No Ian I'm not entering for a chance to win some surplus plastic pistol with a chewed up lanyard hole and magwell. I don't care that the controls are brown.
So in summary >Sig did have problems a while ago. >They we’re mostly fixed except for people who couldn’t or didn’t send in their pistol >the p320 probably isn’t “just going off.” >it’s probably morons being morons >pistols will blow up if you use double charged handloads
It doesn’t matter, my faith in that handgun is forever tarnished and i would never own one.
What if I somehow end up with an old one that has problems? What if im the .1% that it does randomly go off on and it kills me?
Every gun has its problems but this was such a major frick up that i just dont have confidence in that line of handguns anymore.
Plus it looks like shit
>What if I somehow end up with an old one that has problems?
You'll be fine, don't whip it at any walls. >What if im the .1% that it does randomly go off on and it kills me?
Congratulations, you'll be the only one.
>What if I somehow end up with an old one that has problems? What if im the .1% that it does randomly go off on and it kills me?
The posting quality on this board would improve.
The real shilling it's what he doesn't say mixed with the deflection about "millions of guns" and "it's only in rare circunstances": >SIG cut corners during the testing process and the gun wasn't drop safe. >SIG are cheap c**ts that issued a "voluntary fix" instead of a recall, also as plausible deniability vs. lawsuits. >The M17 does not have the problem because it was fixed before the same with the P320 was discovered by owners (ie: SIG sold those Ford Pinto pistols knowing they were unsafe) >As a result, there's a ton of unsafe P320 still out there.
If anyone leaves this thread without understanding how fundamentally israeli it was to sell unsafe handguns to the civilian market, while implementing the “Upgrade” to the military guns, they are completely beyond help.
Ian would never actually say what needs to be said here, that Sig made a massive error in not issuing a recall. That all being said, even the “fix” is unsafe by design. There is simply not enough redundancy built in, when you compare the trigger and safety arrangement of the P320 to any other striker fired handgun on the market, this becomes readily apparent. Notice he even patronizes people for pointing out that the gun wasn’t dropsafe. He’s spergs about how “it only happens at one specific angle” which is a flat out lie, it also was probably the most dangerous angle a gun could fire upon being dropped
But again, just to reiterate, Sig absolutely knew about the dropsafe issue during the MHS trials and had already developed a “fix”.
As somebody who built their FCU and thus knows how it works, I would never carry it as a "duty gun". I enjoy shooting it, it's a fun range toy, and maybe even the type of gun I'd keep at the cabin as a "Cabin Defense" weapon, but I would never carry it.
I love the idea of the FCU system, but the p250/p320 system just isn't it. The p365 looks like a solid upgrade, but I haven't gotten my hands on one to rip it apart yet.
All that being said, I suspect the vast majority of the reported issues post-upgrade (which, agreed, should have been a recall) are indeed dumbasses firing their guns on accident instead of the gun "just going off".
tl;dr: love my p320, think FCUs are cool, would never carry it because it isn't drop safe at all. I want Sig to be better and it makes me sad
You know what's got a surprising well built FCU design? The steyr M9 series. My only major complaint with them is that the lock makes them a bit of a pain to fit back inside the rest of the frame
fricking John Wick is a better candidate for "Gun Jesus" than this guy. Keanu Reeves is a trained shooter and I've only ever seen Ian fumble his way through 2 gun stages.
Not seeing the correlation of your argument.
I have no reason to value his opinion despite Reddit’s love of him.
I have reason to think water is good irrespective of Reddit’s opinion on it.
Ian stopped being interesting when he began pushing unfinished cash grab books that haven't even been edited and quotes from Wikipedia verbatim instead of doing independent research.
I thought everyone already knew they fixed these issues.
Do people shouting "muh drop safety" actually think these things still just go off?
That's pretty moronic.
They only “fixed” the issue on new model guns.
There are still hundreds of thousands of unfixed OLD p320’s from when they first released; in people’s collections and sold at gun stores.
Because the fix was a “voluntary program” most people did not send their guns in. Hell most gun owners are terminally online and likely never knew the program existed, especially old men.
