a black comedy instead
Not the best outcome, but still entertaining one
>/k/ - Klowns and Komedy at the Kremlin
It was a prank, uncle Prigo showed Putin the camera filming and now everyone understands everything
>He is a traitor! Stab in the back! Will be punished!
>Jk we got a deal, charges are dropped and he can leave safely
The absolute humiliation.
It's actually make sense if you think about it.
Wagner didn't want to fight.
But helicopters were ordered to engage Wagner.
So the retaliate instead of dying to show their serious intentions and send a warning (this isn't Turkey 2016).
Another thing is the order itself. In Russia army has no rights to stop you in normal situation. Only police/rosgvardia can legally. By attacking Wagner, helicopters did attack "Russia citizens and Russian territory" unironically. So this is probably why they will get away with it.
Sucks to suck. Those pilots families must be livid. lol
>Russian army has no rights to stop insurrectionists
That seems poorly thought out.
>That seems poorly thought out
Russian history in a nutshell.
The idea is that you can't call army like a police so easily. Pretty sure it's the same in other countries so the army is the last bastion for solving problems.
It's to prevent the army from being able to coup the emperor as easily. Prevent this exact scenario but by army cadres, even. Have interior troops with more authority back home who can hamstring any attempts by combat troops to supplant the communist par... I mean, Vladimir Vladimirovich.
who's saying those choppers engaged them first?
that lone Ka-52 video more looks like wrong place, wrong time.
doctrine would half them use two Ka-52 and engage from afar.
I think doctrine falls apart a little bit when you have a PMC rapidly advancing towards your capital city.
that Ka-52 is literally flying over them.
that's just moronic and asking to be lightened up.
That was early on, I don't think they were quite sure of their AA capabilities. Also, I think your expectations might be set a little too high considering everything that's happened in the past year and a half.
Ka-52s on the frontline are very deadly currently.
RuAF learned their lessons there.
>muh KA-52
LMAO. Still no actual evidence of them scoring enen a single kill.
Bro...even /wm/ knows.
>bro, it's totally happening
>trust me, bro
>the miss video totally means they're effective
>believe me, bro, it's not just vatBlack person propaganda trying to hype another wunderwaffe
>and please don't mention that half the fleet has been BTFO'd already
Also,
Stop talking to yourself, schizo.
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I'm
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meds?
Yeah, in a defensive role they seem to work really well. The range on their missiles is a huge boon in those situations, and their poor quality sensors aren't as much of a hinderance when they know pretty much exactly where enemy armor is going to be. On the other hand, they seem to have a hard time with the hunter/killer type missions such as earlier in the war when Russia was on the offensive, and here during Pringle's little coup.
They were basically in killzone judging by the videos.
>Ka-52s on the frontline are very deadly currently.
for their pilots
>who's saying those choppers engaged them first?
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672727525921808386
mmmmm roasted piggies*~~))
>it was a psyops ok??
>>west losing appetite for material support to ukraine
It's no longer an option. A cold conflict where Russia controls 3/4 of the Ukraine coastline is a disaster for the world. Ironically a quick defeat for Russia is the best thing for it long term.
What does a Russian oligarch chimping out have to do with the actual war wtf?
>call it a feint
IT IS JUST A PRANK BRAH!
>west losing appetite for material support to ukraine
lmao might as well say the ayylmaos are coming to save russia
>coup against putin thwarted
Affects Ukraine how? Priggy already fricked off of Barkmutt to Russia proper.
>>west losing appetite for material support to ukraine
Black person, we just saw Russia having to bribe and negotiate with traitors and mercenaries to prevent the state from falling apart into civil war. This is possibly the best sign that the investments are having massive returns nobody even dared hope for.
Many apologies, I understand a deal was made with Wagner, and they are not attacking Moscow.
But what now? I can’t find news about what Wagner is doing. Have they just stop and hold conquered cities, or are they going back to frontlines to fight hohols, or they are moving to Belarus to serve the Potato King?
Attached image is thanking for informations from you globohomosexual fans.
Apparently, Prigo is going to Belarus, Wagner personnel that participated in the coup will be granted amnesty, and those that didn't will be allowed/forced into contract with the MoD. I think that's the last we've heard.
