>cheaper than a colt >push to release cylinder is better than colt's pull to release >most innovative revolver manufacturer >more distinguished history and fame than ruger >many models from tiny pocket popper to xboxhueg magnums
I've got a Python and an SP101 but have always wanted a 360PD but didnt want to pay over a grand. The new ultra carry is highly tempting too
what is CHIM?
searched and got
"In the Elder Scrolls universe, CHIM is a state of being that allows for escape from all known laws and limitations, leading to a simultaneous comprehension of the full scope of existence as well as one's own individuality."
if thats what youre referring to, I dont want to sound hubristic, but, that is literally me
>>most innovative revolver manufacturer >innovative
I agree with everything you said except for this point. S&W hasn't been innovative since the 80's. Ruger& Kimber have pushed the envelope and tried way more new things with revolvers since then. Hell, even Tarus occasionally does some innovative things with their revolvers like factory equipped red dots. S&W basically adopted the iPhone model these days - new year same product; year after year after year
>they've done optic ready light bearing revolvers, the TRR8 >use of rare alloys like scandium and titanium >new cartridges, .500 S&W Mag, .460 S&W Mag >unusual configurations like those snubbies with 8 shot cylinders >suber imbortant savdee features such as a frame lock!!! XD fugg
I'm not a boomer and dont even own a Smith (yet) yet I can see why boomers love S&W, by the 21st century boomers were old enough to have their tastes locked in
even outside revolvers S&W is still innovating - by copying KelTec ideas.
If you've ever opened up a Ruger DA and seen how modular it is and how many parts perform 2 actions that would usually be done by 2 separate parts, they're really very impressive.
havent had occasion to take apart my sp101. Good to know cuz yeah seeing simple parts do multiple things is elegant as hell
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can give a couple examples:
The pawl spring tensions both the pawl and the trigger plunger. The plunger depresses and resets the cylinder latch.
Another is the cylinder release button, it releases the lock at the rear of the cylinder and at the front of the crane, the center pin pushes this spring tensioned plunger.
Modular: everything that's not the hammer and mainspring assembly are housed within the trigger guard.
Not a good trigger pull out of the box and not the best even when finely tuned, but they are very cool designs and very durable/strong.
3 months ago
Anonymous
my sp101 is a match champion edition, so hand polished internals. The single action is really light and crisp, better than my nuPython. The double action isnt as good, when pulling the trigger slowly you can tell when the various mechanisms start to do their thing. Its still fine, like you have to pull it intending to find the stacking points to notice at all.
Is there any reason why I should take it apart? Or should I just run it until something feels sub-optimal?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It depends on whether you want to do a trigger job.
The polishing is good, but shims help too and even on the match champions I recommend deburring/sanding the inside of the trigger return spring channel. Once that's done, see how it feels with a #9 mainspring and a #8 trigger return spring. If it still has problem areas(not smooth), then you get to more advanced work and extreme caution is needed.
The trigger plunger is really clicky when it allows the cylinder latch to snap up and ride the cylinder after the first 1/4 of the pull. It provides a notable resistance. I usually address that, but every Ruger is a little different and that's a fitted part. If you mess up the cylinder latch could snap up in the same bolt notch, locking up the action.
The next is about 2/3rds of the pull. This is usually a hammer dog fit issue where you feel an increase in resistance as it rides the top of the trigger sear. That would mean the hammer dog is a little too long. The cam angle at the bottom of the hammer dog is important to address too so if you decide to not let the hammer break when pulling and let it down easy, the hammer dog doesn't just rest frozen on top of the trigger sear.
SP101's can at least match the best factory stock Colt King Cobras. My DA pull is 7lbs and SA pull is 1.6lbs.
3 months ago
Anonymous
nice write up. ive got it saved for future reference. thanks
3 months ago
Anonymous
Another thing that could help with DA pull is smoothing out the edges and imperfections on the hammer spring strut, to minimize any "stickiness" from the spring wire not sliding smoothly over it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
nice write up. ive got it saved for future reference. thanks
Tagged the wrong post
3 months ago
Anonymous
Be carefull… theirs a few small parts that like to go flying if it’s anything like my super redhawk…
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's exactly like the SRH, all the same parts just smaller.
