Sig NGSW Rifle Failed, US Military is not Adopting it

https://www.armytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2023/02/28/the-not-really-next-generation-weapons-program/

"The XM-5/7 as it turns out fails a single round into a mud test."

"also only recently demonstrated that the rifle seemingly fails, at point-blank ranges, to meet its base criteria of penetrating Level 4 body armor (unassisted)."

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Me entering this thread with the Great Satan having been defeated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its most likely going to only see limited use like the SCAR and that's about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Army wanted a new DMR. This is how they get one. Initial order will be filled a given out as needed to forward facing units. M4 on Mars.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          M4 on alpha centauri

          https://i.imgur.com/EdqW4Bn.gif

          Sig employees at full force in this thread.

          its sabbath though, i thought it wasnt kosher to post on sabbath

          There are only two ways its getting through body armor with the cartridge specs out there.
          Tungsten or an industrial gem stone. Ceramic penetrators probably can't keep their shape well enough.
          Both are very expensive and don't change our position vis a vis affordably plate busting.

          Its better to accept that you can't punch holes in Lv IV and instead focus on other avenues.
          If you want to switch out the M4, do it for another light weight and soft shooting carbine.

          >an industrial gem stone.
          cheap as shit to make and a HARD FLEX on everyone else.

          https://i.imgur.com/ZlYrHYS.jpg

          >Mud test featuring cringe antifa satanist Karl where he fills the chamber and fire control with goo and then acts surprised when the rifle doesnt function.
          >Retarded Texans on a range with civilian FMJ .277 ammunition (Non AP, non steel core, not the high pressure mil loads) shooting level IV plates

          The rifle passed the same NATO mud test that every other rifle was subjected to
          NO ONE is allowed to possess or use the military high-pressure ammunition, in testing, the spent cartridges were sent back to the military for secrecy.
          This guy has written this same fucking article 4 times now and only now is he getting a critical response, pathetic chink shilling this afternoon.

          >The rifle passed the same NATO mud test that every other rifle was subjected to
          did the ones running the tests get new vacation homes and cushy no show jobs after they retire from BIG ARMY?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have we tested which weapon actions work in the vacuum of space? Smokeless is self oxidizing so it will go bang.

            Gas block setting:
            >N - normal
            >A - adverse
            >S - space

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              All of them work. Even revolvers don't suffer a notable amount from the cylinder gap due to the difference in pressure between the gap and the atmosphere being like a 0.01% difference on Earth vs in space.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            prove it ran the mud test. the M17 program cut all the final round of testing which was the hardest once Sig sent its pricing at the second round. I assume the pricing docs were carried by hookers.

            https://i.imgur.com/8B2od4I.jpg

            >The youngest millennial is 27

            Its not a solid thing I agree with the school of generations that says the youngest millennial is 30. If you dont remember dial up and the year 2000 you arent a millennial

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They have good goys on the books to run the sabbath shifts. And the best part? They do it for free.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They have good goys on the books to run the sabbath shifts. And the best part? They do it for free.

            Sigger's shills on the internet are outsourced Indians, not garden gnomes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              IT WAS CHEAPA BYA DOLLLAH!!!!

              they looked like socks OK??

              I'll give that a pass, but explain away the filming of jerking off behind the old kmart in a clown wig and butt plug that said daddys little princess. while wearing his wifes nylons. AND LORDING HIS BASE MODEL CORVETTE OVER EVERYONE.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We are very of demoralize by this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm remoralized, zoomer shill. SCHV chads have preached Stoners' good word all GWOT long despite every fudd, boomer and sigger and now the world is learning just in time for the return to peer warfare.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >zoomer shill
        >30 is considered zoomer now
        Interesting, also use more buzzwords next time

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The youngest millennial is 27

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          6.8 is not .30

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stop making millenials look bad you fucking fag.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On the contrary I am very BOOSTED in morale by this. It was the shittiest service rifle from the beginning and the whole contest was misdesigned. I'm delighted to see that there are still checks in the process.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon... It's an opinion piece, the army isn't dropping it lol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. It’s a sign that nature is healing. The Sig was fucking terrible

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >was
        Anon this is an opinion piece, the SIG still IS the army's new rifle.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s actually not. It’s still in testing

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and they've already ordered over 15,000 of them in FY23. The FY24 procurement draft should be out next month so be sure to check there to see how many XM7s they plan to order for next year. It's expected to be around 25-35k rifles in 2024 added to the 15k in 2023 we are already approaching 50k rifles. This isn't some small test run like the SCAR.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Major Wood

              lol. fail.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only a nogunz euro ukrainecocksuck gay would get demoralized by this. we are going back to based m16/m4 and supplemental DMRs/MGs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nu-sig not blindly winning everything
      >demoralizing
      Haha, go suck more dick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for your volunteer internet service, sir

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Quite the opposite actually

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The FN rifle was better

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do they insist on 6 different colors?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because it looks cool.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Gun companies are ass-backwards when it comes to manufacturing tech.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/7dBn4Wf.jpg

        SOCOM sheenanigans, just like MRGG
        At least the requirements behind it are more reasonable than the NGSW wet dreams

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >We are very of demoralize by this
      Second Ltn. Peter McWashington, Phoenix 161st Air National Guards, Arizona Oblast checking in. I can confirm we are very demoralize by this, my Senior Sgt. threw a fit upon hearing the news.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty sure I've seen this thread posted already

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and it's a shitty opinion piece

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I trust opinion piece written by someone who's entire journalistic career appears to be a handful of opinion pieces about how shit the NGSW program is.

    Seems pretty biased to be

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yup, Pic related the only other articles I can find by him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >those titles
        jesus he sounds like the sort of retard shit threads here

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/PKB0MNq.jpg

      Yup, Pic related the only other articles I can find by him.

      https://muckrack.com/allan-orr/articles
      Generally seems to otherwise insult the Australian military for being incompetent, and the West fuck ups when it came to Syria and Russia, not being hard liners enough.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fuck australia.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I bet I can blindfild you with fishing line.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I love Australians but I hate your fucking government, especially since yall live where everything is trying to kill you andabbos.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is just a baseless opinion piece, there's no new info on the status of the program

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >op-ed that used InrangeTV as its first source
    I’m not going to say the NGWS program isn’t without problems but I’d rather save my time reading a better source rather than some slide thread

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's still time to make the correct choice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna lick the muzzle device. Its like one big lollipop.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please anon... Don't give me hope... I had almost moved on, but now the dream could be rekindled...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based.