They always knew what they were doing. It's a Ford Pinto situation: they calculated that the cost of lawsuits/replacement parts would be lower than fixing the gun before it was released or a recall.
After ditching Glock for other polymer wonder 9s when decent alternatives became available like a decade ago I've actually gone full circle. The Glock gen 5 in 9mm is the best duty/defensive handgun out there. It has the most robust and safest striker design on the market while being the most reliable/durable option due to the gen 5 improvements. The Gen 5 Glock is the most reliable handgun the FBI has ever tested, which is why it won't their contract. Furthermore fully prewienered and essentially single action striker fired guns are a mistake, particularly when combined with IWB carry. To be a reasonably safe choice they NEED a manual safety, even then they still aren't mechanically as safe as the Glock as the manual safeties on them simply block trigger movement instead of sear or striker movement leaving a single point of failure required for potential ADs while the Glock maintains at least 2, and that's ignoring the increased ND potential of a hair trigger with zero meaningful safety features. Even Glocks new attempt at mimicking SA striker fired designs is significantly superior to the competition, locking the sear in place unless the trigger is pulled. The Gen 5 9mm Glock with a SCD is the best option out there by a notable margin when it comes to a carry gun, combining the safety of a DA/SA gun and simplicity of a striker fired gun. MOS system does have some issues, but they've been fixed by aftermarket plate options. >Honorable mention to M&P 2.0, I still love you too. P320 is trash though.
cz p10 is better in every appreciable way other than being a tiddly-wink taller. Have you seen how tastefully THICCC the barrel and chamber and feed ramp is?
>Numerous issues from frames cracking at low round counts to marginally effective firing pin blocks resulting in safety concerns >No SCD available >Marginal market support and sales resulting in a questionable future
Nah, the gen 5 Glock is significantly better.
Ah yes and these concerns are so numerous and pressing that you cant provide a single example.
Also your aftermarket support point is not only moot, but factually wrong. You can find aftermarket barrels and slides and triggers and everything under the sun.
You know you don’t have to lie, right? Anyone can see youre bullshitting with 5 minutes of research
CZ shill cope, go replace your rollpins, trigger spring, and check your frame for cracks, because I’ve seen plenty of all 3, CZs are not meant for serious use, especially duty use.
And ive seen plenty of glocks/berettas/sigs/s&w/etc do the same things. You can find fricked up examples of every gun if you look.
Ive seen tons of videos of glocks exploding but not a single cz, curious. And the “frame cracking” you are referring to is a hairline crack under the locking block roll pin, because the pin is slightly oversized. It has not advanced or caused issues in any handgun, its just a thing for autists to hyper-focus on
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lmao, CZ damage control on full blast, why don’t you sell it and get a real gun?
Instead of a brittle piece of shit?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You literally just proved my point. The only reported “cracking” was under the locking block roll pin. In all reported incidents it never progressed and never caused a problem with functionality. P10 has been out for years and despite all the autism about a tiny hairline crack, there has never been a single report of a p10 injuring anyone or exploding itself; UNLIKE GLOCK
What? P10c frame damage was readily recorded, literally just Google or look it up on yt, don't have my bookmarks on mobile. Ironically enough your counter point regarding FUTURE market support is actually entirely moot, as you responded by pointing out that there's some current market support. How's that gonna look in 5-10yrs if CZ discontinues the P10c?
No they’re not, they just released a new p10c this year thats optics ready and suppressor ready. Stop lying israelite
1 year ago
Anonymous
Pottery
And ive seen plenty of glocks/berettas/sigs/s&w/etc do the same things. You can find fricked up examples of every gun if you look.
Ive seen tons of videos of glocks exploding but not a single cz, curious. And the “frame cracking” you are referring to is a hairline crack under the locking block roll pin, because the pin is slightly oversized. It has not advanced or caused issues in any handgun, its just a thing for autists to hyper-focus on
Clearly I'm talking to a moron at this point. Please post pics of 9mm gen 5 Glocks which either exploded or cracked frames due to design or QC issues from Glock as opposed to gross user negligence. >But muh gen 1 pissing hot .40 KBs
Nope. Gen 5 9mm. Considering the Glock has MASSIVELY greater market share of both every day joes and and LEAs/FLEAs compared to the P10c this should surely pose no issue if those problems are present with the design.
