i went on a 2 day trip this weekend and both nights i could NOT fricking sleep for hours. it took me literally 3-4 hours to finally fall asleep. it wasnt the cold or any noise keeping me up.
please discuss what works for you to get a good night's sleep while PrepHole. doesnt have to just be gear either, other tips and tricks are more than welcome
right now im only working with a foam sleeping bad and a sleeping back. i was hoping not to buy one of those inflating mats but i dont want to not sleep every time i go outside
I have a regular size sleeping pad, inflatable, but just by itself its kinda rotten. so i put my thermarest foam pad on top and its actually supreme comfy. its like about an extra pound, but worth it if you get sleep
do these pads make a lot of difference compared to just a foam mat/roll on the ground? im looking at one right now about the pull the trigger, i just want to see if it's me being a pussy or if it's something i should really get as i go and do this a lot more often
I just went backpacking in Montana, and yes, for comfortability its 1000% better. If you can live without the weight and get a good sleep on a Z-lite, sure, whatever. But I'm not 20yo anymore, frick that
Yes, it makes a huge difference
>t 52 yo guy
its well worth it to put some foam underneath if you use an inflatable pad. the big downside to them is you have to be careful where you set up and careful of punctures, but some foam underneath can reduce the risk significantly. also when you use 2 pads like that you can add the r values together.
they can usually be repaired but having no sleeping pad in the field can be bad.
or like other anon said, comfy as frick to throw it on top too.
https://www.gossamergear.com/products/thinlight-foam-pad?variant=40134759612470
these are the thinnest ones, double as a sit pad, partial sun shade, many other things. only .5 r value though.
out of stock but you can buy the same foam from a local supplier for about the same cost.
https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-pads/fast-and-light/z-lite-sol-sleeping-pad/z-lite-sol.html
and these style (there's many similar types) are nice for adding to your inflatable to boost the r value of your pad when its cold out.
>the thin pad you linked
How is this different than a yoga mat from 5below (a 5-dollar store) - which I have taken PrepHole before, its essentially the same concept. Its a closed cell foam pad, but much much cheaper. I can't imagine the R-value would really be that different - it looks like the same material.
I enjoy my sleeping set up.
what do i search to find one of these????
see
i bought the big agnes
That was going to be my follow-up. I'm a habitable side sleeper, and the inflatable folds up much smaller.
It might just be the air cooling and the volume decreasing. If you're inflating right when you get to camp, try topping off just before bed.
Really? I like mine for back coverage without the UQ and being able to sit in the hammock without having the net unzipped.
>It might just be the air cooling and the volume decreasing
huh that actually makes complete sense
I have a pad exactly like the Big Agnus, where the air cells go vertically down the whole pad and not horizontally.
It 'cups' a little weird when I try sleeping on my side. But its great if you are in a mummy bag on your back.
I put a thermarest z-lite on top of the air mattress to prevent it from curling if I'm side-sleeping in cooler weather. Honestly it's such a good combo
I have a wide big agnes rapide sl, it's very comfy and thicc
I too could use one of these if I was shorter than five feet tall
Lol why are you so proud of this uncomfortable looking piece of shit?
I wonder the same. It's unique, that is something, i guess.
>"NO! you CANT ENJOY something!!"
>pic related
Very carefully. More room than a bivvy
I’m not sure what to make of this, and I’ve seen it posted half a dozen times. How can a grown man fit under this tarp?
Try a 1&1/2” thick thermorest or whatever brand. I sleep like the dead and I’m 52
My set up includes a mattress you can set up if you desire !
> I sleep like the dead and I’m 52
that's the thing.
you're not a basedboy snowflake pussy.
I'm 46 and all I need in the summer is bundeswehr sleeping pad and my woobie.
I can't imagine not being able to fall asleep when out. I'm either tired from all the exercise and fun or drunk.
I mean look at this board. in the next thread guy is crying about being ashamed of walking around with binoculars.
QUICK!
WHICH DO I GET!
https://www.evo.com/sleeping-pads/big-agnes-insulated-air-core-ultra-pad?image=173434/711132/big-agnes-insulated-air-core-ultra-sleeping-pad-.jpg
vs.
https://www.rei.com/product/148193/rei-co-op-camp-bed-self-inflating-sleeping-pad?sku=1481930001&store=208&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_1481930001%7C92700058180278526%7CPB%7C71700000074512474&gclsrc=ds&gclsrc=ds
Your second on there is a self-inflating pad, it uses a type of foam as the insulation and it will naturally loft when you leave the valve open. Not really comparable to a fully inflatable pad. Selfs are normally heavier, thinner, but survive partial failure better and often higher R value per dollar due to the foam. Id choose an inflatable, bring a patch kit, and a thin foam mat as protection and backup.