This I love smith's quality and trust them
But if they aren't copying something else
Ksg, judge, glock there just doing about the same thing occasionally in a diffrent caliber.
Here's to hoping they break the cycle by introducing the first ray gun, rail gun or plasma rifle straight to the civilian market
>more distinguished history and fame than a Ruger
I love that this is the only reason you could come up with to buy a Smith instead of Ruger because no one can knock Ruger's quality. Just get fricking Ruger. GP100 is hands down the best general purpose all-around revolver on the market, I have beat the hell out of mine and carried it regularly for like 5 years and it's never let me down.
i get how easy it would be to make that mistake, something gets put in the wrong cnc but i dont get how anyone assembling those parts or qa let that shit pass.
>qa let that shit pass
Maybe they didn't and a manager overruled them.
This is part of the clown world we live in now where junk gets shipped because it cost too much of productions' budget to have decent QA so they make customers act as their own QA and have to ship it back for repairs, but that's ok because repairs are a different budget. Never mind that it cost the company more as a whole to ship junk twice and an actually finished product once.
i hate modern revolvers so much, especially hammerless ones, they're all just a fricking gimick
either get an autoloader and stop larping, or get a single action like a man
My mom has a walther PP my late grandfather left her. I tried to explain the DA/SA with dewienerer thing to her and she really struggled. I recommended she keep a round chambered with the hammer down and the safety off, because the double action pull is heavy enough to be safe. She was very confused. I don't think she should have anything more complicated than a glock, and even then I feel that your picrel is the best option for her.
Hammerless revolvers are the best option for pocket carry. Small autos fricking suck to shoot, small revolvers are much better. I agree with your image though, new shooters would be much better served with a 3 or 4 inch revolver or an autoloader like a Glock 19. Snubs and pocket autos take a lot of practice to get decent with.
I've seen them struggle with it many times. They could just get an EZ or an Equalizer instead of a revolver but that anon has a point in that way more people buy guns and then never build any real familiarity with them than you'd think.
SIG made its first semi auto pistol in 1898 so they do have a 100+ year old "track record". and Glock didn't exist back then but other companies have been making
semi auto pistols for longer than 100 years such as Colt, CZ, FN, Walther, Mauser, etc.
If you’re buying ANY S&W revolver manufactured after 1997 when they switched to MIM parts you’re making a mistake. People like to poo poo on the internal lock (as they should) but the real straw that broke S&W’s back was moving away from forged internal parts in 1997. I personally will never buy a S&W manufactured after 1993. 1988 was the year where they changed the yoke retention system and 1988 to around 1993 were the last years where quality was still there.
yo what the FRICK
Because they're good and they work? Unlike you.
Dirty Harry, any boomer that tells you otherwise is a liar.
Whats the point of buying a revolver if you're not buying a vintage/antique piece?
literally the only two revolvers I actually want are a 30s-40s Model 10-5 and a US Army M1917
You're a felon and you get a conversion cylinder for a BP revolver.
>cheaper than a colt
>push to release cylinder is better than colt's pull to release
>most innovative revolver manufacturer
>more distinguished history and fame than ruger
>many models from tiny pocket popper to xboxhueg magnums
I've got a Python and an SP101 but have always wanted a 360PD but didnt want to pay over a grand. The new ultra carry is highly tempting too
Python's are only for people that have achieved CHIM tough
what is CHIM?
searched and got
"In the Elder Scrolls universe, CHIM is a state of being that allows for escape from all known laws and limitations, leading to a simultaneous comprehension of the full scope of existence as well as one's own individuality."
if thats what youre referring to, I dont want to sound hubristic, but, that is literally me
CHIM is realizing that you are just bits in a game and going "frick that noise, I am real" getting cheat codes in the process.
>>most innovative revolver manufacturer
>innovative
I agree with everything you said except for this point. S&W hasn't been innovative since the 80's. Ruger& Kimber have pushed the envelope and tried way more new things with revolvers since then. Hell, even Tarus occasionally does some innovative things with their revolvers like factory equipped red dots. S&W basically adopted the iPhone model these days - new year same product; year after year after year
>they've done optic ready light bearing revolvers, the TRR8
>use of rare alloys like scandium and titanium
>new cartridges, .500 S&W Mag, .460 S&W Mag
>unusual configurations like those snubbies with 8 shot cylinders
>suber imbortant savdee features such as a frame lock!!! XD fugg
I'm not a boomer and dont even own a Smith (yet) yet I can see why boomers love S&W, by the 21st century boomers were old enough to have their tastes locked in
even outside revolvers S&W is still innovating - by copying KelTec ideas.
