Fellow shotgun user, do you have a good shotgun placard for me ? I'm not looking for Larp tier shit, but money is not an issue.
Will mostly be innawoods, so rounds should be well secured.
I feel like shotgun in tactical use don't get a lot of love here.
just throw your shells in one of these. How many do you need to be available at a moment's notice innawoods
>How many do you need to be available at a moment's notice innawoods
If it's any more than three in the gun you better hope you don't get busted by the game warden otherwise prepare your butthole....
You can run drills innawoods, just don't do it during hunting season.
>Not shooting the game warden and burying him in an unmarked shallow grave
Ngmi
Yes commit murder cause minor inconvenience.
Frick morons like you are why we have gays purposing gun control
Wasted digits.
There is nothing "minor" about what a game warden can do to you.
Its hella minor to just onky have 3 rounds in your shotgun while hunting migratory birds.
You ain't doing it as your sole source of food son, you could just cary more ammo or i don't know buy ducks and raise them if its so important to have 5 riubds while hunting
Unironically yes. Frick the forest jannies. It’s my own land.
Also the entire purpose of the 2nd amendment is to kill government employees.
>blaming shitposters for gun control
No you fricking moron, they want to disarm you because they hate you.
3 in the gun is migratory only. I can shoot pheasants with a 25 round drum if I want (I don’t want, it makes the vepr far worse for wing shooting). I also am unconstrained by capacity rules hunting rabbits, squirrels, doves, partridge, or deer.
I don't think you'd need that many to take down a game warden.
>just throw your shells in one of these
and watch as they all spill out the moment you have to do anything remotely acrobatic
When the frick are you flipping upside down?
Anon
This. I ran numerous open top pouches in Iraq as a lowly zogbot. I fell down plenty of sand dunes out side Najaf and never once lost a mag.
>I feel like shotgun in tactical use don't get a lot of love here.
that's because a shotgun for general tactical use *IS* silly. The whole concept is larping. Shotguns have two tactical uses and they're both super niche. One is breaching, the other is firing less-lethal ammunition like bean bags or rubber buckshot.
If you want to fight get a rifle. Better range, better terminal ballistics, more accurate, lower recoil for faster followup shots, ammo is much smaller and lighter which means you can carry more.
A shotgun is a tool for hunting birds and small game and is sporting equipment for the games of skeet, trap, 5-stand, sporting clays, etc. Video games and movies have convinced people they are something they are not. And that something is a general purpose fighting weapon.
Shotguns are shit in most video games. I can think of one shooter off the top of my head, Planetside 2.
Planetside 2 shotguns have a oneshot range if they headshot so they can pretty good inside but drop off hard fast once you start putting more than two feet of distance between you and other people. TTK is way too low though so if you miss you die if the other player isn't shit.
>Video games and movies have convinced people they are something they are not
The US Military, UK Military, and NZ Military all disagree with you.
Shotguns are brilliant in jungle warfare/dense woodland, and are also great for close quarters for ambushes and fighting out of them as you can pepper an area with shot.
If I had to pick one would I choose just the shotgun? Hell no.
>only a tool for game and sport
>not viable
I'm thankful for no boomstick morons like you anon, you're the very reason anti-gun cucks have not the faintest frickin clue how incredible shotguns really are.
Don't you remember the Germans crying so hard about trench brooms to the point they tried to ban them in warfare? If you want a modern example then just look at the US SWAT teams lol.
>If you want a modern example then just look at the US SWAT teams lol.
You mean the guys who use exclusively rifles except for door breaching?
I like shotguns. They are great at certain things but they are less versatile than rifles.
>Shotguns are less versatile than rifles.
I'm gonna say that's a big ol' steamy pile of horseshit, my dude.
In terms of combat they absolutely are. This thread has been about shooting people, not animals. Obviously shotguns are better for a lot of hunting applications.
If you think of it in terms of simple mathematics, then you can dump lead exponentially into a room with a shotty. Rifles fire in a linear function.