      Though speaking seriously it's the wrong time to do NGSW at all. They should figure out PCT ammo and standardize that, then in another few years run a comp for rifles specifically for a 6.8pct cartridge only, everyone targets the same design. And designed around smart gun capabilities from the start too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bullpup fags still seething
      the LSAT was the only real option and you fags should have known this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. Can we go back to a lightweight gun firing case-telescoped intermediate-caliber rounds now?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This rifle with the Sig light machine gun was always the correct answer. They needed to standardize ammo type though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The SIG LMG only met the performance requirements by using the 80k PSI ammo, which means it they wanted to use the bullpup ammo in the LMG they'd likely need to add several inches to the barrel length. Likely making it fairly unwieldy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they could triple the barrel length and it'd still beat the m249 tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The MAG is a rugged lump of pure love, and is defender of the west

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I still feel it would have been a better choice to take the GD rifle, and then adopt a 240A1 and just rechamber all types of 240 with the new 6.8 as a stop gap and hold another contract for the squad level MGs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please please come back

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Spear was the right choice, bullpups are for Euros

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bullpups are for Euros
        Weapon choice should never be about avoidance because some other country has them. If a weapon is superior, we should adopt it regardless if other countries have them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      LOP too long
      The goblinas in the military could never shoulder this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And that's a good thing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If this appeals to you, you should legit get a brain scan because something isn't right up there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullpup rifle, but the MG should be a KAC LAMG in the poly cased 6.8.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Id sign a dex statement before I used a bullpup like a chink or a frenchmen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black Rain is taking the contract, they're mag release and bolt controls are just superior to any bullpups in the next 50 years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's a different gun

        Beretta is making the RM277

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Will it? No news about it in a year.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based and future pilled. The only issue is people refuse to learn something different even if it has nothing but benefits for humans (lefties go back to praying to Satan)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        shame they went under it was a cool gun but it just cost way too much

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you realize that the actual Czech manufacturer is still going and the only thing that "went under" was the importer?
          There's already another importer lined up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They hated him because he spoke the truth

      If this appeals to you, you should legit get a brain scan because something isn't right up there.

      Seethe harder fudd.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No country will ever adopt a bullpup again. They were a retarded idea in the 60s, and they're even dumber now that we know how much they suck.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The inability to accept the bullpup is a sign of lower intelligence. You would have been the fudd reeeeing about muh wood stocks 50 years ago.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You would have been the fudd reeeeing about muh wood stocks 50 years ago
          No anon, you're the fudd here pining for outdated trash technology because you think it looks cool. Everyone who currently uses bullpups will drop them in your lifetime. Most already have. Remember that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Once dem darn Mattel stocks break, they gunna be running back to old WOOD AND STEEL.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based, fuck Sig.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not true anon, it's an opinion piece, the army isn't changing shit because some retard wrote an opinion piece.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, but this doesn’t change my opinion.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but that won't change the army from adopting it either. So enjoy being butt blasted I suppose

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >/opinion/

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Nowhere in the article does it say they're dropping the whole program
    What did OP mean by this?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Opinion
    As much as I love the M4A1, this is the future.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    siggers on suicide watch

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See

      It's not true anon, it's an opinion piece, the army isn't changing shit because some retard wrote an opinion piece.

      It's just a retard like yourself wishing SIG would get fucked but in reality nothing is changing.

      The article unironically reads like a poster in here shitting on the NGSW

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >just an article
        siggers still on suicide watch

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Siggers are always on suicide watch because their pistols can go off for no reason

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Civilian testing, testing Army either never did or is hiding, also only recently demonstrated that the rifle seemingly fails, at point-blank ranges, to meet its base criteria of penetrating Level 4 body armor (unassisted). True, the Army never explicitly set this goal, but it has nonetheless insinuated at every level, from media to Congress, that the rifle will penetrate said armor unassisted. Indeed, that was the entire point of the program.
    The gun doesn't stand up to standards that there is no evidence the Army ever set for it, and that have come entirely from journalists trying to read between the lines in absolutely ridiculous ways. Wow, it's fucking nothing.

    >For guaranteed hits, the shooter still must manually ‘ping’ the target. This takes back usable seconds and makes shooting 100% accurately on the fly, as envisioned under the program to justify the reduced available round count, an utter pipe dream.
    Wow, the scope still requires pressing a button to laze the target before instantly giving you a fire solution and letting you share that target's position with your buddies. This totally isn't how everyone with at least a partially functional brain expected it to work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"It will fire at speeds that far exceed the velocity of bullets today, and it will penetrate any existing or known ... body armor that's out there," Gen. Mark Milley told Military.com at the 2018 Association of the United States Army's Annual Meeting and Exposition. "What I have seen so far from the engineers and the folks that put these things together, this is entirely technologically possible. ... It's a very good weapon."
      >read between the lines
      Dumbass. Do some research.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which the "special purpose" classified $20/shot round probably does.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are only two ways its getting through body armor with the cartridge specs out there.
          Tungsten or an industrial gem stone. Ceramic penetrators probably can't keep their shape well enough.
          Both are very expensive and don't change our position vis a vis affordably plate busting.

          Its better to accept that you can't punch holes in Lv IV and instead focus on other avenues.
          If you want to switch out the M4, do it for another light weight and soft shooting carbine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At $20/shot its already several times now expensive than M993 or M995 which both use tungsten penetrators.

            But again, it's classified so we don't know what it is yet. Educated guess points to a potentially new tungsten penetrator design/shape and maybe a new/harder alloy.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >now
              More

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Post a single source on the $20/round figure.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can look up the official ammo procurement cost.

                > FY 2023 Base Procurement dollars in the amount of $7.858 million supports the procurement of 0.354 million SP cartridges.