If you've ever opened up a Ruger DA and seen how modular it is and how many parts perform 2 actions that would usually be done by 2 separate parts, they're really very impressive.
havent had occasion to take apart my sp101. Good to know cuz yeah seeing simple parts do multiple things is elegant as hell
I can give a couple examples:
The pawl spring tensions both the pawl and the trigger plunger. The plunger depresses and resets the cylinder latch.
Another is the cylinder release button, it releases the lock at the rear of the cylinder and at the front of the crane, the center pin pushes this spring tensioned plunger.
Modular: everything that's not the hammer and mainspring assembly are housed within the trigger guard.
Not a good trigger pull out of the box and not the best even when finely tuned, but they are very cool designs and very durable/strong.
my sp101 is a match champion edition, so hand polished internals. The single action is really light and crisp, better than my nuPython. The double action isnt as good, when pulling the trigger slowly you can tell when the various mechanisms start to do their thing. Its still fine, like you have to pull it intending to find the stacking points to notice at all.
Is there any reason why I should take it apart? Or should I just run it until something feels sub-optimal?
It depends on whether you want to do a trigger job.
The polishing is good, but shims help too and even on the match champions I recommend deburring/sanding the inside of the trigger return spring channel. Once that's done, see how it feels with a #9 mainspring and a #8 trigger return spring. If it still has problem areas(not smooth), then you get to more advanced work and extreme caution is needed.
The trigger plunger is really clicky when it allows the cylinder latch to snap up and ride the cylinder after the first 1/4 of the pull. It provides a notable resistance. I usually address that, but every Ruger is a little different and that's a fitted part. If you mess up the cylinder latch could snap up in the same bolt notch, locking up the action.
The next is about 2/3rds of the pull. This is usually a hammer dog fit issue where you feel an increase in resistance as it rides the top of the trigger sear. That would mean the hammer dog is a little too long. The cam angle at the bottom of the hammer dog is important to address too so if you decide to not let the hammer break when pulling and let it down easy, the hammer dog doesn't just rest frozen on top of the trigger sear.
SP101's can at least match the best factory stock Colt King Cobras. My DA pull is 7lbs and SA pull is 1.6lbs.
nice write up. ive got it saved for future reference. thanks
Another thing that could help with DA pull is smoothing out the edges and imperfections on the hammer spring strut, to minimize any "stickiness" from the spring wire not sliding smoothly over it.
Tagged the wrong post
Be carefull… theirs a few small parts that like to go flying if it’s anything like my super redhawk…
It's exactly like the SRH, all the same parts just smaller.
The ultra light scandium guns are kinda iffy but whatever alloy mix they used for the R8 is fantastic.
This I love smith's quality and trust them
But if they aren't copying something else
Ksg, judge, glock there just doing about the same thing occasionally in a diffrent caliber.
Here's to hoping they break the cycle by introducing the first ray gun, rail gun or plasma rifle straight to the civilian market
>more distinguished history and fame than a Ruger
I love that this is the only reason you could come up with to buy a Smith instead of Ruger because no one can knock Ruger's quality. Just get fricking Ruger. GP100 is hands down the best general purpose all-around revolver on the market, I have beat the hell out of mine and carried it regularly for like 5 years and it's never let me down.
>Most innovative revolver manufacturer
Only innovation they do is cucking their customers with the Hillary hole, no such problem for Ruger chads
>most innovative revolver manufacturer
Their revolver design hasn't changed since 1903 except to use cheaper materials and cut corners
>30s-40s Model 10-5
tell me you don't know anything about S&W revolvers without telling me.
in the 90's both S&W and Colt had a race to the bottom and S&W revolvers survived. they're still quite shitty. cast parts and rough machining.
Design continuity of reliable, classic revolvers. Until at least.
they drilled 6 holes in a 7 shot indexed cylinder?