You can believe what you want but in most circumstances I'd rather have a semi auto shotgun with shot cards and a sling.
>then you can dump lead exponentially into a room with a shotty. Rifles fire in a linear function.
Lol what? You can send more lead downrange in one trigger pull yes. But how the frick is it exponential?
>You can believe what you want but in most circumstances I'd rather have a semi auto shotgun with shot cards and a sling.
Depends on circumstances. What if it's 25 yards? What if it's 50? 200? A carbine is equally good at 3 yards as 300 yards. Accuracy, drop, follow up shots, general weight are all in it's favor. If shotguns had more overall combat practicality why do no armies field them?
>But how the frick is it exponential?
It's basic math. The function between trigger pulls, projectiles, and time.
>why do no armies field them?
The British and Americans did during the world wars. Even so I don't think military procurement and small arm selection aren't exactly telling of effectiveness of one or the other seeing as armies work on basic training standards and cooperation between it's various units and capabilities. It's a weak supporting argument but whatever, you do you.
You can enjoy rifle superiority all you want but I'm pretty confident with a shotgun on the timer and I prefer shotguns over rifles at 100 yards and in. I'm faster sighting and hitting targets than with a rifle and I use both in a competitive setting at comparable ranges.
The reason modern armies don't equip troops with shotguns as standard are mainly these:
Heavier weapon
Heavier ammo/Bulkier ammo meaning troops are carrying less
Significantly less effective at range/much more limited in its ideal range
Less accurate at range
Less stopping power at range
Much less effective against body armour
Much slower to reload
Much smaller magazine capacity meaning troops are reloading more often and slower which exacerbates the above point of less ammo per soldier
Worse penetration of cover at range
Higher probability of collateral at some ranges
With small mag size/longer reload they aren't capable of suppressive/sustained fire
Overall they have significant drawbacks as standard issue weapons.
>If shotguns had more overall combat practicality why do no armies field them?
I was in for 8 years.
The US Army fields the Mossberg 590A1 or M590A1.
It has a few uses: less-than-lethal rounds, door breach and yes, cqc.
If the guy who just breached a door is holding a shotgun when he does it, he'll be using that shotgun for the remainder of that building clearance.
It just doesn't make sense to swap back and forth when speed and violence of action are EVERYTHING.
>If the guy who just breached a door is holding a shotgun when he does it, he'll be using that shotgun for the remainder of that building clearance.
Yeah I get that. But what does the rest of the squad use? Is he the first guy through the door? If shotguns were always the best for CQC then why doesn't the point guy have one too?
Home defense isn't warfare so it is different. We have the luxury of sitting at the top of the stairs rather than going up them and room clearing. Waiting with #4 buck is a hell of a way to wait.
>Waiting with #4 buck is a hell of a way to wait.
Basically a mini claymore at that point.
I got one for a little over 390 a month ago
>If the guy who just breached a door is holding a shotgun when he does it, he'll be using that shotgun for the remainder of that building clearance.
I've seen photos of units from Iraq where the medic has a shotgun. I figured they used him to breech and step back while the infantry guys went in past him, plus the shotgun would be effective at close range if things really went sideways and the whole unit was being rushed. Anything to that, or did I just see a random pic of a crazy medic in a nonstandard situation?
>I've seen screenshots of battlefield 2 where the medic has a shotgun. I figured they used him to breech and step back while the infantry guys went in past him, plus the shotgun would be effective at close range if things really went sideways and the whole unit was being rushed. Anything to that, or did I just see a random pic of a crazy medic in a nonstandard situation?
If you can't give me an answer, than just be quiet. we're trying to have an adult conversation, here.
>Shotguns are for the designated breacher and only because he doesn't have time to switch to something better
Not much of a recommendation.
It's a funny thing; a man blasted by a 12 gauge is just as dead (if not slightly deader) as a man shot three times by a 5.56.