This entire “p10c discontinued” bullshit came about because theyre getting rid of the colored frame models and will only product black frame from now on unless its a limited edition run.
You homosexuals are always half-informed about everything. A board full of smarmy midwits
This entire “p10c discontinued” bullshit came about because theyre getting rid of the colored frame models and will only product black frame from now on unless its a limited edition run.
You homosexuals are always half-informed about everything. A board full of smarmy midwits
1 year ago
Anonymous
People don't understand that discontinuing a SKU isn't the same thing as discontinuing a product.
Weirdly enough that's a big factor for me too, 90% of my motivation for moving away from Glock was more neutral grip angles working more naturally for me combined with some bad experiences with a couple gen 4s that had issues. Picked up and shot a Glock for the first time in 7 or 8 years and it felt better, pointed more naturally, and tracked notably better under recoil than my M&P does. Admittedly I have been neglecting my M&P the last month or two but still left me practically WTFing. Weird how much personal preference can change handgun effectiveness for the individual and how much personal preference can change. Of course that won't stop me from saying that the nearly stock gen 5 is the best striker fired handgun on the planet and everything else sucks, this is /k/ after all
> The Gen 5 9mm Glock with a SCD is the best option out there
The striker control device is the biggest COPE and admission of flawed design of all time. It is absolutely HILARIOUS that all you Glock homosexuals that bashed hammer fired guns and guns with manual safeties for YEARS are now modifying your unsafe weapons with a SCD that mimics (poorly) one of the most basic safety features of a hammer fired device that have been around for over 100 years. You reinvented the wheel with something unsafe and broken and then COPED HARD to reinvent your square wheel as a circle again by hamfisting a striker control device into the back of your gun. LOL. Glocks are gay.
>The Gen 5 9mm Glock with a SCD is the best option out there by a notable margin when it comes to a carry gun
Shadow System would like to call bullshit on you, now SS are the best glock.
>GUN JESUS
Offend Putin or a transsexual, Mohammed and the sky starts falling. Offend the Son of God and our Saviour to promote a cheap and worthless ecelb and its based and humorous. No. No goes in all fields.
>Sig pistols have (possibly fatal) problems >Sig recalls and fixes all the military pistols >Sig doesn't recall all police and civilian pistols >Sig strongly suggests those people use the free "voluntary upgrade program" service >Some people do it >Some people don't do it >Most people probably don't even know theres a problem in the first place, let alone a fix for it >Sig pistols out in the wild continue to have (possibly fatal) problems
That sound about right?
That sounds about right but from the video I got the impression that the 320 passed the usual battery of drop safe tests that most handguns go through and that it was only during the additional testing that the 320 AD'd.
The >Fires when dropped
SIG >Discharges out off battery
P320 >Fires in the holster
Is >Breaks ejector over inserting mag
Perfectly >Refuses to function with a suppressor
Fine >Double ejects a round with an spent casing
>Ian: >In this video I'm going to avoid the key facts about the controversy over the p320 and pretend is largely overblown by uninformed people on the internet
FTFY
The problem with Ian is not being left wing or antigun, that's moronic. The problem is him occasionally being a sell out, using his otherwise good reputation as cover.
If anyone leaves this thread without understanding how fundamentally israeli it was to sell unsafe handguns to the civilian market, while implementing the “Upgrade” to the military guns, they are completely beyond help.
Ian would never actually say what needs to be said here, that Sig made a massive error in not issuing a recall. That all being said, even the “fix” is unsafe by design. There is simply not enough redundancy built in, when you compare the trigger and safety arrangement of the P320 to any other striker fired handgun on the market, this becomes readily apparent. Notice he even patronizes people for pointing out that the gun wasn’t dropsafe. He’s spergs about how “it only happens at one specific angle” which is a flat out lie, it also was probably the most dangerous angle a gun could fire upon being dropped
But again, just to reiterate, Sig absolutely knew about the dropsafe issue during the MHS trials and had already developed a “fix”.
