>Sir, I have 5 special Commando units awaiting your orders, sir.
What do you do, /k/ommando? How do you win the Battle of Geonosis?
>Sir, I have 5 special Commando units awaiting your orders, sir.
>Sir, I have 5 special Commando units awaiting your orders, sir.
What do you do, /k/ommando? How do you win the Battle of Geonosis?
focus your fire on escaping droid control ships, Geonosis can wait, the separatist leadership must be cut off here and now
>Lucifer sides with The Republic
Confederacy is righteous in Star Wars as IRL
literally a sith proxy war
If the Sepratist side somehow won, Papatine would never be able reign them in. Ideologically, the CIS was a bulwark to centralization. Also they objectively had the better army and navy.
>Confederacy is righteous in Star Wars
Ultimately yes and were it not for the sith controlling them they would have won too.
Classic republic spook exploits.
How are 20 guys with rifles are supposed to take down a droid control ship?
depends on where they're inserted, like the global defense coordination complex
Guide in LAAT gun and rocket runs, use AT weapons to clear up enemy armor allowing more AT-TEs to fire on the control ships, assassinate droid commanders on the field. Things like that anon
>he doesn't know about the exploits of Delta Squad
NGMI
Actually, it only took 4
>Republic Commando
>FULL FRONTAL ATTACK ON AN OPEN PLANE. IM A JEDI AND I AM SMART
Use our surprise forces in space to rain down hell on the escaping separatist instead of a costly and inefficient assault that ends up helping the separatist cause
>Use our surprise forces in space to rain down hell on the escaping separatist
All they had where those large drop ships at this point anon, it was QRF not an entire army with fleet support
sorry expendable fodder but it doesn't matter if we win this because Sheev is the boss of boths sides anyway, lets just go to that casino planet instead
Clone commandos are elite units trained for infiltration.During Genosis the Jedi send many of them to the frontlines together with the normal clones.So they wasted entire squads of them.Which was bad since they weren't actually expendable.
No one told the Jedi what they could do, they just saw them as slightly more proficient clone guys we can't tell apart
Order an immediate orbital bombardment of Count Dooku's hangar.
The fact these idiots managed to let him get away is mind-boggling.
I would assume Palpatine intervened in some way to make sure there wasn't orbital bombardment support for the Republic forces.
Sorry, it's now canon that orbital bombardment is about as strong as a bunch of firecrackers. Thanks, Disney.
>Sorry, it's now canon that orbital bombardment is about as strong as a bunch of firecrackers.
The original movies fall apart if that isnt true, so do the prequels, so does half of the EU.
Sorry, Star wars falls apart with nukes being common.
In Karen Traviss’ books (lol, lmao) the commandos were salty about how many of their guys got clapped being used like regular line infantry during Geonosis. Sounds realistic these days…
>lol, lmao
they're very good mil sci-fi tho
>the commandos were salty
always remember, unreliable narrator
99% of the fandom salt could've been avoided if they just remembered that Traviss was writing from the POV of the Jedis' other arch-enemy besides SIth, of course they were gonna talk shit about the Jedi
instead Black folk like Dave Filoni took the bait hook line and sinker and forevermore Star Wars is twisted into the "from my point of view the Jedi are evil!" monstrosity that was really only cope by a salty Mando
>She was just pretending to be moronic
Karen Traviss is like an STD that different sci fi franchises give each other.
In fairness the first Republic Commando book was okay. Only ever read that series and her part of the Legacy of the Force series where she shoe horned in her mando wank plot out of nowhere in the 3 out of 9 books in that series she wrote.
Hard Contact is perfection
Triple Zero is okay too
Frick you, the entire Gears Of War series is superb
>Triple Zero is ok
All she had to do was copy M-Bay's The Rock and have Skirata and his crack mutant clone squads turn rogue in a hostage crisis scenario and it would have been perfect.
The initial chapters pretty much set that up. For fricks sake, even his official damn art is based off Ed Harris. But nooo. What I had to force myself to read through was hundreds of pages of soap opera tier melodrama and mando wanking, and it's not even fun.