                That's about $22.19/shot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >0.354 million SP cartridges.
                >very small runs of specialty ammunition for testing purposes are more expensive
                Wow, it's fucking nothing. M855A1 cost close to a dollar initially, before dropping to about the same price as M855.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean yea the normal ball ammo is like $2/shot right now because the lake city plant isnt running the 6.8 production line until it gets a new building in 2026/7

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >before dropping to about the same price as M855.
                Actually lower than last batches of mil M855 especially if you adjust for inflation.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Both are very expensive
            Tungsten is $20 per pound. Do the math.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >posts a quote that makes zero claims about penetrating body armor with ball ammo

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So the wonders of the NGSW program, are that with specialty ammo it will do what in-service cartridges can already do?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"specialty ammo"
            steel penetrator is ball ammo now

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Steel penetrators haven't been shown to bust plates.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Steel M855A1 was never made to bust plates.
                6.8 "ball ammo" (aka EPR construction) was never released for independent testing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                Steel M855A1 was never made to bust plates.
                6.8 "ball ammo" (aka EPR construction) was never released for independent testing.

                M855A1's goals were to remove lead from the bullet and make terminal effects not dependent on the bullets yaw at impact. 6.8x51 is using the same bullet desig of steel head, copper slug, reverse drawn jacket, but that doesn't provide enough information ot draw any conclusions at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Steel penetrators aren’t AP.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Correct.
                Basic bitch ball ammo in 5.56 is EPR.
                Which means basic bitch 6.8 ammo will be EPR.
                Testing done with commercial bullets proves nothing about 6.8 performance when loaded with the military bullets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's why there's been testing with.308 EPR using M80A1 loaded into 300 Win Mag rifles.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks that’s changing every round to tungsten core is more believable
          >he thinks that generals, especially actual gays like Milley, know guns

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See

            The cost COULD indicate tungsten, but it could ALSO indicate some super special non-tungsten alloy penetrator that is still expensive to produce in small batches but could become much cheaper and easier to produce than tungsten in the long term.

            But yea, we don't really know.

            We don't actually know if it is tungsten or not. It could be some crazy new super alloy that doesn't require tungsten, but is still very expensive in the early development phase that we are still in, which is why it costs $22/shot right now.

            It still could just be a normal tungsten penetrator too, the point is we don't actually know.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why do siggers claim something we don't know about which probably doesn't exist and possibly *can't* exist is actually a gamechanger we need give shekels for today?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its because SIGGERS have embarrassingly low self esteem and little man complex. they also have VERY SMALL penises, and wear their "wifes" clothes while driving a 2 generation old smoked in base model auto thats 4th owner and has a slow drain and is too cheap to get it fixed.

                SIG is H&K for the social security operator set.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they looked like socks OK??

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok sure. It can be something other than tungsten and I won’t argue that. But if it is, then it’s just as rare or rarer or takes an incredible amount of machining/manufacturing time.

              There aren’t many things as hard as tungsten and resilient enough to be shot. Whatever it is will be rare and expensive and just as impractical as 100% tungsten issue rounds.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and just as impractical as 100% tungsten issue rounds.
                at the end of the day, if it's something we can mass produce in a lab, cost is irrelevant to the military if we can get tungsten performance without relying on foreign tungsten imports.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >at the end of the day, if it's something we can mass produce in a lab,
                >this bro doing alchemy and shit
                Ultimately in a total war scenario yes. However I doubt it’s that simple. I also doubt they are using osmium or some shit.

                Most bullets fired miss their target and no scope will change that. It’s a much better use of rare materials to focus on tank penetrators and stuff like that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Most bullets miss their targets and scope won't change that

                And hitting armor you can't pen is still a miss.

                >Ultimately in a total war scenario yes. However I doubt it’s that simple. I also doubt they are using osmium or some shit.

                Oh wow, I bet your completely ignorant speculation is more based in reality than the decision makers with all of the facts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh wow, I bet your completely ignorant speculation is more based in reality than the decision makers with all of the facts
                Oh fuck off moron. The best you gays can ever come up with is
                >just trust the government bro
                >military leadership is always right
                They didn’t reinvent elements here. If they did, it sure as shit isn’t used for something as simple as a bullet. Either explain what the fuck they are using or acknowledge its irrational to issue AP ammo as the main combat load

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did the "civilian testing" the author mentioned use the 6.8 equivalent to the M855A1 EPR?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It will fire at speeds that far exceed the velocity of bullets today
        The fuck am I reading? Oh, this is from Commissar 'I Want To Understand White Rage' Milley. Nevermind.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cope sigger

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing in the article is wrong.
    The NGSW itself is a mess of a program.
    The LMG itself is good, but has the issue of a light barrel profile and suppressor resulting in limited sustained fire utility. With the problem being that increasing the weight of the barrel is once again getting the gun up to the same 20lb weight of the FN Minimi, except this time with heavier and less ammo.
    The rifle is probably pointless in general.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nothing in the article is wrong.
      It's biased as fuck and either demonstrates a complete lack of understanding in procurement or was just written in bad faith.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reality has an anti-NGSW bias.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Number one exporter of tungsten is China
        >Army wants to adopt a rifle that needs this as a source ammo
        >Article has bias!!!1!1!!
        bruh

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if we hadn't abandoned nuclear power we could be making it out of depleted uranium

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The US, Canada, and Australia all have tungsten reserves in the millions of tons. It's just not worth investing the infrastructure into developing these deposits into viable mines because it's readily available for cheap on the free market from China and Vietnam at much lower labor rates and with little to no environmental or safety oversight.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >https://www.armytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2023/02/28/the-not-really-next-generation-weapons-program/
        ya the article isnt that well written. The issue is the NGSW program is shit. SO despite the article being written badly, and clearly biased, everything it says is true. So fuck off. NGSW is trash.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >https://www.armytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2023/02/28/the-not-really-next-generation-weapons-program/
    What wildly biased, bad-faith-argued opinion piece, holy shit.
    The NGSW has a heap of issues and caveats, but this shit's written like a seething PrepHoletard boomer in any one of the million and a half threads bitching about this rifle we had to suffer through. I still think the project is probably going to settle on URG-I or some mid-sized frame derivative between an AR-10 and 15, but I kinda want it to move forward just to see the fucking rage from morons like the author and OP.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that mud test? run by Karl the Kommunist

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't of made sense to stick with the SCAR-L and try to improve it? Atleast the SCAR-L would've been a better choice.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the SCAR-L is shit, should have just rolled with something closer to the actual AR-10

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wow what a retard you are.
        Your aero shitpile isnt justasgood as a scat.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          stupid moron conflating price with quality

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Your aero shitpile isnt justasgood as a scat.
          >shit isn’t as good as shit
          I believe they are

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FN was dropped early in the testing. They submitted a SCAR offshoot (HAMR) and their LMG the EVOLYS.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >FN was dropped early in the testing
        yeah, well maybe the "testing" was utter bullshit, seeing how much of a failure their chosen rifle was.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well prove it then you stupid fuck

          Defense contractor whistle blowers get paid $$$ when they blow the whistle.