>those that didn't will be allowed/forced into contract with the MoD
Lmao I guess they'd wish they actually follow through with the fighting.
Rumor is that a lot of Wagner personnel are pissed about the deal, they understandably view it as a betrayal.
They were so close to Moscow, that's the problem. I doubt Russian gov would let it slide the second time.
I'll be honest, I don't know what other cards the Russian govt would've been able to play. Would their national guard have been able to keep Wagner out of Moscow? They wouldn't take the traditional Russian approach to counterterrorism in their own capital would they?
I'd imagine that the mood is pretty different in Rostov and at the convoy outside Moscow.
I don't think that's true. I've seen footage of Prigozhin in Rostov after the deal was made. Everyone was cheering for him. Wagner, regular army and civilians. There's this sense that he stood up to the MOD, got some kind of message out for the soldiers in the conflict and won by getting a deal cut without getting a massive amount of people killed in the process.
>I don't think that's true. I've seen footage of Prigozhin in Rostov after the deal was made. Everyone was cheering for him. Wagner, regular army and civilians. There's this sense that he stood up to the MOD, got some kind of message out for the soldiers in the conflict and won by getting a deal cut without getting a massive amount of people killed in the process.
He should have fricking arrested the MoD heads and led them out to be mocked while he became Tsar and cut a deal with the west. If he ended the Ukraine war he'd be made King of Russia for life in exchange.
Who was on that airplane? Because that sounds like an air control and command post... which was blown up. That means Generals and other high ranking people were put in charge of monitoring Wagner who are now dead.
>Who was on that airplane?
CIA
>But what now?
It is now 100% in Prigozhin's interests for the war to fail. He's made it "Putin's war". If the war fails, Putin fails, and Prigozhin is a front runner in the power vacuum that follows. What happens next? There's two possible outcomes.
1. Prigozhin is assassinated in Belarus. Unless he took his 25000 men with him, then he's mostly likely gonna suffer some attempt to kill him. Putin will want to make sure Prigozhin cannot threaten Putin again.
2. Prigozhin continues plotting in Belarus. He makes connections. Maybe gets Lukashenko's ear. He banks on the war failing without Wagner, and plans to reenter Russia when it does.
So he's planning for a second coup then? I dunno, people have already see him for what he is and could anticipate his moves. For his sake, he'd better stay away from Russia while the getting's good. Things could possibly get even worse for him now that it's not just Putin that want his head on a pike but there's some elements in his army that didn't favor of his plan.
Nope, there will not be a second chance, this was his only chance. He's lost all momentum now.
The only places I've heard the "His underlings are upset" line are from pro-Putin channels and some speculative posters here. Everyone else can't believe Prigozhin actually got the MoD to listen to him.
>The only places I've heard the "His underlings are upset" line
It's literally the first reaction by wagnerite channels like AP Wagner.
Interesting sequential replies to the dissenting opinion. Looks like you're both Russians, too. What are the odds?
>hurr durr there is no source
>gets shown sources
>uh multiple people replied so it must be shills
go check yourself, homosexual. AP wagner renamed himself and is still seething.
How it began and how it ended
Cope
3. Prigozhin fricks off to Africa and builds an empire around his diamond mines, running his dream little North Korea fiefdom in the DRC
>assassinated
I don't find that very likely. The Kremlin has already been shown to be incapable of defending itself, they had to back down and negotiate.
There will probably be more to come, and if they kill of Prigozhin now, the next coup leaders will know they get less than nothing from negotiating.
I agree they arent likely to kill Prig immediately but you'd have to be very naive to think there wont be an ''accident'' somewhere in his future. Putin cannot stand being humiliated like that and has killed for far far less
I doubt it. Putin was probably on the phone Lukashenko handed Priggy and said "Alright you've killed enough MOD today grandpa let's get you to Belarus." Putin is glad Prigozhin attacked MOD, his circle runs on infighting. Only we see it as weakness.