I read one of her Halo novels, it was okay. The one set a bit after the war with the ONI spooks
The Order had no qualifications to be commanding military formations and having a very rough learning curve (on top of interservice rivalries) outside of leading small commando teams was a reasonable inference.
Yes but at the same time they were the only ones qualified. Remember the republic hadn’t had a military in centuries.
Idk about you but I wouldn’t just be handing the keys to my shiny new army over to some planetary militia leader or a police commissioner
Also it goes without mention but them leading it was all part of the plan from the start
that was really the least of the controversies...
sigh
yep
those are terrible
her Gears novels are excellent
what would be the point? it's nearly a direct port of AOE
>what would be the point? it's nearly a direct port of AOE
Fans of AOE like the minutiae, the little bonuses different factions get, how many of X Troop it takes to kill Y troop, etc.
>they're very good mil sci-fi tho
eh
while it is true that traviss actually has more connection to the military than most modern writers, she's still shit
She has a constant boner for "muh hard military men and women making hard decisions"
remember that when she got her hands on halo she wrote the space glowies as the good guys, and portrayed them doing stuff like "planning to destroy the entire sangheili food supply" as a good thing, along with jerking off Parangosky while shitting on halsey
this is on top of her disregard for settings (FTL communications didn't exist in halo until she hand waved it in becuase she didn't know the setting)
but of course her biggest problem is her massive rampant daddy issues
which is why every one of her books has a gruff older military man who she very clearly falls in love with while writing
she writes better than 99% of mil writers though, that's the difference
definitely in a league with Frederick Forsyth, early Tom Clancy, and early Andy McNab
she may be rabidly pro-military but as far as I'm concerned that's a plus. and she writes military women well as well (far more ideally than they really are)
If you dont respect the franchise you're working inside, you're a vandal and should be purged, little better than a commie.
...I don't get it
elaborate please
Traviss comes into franchises to warp and change things to her liking. She once proudly admitted that she refuses to read anything anyone else writes about the franchises she works on, before or after her. So she works on vague, superficial knowledge of the universes she's been entrusted with, random shit off of Wikis and summaries. She's not here to write a star wars book or a halo book she's here to write a Traviss book in the Traviss universe based on a ten second glance she took at some still photos during her coffee break.
This leads to her saying shit like Spartans don't have super strength, or having mute characters talk at length.
>Traviss comes into franchises to warp and change things to her liking
The hilarious irony is that all she did was truly did was further the Boba Fett/Mandolarian fanboyism that existed long before her
true
maybe that's why she does well in her own franchise (GOW) and not in others
but she gave sorely-needed fresh perspective
you realise we owe nearly everything about Clone Wars to her? she was the one who came up with the idea of humanising the clones
management should have kept her on a shorter leash
>the idea of humanising the clones
bullshit. the boba fett fanboyism pre dates her. she may be the credit but if it wasn't her someone would of. the 'clones' are based off an already bizarrely loved character
>if it wasn't her someone would
speculation
>the boba fett fanboyism pre dates her
Boba Fett and the clones are two very different things
nope and nope
her first book is 2004. the template for the temera morrison jango, the retroactive boba, and the whole clone maori thing was laid out before her in 2002 arguably in the gamecube game bounty hunter but really all the media that existed around there. the thing that you credit her for is something she came to after and co opted
>Attack of the Clones is 2002 so Traviss didn't humanise clones!
Do you think "humanise" means "to depict as organic lifeform"?
Every single other portrayal in every bit of media up until Republic Commando regarded clones as nameless soldiers
It was only Traviss who bothered to ask "what are they thinking and feeling" and literally every sympathetic portrayal of clones begins after she was onboarded
>Every single other portrayal in every bit of media up until Republic Commando regarded clones as nameless soldiers
>Clones
>Clones
>Clones VS Droids
you dun fricked up the perception of something that was originally built into the design from the foundation and supposed to develop. You don't deserve George
Right. You are unable to comprehend emotional depth any deeper than "good guy vs bad guys".