          > the federal False Claims Act, 31 U.S.C. §§ 3729 - 3733, offers that whistleblower between 15% and 30% of the total government recovery.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it IS bullshit dude. sig products in the last 5 years are extremely hit or miss quality-wise in the civilian sector. and yet you claim everything is fine? dont you see the disconnect there? and you dont find it questionable that they were chosen for nearly every other unrelated contract, like service pistol?

            this "testing process" reeks. maybe its not enough of a problem to warrant whistle blowing, but it's definitely questionable.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sig passes the tests, they just underbid the fuck out of the competition. Glock tried a GAO protest of the handgun competition and lost. The protest wasn't even on testing grounds, but because the army only selected one gun.

              https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/06/modular-handgun-system-4.html

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                didnt know us army was poorfags

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Army actually unironically tries to not dump taxpayer money in the fire pit
                > FUCKING POORFAGS

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                either the u.s army bought it because it is the cheapest, and therefore it's a trash rifle OR the selection process was unfair.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are unironically retarded anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are coping. all sig products are enormously problematic, their mil shit is the same way. just wait

                m4s on mars.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Still don't get how the MCX has problems after 3 generations and being a glorified AR18.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except for it being heavy the Gen 2 MCX has no problems.

                I haven’t seen anyone report problems with the Gen 3 either.

                For the record I fucking hate SIG.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >new sig LT loses rail zero by hitting barrel with an open palm
                lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hmmm. I wasn’t gonna buy it anyway.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I believe that because nu-sig but do you have proof?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly not enough of an improvement to be worth it. The only good thing about the NGSW program was that they ordered ammo and rifle together.

      caseless or telescoped ammo is the future. make it relieable. Then make it light enough to carry a shitton, make the recoil small enough to make sustained fire and followup shots easy and if that's done lets talk about punching through double masonry, engine blocks or level X glowmoron plates.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chasing AP is always a meme. Plates cycle out of inventory so rapidly, making a stronger one is not logically difficult or just issuing a supplemental trauma plate to get the rating up. The fact that 277 pushed to the limit with some Gucci core is just able to eat lvl 4 does not inspire confidence as to the long term capability of armor pen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wouldn't of

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sig employees at full force in this thread.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah. Not enough misspellings or grammatical errors.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The scope on the SIG NGSW literally has components Made in China. How does anyone suspect that his rifle will pull through? If war breaks loose with China, does anyone really think were going to continue to manufacturer the Scope for this rifle?

    >inb4 muh berry compliance will open factories on US soil

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you retarded?

      Any military contracts need special waivers for non-US sourced components, and to get approved for that waiver you have to PROVE that a US company doesn't provide the same component/product/service and that you HAVE to use the foreign company.

      Oh and these waivers need to be done every 12-18 months and if a US supplier becomes available you HAVE to switch to them.

      The XM157 is not produced in China or using Chinese sourced components.
      Vortex the company DOES have manufacturing in China, but the XM157 is entirely removed from that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >his rifle
      NI-HAO SIR

      Anyway, all chinese manufacturing is low-tech shit, so easily replaceable in other countries lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The source the article uses for that is some retard boomer googling "where are vortex made", ignoring the fact it says the razor line is made in house, and then going "oh gee I mean they don't specifically say it's not Chinese"
      Here's the video that's cited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zw99c_gbYs

      https://i.imgur.com/sk8gEuW.jpg

      Did the "civilian testing" the author mentioned use the 6.8 equivalent to the M855A1 EPR?

      The civilian testing is a youtube video shooting a lvl 4 plate with the civilian .277 fury, not the military round 6.8x51. Now would it pen level 4? I don't think so, but there's little info on m80a1 let alone 6.8 mil loading.

      >Number one exporter of tungsten is China
      >Army wants to adopt a rifle that needs this as a source ammo
      >Article has bias!!!1!1!!
      bruh

      The ammo is hardened steel, like m855a1 or m80a1. The general issue ammo was never going to be tungsten core, but special purpose like 995 and 993.

      https://i.imgur.com/ZlYrHYS.jpg

      >Mud test featuring cringe antifa satanist Karl where he fills the chamber and fire control with goo and then acts surprised when the rifle doesnt function.
      >Retarded Texans on a range with civilian FMJ .277 ammunition (Non AP, non steel core, not the high pressure mil loads) shooting level IV plates

      The rifle passed the same NATO mud test that every other rifle was subjected to
      NO ONE is allowed to possess or use the military high-pressure ammunition, in testing, the spent cartridges were sent back to the military for secrecy.
      This guy has written this same fucking article 4 times now and only now is he getting a critical response, pathetic chink shilling this afternoon.

      The claim about the mud test isn't even true, it fires just fine when the mud is poured on the closed ejection port. It's after it cleared the first round and then had mud put on the open port did it malfunction.

      Army wanted a new DMR. This is how they get one. Initial order will be filled a given out as needed to forward facing units. M4 on Mars.

      Maybe, but they already had the CSASS/m110a1 which was a suppressed hk417 and those were pretty new. https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/03/30/squad-level-sniper-rifle-to-complete-fielding-by-next-year/

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but you can throw an AR-15 into the mud ejection port down with the cover open and it works just fine
        not sure why quoting literally Karl Kasarda on this is trendy though

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Absolutely the AR-15 works better, but to pretend the xm5 can't take mud at all is untrue and it shows he's lying about the video he's citing. It performs similarly to every other AR style short stroke piston.

          https://i.imgur.com/RSfqkwd.png

          This is the sloppiest, most retarded hit piece I've read in a while. The authors background is full of bitching about the NGSW. I believe the program is a retarded on a fundamental level, but this is just fucking stupid.

          >selected an operating system less hardy in battlefield environments
          The InRange mud gayry is not a real test, but this guy cites it like a critical flaw and then goes on to insinuate that all piston guns are worse.

          Then he bitches about AP capability for the round, despite nobody having the M855A1-eaque 6.8 projectile. An all together retarded argument since even he admits
          >the Army never set this goal
          Doesn't have any information, just vague rumor mill bullshit.