Thread related. Sleeping is a no-comprimise trail activity. Relatively speaking, a few hundred dollars on sleep gear is a cheap motel; easily worth it if you're going out and deals to be had if you can wait.
yeah my question was mainly inflatable pad vs self inflating. i know self inflating is heavier (in this case its about 1.5 lbs vs. 3 lbs). what do you think is worth it?
Can't imagine sleeping on the ground when you can just... not.
This is the answer but with a shit example because it’s a fat woman and she’s hanging it too high. There’s a long pros and cons list versus a tent, but OP asked about comfort, and hammocks are maximum comfy.
>only for manlets
Oh, so you’re an average height guy who bought a cheap hammock from Amazon and were shocked it was made to Chink standards. Many such cases. I’m a 6’ 1” lanklet and fit well in an actual hammock but my feet hang off the end of anything shorter than 10’.
>only for back sleeping
Dumb and has been addressed thousands of times. You must be new.
>”hammock tent”
Is this a British thing? It’s a hammock and a tarp, not a “tent.” Tents go on the ground. We don’t need to redefine the term or apply it where it doesn’t fit.
>>”hammock tent”
>Is this a British thing?
His pic rel was a Haven hammock tent.
That’s what Haven calls it
>external bug net
I made it exactly one night with one of these. They are just miserable.
I don’t have any issues with mine. Most have a really shitty design. They’re often too small, which result in the net being pulled tightly against the underquilt or sides of the hammock. And the vertical zipper design (which is pretty popular, I’m guessing because it’s cheap) is pretty terrible.
This style has a necessary when it’s too warm for an underquilt. This particular model (made by Wilderness Logics, which is no longer around) is fairly large, and has a really long and wide opening. I can unzip it and lounge sideways with the net in place and it doesn’t get in the way like a vertical zipper does.
>Most have a really shitty design. They’re often too small, which result in the net being pulled tightly against the underquilt or sides of the hammock.
Yeah that was part of it, especially when you want to hang diagonal. The real problem was that having more air volume trapped in the netting reduces air circulation in that volume, which traps more humidity than integrated bug netting. Huge problem for the environments I camp in, since 80%+ humidity is the norm in the early mornings. per
I really like the hennessy 4 season zip. The bottom is double layered with openings so that you can add your own insulation, use yours, use an underquilt, use extra clothing layers as a psuedo-underquilt, or whatever. You sacrifice grams for flexibility but that's pretty much always the game and being able to sleep in comfort consistently can make up for most other hardships.
I love mine, wouldn't trade it for an integrated one.
>can sit in the hammock with your legs outside
>can roll up the hammock and sit on the ground to prepare food or whatever
>square tarp
opinion disregarded
they cause scoliosis if you backpack a lot, they suck on the west coast, and you can't use them above the treeline most of the time.
only good for infrequent use in the right regions. there's a reason the hammock trend died.
>causes scoliosis
First I heard of this, so I’m guessing you just pulled it out of your stretched out butthole. Then I found this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4340998/
“Sleeping in a hammock was inversely associated with scoliosis.” Ie, you’re more likely to have scoliosis from sleeping in a bed than a hammock.
>the trend died
lol
LMAO!
Lmao why are anti-hammock shills always so moronic
I think it’s because they’re larpers, like, legitimately children who don’t go outside. Also /k/ommandos who wondered over here because they’re bored. Same thing, I guess.
No one starts off with a hammock. We all start with a tent, then weigh the pros and cons, and decide on which one will work better for us. It’s why hammock users say a hammock is better; it’s their personal choice, and in their experience (not just shit they read online), it works better.
Anyone who’s done a fair amount of hiking (with any type of shelter) will fundamentally understand why hammocks are viable and even excel in some regards. They’ll also know the drawbacks and failures. People who haven’t done much outdoors will come up with ridiculous, goofy shit, like “it causes scoliosis” or “you have to find trees that are perfectly spaced apart.”
>you can't use them above the treeline most of the time.
101% rekt
didn't know it was possible
I guarantee you this was taken to harvest likes on insta and nobody even tried to get into that hammock. It might hold a water bottle or 2.
Nah, it works. Anchoring the thing adequately might be a pain in the ass and you get mediocre/shitty tarp clearance but it can be done.
Show the same setup with a person in it. That's right, you can't 🙂
>:-)
Didn't think so :^)
Will not hold up.
I tried to search for pics with someone it it, couldn't find any.