It's okay. Enjoy the pretty flashing lights and the pew pew.
no its you who doesnt get it, that the clones would humanize, as opposed to their literal robot opposition was always a feature whether karen existed or not. nor did she create a unique identity for the clones but took over one that was already there. are you actually literate?
VS Droids
Now you're a clone
With heart of stone
Synthetic soul
Brainwashed and cold
You're just a drone
Got no control
Forced in a mold
Processed and sold
Not true. The Cestus Deception novel, which precedes the Republic Commando games/novels also humanized the clones and showed the process of one clone getting his name.
If anything it's pretty clear they were getting directives and orders from LFL. We know the writers were allowed to see the script or outline fr ROTS so they knew about the clones having names in ROTS. For example even by early 2004, they knew that Mace Windu would be trying to assassinate Palpatine with a bunch of Jedi and were setting it up in the comicbooks.
>but of course her biggest problem is her massive rampant daddy issues
>which is why every one of her books has a gruff older military man who she very clearly falls in love with while writing
HOT.
Wait, did I actually read and enjoy multiple books written by a woman as a child??
>autistic screeching
IIRC capital ship scale torpedo warheads are megaton yield weapons, and small enough that you could put one in a backpack. I'd give all five teams a warhead, and bury the factories underground. Commandos won't be able to destroy the control modules to the lucrehulks. Once the acclamators have offloaded the army, I rush them to intercept as many control ships as possible in atmosphere where their shields aren't up. The control modules aren't very heavily armed or armored, so crippling them to the point of falling back to the surface shouldn't be too difficult. That should knock out a huge proportion of the droid army early in the war, and It'll probably kill a bunch of high up CIS leadership.
>Once the acclamators have offloaded the army, I rush them to intercept as many control ships as possible in atmosphere where their shields aren't up
Vulture droids would probably frick them up anon
SPAAH with AA rockets
>muh megatons
>muh gigatons
Black person this battle involved two blocks of infantry marching parade style into fricking melee range. Your battle-boards VS debate noguns mind tricks don't work on /k/.
>no fun allowed
>unless it's my heckin based 40k moronation where the same thing happens in every battle
>no fun allowed
Oh I have lots of fun shattering the dreams of Warsie gaygoids who can only enjoy the series if it has "muh bigger number"
>unless it's my heckin based 40k
swing and a miss dumb Black person, I also like posting weapon stats from 40k showing Space marines getting cooked by guns inferior to the M2 browning.
> who can only enjoy the series if it has "muh bigger number"
I enjoy Star Wars, especially the CW era, because the kit used is kino as frick. Idk where you’re getting your bullshit from
At least we can agree 40k is gay though, I’ll give you that
>I enjoy Star Wars, especially the CW era
Its incredible how much TCW ruined it.
>TCW ruined it.
Meh I don’t hate it that much, especially the mid to late season with the exception of some of the stupider arcs
I got to see AT-TEs and second gen clone armor used in combat, and I was young, so it made me happy
I do, it rapes the clones, Asoka was unneeded, Anakin was not Anakin. Also it was just plain bad.
>Also it was just plain bad
>battle of Umbara
>Geonosis pt 2
>battle of kamino
Everything has some positives anons
>battle of kamino
>is literally an inferior version of the one in Star Wars Republic
The whole thing conflicted with and damaged star wars, all the while it was ugly and filled with poor narratives.
Are you mad about the chips? Because that was an ok thing to be added kinda like sheev as a fail safe thing
I wish we had gotten Sharad Hett as the antagonist of the Obi Wan show, but no it had to be about muh strong black woman and child acting
>But did you have the right to kill them? Would you do it again?
>yes
>Idk where you’re getting your bullshit from
>I say "Lol number not big", not "star wars bad" not "Something better than star wars" just "number not big"
>You have a melt down because apparently that means you're not allowed to enjoy star wars
Look man if you want to retract what you said that's fine, I'm going to keep having fun showing that Star Wars is not a setting where nuclear scale weapons are commonplace.