>If shotguns had more overall combat practicality why do no armies field them?
>who's going to tell him?
I will. Armies field shotguns to breach doors because it's easier than carrying a full set of mechanical breaching tools or teaching every moron to do explosive breaches.
Then why bother even training them how to shoot shotguns when all breaching involves is pressing them up against a door frame? Why bother with full length stocks when a shockwave will breach just fine?
>Depends on circumstances. What if it's 25 yards? What if it's 50? 200?
What home defense or self defense situation are you imagining with a 200 yard range requirement?
>dump lead exponentially into a room with a shotty. Rifles fire in a linear function
lmao what. that's still linear just with a different slope
real smoothbrain hours
That's funny.
I've never heard of a man survive two shots from a 12 gauge.
>every combat situation is shooting an unarmored man within 5 yards
How many people live by taking two rifle rounds to the chest?
combat situation is shooting an unarmored man within 5 yards
Unironically yes.
RaHoWa might sound great but it's never going to happen.
>How many people live by taking two rifle rounds to the chest?
I met a man who had taken four, so at least 1 I guess.
combat situation is shooting an unarmored man within 5 yards
>Unironically yes.
For HD then sure. But that's not every situation.
>It's basic math. The function between trigger pulls, projectiles, and time.
Please show me the math. I'd love to see what you consider exponential. You put 1 to 1 1/4oz of lead downrange every shot. That's linear too you moron.
>The British and Americans did during the world wars.
When intermediate caliber semi auto rifles didn't exist.
>Even so I don't think military procurement and small arm selection aren't exactly telling of effectiveness of one or the other seeing as armies work on basic training standards and cooperation between it's various units and capabilities.
Then why don't special forces or SWAT use them outside of breaching? It's not a procurement issue then.
>I prefer shotguns over rifles at 100 yards and in. I'm faster sighting and hitting targets than with a rifle and I use both in a competitive setting at comparable ranges.
What the hell are you shooting at 100 yards with a shotgun? I'm honestly curious I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm actually pro shotgun when they are used in the right circumstances. 100 yards is not the right circumstances. If you want to for HD go for it, it's a great choice. I have a different choice but that's fine. I just hate when people overexaggerate the realistic applications of what a gun can do. Shotguns are good 40-50 yards and in. By the same token, no your 10.5" AR isn't making 300 yard shots with a red dot. Both sides annoy me
>You put 1 to 1 1/4oz of lead downrange every shot. That's linear too you moron
Loving the disrespect Anon. What a pleasure.
Number of projectiles, not weight of lead because I think weight is irrelevant.
>What the hell are you shooting at 100 yards with a shotgun?
7/8 oz foster slugs, rifled choke.
I'm pretty sure SWAT and LE use rifles to avoid collateral damage, though many times with unskilled marksman, collateral damage is what they get.
>Number of projectiles, not weight of lead because I think weight is irrelevant.
Is still a linear number you idiot. What is EXPONENTIAL? You said it was. You said it was simple math. Show me and make me look stupid.
>7/8 oz foster slugs, rifled choke.
I'm not saying you can't use those at 100 yards because you clearly do. But slugs and a rifled choke is inferior to a rifle. You are trying to make it into one rather than just be one.
>I'm pretty sure SWAT and LE use rifles to avoid collateral damage, though many times with unskilled marksman, collateral damage is what they get.
Pigs don't care about collateral damage
Off topic.
Exponentiation is essentially repeated multiplication.
Exponential function, constant change in the independent variable gives the same proportional change. It depends entirely on pellet count.
>1 trigger pull sends x amount of projectiles
>next trigger pull also sends x amount of projectiles
It's a fixed quantity going downrange every time. It is more lead and projectiles than a rifle, but it's still a fixed quantity. Absolutely nothing about it is exponential.
You're a moron lmao. Shotguns are one of the most deadly fighting implements in the world. They take more training and dont fill every role. But they're highly effective fighting weapons.