          Next, he complains that it's too similar to 7.62 NATO, again with no justification and some hand waving. He tries to claim the ICSR program "failed" while ignoring that the ICSR was shut down to make way for NGSW. He brings up the M110A1 snipers and says those are assault rifles.

          Fucking had waves the NGSW sight and says that you still have to shoot, so it's useless.

          The NGSW is a program that is the result of caliber fanboys highjacking the actually useful LSAT program and cranking out an abortion. It was justified by rare occasions in Afghanistan where the Taliban would plink from maximum range with a PK machine gun and the Army unit only had 5.56 to shoot back. Fundamentally, it reduces the firepower available for maneuver forces to suppress and pin the enemy. It took all the worst, edge-case lessons from Afghanistan and tried to say that those pointed to the future of LSCO.

          It is so wrong in many ways, but this blathering retard fucking got it completely wrong.

          He's an autrailian "CT and insurgency expert" with no real backing and has apparently been crying about the NGSW for years.

          >The InRange mud gayry is not a real test,
          It's verifiable, falsifiable, and repeatable. AR-15's consistently do well while AK's and pistons don't.
          Doesn't matter how big a fag Karl is, the test is a test.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >falsifiable
            do you even know what this means? it refers to hypothesises not tests and means it can be logically contradicted, its literally the OPPOSITE to verifiable

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought the Razor line was made in Japan?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >to meet its base criteria of penetrating Level 4 body armor (unassisted)
    Did this surprise literally anyone?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sig yids on suicide watch

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mud test featuring cringe antifa satanist Karl where he fills the chamber and fire control with goo and then acts surprised when the rifle doesnt function.
    >Retarded Texans on a range with civilian FMJ .277 ammunition (Non AP, non steel core, not the high pressure mil loads) shooting level IV plates

    The rifle passed the same NATO mud test that every other rifle was subjected to
    NO ONE is allowed to possess or use the military high-pressure ammunition, in testing, the spent cartridges were sent back to the military for secrecy.
    This guy has written this same fucking article 4 times now and only now is he getting a critical response, pathetic chink shilling this afternoon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >posting anime is totally proof

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The rifle passed the same NATO mud test that every other rifle was subjected to
      >NO ONE is allowed to possess or use the military high-pressure ammunition, in testing, the spent cartridges were sent back to the military for secrecy.
      It never went through testing yet, what the fuck are you talking about?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Operational testing is totally different from the selection testing criteria for the NGSW contract selection.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Operational testing is not the same as the functional and selection T&E the weapons went through in initial trials.
        You are quoting a now defunct article from a nobody that was pasted into Wikipedia, please don't reply to me any futher.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn't understand that operational testing follows the torture testing in adoption trials
        beyond retarded

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All true, siggers seething.
    The NGSW WILL be cancelled.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously asking companies to shoehorn as many arbitrary features into a gun as possible while competing to do so at the lowest possible cost just means you're going to get a bunch of vaporware shit. Keep your internal list of requirements and preferred features, but don't use that as the entire basis of the project. Let companies field their own designs, bring their own features to the table. Test everything. There should be dozens of rifles for consideration, not three.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There were dozens of rifles for consideration. The three were the only ones that made it passed initial testing. The DoD also took a much more hands off approach to this trial for the reasons you mention, which made previous weapon trials fail.
      >arbitrary features
      Do you know what arbitrary means?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        None of the features matter for anything besides making sure sig got the contract

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >none of the features matter
          Name the features and tell us why they don't matter, then. You don't seem to know the first thing about the program or the rifles

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Name the features
            it fires a 6.8mm cartridge at 3000 fps.

            That's the only feature of the rifle, and it doesn't matter.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks, I accept your concession. We can't all be winners anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >dozens
        Was it? I only heard about DesertTech, FN, and 2 others I can't remember besides the 3 finalists.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not dozens, but it was quite a few. Granted, alot of them were rejected out of hand because they didn't even attempt to meet the requirements.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Opinion
    > Allan Orr
    > Who is a random Australian

    Thanks?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the sloppiest, most retarded hit piece I've read in a while. The authors background is full of bitching about the NGSW. I believe the program is a retarded on a fundamental level, but this is just fucking stupid.

      >selected an operating system less hardy in battlefield environments
      The InRange mud gayry is not a real test, but this guy cites it like a critical flaw and then goes on to insinuate that all piston guns are worse.

      Then he bitches about AP capability for the round, despite nobody having the M855A1-eaque 6.8 projectile. An all together retarded argument since even he admits
      >the Army never set this goal
      Doesn't have any information, just vague rumor mill bullshit.

      Next, he complains that it's too similar to 7.62 NATO, again with no justification and some hand waving. He tries to claim the ICSR program "failed" while ignoring that the ICSR was shut down to make way for NGSW. He brings up the M110A1 snipers and says those are assault rifles.

      Fucking had waves the NGSW sight and says that you still have to shoot, so it's useless.

      The NGSW is a program that is the result of caliber fanboys highjacking the actually useful LSAT program and cranking out an abortion. It was justified by rare occasions in Afghanistan where the Taliban would plink from maximum range with a PK machine gun and the Army unit only had 5.56 to shoot back. Fundamentally, it reduces the firepower available for maneuver forces to suppress and pin the enemy. It took all the worst, edge-case lessons from Afghanistan and tried to say that those pointed to the future of LSCO.

      It is so wrong in many ways, but this blathering retard fucking got it completely wrong.

      He's an autrailian "CT and insurgency expert" with no real backing and has apparently been crying about the NGSW for years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This guy gets it. The XM7 in theory would make a pretty good DMR. Certainly the cartridge is likely going to be "better" than M80A1. The belt fed is going to be a great new machinegun. Lighter than the SAW, firing a round equivalent to the M240, sounds awesome. There's definitely salient arguments to be made that the 6.8TVCM in an M110 or M110A1 would be a better DMR. Ultimately having 30% more weight and 30% less ammo makes any arguments in support of this as a standard infantry rifle utterly moot. Anyone who's ever been ambushed (even by a PKM at 800m) will tell you volume of accurate fire on target wins gunfights. I would hate to have to try and break contact or move to contact with a 20rnd magazine and only 140-160rnds of 6.8wonderwaffle.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Doesn't pen armor

    The round that it will use to pen armor has not been released yet.