>I'm going to keep having fun showing that Star Wars is not a setting where nuclear scale weapons are commonplace.
That's one thing I liked about the Mandelorian; the Empire simply nuked Mano-land from orbit, with conventional nukes.
I trust Dooku's word
We cut Sheevs nuts off
Execute order 66
Execute rule 63
>not rule 69
sigh
HYPERSPACE RAM!
STICK A HYPERDRIVE ON A NEARBY ASTEROID AND TURN THE PLANET MOLTEN
>wanting to 69 with sweaty guys
Wrong board
Wrong board
Where are the weapons?
post blasters
Let's re-arrange some architecture deltas
It’s as relevant to weapons as the 347 threads everyday on Ukraine
Detach from the main force while ordering the big guns to fire on the transport ships as they flee to cause a distraction while we go after their commanders
God I loved Republic Commando. That game was based as frick.
Vode An
obviously with a handful of nonverbal ARC troopers making clicky clacky noises while they do mozambique drills on super battle droids
2003 clone wars was the absolute peak
I invent "the trench" and revolutionize star wars combat forever.
Okay Commander here's what you do. Gather them all up in a tight formation shoulder to shoulder, then have them slowly march out in the open with no cover into the advancing line of unflinching, unfeeling, easily mass produced, utterly replaceable robot army.
Got it?
Very well commander. Our first priority is to secure Padmé Amidala. Intel says she is being held in chains on Geonosis. Find out where and extract her immediately. Better to keep her bonds to prevent hysterics. Just bring her to me and I'll set her free once she's calm and docile.
As a jedi master, I recognize that the result has already been preordained and I sit down and meditate on this battle until it is over.
Dumb question. I obviously fire up the lightsaber and lead the troops in an infantry charge like a feudal lord.
God the prequel movies sucked. I liked some of the video games like when they basically remade Age of Empires 2 but Star Wars (Galactic Battlegrounds), and Jedi Power Battles.
I'm sure people younger than I enjoyed the 2d and 3d cartoons, though.
I wish there was a Youtuber like Spirit of the Law for Galactic Battlegrounds to do autistic in depth analysis of every unit, tech, and faction.
you should get into Empire At War, it makes more sense for the IP than a AOE terrain map.
I bought that game but was young and didn't realize my computer couldn't do 3d graphics 🙁
EaW sucks for ground combat, though.
SWGB for ground combat, EaW for space.
it's a good mix for what it is doing. balancing ship combat with ground, and an overarching tactical campaign map with various factions, abilities, and heroes, etc.
there are niche games that take one focus and perfect it, but the "space combat" of SWGB is awkward.
there are also mods for various games that fulfill a type of game that does not exist, like X4's star wars interworlds mod which provides an immersive SW space simulator, or SOSE's Star Wars Interregnum, Or Homeworld 2's Star Wars mods, both titles providing a fleet command experience that is pretty awesome.
the sheer bulk of the GAR bearing down on the clankers renders the question of 'how to win' irrelevant. the better question would be how do we not take embarrassingly high casualties?
>Find me RC-1262 and RC-1207. I'm going to marry them.
Take down the super battle droid.
>”Yes, I’m going to need plasma fire teams to aim at the bug things”
>”No, Yoda will not need to be informed of this order”
So who placed the clone army under the command of the Jedi Order?
The Jedi Order are not military commanders, don't Sheev's Republic have an actual military?
no, they literally don't
that's the whole point
I assumed they don't have the manpower but they still had some form of military.