>b-but muh gayshiteen meta
ARs are just fine. But one shot stop, dead right there at close ranges are the shotgun's niche. Can be accomplished indoors, in dense vegetation, around vehicles and at most domestic violent encounter ranges. For military applications they work well in tight urban combat and historically very well in trenches and jungle
Do you really think a 5.56, 5.45, or 7.62x39 to the chest isn't going to stop someone at close range? I'm not going to argue 12ga buckshot won't but I think a shotguns niche is versatility of ammunition.
Motherfricker there are countless bodycam videos in the US showing how crackheads can tank 9mm and 5.56. You don't see the same thing with shotguns.
Now consider body armour and even less so.
>inb4 "shot doesn't penetrate body armor"
It does find gaps though, especially at 50m.
Shotgun pros:
>good for snapshots such as someone running for cover/across a road
>good for shooting at bushes if you can't actually see exactly where the shooter is
>good for putting down targets permanently up to 100m
>accessible
>breaching rounds available, or if you don't actually have them, buck and slugs will do hinges fine
>Groovy
Shotgun cons:
>ammo is heavy
>low mag cap
>good luck if you don't have a rifle >100m
>Chicks just won't leave you alone
Do you happen to have a link to said video of someone tanking 5.56 to the chest?
>doesn't want to turn someone into spaghetti to send a message
ngmi
So that’s a no to the countless videos of people tanking 5.56. Good to know
Got em
>Motherfricker there are countless bodycam videos in the US showing how crackheads can tank 9mm and 5.56.
Please show me these videos of people tanking 5.56.
>he’s seriously comparing 9mm and 5.56
Rifles are rifles and pistols are pistols. There is no comparison
>good for snapshots such as someone running for cover/across a road
Yes
>good for shooting at bushes if you can't actually see exactly where the shooter is
Blindly shooting at things you can’t see isn’t a good idea. Also rifle bullets will penetrate through brush than buckshot pellets. If you use slugs than it’s basically a less accurate rifle.
>good for putting down targets permanently up to 100m
Lol. Shotguns are very lethal and certainly still lethal at 100m. You won’t hold a good pattern with buckshot that far and your pellets are dying by then. Even a 1oz slug is below 1000 fps and 1000 ft lbs of energy at 100 yards. It has barely more energy than 5.56 at 100 and they are equal in energy at 150 (assuming 55gr from a 16” or greater barrel). I’d still give the effect on target to a slug at 100m but they aren’t as accurate
>accessible
So are rifles
>breaching rounds available, or if you don't actually have them, buck and slugs will do hinges fine
Yes
It will stop them, even kill them most of the time. But not instantly every time. The two people I have seen shot with other people's 12 gauges were deader than a doornail before they hit the ground
I have 5 ARs in various calibers, they're great. They won't kill the average human any better in the confines of my home any better than any of my shotguns and the shotguns have gotten way more actual use, including medium game. I would honestly rather use it on larger game too with the right load.
Carbines are better yes, but that doesn't mean they suddenly stop being effective
>Carbines are better yes, but that doesn't mean they suddenly stop being effective
/Thread
>AR-15 guy accuses someone else of LARPing
>talks about "if you want to """""fight""""""" and carrying more ammo
cope more
>>I feel like shotgun in tactical use don't get a lot of love here.
>that's because a shotgun for general tactical use *IS* silly. The whole concept is larping. Shotguns have two tactical uses and they're both super niche. One is breaching, the other is firing less-lethal ammunition like bean bags or rubber buckshot.
>If you want to fight get a rifle. Better range, better terminal ballistics, more accurate, lower recoil for faster followup shots, ammo is much smaller and lighter which means you can carry more.
You've never been in a fight, you've never killed anyone or anything with a a firearm and every single thing you think you know is shit scraped of the internet written by other half witted useless little tards like you. You have no fricking idea what 00 does to a torso or how fast to point a shotgun is on a moving target. Not that you fricking care, the idea of a moving target to you is something form an FPS video game.