No offense man but if we're talking about a video thats about people on the internet making wild speculative claims I'm going to need a little more to go on than "See
If anyone leaves this thread without understanding how fundamentally israeli it was to sell unsafe handguns to the civilian market, while implementing the “Upgrade” to the military guns, they are completely beyond help.
Ian would never actually say what needs to be said here, that Sig made a massive error in not issuing a recall. That all being said, even the “fix” is unsafe by design. There is simply not enough redundancy built in, when you compare the trigger and safety arrangement of the P320 to any other striker fired handgun on the market, this becomes readily apparent. Notice he even patronizes people for pointing out that the gun wasn’t dropsafe. He’s spergs about how “it only happens at one specific angle” which is a flat out lie, it also was probably the most dangerous angle a gun could fire upon being dropped
But again, just to reiterate, Sig absolutely knew about the dropsafe issue during the MHS trials and had already developed a “fix”.
". If there's some actual info out there beyond just forum posts on various gun boards, I'd like to see it.
It’s not a wild or speculative claim to say that Sig shipped a different FCS on the M17 than they were shipping on the civilian and police P320s, that’s objectively fact.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm talking specifically about the drop safe issue. I know about the lawsuits connected to the 320 popping off on its own but were any of them due to dropping the gun and were those guns recalled or not?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I’m not commenting on the current lawsuits, I’m talking about when Sig knowingly sold unsafe guns for years while simultaneously changing the FCS for their military guns.
Dude's basically a sig shill. I remember him talking up how the XM5 has a separate barrel extension that's made out of a harder material than the barrel while conveniently neglecting to mention that's been standard on every single AR-15 barrel made in the last 60 years.
>Literally selling SIGs
From the way this guy has swung commercial I'm concerned he's put himself on the books of a ~~*management agency*~~. Why does he suddenly need dollars? Writing on the wall about Vtubing going away?
No Ian I'm not entering for a chance to win some surplus plastic pistol with a chewed up lanyard hole and magwell. I don't care that the controls are brown.
Literally just replace the plastic piece and keep the controls.
The civilian model is better and cheaper, the only reason to buy this surplus gun is if you're a collector.
So in summary
>Sig did have problems a while ago.
>They we’re mostly fixed except for people who couldn’t or didn’t send in their pistol
>the p320 probably isn’t “just going off.”
>it’s probably morons being morons
>pistols will blow up if you use double charged handloads
Pretty much. Millions of P320s in circulation, a handful of incidents, fanboys on the internet pushing a narrative. Tale as old as time.
It doesn’t matter, my faith in that handgun is forever tarnished and i would never own one.
What if I somehow end up with an old one that has problems? What if im the .1% that it does randomly go off on and it kills me?
Every gun has its problems but this was such a major frick up that i just dont have confidence in that line of handguns anymore.
Plus it looks like shit
>What if I somehow end up with an old one that has problems?
You'll be fine, don't whip it at any walls.
>What if im the .1% that it does randomly go off on and it kills me?
Congratulations, you'll be the only one.
>What if I somehow end up with an old one that has problems? What if im the .1% that it does randomly go off on and it kills me?
The posting quality on this board would improve.
The real shilling it's what he doesn't say mixed with the deflection about "millions of guns" and "it's only in rare circunstances":
>SIG cut corners during the testing process and the gun wasn't drop safe.
>SIG are cheap c**ts that issued a "voluntary fix" instead of a recall, also as plausible deniability vs. lawsuits.
>The M17 does not have the problem because it was fixed before the same with the P320 was discovered by owners (ie: SIG sold those Ford Pinto pistols knowing they were unsafe)
>As a result, there's a ton of unsafe P320 still out there.
If anyone leaves this thread without understanding how fundamentally israeli it was to sell unsafe handguns to the civilian market, while implementing the “Upgrade” to the military guns, they are completely beyond help.