>being humiliated on a global scale is a good thing, actually
I thought he was humiliated too. But after after much consideration I don't think he sees it that way. Bro fancies himself a warlord and has no reason to be ashamed of his minions scrapping for control (in his mind anyway). If Prigozhin had thought he humiliated Putin that gravely I seriously doubt he would've just dropped all of his leverage instantly to be at Putin's mercy. Theyre backwards as frick over there bro
Scrapping for underling position, rather. Priggy made it a real point to leave Putin's name out of his mouth in all the promos he cut
At no point is an authoritarian leader happy with a military column rolling into his capital while shooting down aircraft and calling for the minister of defenses head. Regardless if Pringles didnt actually speak Putins name for plausible deniability, Putin was very clearly in full panic mode in his speech and literally fled Moscow in his jet. He isnt anywhere near as omnipotent as you think he is
>literally fled Moscow in his jet
false flag that was just a body double fleeing
Might be, real Monke never leaves his bunker
>ukraine offensive faceplanted
According to who, zigger propaganda channels?
>coup against putin thwarted
LMAO, he literally had to bend the knee and compromsie with a warlord marching on his capital. The facade is shattered, vatnik. Putin's weakness is revealed for all to see.
>west losing appetite for material support to ukraine
According to who, more worthless zigger propaganda?
>It was fun while it lasted.
It's only just begun, Vanya. And it will only get worse for (You).
>a weakened PMC just wiped the floor with Russian aviation in their own territory
>6 helicopters
3 of the 6 were electronic warfare helis
So the deal was reached several hours ago and still no word from Gerasimov or Shoigu? Did they return home to muster their own forces for the counter coup?
They're moving house into windowless bungalows to prevent any "accidents" in the coming weeks.
>STILL posting debunked shit
rubar never posted any of this homosexual
aren’t those Mi-8’s with the EW suite ultra rare and super important to the RuAF?
How could these helis be rare, when they have such a high drop rate?
Yep and they already lost 2 of them back in May.
He just wanted to go to Africa and Colonize because Russians never had the chance to do it. That's what this whole dumb show was about.
This still feels quite surreal to me. Ex convict mercenary guy is in a open revolt with his private army of convicts & rapist after being fed to the meat grinder for a year, countless of losses, apparent clashes with the MoD troops, gets shelled, invades russia and captures a big city without any opposition, makes a mad dash to Moscow unopposed while downing several helicopters, gets branded a traitor and government in full panic just to cut out a deal "okie to no problemi friend here's monix, amnesty to your friends and can go to Belarus everything fine and forgiven xDDD"
WTF!? No consequences at all? No other plans than to just oust the rotten leadership of the army? Absolutely makes no sense. Do you think we will see new things unfolding in the following weeks or will the war in Ukraine be just as usual? No repercusions for the average mobik on the front? This felt quite significant and a turning point to the war...I just can't believe nothing happened...not even open protests or any kind of betrayals. This war is 100x worse than the USSR invasion of Afghanistan and nobody (except Priggy) dares to speak up. There must be a breaking point
I think it's better for you to treat this war as theatrics. A lot of people die in it but it doesn't matter, it's all part of the show.
I think we should wait and see what both sides do. This deal is a pause. Maybe Prigo's trying to get more military people on his side, or got hired by Lukashenko to guard him
>This war is 100x worse than the USSR invasion of Afghanistan and nobody (except Priggy) dares to speak up. There must be a breaking point
Nobody wants to put their head over the parapet. Prighozin seemed to have an epiphany that what he was doing was monumentally retatlrded and doomed to end in a full-scale chimpout. Literally nobody wants Putins job right now, he's in the weird position of both fricking himself with this war but it also keeps him alive as nobody else wants to lead russia into the black pit that is coming.
>The CEO smears shit all over his office in the hope noone will want to replace him
sounds plausable enough
I'd be willing to bet that Putin knew, and let him do it just to send a message to the MOD. I don't think Putin worries about the infighting being perceived as weak, like we do in the west. Just the Orcs blowing off steam (each other)
>WE ONLY HAD MOLDY BREAD FOR THREE STINKING DAYS
>WHAT ABOUT THEM? THEY LOOK FRESH
>UUOOHHHHH
Honestly I don't know if he's really planning for this. The speech he's made was overtly emotional, as if the whole mess actually got under his skin.