DD makes a portable stand, though I’m sure it’s quite heavy.
thats not holding up to heavy winds, also looks like that thing has you rolled up like a banana lmbo
I see you have never set up a tarp tent in heavy winds. Stones are your friends if that's the problem.
Also, what is diagonal sleeping?
>camping in a hammock so homeless tweakers can just stab upwards and loot your body
>camping so close to the trailhead you have to worry about hobos
Find the nohiking homosexual
ok bro it's not the hobos but anyway... *stabs upwards into you*
Dude, that's not funny at all. *stabs into your spine regardless*
I thought a yoga mat under my sleeping bag would be good enough and it was absolutely brutal. Rookie mistake, I know.
do sleeping pads usually deflate slowly through the night or is mine just fricked?
Is it flat by morning or just a little more give
just a bit more give, but enough to make my pelvis (i sleep sideways) poke onto the cold yucky ground
nemo tensor insulated pad. as a side sleeper it's comfy as frick and very warm.
for pillows i use a cheap trekology inflatable with a thermarest expanding foam pillow on top. both are luxury items and might seem excessive, but they give me a great nights sleep which is more important than a few grams of extra weight.
Hammock tents are superior for good sleep, especially lay flats picrel. If you don't want to change set ups you could add a compact back packing cot and a foam pad instead of inflatable
>Hammock tents are superior for good sleep
Only if you are a manlet and aren't a side sleeper.
Back sleeping is the way you are supposed to sleep
bro I'm 1,90 m and love the haven xl, side sleeping works good too.
Hmm, maybe i should revisit that topic some day.
These are meant as guest beds in homes, they offer almost no insulation. Also heavy. Might work in the summer, but not year round. I wouldn't buy it for camping.
>almost no insulation
How so? Because of the cold air?
>”lay flat”
>doesn’t actually lay flat
Lol these are such a dumb heavy meme
>work your ass off all day to get exhausted
>bring phone for podcasts and mindless background noise
>good pad & warm enough sleeping bag
>do it a bunch so that you get used to it
>work your ass off all day to get exhausted
>bring phone for podcasts and mindless background noise
I thought this was a joke at first.
don't care tbh. useless post.
>desu
>useless post
Indeed.
gjge smugposter
The best thing I found on the ground was a foam mat OVER an inflatable. Spreads the pressure much better and you don't have to worry about the r value of the inflatable pad, you can just pick the lightest.
But yeah, after I took the hammock pill I never looked back. If you don't go to places with no trees, this is the most comfortable, and possibly more importantly, most consistent sleep you can get outdoors. Once you have your hammock and ridgeline tuned to your liking, it will always feel the same no matter where you hang it.
Also you may think it's not noise but your brain could be staying up trying to process all the unknown little sounds coming in from around you, I'd try sleeping one night with earplugs to see if there's an improvement.
Rethink your sleeping style. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119282/#!po=57.6923
Oh shit, I missed this guy. This non knows what the frick is up. That article is what made me start sleeping on the floor years ago. Lying in a bed feels disgusting after becoming acclimated to sleeping on the floor; you can actually feel your body being contorted into weird and unnatural positions.
I tried that scrunched style a few times since you last posted it but I couldn’t quite get it to work unfortunately. I don’t think my hips are flexible enough to get comfy. If you’re committed you could probably get there eventually.
Try white noise playing on your phone.
Drinking a 750ml of whiskey by the campfire and then crawling to my tent and passing out usually works for me.
here's your (You)
Do you even pour it into a coffee mug beforehand?
what time is breakfast
>it wasnt the cold or any noise keeping me up
You sure? I've been wearing ear plugs and warming myself up before bed and have slept like a baby last few times
I'm a skinny 6' (182cm) dude, would a women's long sleeping bag fit me? The length seems fine but apparently they're shaped differently. Any experience?
Women's are supposed to be wider around the hips area, so if you're skinny, that will leave a lot more room around the waist which would be a BAD thing
Whiskey
Who uses a cot? I find pads to be a pain. If I'm hiking in then sure but otherwise.
Heard cots are better except cold air get sap your heat when it sits underneath
you reminded me I have a cot I never ever use. I think I'll take it out this weekend
they're heavy and useless.
I am planning to buy one of these but I never slept on it. Are they comfy? What are pros and cons?
This is likely quite heavy. There are gear companies like Big Agnes and Exped that make thick pads intended for camping. Also,
>These are meant as guest beds in homes, they offer almost no insulation.
I've used these as guest beds and they have literally no insulation. The purpose of a pad is to insulate your body from the cold ground.