Because even canon Disney lore depicts the Republic actually having a military that they've copied from KOTOR.
from what I remember from the in universe explanation, you are correct in that they did have a military, but one heavily underfunded and ineffectual. the pre clone army was small and folded into the clone army, not the other way around. the reasonable explanation for WHY the republics army was in such a sorry state of affairs at the start of the clone wars is likely the machinations of sheev
The various planets had their own armies of course but the Republic didn't have any
like having a State National Guard but no US Army
>The various planets had their own armies of course but the Republic didn't have any
Kinda, but it was supposed to be like the UN where each of those planets would contribute their own or parts of their military to fulfill the larger aims of the republic. Shockingly, none of them were really that into it. A kind of Yugoslavia or actual UN situation
Wipe this pathetic planet from the face of the galaxy.
>have them sent behind enemy lines utilising the main advance as a cover in order to sabotage rear line logistical capabilities and command structure
Good. Very good. Run a train on Padawan Ashoka they must.
Yeah, she had a big hand in developing Mandalorians further than they had been to date.
And I repeat, until Traviss stepped in, no author had yet tried to make clones sympathetic characters, which is what really sells them. Even Alpha-17 was first portrayed as a hard bastard who would blow up clone children.
>the Mandalorian tv show
is Filoni trying to reassert his version which overwrote Traviss's and ultimately resulted in her leaving Lucasarts.
In the first season, Favreau seemed to be taking a kind of middle tack to try and unsnarl the EU: "maybe there are a bunch of different Mandalorian cults, so both the Traviss and Filoni approaches could be correct, from their respective points of view"
Go away, the adults are talking.
>The Cestus Deception novel
by then Hard Contact was well on its way, it was published just a couple of months later.
>they knew about the clones having names in ROTS
can't really tell
anyway I'm talking more about depicting clones as people rather than as mooks, even named mooks.
our original point of argument was that boba fett/mando fanboyism and the clone identity that were to develop from 2002 are not the original nor sole works of karen and you have utterly failed to disprove that. rather, you delved into insults. I can't even say you're a child because I've known children who were not such b***hes
No, that's your "point of argument"; I gave up on trying to widen your world view to what *I* was talking about a couple of posts back
if you think "Boba Fett fanboyism" and "clones are good guys mmkay" is the height of literary criticism in Star Wars, well, that's just the level you're at. I can't help that.
the only thing, generally speaking, that is more moronic than the argument we're even having is yourself
>t. Darth Vader is a human. Darth Vader is a Sith, ergo Sith have always been portrayed sympathetically
What were you expecting? Trying to argue with a Traviss fan(boy?) is an exercise in futility.
I like most of her novels but not all of them, and I respect the contribution she made to the lore. Just as I respect the contribution Jude Watson made, and Genndy Tartakovsky, and Matt Stover, and Sean Stewart. If to you that makes me a "fan(boy?)"... I can't help that either.
>order them to find the breeding chambers, eliminating all males along the way, and destroy all eggs
>once the females have been secured order the systematic rape of all female geonosians
>i want every single clone to feel those bug c**ts wrapped around their dick in an endless chain of rape that by the last clone, the geonosian pussy is so worn out he can fit a boot in it
>then and only then I want you to order a withdrawl order from the planet, leaving nothing but a doomed species and enough genetic material to double the clone army, if they weren't sterile.
>That time Ki-Adi-Mundi ordered his troops to burn Geonosian egg chambers with unarmed civilians inside
Why was he so based out of all the Jedi?
They're just bugs, they are mindless drones slaved to a hive queen with pheromones and incomplete gene sets.
>Count Dookoo, I have twenty elite commandos.
>We need to talk...
>yfw you read about how moronic jedi "generals" had no idea how to use the commandos and had them fighting with the line units getting cut down for nothing
It's almost like turning glorified cops with spicy batons as commanders & generals suddenly can lead to them being shit at their job
just letting the clone commanders handle the tactical side of things would have made things so much better. those Black folk were bred for war and trained by mandalorians who I can imagine have a fairly good grasp of battle concepts
imagine taking a community organizer and making him represent a significant branch of a nation's government
Yes?
now replace him with a man who literally had pieces of his brain cut out
Commando?
Tell them to get some underpants!
sirs
It doesn't matter commander, I come from the future and your war is already over.