Maybe Putin really thought it was a coup. With how easily Priggy gave up though it really seems like he just wanted to take advantage of the peon discontent to zog some of Shoigus guys and call it day. That seems like something Putin would be ok with or even encourage, given that it defuses (very toxic and short sightedly) some of the growing unrest among the troops.
equal trade considering that wagner lost a dozen dudes or something
no wonder they agreed to some truce
Russian channels are confirming now it was an Il-22 airborne command post with 10 people on board, not the lesser loss of an Il-18 airborne radio relay
So by US standards at least one 4 star. Nice work Wagner!
Allegedly the AD guy in the convoy went berserk and started shooting down everything he could detect
>Allegedly the AD guy in the convoy went berserk and started shooting down everything he could detect
Based.
The hero Russia deserves, but not the one it needed
He's lying. He said in his first or second audio message that they would shoot down "any plane or helicopter we see over our heads."
Those were Ukrainian pilots. Trust the plan Z.
I'm beginning to wonder wether all this was just russian theater to get Wagner into Belarus and that convoy shenanigans a simulated exercise for later push from Belarus border to Kiev. Everythings possible in this shitshow.
Nah it was a dollar store Kornilov Affair, and has probably widened the cracks in Putin's regime irrepairably
If it will lead to a dollar store October Revolution remains to be seen
Last time they had the element of surprsie and their best troops. Now the border is mined to hell and back and the Kiev TDF is fully entrenchent in an area surronded with swamps with one viable road. Putin won't care about the churkas, but such an attack would be a massive waste of equipment they can't really afford to loose.
>to get Wagner into Belarus
They could have just done it without the shitshow.
So what happens to the dead pilots and crew of these aircraft?
Is Russia going to just write them off to their families and say that they got whacked in Ukraine instead of Wagner shooting them down?
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672884848497680384
Lada
>$50,000 for each person kill in the coup
Frick it, any moronos on this board wanna join me in couping Russia? If we fails we can just pay the money and get out anyway
Say that they all accidentally fell from the windows during the Special Military Protest
Helicopters fall out of windows all the time, and pilots aren't real. I've never met a vatnig helo pilot in real life so I must conclude they're homograms.
Just to send a message
Could Ukraine help pushing things along on stoking the flames, taking advantage of Putin's current gov vulnerability? Maybe have some other raid in other places in Russia or something?
Given current events I think the only thing Ukraine needs to do is stand their ground and keep pressuring the Russian army
They have their excuse to halt their counter-offensive. Two more weeks and 6 more billion until Russia collapses
Did they halt it?
Who knows - zigger tg claim ukies got to Robotyne and the 3rd assault brigade commander declared they have taken the Donbass canal north of Backhmut
For now the Potato waits. Soon he will disperse the messengers, Ukraine will move, and Belarus will begin to grow as the frozen bear shatters.
I still have no idea what Potatoman's endgame in all this.
There is no endgame for the dictator beyond gaining cloud and perceived power.
I think he's had a stroke
I don't, since this deal makes Luka appear like a powerbroker to the world and indebts Putin to him.
I mean Putin. He's broken somehow.
His plan used to be to take over Russia from Yeltzin, now it's just to stay in power.
Nobody's going to frick with My Name Is Luka I Live In The Second World now. He's got the only competent warlord in the region giving him all the security he could ever need, and even if they turned on him, he can then just call in a favour from Putin. That Belarusian waifu politician can't take them all on.
>implying anyone would frick with Luka
>Rothschilds bow to Lukashenko
>In contact with aliens
>Possesses psychic-like abilities
>Controls Russia with an iron but fair fist.
>Owns castles & banks globally.
>Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Potatograd will be be the first city).
>Direct descendant of the ancient royal bloodlines.
>Can save entire continents with a single phone call (and did exactly that today).
>Owns 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth.
>First designer babies will in all likelihood be potato diggers.
>Said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51.
>Ancient Indian scriptures tell of potato-bearing man who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them.
>The Tunguska event in 1908 was actually Lukashenko arriving on planet Earth.