This. That fluting job is all kinds of fricked up.
i get how easy it would be to make that mistake, something gets put in the wrong cnc but i dont get how anyone assembling those parts or qa let that shit pass.
>qa let that shit pass
Maybe they didn't and a manager overruled them.
This is part of the clown world we live in now where junk gets shipped because it cost too much of productions' budget to have decent QA so they make customers act as their own QA and have to ship it back for repairs, but that's ok because repairs are a different budget. Never mind that it cost the company more as a whole to ship junk twice and an actually finished product once.
i hate modern revolvers so much, especially hammerless ones, they're all just a fricking gimick
either get an autoloader and stop larping, or get a single action like a man
My mom has a walther PP my late grandfather left her. I tried to explain the DA/SA with dewienerer thing to her and she really struggled. I recommended she keep a round chambered with the hammer down and the safety off, because the double action pull is heavy enough to be safe. She was very confused. I don't think she should have anything more complicated than a glock, and even then I feel that your picrel is the best option for her.
Hammerless revolvers are the best option for pocket carry. Small autos fricking suck to shoot, small revolvers are much better. I agree with your image though, new shooters would be much better served with a 3 or 4 inch revolver or an autoloader like a Glock 19. Snubs and pocket autos take a lot of practice to get decent with.
Women can't actuate a slide in a semi auto. Boomers are unironically right in directing them to snub nose revolvers.
Its the difference between incel's on /k/ who have zero contact with women and people who actually interact with women and teach them to shoot.
I've been to the range with plenty of first time shooter women. None have had a problem racking the slide.
did any of these women's weigh less than you?
All of them did besides when i took your mother that one time.
I've seen them struggle with it many times. They could just get an EZ or an Equalizer instead of a revolver but that anon has a point in that way more people buy guns and then never build any real familiarity with them than you'd think.
You have 7 seconds to list 17 good raisins why this wouldn't work.
which way white man?
>a ready to use firearm or a 300lb brass tube
>b-but you have to pay to make an expensive carriage!
this is why you will NEVER be a woman
>youtube comment tier discourse
you are silly and I have clearly won
dont act like that makes the cannon a worse choice
TALLY HO, LADS
S&W X-frames are ready for their 2000 rounds of factory ammo lifespan.
I owe Far Cry 2 an apology.
Kek. But still, frick that game.
I miss the multiplayer though.
To be fair that’s about 1980 rounds more than the average dude who buys a “500 magnum” is gonna shoot through it.
because as wonderful as ruger revolvers are, they are kinda ugly
NuSumith?
I have no idea
I like old Smith, at sub $400, $500 I think theyre a great value
Still better than Olt
whats wrong with them?
t. 686-3
my dad is friends with the wessons
he says theyre cool and they have a shooting range in their back yard
They need to really innovate
What's wrong with a revolver?
Unlike a striker fire gun, I don't have to do any malfunction drills, I simply pull the trigger again to make it go bang.
Smith and Wesson has a track record of over 100 years making revolvers, you can't say that for a Sig or Glock.
SIG made its first semi auto pistol in 1898 so they do have a 100+ year old "track record". and Glock didn't exist back then but other companies have been making
semi auto pistols for longer than 100 years such as Colt, CZ, FN, Walther, Mauser, etc.
If you’re buying ANY S&W revolver manufactured after 1997 when they switched to MIM parts you’re making a mistake. People like to poo poo on the internal lock (as they should) but the real straw that broke S&W’s back was moving away from forged internal parts in 1997. I personally will never buy a S&W manufactured after 1993. 1988 was the year where they changed the yoke retention system and 1988 to around 1993 were the last years where quality was still there.
>when both of the programs are named O686
how is that even possible?
I thought they used cnc?
The wrong program running ?
Dan Wesson is the only answer for revolvers. Too bad CZ are homosexuals and made them discontinue revolvers when CZ bought Colt.
Is that why they did? Fricking bastards.
I hunt Grouse with my Governor. I actually went to buy the Taurus but holding both it was worth the extra $100. I could actually see Taurus weirdness.
based I hunt groundhogs and squirrels with my 2" lcrx (wadcutters and snake shot) mad fun.
Sounds like a challenge. Often thought about hunting with a Ruger Single Six.