>A shotgun is a tool for hunting birds and small game
You are a fricking idiot and the rise of the millennial and the zoomer is the true rise of ideocracy and the death of civilisation.
You're wasting your time trying to convince that Anon otherwise. Shotguns are devastating and underrated.
It's the equivalent of telling a stubborn flat earther that the plant is a sphere. They have to discover the truth on their own or never.
Shotgun copelords seething, an AR-15, or even a PCC does everything better (inb4 autismos hunting birds or shooting doors)
>an AR-15, or even a PCC does everything better
Prove it
> (inb4 autismos hunting birds or shooting doors)
>Except stuff the shotgun does better.
how is the shotgun better indoors? at point blank range a pellet cloud is about as big as a gumball.
They don't overpenetrate as much and that pellet cloud is one ounce of lead.
>They don't overpenetrate as much
neither does 5.56 if you have frangible home defense ammo.
But that 5.56 isn't a one ounce ball of lead.
In one shot I have put at minimum 8 projectiles into that body.
I use 15pellet defense loads, however so 15 projectiles in less than one second have been sent that intruder's direction.
He's not getting up.
>muh more projectiles!
yeah and none of those lead balls have any magical physics damage, unlike 5.56
#4 buck delivers 27 6mm pellets. The effect is similar to being shot by CCI mini mags 27 times. If the pattern is 1" in diameter at a self defense distance and the exit wound is approximately 3" then there's a cone of absolute carnage in the body. I'm not discounting the effectiveness of 5.56, it's effective. However, pretending shotguns aren't effective at close range is completely absurd.
Id agree, shotguns are HIGHLY effective defensive tools, but ima also play some doubles advocate with a counter point here. A 77gr TMK from a flippin SBR will expand and start fragmenting within an inch or two, leaving a 2.5" exit wound through musculature and an even larger swath of destruction through any organs in between with decent but not crazy penetration. There are plenty of proofs of this on hunting forums with game from deer sized to moose throughout the internet. Personally i think that the per round potential of 5.56 is significantly underestimated while the per round potential of shotguns is mildly over estimated. Really the arguments for shotguns at this point are reduced penetration and availability of highly effective loads, which arent small and are why you should own some but the gap in frickyourdayup potential is a lot smaller than people think if youre willing to spring for the gucci shit.
Nothing is without flaw. I like the .223Rem. I like buckshot too.
Im aware of the kiwi and his hunting exploits with caliber conversations, i dont think its much of a counterpoint to the potential of top end 5.56 loads for defensive use at close ranges. at least that was my take away reading his stuff.
His work is dope af. Ive only read one of his books but I'm halfway through one of his others. Shits b***hin.
Impact velocity, projectile construction, and projectile frontal surface are all well and dandy but to multiply projectiles just compound the powahhh.
5.56 is dandy but it can't do that.
This is a topic I'm interested in, and have questions about. The military ball with its powerful wounding effect he mentions is largely caused by velocity. This is especially noted in Afghanistan, where longer range firefights showed a problem with M4s vs M16s. So then, if I have a 5.56 rifle/pistol with a very short barrel, should I be looking at those "varmint" rounds that are significantly lighter weight than military ball, but will get close to their velocity in a short barrel, or stick with the military weight loads and just realize that they're only going to be as effective at close ranges? Or both? lol
With a smaller barrel I'd actually go UP in grain size depending on the twist rate.
If you have a 1:8 or a 1:9 go with a 70gr or higher.
They don't have to.
I don't need premium ammunition to put a Black person in the dirt.
Regular buckshot will do it in any number.
#4, #1, #0 , #00, #000, they'll all do it.
There is no question about it "muh more projectiles " is a legitimate and fair point.
I've seen and spoken with people while seen a person survive multiple hits by a 5.56.