Ian would never actually say what needs to be said here, that Sig made a massive error in not issuing a recall. That all being said, even the “fix” is unsafe by design. There is simply not enough redundancy built in, when you compare the trigger and safety arrangement of the P320 to any other striker fired handgun on the market, this becomes readily apparent. Notice he even patronizes people for pointing out that the gun wasn’t dropsafe. He’s spergs about how “it only happens at one specific angle” which is a flat out lie, it also was probably the most dangerous angle a gun could fire upon being dropped
But again, just to reiterate, Sig absolutely knew about the dropsafe issue during the MHS trials and had already developed a “fix”.
As somebody who built their FCU and thus knows how it works, I would never carry it as a "duty gun". I enjoy shooting it, it's a fun range toy, and maybe even the type of gun I'd keep at the cabin as a "Cabin Defense" weapon, but I would never carry it.
I love the idea of the FCU system, but the p250/p320 system just isn't it. The p365 looks like a solid upgrade, but I haven't gotten my hands on one to rip it apart yet.
All that being said, I suspect the vast majority of the reported issues post-upgrade (which, agreed, should have been a recall) are indeed dumbasses firing their guns on accident instead of the gun "just going off".
tl;dr: love my p320, think FCUs are cool, would never carry it because it isn't drop safe at all. I want Sig to be better and it makes me sad
You know what's got a surprising well built FCU design? The steyr M9 series. My only major complaint with them is that the lock makes them a bit of a pain to fit back inside the rest of the frame
>tl;dr: love my p320, think FCUs are cool, would never carry it because it isn't drop safe at all
How so?
fricking John Wick is a better candidate for "Gun Jesus" than this guy. Keanu Reeves is a trained shooter and I've only ever seen Ian fumble his way through 2 gun stages.
congrats on the worst one in the thread, you must be proud to be crowned the biggest Black person here.
There is literally no reason why I should value his opinion especially with that stupid reddit beard and reddit hair
>Disrespecting Ian
Go back to where you came from tourist
Lmfao literally re ddit’s favorite guntuber frick off war tourist
If Reddit told you water was good for you and you should drink it, what, exactly, would your response be?
Not seeing the correlation of your argument.
I have no reason to value his opinion despite Reddit’s love of him.
I have reason to think water is good irrespective of Reddit’s opinion on it.
Good little simp
Ian stopped being interesting when he began pushing unfinished cash grab books that haven't even been edited and quotes from Wikipedia verbatim instead of doing independent research.
I thought everyone already knew they fixed these issues.
Do people shouting "muh drop safety" actually think these things still just go off?
That's pretty moronic.
They only “fixed” the issue on new model guns.
There are still hundreds of thousands of unfixed OLD p320’s from when they first released; in people’s collections and sold at gun stores.
Because the fix was a “voluntary program” most people did not send their guns in. Hell most gun owners are terminally online and likely never knew the program existed, especially old men.
*are not terminally online
Sure, but these people, and especially cops, claiming their P320's are just going off are definitely ND'ing and hiding behind the drop safety shit.
Absolutely this
>Hey Jake watch this
>Spins gun on finger
>Fires into the floor
>Oh shit
They always knew what they were doing. It's a Ford Pinto situation: they calculated that the cost of lawsuits/replacement parts would be lower than fixing the gun before it was released or a recall.
After ditching Glock for other polymer wonder 9s when decent alternatives became available like a decade ago I've actually gone full circle. The Glock gen 5 in 9mm is the best duty/defensive handgun out there. It has the most robust and safest striker design on the market while being the most reliable/durable option due to the gen 5 improvements. The Gen 5 Glock is the most reliable handgun the FBI has ever tested, which is why it won't their contract. Furthermore fully prewienered and essentially single action striker fired guns are a mistake, particularly when combined with IWB carry. To be a reasonably safe choice they NEED a manual safety, even then they still aren't mechanically as safe as the Glock as the manual safeties on them simply block trigger movement instead of sear or striker movement leaving a single point of failure required for potential ADs while the Glock maintains at least 2, and that's ignoring the increased ND potential of a hair trigger with zero meaningful safety features. Even Glocks new attempt at mimicking SA striker fired designs is significantly superior to the competition, locking the sear in place unless the trigger is pulled. The Gen 5 9mm Glock with a SCD is the best option out there by a notable margin when it comes to a carry gun, combining the safety of a DA/SA gun and simplicity of a striker fired gun. MOS system does have some issues, but they've been fixed by aftermarket plate options.