    >we won't be able to get tungsten once we go to war with china. so ap rounds are pointless

    LMAO. That's the whole point of this rifle. It is going to use a locally sourced benetrator. This benetrator will be announced at some point in the future. It's why the ammo contract basically says "the army will supply the bullets".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >w-we'll have the new AP round in two more weeks!!!!
      made of what? steel doesnt work that well, tungsten is too hard to get. solid copper?

      civilians have tested nearly everything you can think of. this cartridge doesn't do what they said it would.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > M855A1 analogue in .277 PISSIN' HOT won't pen level 4
        Copium

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only copium is Siggers thinking standard issue rounds can beat level IV. A .300WM with M2AP which is a heavier bullet going faster than 6.8 doesn’t pen. A sharper tip isn’t going to make 6.8 pen

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .A.N.G.E.
            But that's fucking wrong tbh

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I enjoy the king of the hill meme, butbi don't think it's that controversial to say that 6.5 is a slight improvement over .308. Like maybe 5% better transonic range

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              RMA stops 3 and the 4th penetrates. RMA is not a high end level IV

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > made of what?

        We don't know. For some reason they aren't telling us. Anyone claiming to know what it is is lying.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The cost COULD indicate tungsten, but it could ALSO indicate some super special non-tungsten alloy penetrator that is still expensive to produce in small batches but could become much cheaper and easier to produce than tungsten in the long term.

          But yea, we don't really know.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"the army will supply the bullets"
      Oh no no no...

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no surprise, sig shit is garbage

    i feel bad for the people who spent $5k on preorders

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    from the start i thought it should be used for SOF units only
    it really makes the most sense, its short enough for cqb but it has long range capabilities too

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's never too late

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Swap on an Mlok handguard and 1913 top rail and she's one of the best combat rifles.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        literally g36k

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, what a cool looking rifle. I remember when I first saw that in the 2000s. I literally thought the military was going to space with that gun. Too bad a bunch of brown people accepted it.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Sig NGSW Rifle Failed, US Military is not Adopting it

    Where does it say that?

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We're really getting ak's and ar's on mars aren't we..?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what happened to the tax money they alloted to buy them? Guys... what happened to the tax money?!

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it turns out to either be true or eventually become true, I would be utterly unsurprised. The whole thing being nothing but a way to sell a piston ar-10 for 8 grand, plus all their other garbage guns now that they're MiLiTaRy GrAdE, makes complete sense. One garden gnome in procurement and Cohen are laughing all the way to the bank.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is this news to anybody? Everyone with half a brain new this was a way to keep SIG on a retainer. Everyone knew that fucking 80psi was gonna burn the barrels in record time. Nobody wanted this thing anyway. It's a meme leftover from afghanistan were people with aimpoints and 14.5 inches cried about not getting hits on hajis 800 meters away.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the article is an opinion piece and has nothing to do with any decisions the army are making.

      They have no plans to cancel the XM7 as of right now. OP is just baiting people like yourself who don't actually read and just want to celebrate SIG being fucked, despite that not actually happening.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In what way am I celebrating SIG getting fucked over? My stated theory is that SIG was given this contract to keep them afloat and prevent braindrain. I don't think that was stupid to do.

        What I did think was stupid was pretending level 4 armor is so arcane it's not going to be surpassed in the next 2 decades and we're gonna be shooting at those plates from 400 m away with a weekly barrel change. And true, the other contestants might not have the 80k psi meme to worry about, but the entire concept of "forget about fire and maneuver, forget about suppression, we're gonna drop chinks from half a click away with our new guns and 20 round mags, day or night, jungle or urban jungle, no matter what." was utterly retarded.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The M17/18 contract wasn't enough for SIG to be kept afloat?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Personally I think it's more like a retainer. Like give them some cash so their engineers keep busy and maybe we'll need them in a few years. Not like a dramatic "we gotta save SIG" or anything.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Given what the SPEAR sells for on the civilian market, I'm pretty sure the company will be fine.

            >Get government contract
            >Immediately triple prices
            Many such cases

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hi bocch

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Given what the SPEAR sells for on the civilian market
              Not a fan of the ~$6100 price tag for a 7.62 AR?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                6.5CM and 6.8x51 models supposedly coming later this year.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When a SCAR is the value option...and SR25's are cost competitive...yeah no. Yet these things sell out as soon as they are in stock.

                Also super pumped for the new Steyr DMR.

                (apologies for linking the homosexual's channel)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                somebody give Russel the half a million he needs to make a polymer AR-10 and then chamber it in .277 Fuck You

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Going to be really funny when we learn standard AR308 receivers can take 277 meme barrels with new bolts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                6.8's parent case is .308. Mags and bolt would both support it, you'd just need to change the barrel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SPEAR has those beefed up locking lugs. I want the full 80k load next to my face.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not just the locking lugs, they ALSO made the barrel THICC with a much slower taper.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's literally a funny AR-10 with fat locking lugs and a chonk barrel

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's what it looks like. We can make this work. I'm sure someone has already started the process.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I thought LMT had made some 6.8 uppers for the brits to try out a year or so ago?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No idea, but if LMT isn't a fly by night operation, so that lends credence to it working.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What makes tfbtv homosexual? He's the only gun YouTuber that doesn't seem to live in a bubble.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/PWTszf6.png

                6.5CM and 6.8x51 models supposedly coming later this year.

                So can you even buy the super fun pissing hot military round? Or is it another 5.7 deal where the cool ammo is gonna be LE/MIL only?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nope, no fun rounds for (you)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You will never ever buy the fun rounds, aside from the occasional 'stolen from the military' handful.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Riflelet here (I only have pistols), when I browse the rifle section on gun sites I've never understood what the advantage is of more expensive generic nato rifles is? Like wtf does this do that makes it worth 6k vs a PSA AR with similar barrel length? I just don't understand what the difference is between brands when its all the same gas system, rifle length, caliber, etc etc

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its meme unicorn shit thats new and thus more expensive.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That gun is not worth 6k. You are paying for a brand.