Stop sleeping in a bed when you're at home. If laying down on soft dirt doesn't feel comfortable to you then you've fricked your body up and need to fix it.
1st night out, especially after a while of not going out, is always hard. Your body is used to your bed at home, and your mind is used to familiar sensory input. Falling asleep is half about putting your mind to rest, so anything new will distract your normal routines. Once you get into the habit of sleeping outdoors, it's not a problem to fall asleep, but getting into that habit can be hard. You might need to pay extra close attention to the things that are making you uncomfortable.
>bed at home is thick and squishy, but camping mat is thin
Get a thicker pad, like an Exped or Big Agnes inflatable.
>have to constantly adjust pillow
Get a different pillow. Inflatable camping pillows are available and tie down to your pad to keep them from moving.
>light from the Moon is too bright or sound of bugs is too loud (or, in winter, lack of any noise is too quiet)
Use an eye mask and/or earplugs or some piece of cloth to wrap around your eyes and ears as you sleep.
>too warm
Keep in mind that even a "40 degree" sleeping bag is likely quite a bit warmer than your comforter at home. Bring a sleeping bag liner or synthetic sheet in order to better regulate temp while protecting from drafts
>start out too warm, then become too cold
This one is more of a technique thing. Common problem while camping. Many strategies while camping to deal with this, like boiling water and putting a hot nalgene bottle into the feet of your sleeping bag. My personal go-to is to change into fresh clothes (no sweat or moisture from hiking), let my body cool down as much as possible by laying still, then wrapping myself in my sleeping bag and falling asleep before I notice myself getting too hot.
I normally use a Klymit air mat or a Thermarest roll and whatever pieces of the MSS I think I need for the time of year. I avoid sleeping a lot the night before going out, and I make sure to stay active during the day to wear myself out, then I sleep like a rock. Whiskey also helps.
Hike hard. And I always do a good long stretch before I sleep. Helps with tossing and turning. I prefer to base camp hike around or keep my distances short to about 8-10 miles so I don't mind a little extra weight. https://klymit.com/products/insulated-static-v-luxe-sl-camping-sleeping-pad
This pad is by far the most comfortable sleeping pad I've ever bought, and perfect if you're a side sleeper so your hips don't touch the ground. But at almost 2 pounds it's a whopper. Still. Best sleep on the trail I've ever gotten is on this pad.
Also importantly. I don't know about you, but most guys have broader shoulders than "regular" I'm 22 inches shoulder to shoulder. Most pads at like 20 inches like a neoair xlites or nemo tensor are physically just not wide enough. A wide pad at 25 inches just barely feels comfortable. This pad at 27 inches wide feels reeal comfy and gives me a bit of tossing and turning room which is a godsend.
Oh, and a pillow that actually feels like a pillow is a must. That's just my 2 cents.
I'm a huge man anon and I got the big Agnes wide pad with diamond park sleeping bag. Built for wide guys the pad is like 30"? Extremely comfy but expensive. However I had a pro deal with them so I got half off but man it makes me excited to bed down/jerk off for the night now.
There's nothing like a good old back country meat beat.
It's still so insane to me how camping gear is so expensive (luxury markup). 160$ for an inflatable plastic pad.
Just buy a $10 yoga mat and stick it to the man.
Checked. But is it good enough for the cold weather? I mean, does yoga pad actually work better than this
?
Lol. Dude he's fricking with you. You'll have a real shit time on a yoga pad. Just wait for a good sale, you'll get one for like 90. Same with most the big brands like big Agnes and Nemo. The price isn't unwarranted with these pads. Making them somehow insulated enough down to 10° Fahrenheit, while relatively durable, able to pack down to a transportable size, and somehow less than a kilo is some modern wizardry for sure. This is one of those "buy once cry once" situations. You can get buy with cheaper trekking poles, budget clothing, knick knacks here and there. But you really shouldn't skimp on your sleep or your shelter.
Thank you guys, I am going with foam then. I am going to sleep mostly on the flat cold concrete in ze prypiat for the next few weeks so I guess it should be enough. Will send some photos once I arrive.
Black person. Go to an outfitter and physically try some pads. Do some legwork and use that brain. Most the comments in here are from people who don't actually go out anyways. I like what I got, will you? Who knows. Go physically try them.
>Black person
>homie
>muh homie
Very slick.