>Owns Nanobot R&D labs around the world.
>You likely have potatobots inside you right now.
>Is in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (first meeting between the two organizations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader’s first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the potatobunker in Wilkes land?
>Learned fluent pigspeak in under a week.
>Invented solanum tuberosum geometrics, a complex field of mathematics which only Lukashenko can comprehend fully.
I just feel immensely bad for my Belarusbros right now, the idea of their revolution sounds a lot less reachable now...Kalinovsky's could've had immensely easy pickings before, but now with Wanger in the country, with little to no places to flee and thus probably fighting harsh in defence of Lukashenko?... damn, can someone give me some copium?
Word, all they needed to do was seize MSQ, fricking things like 20km out of the city with one highway in. Ah, what could have been...
>t. Been there
My family currently hosts at a small talk-party four Belarussians (persecuted, found job at university here in Poland), great people, were invited yesterday with popcorn so we could together watch some muscovite urban warcare, instead their countrymen's situation has potential to get a lot worse... so tis a bit of a blueballs party now xD
>>t.wishes to revisit Grodno once again
>My Name Is Luka I Live In The Second World
you bastard
>Putin's current gov vulnerability
If you're talking about how things are since the coup attempt, there's not much to say. The situation is largely stabilised. Ukraine can thank Prigozhin for knocking out a few helicopters for them, but that's it. Any chance the coup had to affect the front lines disappeared when Prigozhin made the deal.
There was talk of an operational pause. To be fair, those are common during offensives unless the enemy is literally collapsing.
I'd say that there will be more distrust between Wagner units and the regular army and that the pointlessness of the war will further sink in for the soldiers on the front and the civilians but the latter two seem utterly apathetic and unwilling to do anything.
There's also the Air Force which certainly got the short end of the stick in all of this. All those expensive choppers and jets that went down. They had to watch Prig and his goons got away with it, fricking hilarious.
I think the air force must be seriously demoralized at this point. There was a decent few hours where Wagner and Prigozhin were denounced as traitors attempting an insurrection, where were the fighters? We saw at most one truck get hit with a laser guided bomb, out of a convoy of hundreds.
and it was a civillian truck. the fact that several innocent people died is lost in all this
they also tried to bomb the highway...and missed
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672727525921808386
I saw a couple of photos of wagner soldiers piled into the back of regular looking civilian trucks, so from the video we have (not that one interestingly, so two bombs were dropped then, one missing) of a truck getting blown to shit it's likely they killed maybe 15 Wagner personnel.
>two bombs were dropped then, one missing
yes, there's a video of a pothole by the side of the road with no wreckage
classic RuAF, can't hit the fricking side of a barn
And there's another video of a bomb landing directly on a truck. They might be in different locations, I don't know.
I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of air assets are locked down only to be taken out for specific rocket lobbing missions due to maintenance issues and parts shortages. That any planes appeared and that they were completely ineffective the order was definitely a panic command from the top.
>where were the fighters
probably pissing their pants praying please Putin don't send me out because we saw that Wagner had something like half a dozen Pantsirs, a couple Strelas, and captured S-300s
Wagner even had S-400s in their column, and with the kind of pay they give, probably the best AA operators
But S-400 can't fire on the move.
they definitely leapfrogged their SAM cover
the point is that they had them
Anyone make a DBZ "I kneel" edit of Putin yet?
>transports
So how many squads got wiped on the way in?
Are these losses a mere nuisance or is the Russian air force starting to see serious reduction in capacities?
All those generals and colonels who lost pilots are going to be fuming in rage.
It was just a prank bro
It's surreal to me that only strelkov seems to understand (or perhaps he is the only one to vocalize it) how fricked Russia is
He's one of the few Russians I can actually respect despite how scummy he is because at least he seems honest unlike the constant Vatnik copium the rest of them huff non stop.
Usual vatnig chimpout, they've been doing it every other week in Dombabwe
>20 pilots
Is this the worst part? It sounds like the worst part.
Next ziggers will be telling you the Il-22 was shot down on purpose because Putin secretly knew it was bugged the whole time and relaying info to HATO