                More expensive guns are:
                >Higher quality materials
                >Higher standard of machine work
                >Assembled by white people
                >Built to a repeatable standard of quality

                SIG at best meets 1 of these criteria.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the price will come down, it only just released a few days ago. I was thinking the real MSRP would be closer to $4k.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're poor, we get it. Don't let your poverty blind you into believing that your shitty PSA is anywhere near as good as something like a ADM, or even higher yet, a KAC or LMT.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I want to meet the “people” who buy these

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know the guys who have an in-box unfired M17 on Gunbroker for like $8000? Yeah them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >6.1K plus tip for semi auto garbage

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SIG sold those guns basically at-cost.
            That program was SIG's foot in the door.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its also a bold assumption any nation is fielding personal armor after initial stockpiles are emptied in a total war scenario. Remember Korea.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    M4s and LSATs on Mars!

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The purpose of big business is to take taxpayer money and deliver nothing. This was a success for SIG.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except the OP just posted his own wet dream.

      The reality is the army is going full speed ahead with the XM7 as of right now.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait is this clown really citing a guntuber that shoots level IV plates with lead core ammo?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He also cites garand thumb for how the scope works, and whines that it's not really self aiming since you have to manually laser to get distance before getting your holdover.
      He also sites some retard googling "where are vortex scopes made" and seeing China mentioned and then speculates "well the new scope could be chinese" as a source.
      And an inrange mud test for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vortex scopes are not Berry compliant. They're just as Chinesium as a Primary Arms SLX. Kek

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Vortex scopes are not Berry compliant.

          You're actually retarded if you think the XM157 is made like their other non-Razor scopes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Vortex is not Berry Compliant, only Leopold (Mk 4-8's) and Trijicon (ACOG) were able to achieve 100% Made in the USA.
            Cope harder chinktoid

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So what component(s) are they getting a waiver for?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Don't forget SIG of all companies, their Romeo 4Tangos, are berry compliant. In use by FBI HRT bois

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Vortex scopes are not Berry compliant
          Lmao got a fucking source there buddy? You can make a shit ton of money if you can prove it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If that's the new steel bodied issue mag, it looks like a D&H AR10 mag in FDE minus the witness holes.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >/opinion

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LOL you fags never realized the "author" is a fucking ChatGPTbot used for clickbait articles.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of believing an article, I'll wait until real footage of owners pops up before making my decision. But yeah, it's waaayy too fucking heavy for an infantry gun. 6.8Fury or 6mmARC, I do believe one of these will be the next generation round and I'm leaning 6mmARC.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >real owners
      >$6,000
      the only people who own it are sig reps and people who dont shoot

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As previously mentioned, that's more than an SR25...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We only have 1 price to go on so far as far as I know. Still not sure if that's the actual MSRP set by SIG or not.

          If it's just a single seller upcharging a bit because they're the only ones selling it so far, then the actual MSRP could be closer to $4-5k which would put it in line with the SR-25.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's the dealer linked on the SIG website.

            https://www.sigsauer.com/spear.html

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Guns.com isn't really the best source for pricing is all I'm saying.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >put it in line with the SR-25
            And that's the problem. Because the SR-25 is 10 times the gun it will ever be.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wait til it gets in people's hands at least.

              A 7.62 MCX SPEAR 16" vs a 7.62 SR-25 16" would be a nice comparison to see.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'll pit it against a PA10. The PA will win.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then do it and get a million views on youtube you stupid prick.

                All this shit talk and none of you fucks will ever actually compare the two because you're poorfag morons in the first place.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ur le poorfag because u can't waste 6k on goyslop
                ok retard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >current sig not known as a precision rifle maker
                >AR-10 proven to be reliable on adverse conditions to AR-18s
                Accuracy and reliability are the top concerns in the civilian world. I won’t say PSA is better. But something 1/3rd of the price will be

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically mogs you.
                >1 MOA
                >over 2lbs lighter
                >Better trigger
                >1/3 the cost
                >Multi adjustable gas block

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mogs me in what? I said AR10s are better

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ahahahAhahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahahaha
    SiG more like SHiT
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /k/oping and seething.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i just dont like it bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          laffed

          6/10

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              3/10 ngmi

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"The XM-5/7 as it turns out fails a single round into a mud test."
    is the sigger rifle the one with that forward placed ejection port? lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, that's the Textron rifle. Incidentally the ejection port placement didn't come up as an issue in testing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Incidentally the ejection port placement didn't come up as an issue in testing

        You have a copy of the report? because the tactical rifleman video they showed it in had to cut away right before the stupid location of the ejection port being right where the support hand goes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the tactical rifleman video had to cut away.
          I rewatches it the last time you said this and no, they didn't. Unless you can time stamp it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I rewatches it

            you must go back ESL fag.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Kek, nice deflection fag. Time stamp it or get the fuck out

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Sig loses NGSW contract
    >Uncle Sugar pulls out
    >Sig loses all protection from Uncle Sugar
    >Class action lawsuits over P320 deaths and injuries go forward.
    Sigsters, the end is near, we better find another brand before its embarassing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's over for the garden gnomes

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why SIG is getting the axe is mainly due to the fact that the USA has found a new source to procure Tungsten from other than China. The "lessons learned from GWOT" is a cover story, and the brass knows that. China used to account for about almost 1/3 of our total imports for Tungsten. Tungsten is used for M995, M993, etc. in small arms, which are critical when you're fighting against a horde of geared chinks wearing level III-IV plates. Adding chinesium quality into the equation, level III even though advertised for level IV.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This reads like a retarded hit piece and doesn't site any sources. It doesn't actually say the army isn't adopting the XM7, either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "This reads like a retarded hit piece"
      Well yeah, that's because it is.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wjy don't they use the "special" process to make the 6.8 to 5.56 and 7.62?
    Would that be more cost effective?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because that would make pic related happen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cool it with the antisemitism anon. How would mr Cohen make any money that way?