For example.
https://a.co/d/2hRHs2P
Here's your ~$10 yoga mat. It's heavier, bulkier, less durable, incredibly uncomfortable to sleep on, and only insulated enough to really keep you warm down to like 55 fahrenheit max. You want to skimp and get something in your budget?
https://a.co/d/4uO0TGv
I have personally bought a couple of these pads. They're not as comfortable as those big brands, and they're pretty heavy at 3.4 pounds without the pillow. But the ones I've had are durable, sufficiently comfortable to sleep on, good insulation down to about 32-35 and packable enough to carry around. Not ideal, not great for hiking long distances. But a hell of a lot better than a yoga mat.
Unlike the other homosexual suggests, i'm not fricking with you.
Sleeping pads insulate you from the ground.
They have heat resistance, measured in R.
The higher the R value, the deeper the ground temperature can be without it getting uncomfy.
That guest bed has an R value of maybe 0.2, only good inside or in very warm summer nights. Also heavy and bulky.
A foam mat (forget yoga mat, those are made of heavy foam) has a R value of 1 to 2, good enough for summer, late autumn and early fall.
A good self inflating mat, like a Thermarest Prolite Plus or inflateable mat like the Thermarest Neoair Xlite has a R value of 3 to 4, that's good for winter, but not the arctic kind.
There are mats like the Thermarest Xtherm that have a R value at around 6, which is fine to sleep directly on arctic permafrost in winter.
You can combine mats, say a surplus foam mat (2) and a Prolite Plus (4) to get 6.
I recommend to get a foam mat if you are low on cash:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Stansport-Packlite-Foam-Sleeping-Pad-Blue-19-x-72/9856753?athcpid=9856753&athpgid=AthenaItempage&athcgid=null&athznid=si&athieid=v0&athstid=CS004&athguid=0KUIyd_SA-YBIVsTE-qz8MGntMw1NFoUwYj1&athancid=null&athena=true
If you like the hobby, upgrade to a Prolite Plus or Neoair Xlite, depending on cash, for more warmth, less bulk and better comfort.
Yeah, let's strike yoga mat and insert foam mat.
They usually weigh around 400g, are bulky, are durable (a hole doesn't matter) and comfortable enough.
>https://a.co/d/4uO0TGv
Thats a shit mat. Either buy a cheap foam mat or buy a proper brand mat.
hammocks are cool and all but if you live on the west coast you pretty much either need to be a giga sperg about it or already have another ground sleep system and only use the hammock sometimes. not viable for a lot of the environments here as a primary imo.
>Tent
>Double sleeping pad
>2x pillows
>2x 3season sleeping bags
6.5kg is this bad?
Do you like your knees? You're gonna have to cut weight or cut distance. Something always gives, the goal ideally it being not your joints.
I like my knees, they're pretty great.
But is this really that bad for a two person set up? I mainly got this for bikepacking/motorcycle touring, and the biggest weight here are the two sleeping bags (1.3kg each) just because I didn't feel like spending a shit ton on ultralight down sleeping bags.
Two person? Ah, nah, kinda weighty but not too terrible. Sounded like you were just gonna lug a cabin around for shits and giggles.
A hammock. A properly set up big ass fricking expensive hammock.
you will not get quality sleep with a standard foam pad if you're not used to it imo. I started using an exped synmat 7M and it made a massive difference for my sleep, i recommend synthetic down for sleeping pads because if it gets wet it dosent hurt the R value.
Using a pump bag is way better than the integrated pumps exped uses though imo. Dont blow one up with your lungs, mold + mildew will grow inside and you will wind yourself hard especially after backpacking for many hours.
Self inflating pads are pretty stupid to use because of the extra bulk and weight when using a pump bag or even an integrated pump takes max 1 minute imo.
Here is a z-lite knockoff for half the price that some other anon posted in another thread if you still want a foam one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2255800507186687.html
>exped synmat 7M
Are these in the max $40 range?
oh wait seems like the exped synmat pads have been discontinued but replaced by versa mats at a similar price.
I think you would struggle to find an inflatable mat at that range, you might be able to combine a non insulated air mat for pools or whatever and an insulated foam pad but it will be bulky and most likely heavy + no pump bag.
Check aliexpress maybe, the Norwegian company urberg sells rebranded chink inflatable pads (but terrible integrity it seems) for 40usd so check companies similar to this in the country where you live too. https://www.fjellsport.no/turutstyr/soveposer/liggeunderlag/urberg-insulated-airmat-vertical-channels-rio-red (dont know if they ship internationally)
Wear a light fleece hat, socks and get an inflatable pillow, also silicone swimmer ear plugs. An air mattress helps alleviate side sleeping pressure points.
>silicone swimmer ear plugs
I use the yellow foam ones. Any difference with silicone?
>inflatable pillow
Make sure it has a fabric layer for better sleep