I've never heard of anyone surviving multiple 12 gauge shots
If you take 3 shots of #4 buck that's like being shot by a 22lr 81 times. You're not gonna frickin make it, lol.
Basically the point I was making.
That what a shotgun does, it just pumps a Black person full of lead.
>smartest shotgun gay
>yeah and none of those lead balls have any magical physics damage, unlike 5.56
Projectiles delivered simultaneously or in quick succession have a more damaging effect on the body than the sum of the individual projectiles themselves. So yes, it does have magical physics damage.
00 buck is eight or nine pellets, each one is somewhat similar to a round of .32 ACP (diameter, grains, velocity). At indoor distances depending on your setup and load you could be anywhere from a 1" pattern to 10" or so on center mass.
I am all about carbines, they're a Jack of all trades gun, but anyone in this thread thinking 5.56 is the end all be all wonder round at any distance is just kidding themselves. 5.56, or any rifle caliber round for that matter, is superior to 12ga 00 buck because you have capacity and range on your side.
All I am saying is 12ga 00 buck is best at indoor distances generally speaking. You may as well be arguing that 5.56 is better at 600y than .308, it's simply a moronic take.
>All I am saying is 12ga 00 buck is best at indoor distances generally speaking.
You have no data to support this.
You're parroting silly beliefs instead of facts.
Stop that shit.
>00 buck is eight or nine pellets, each one is somewhat similar to a round of .32 ACP (diameter, grains, velocity).
The 00 is generally going to be at higher velocity, really, which just makes it nastier than the otherwise-comparable .32ACP round.
Almost like getting hit by nine 7.62 Tokerovs
Typical defensive 5.56 and shotgun loads worth using(#1 and 00 buck) penetrate very similarly through house materials. We're talking about blowing through 7 interior walls or JUST 6 here, it really doesn't matter.
>Inb4 muh birdshot is a perfectly adequate choice
because the shotgun puts an obscene amount of energy into something
>12 gauge slug
500 grains @1500 fps
>9mm jhp
124 grains @1150 fps
>12 gauge 00 buck
450 grains @1200 fps
>thinking emoji
Also it has multiple wound tracks which means more bleeding and chances to hit CNS.
I will nitpick that slugs are usually 437.5gr (1oz), not 492gr (1-1/8oz).
>PCC does everything better
My frickin sides
I use an AR for HD but a shotgun beats a PCC. Hot 9mm or 45 is still a pistol round at the end of the day.
>pistol caliber carbine is more likely to stop in one shot than a 12 gauge slug
Lol, lmao even
A shotgun with 12ga 00 buck is king of the hill when it comes to one stop shot bar none. No practical small arm round or load can do that without hitting someone right in the dome, definitely not any pistol caliber.
A tactical shotgun is certainly a niche as a fighting weapon, a rifle caliber carbine is far and away the most versatile fighting small arm there is, but to think a 5.56 round of any type is going to be more lethal, center mass, than 12ga 00 buck is the supreme moron take.
>A shotgun with 12ga 00 buck is king of the hill when it comes to one stop shot bar none.
Except it really isn't. Stop learning from video games and learn from real-world statistics instead.
>a rifle caliber carbine is far and away the most versatile fighting small arm there is
I'm glad we agree.
> but to think a 5.56 round of any type is going to be more lethal, center mass, than 12ga 00 buck is the supreme moron take.
Like I said, learn from real life shootings, not hollywood and video games and maybe you won't believe this silly bullshit anymore.
Not him but a shotgun with buckshot at HD distances really is the king of common small arms for a one shot stop. The data DOES support that. Now even 5.56 is still an almost guarantee of a one shot stop also (assuming center chest hit), but a shotgun still edges it out. Overall, a carbine is much more versatile barring hunting.
>stweet stoppas
>antfricks to death over the difference between 9mm and .40 but does not differentiate between #9 target loads and full power 00 buck
Yeah I'ma wipe my ass with boomer tome again.