      In all seriousness, yes they should have. I’m fine switching 7.62 for 6.8 or 7 or 6.5. They have better BCs and size/weight is similar. Switching from 5.56 to full size is dumb. I would be all over the hybrid steel case in 5.56 if they did that in a smart way and they were reloadable. In theory you just need a bolt and barrel swap. But even an entire upper would be fine. If you could through 75/77gr at say 3300-3400 fps that would be insane. Or basic 55gr at 3700 fps for .22-250 velocities. Yes you still have the downsides of the extra pressure and burning barrels. But AR barrel swaps are pretty easy and you save that money by not having to buy a whole new gun. Even if the military didn’t want it, civilian shooters would

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >75/77gr at 3300-3400 fps
        >55gr at 3700 fps
        Projectile length may start to eat case capacity, but I'm down. 308 with 300 Ultra Mag performance.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t think you’d have any issue with case capacity. You’d just need different powders or more compressed loads. Those bullets are normal for the “regular” version and same with 6.8. It’s just cranked up to obscene pressures

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't doing this to 6.5 sneed just be 277 fury?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              pretty much, just a slightly different bullet.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah just slightly smaller. Like I said with my first post, I’m not against the idea of a hybrid round. I’m sure it’ll have teething issues but the concept isn’t terrible. I’m against replace a soft shooting intermediate round you can carry a shitload of with a magnum rifle round that’s much heavier

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because that would make pic related happen.

      This. Here's an M1A SOCOM when introduced w/ a an overcharged round. Will need a complete resign of rifle, reinforcing upper receiver and barrel chamber, bulkier bolt, etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/maKm80A.jpg

        Wjy don't they use the "special" process to make the 6.8 to 5.56 and 7.62?
        Would that be more cost effective?

        Because that would make pic related happen.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. This rifle was very fuckin interesting, but super heavy when fully decked out, and had what looked like bad recoil. Also requires the use of a suppressor from the report. Also burned through barrels. Very cool niche rifle though. The new machine gun, on the other hand is great. I know they’re worried about ballistics of 5.56 at long ranges, and it’s time to rethink having a 20” barrel again. Literally just have 2 weapon systems. M4s and reintroduce the m16. If you need 7.62 power, either bust out the old scars, or get an AR10 variant.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The OP lied, the army isnt canceling shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Full Auto M4s, M16s and AR-10s would fix all the "problems" that lead to this gay gay rifle in the first place. There's still a chance that's whats actually going to happen.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >spend years looking
    >spend billions designing
    "Nah, we are gonna use the ones we got"
    It happened 15 years ago, its gonna happen again.Its a slush fund

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should have just done 5.56 plastic cases and adopted a new SAW in 7.62.
    Give the fancy scopes to designated marksmen and SAW gunners.

    That feels like the best use of technology on offer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      277 fuck you is a cool cartridge though

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.sigsauer.com/xm/refunds

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >https://www.sigsauer.com/xm/refunds
      hey whats up with the link its 404?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No refunds, stupid goy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          🙁

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what you are saying is the DoD spent a shit ton of money on some bullshit project and achieved nothing, only to use the same basic shit they started with?

    It's UCP all over again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole purpose of the NGSW is purely politics. Its meant to screw over the surplus market and be a gungrab and red tape away from the civilian market by locking this gun behind the NFA and GCA. This gun's purpose is to destroy the civilian gun market. So, fuck this rifle. Its the enemy of the people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It isn't like you can buy a surplus m4, once a machine gun always a machine gun

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          economy of scale for 556NATO and huge commercial market through "technically not milsurp but milsurp"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why would that go away? It's not like people are going to stop buying it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and even if it wasn't they are all still SBRs which is a hoop many aren't willing to jump through or simply can't

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It isn't like you can buy a surplus m4, once a machine gun always a machine gun
          That's not the point, you're not looking at the long-term effects behind the NGSW.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is the most schizo argument I've heard against this rifle, congrats. I don't think anyone before has tried to stretch that far to date

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, the article is a complete joke

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's UCP all over again.
      Yes, it is UCP all over again and its a waste of more tax payer money.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Journalist" makes an abhorrent piece because all he did was read tittles
    >"People" spread bad information because they only read the tittles

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine unironically owning a Sig

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine talking like a fag

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we fucking won

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >army times
    No matter how much you want it to be true, it's just not

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Boomer Green Beret thinking about the last war and not the data linked future war where infantry will have to square off against armored drones.

      Color me shocked. Just look at how far the engagement distances are in Ukraine, even early on. COIN is dead, no one is going to be going room to room clearing buildings anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good morning sir, now state your credentials.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Good morning sir, now state your credentials.

          Someone with a brain that is actually watching the next war unfold live.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Someone with a brain that is actually watching the next war unfold live.
            This is you:

            ?t=2463

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >This is you:

              Nah I actually served (2012-2018). Spent a lot of time either at Bragg or overseas testing pretty much everything going into the data-linked, connected future, except for the XM7. Every time we had a force on force where one side didn't have shit like IVAS, thermal fusion NVG's, or other smart shit (like even just have ATAK on those stupid Samsung EUDs), it was a complete bloodbath.

              Hell my one of our infantry platoons held off an entire UK battalion sized force (2 Para) just because we could see and target them before they could even see us. You'd be retarded to not have a weapon that could take advantage of that range at the individual level.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the NGSW pulls through and its used in a near future war. History repeats itself and its basically going to be the next M14 with the shortest service life.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thread that only comes alive at night because of course it does. Never during the day when most people are actually using their brains.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. We should be using M-14's anyway.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wtf happened to Sig? They used to make some of the highest quality guns around and everything they put out has to fail for the first few years before they get it right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sig Sauer in germany closed their factory down in 2020. and ~~*Cohen*~~ took over the US corporation. So Nu-Sig is a US company ran by ~~*Cohen*~~.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sig Sauer in Germany and Sig Sauer US have been totally separated since 2000.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sig Sauer in Germany and Sig Sauer US have been totally separated since 2000.
          Not like that matters anymore. Sig Sauer Germany is defunct.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just saying, the post I was replying to seemed to imply SIG US only JUST started this shit after SIG Germany shut down in 2020. Which has no bearing on SIG US operations since they've been separate companies for so long.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why is that? Never really followed the situation but Walther and HK are both still operational in Germany right?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Walther and HK are both still operational in Germany right?
              Yes. Unless something horrible happens. But for now, yes.

              Just saying, the post I was replying to seemed to imply SIG US only JUST started this shit after SIG Germany shut down in 2020. Which has no bearing on SIG US operations since they've been separate companies for so long.

              I despise what Cohen is doing. Literally outsourcing work to India... wtf...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SIG formerly SAN Swiss Arms formerly Original SIG makes great high quality products. SIG Sauer is an American Company. They are both owned by L&O holdings. L&O also owns prestigious brands such as Blaser, Mauser, Rigby, JP Sauer, among others. The American made stuff is of a rather different quality to the others.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sako M23

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