>Honorable mention to M&P 2.0, I still love you too. P320 is trash though.
cz p10 is better in every appreciable way other than being a tiddly-wink taller. Have you seen how tastefully THICCC the barrel and chamber and feed ramp is?
>Numerous issues from frames cracking at low round counts to marginally effective firing pin blocks resulting in safety concerns
>No SCD available
>Marginal market support and sales resulting in a questionable future
Nah, the gen 5 Glock is significantly better.
Ah yes and these concerns are so numerous and pressing that you cant provide a single example.
Also your aftermarket support point is not only moot, but factually wrong. You can find aftermarket barrels and slides and triggers and everything under the sun.
You know you don’t have to lie, right? Anyone can see youre bullshitting with 5 minutes of research
CZ shill cope, go replace your rollpins, trigger spring, and check your frame for cracks, because I’ve seen plenty of all 3, CZs are not meant for serious use, especially duty use.
And ive seen plenty of glocks/berettas/sigs/s&w/etc do the same things. You can find fricked up examples of every gun if you look.
Ive seen tons of videos of glocks exploding but not a single cz, curious. And the “frame cracking” you are referring to is a hairline crack under the locking block roll pin, because the pin is slightly oversized. It has not advanced or caused issues in any handgun, its just a thing for autists to hyper-focus on
Lmao, CZ damage control on full blast, why don’t you sell it and get a real gun?
Instead of a brittle piece of shit?
You literally just proved my point. The only reported “cracking” was under the locking block roll pin. In all reported incidents it never progressed and never caused a problem with functionality. P10 has been out for years and despite all the autism about a tiny hairline crack, there has never been a single report of a p10 injuring anyone or exploding itself; UNLIKE GLOCK
What? P10c frame damage was readily recorded, literally just Google or look it up on yt, don't have my bookmarks on mobile. Ironically enough your counter point regarding FUTURE market support is actually entirely moot, as you responded by pointing out that there's some current market support. How's that gonna look in 5-10yrs if CZ discontinues the P10c?
CZ already is discontinuing the p10c bro
No they’re not, they just released a new p10c this year thats optics ready and suppressor ready. Stop lying israelite
Pottery
Clearly I'm talking to a moron at this point. Please post pics of 9mm gen 5 Glocks which either exploded or cracked frames due to design or QC issues from Glock as opposed to gross user negligence.
>But muh gen 1 pissing hot .40 KBs
Nope. Gen 5 9mm. Considering the Glock has MASSIVELY greater market share of both every day joes and and LEAs/FLEAs compared to the P10c this should surely pose no issue if those problems are present with the design.
I made no such claims.
This entire “p10c discontinued” bullshit came about because theyre getting rid of the colored frame models and will only product black frame from now on unless its a limited edition run.
You homosexuals are always half-informed about everything. A board full of smarmy midwits
People don't understand that discontinuing a SKU isn't the same thing as discontinuing a product.
Yeah, I'm considering going back to a stock Glock myself. I picked one up again recently and it just feels right.
Weirdly enough that's a big factor for me too, 90% of my motivation for moving away from Glock was more neutral grip angles working more naturally for me combined with some bad experiences with a couple gen 4s that had issues. Picked up and shot a Glock for the first time in 7 or 8 years and it felt better, pointed more naturally, and tracked notably better under recoil than my M&P does. Admittedly I have been neglecting my M&P the last month or two but still left me practically WTFing. Weird how much personal preference can change handgun effectiveness for the individual and how much personal preference can change. Of course that won't stop me from saying that the nearly stock gen 5 is the best striker fired handgun on the planet and everything else sucks, this is /k/ after all
> The Gen 5 9mm Glock with a SCD is the best option out there
The striker control device is the biggest COPE and admission of flawed design of all time. It is absolutely HILARIOUS that all you Glock homosexuals that bashed hammer fired guns and guns with manual safeties for YEARS are now modifying your unsafe weapons with a SCD that mimics (poorly) one of the most basic safety features of a hammer fired device that have been around for over 100 years. You reinvented the wheel with something unsafe and broken and then COPED HARD to reinvent your square wheel as a circle again by hamfisting a striker control device into the back of your gun. LOL. Glocks are gay.
>The Gen 5 9mm Glock with a SCD is the best option out there by a notable margin when it comes to a carry gun
Shadow System would like to call bullshit on you, now SS are the best glock.
>shill is gonna shill
And some people still take that clown seriously lmao
>GUN JESUS
Offend Putin or a transsexual, Mohammed and the sky starts falling. Offend the Son of God and our Saviour to promote a cheap and worthless ecelb and its based and humorous. No. No goes in all fields.
t. atheist larping as a christian
>Sig pistols have (possibly fatal) problems
>Sig recalls and fixes all the military pistols
>Sig doesn't recall all police and civilian pistols
>Sig strongly suggests those people use the free "voluntary upgrade program" service
>Some people do it
>Some people don't do it
>Most people probably don't even know theres a problem in the first place, let alone a fix for it
>Sig pistols out in the wild continue to have (possibly fatal) problems
That sound about right?
That sounds about right but from the video I got the impression that the 320 passed the usual battery of drop safe tests that most handguns go through and that it was only during the additional testing that the 320 AD'd.
>Sig pistols out in the wild continue to have (possibly fatal) problems
But they don't. It's really just cops and idiots having these problems.
The
>Fires when dropped
SIG
>Discharges out off battery
P320
>Fires in the holster
Is
>Breaks ejector over inserting mag
Perfectly
>Refuses to function with a suppressor
Fine
>Double ejects a round with an spent casing
Cops though
>gun jesus
Frick off war tourist
/k/ was the one who gave him that name, new gay.
Of course, back then, non ironic humor was celebrated not scorned.
Ian:
>In this video I'm going to cover how the controversy over the p320 is largely overblown by uninformed people on the internet
/k/:
>OH YEAH WELL I HEARD SOME STUFF ABOUT THE P320 FROM PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET
>Ian:
>In this video I'm going to avoid the key facts about the controversy over the p320 and pretend is largely overblown by uninformed people on the internet
FTFY
The problem with Ian is not being left wing or antigun, that's moronic. The problem is him occasionally being a sell out, using his otherwise good reputation as cover.
>avoid the key facts
Which key facts specifically?
See
No offense man but if we're talking about a video thats about people on the internet making wild speculative claims I'm going to need a little more to go on than "See
". If there's some actual info out there beyond just forum posts on various gun boards, I'd like to see it.
It’s not a wild or speculative claim to say that Sig shipped a different FCS on the M17 than they were shipping on the civilian and police P320s, that’s objectively fact.
I'm talking specifically about the drop safe issue. I know about the lawsuits connected to the 320 popping off on its own but were any of them due to dropping the gun and were those guns recalled or not?
I’m not commenting on the current lawsuits, I’m talking about when Sig knowingly sold unsafe guns for years while simultaneously changing the FCS for their military guns.
Dude's basically a sig shill. I remember him talking up how the XM5 has a separate barrel extension that's made out of a harder material than the barrel while conveniently neglecting to mention that's been standard on every single AR-15 barrel made in the last 60 years.
>makes the first video praising it
>you newbies keep posting all these other poser homosexuals
frick you nu /k/
When your favorite polymer striker fired handgun finally passes the “goyslop” allegations
>Literally selling SIGs
From the way this guy has swung commercial I'm concerned he's put himself on the books of a ~~*management agency*~~. Why does he suddenly need dollars? Writing on the wall about Vtubing going away?
Fellas, am I gonna die?
You have a manual safety so no.
You bought the safe one cupcake, us real men live on the edge.
UNGA BUNGA WE DIE LIKE MEN
yeah. i bought the p320 last year and as soon as i put it in a holster i died
We die together.
I would even buy Turkshit over SIG