Maybe you should stop being so jaded and fire a shotgun once in a while maybe you'll learn to appreciate and recognize the power and skill it takes to use it properly.
I have manage to get an auto shotgun (I live in yurop). The plan with the boys is to get full vietcong and use the relief. So no, a simple dump pouch would not do. Looking for a placard.
+ I already have a rifle
astroturf camo for hiding in middle class suburb
Urban camo is a meme so just wear something silly.
Tempted to go buy a roll of turf for this sick outfit
Everybody laughs at the astroturf ghillie until they need to operate at a putt-putt course
>shotgun
>”””tactical””” use
Nah bro lol
If you find yourself in a situation where you are using a shotgun against two-legged game and you run dry it’s because you’re standing at the end of your hallway and you’re butt-ass naked because you just got out of bed.
Unless your PJs have molle webbing, you’re not going to have a placard with shells at your disposal.
Pic related is your answer.
The largest number of perps involved in a home defense shooting I've even heard of was four.
The home owner fended them off with revolver.
A mossberg 500 with 5 in the tube and one in the pipe will be pretty formidable in the hands of someone who has run drills with his pump gun.
Plus you can put a 5 round elastic holder on the buttstock. I see no situation where the 6-8 shells in the gun, 5-6 on a sidesaddle/shot card, and 5 on the buttstock isn’t enough.
You could also just put another side saddle on the buttstock.
21 to 19 shots of buckshot would be more than you'd ever need in any realistic situation, unless you're involved in a bank shootout or something.
Just stick them in your molle, tard.
Those shotgun cards also fit in aR mag pouches.
The "tactical" way to operate a tube fed shotgun involves both of these at the same time
>keep your mag topped up from your side saddle in any free second
>when your side saddle runs dry, rip it off the velcro and slap a fresh side saddle on that you pulled from a mag pouch
So, with slightly more fumbling, you can deploy maybe 48 rounds in the same space/weight envelope that an AR-15 user can deploy 210.
Yes, agreed.
Also SBS?
Hey james, how's the butthole, short?
>https://esstac.com/6rnd-shotgun-card-12gauge/
These are the best way to carry extra shotgun ammo. You stick an adhesive backed velcro strip to the gun and attach these placards to the gun that way. You can have 4-5 of them stuck to any plate carrier that has loop on the front like the T-Rex AC1 (that's what I have dunno what else is out there). As you're working the shotgun you move placards from your chest to the gun. There's a few thunder ranch videos on doing this.
>shotguns are super great
>oh also you have to constantly reload them
shotgun gays are the revolver gays of the long gun world, this is coming from someone who owns one knowing full well its a meme.
In what scenario do you think you are firing more than 5 or 6 rounds of Buckshot?
The largest home invasion I've ever heard of had four men, who were, incidentally defeated by a man with a revolver.
>you don't NEED more than five rounds
revolvergays and shotgungays have become so terminally contrarian they're just repeating anti-gunner talking points. I will shoot one home invader 30 times and you cannot stop me.
>revolvergays and shotgungays have become so terminally contrarian they're just repeating anti-gunner talking points.
Huge difference. We think belt-fed machine guns should be 100% legal.
>I will shoot one home invader 30 times and you cannot stop me.
I don't care what you do. You can shoot the imaginary home invader with a flame thrower, that's your problem not mine.
Why do carbinegays feel the need to proselytize in every shotgun thread?
We get it, you just got your PSA and you're over the moon about it.
We.
Don't.
CARE.
>PSA
AHAHAHAHAHA
This happens to be a shotgun thread, brainlet.
Nobody here cares about your High Point 992, loser.
>tripgay
It’s obvious you’re all attention prostitutes bc you’re also always the most obnoxious
He’s also a fat LARPer, so his takes are unsurprising
You don’t need more than 6 rounds 99.99% of the time. That doesn’t mean I want other shit banned but calm down with the fear porn hysteria. You know the people told you this shit are just trying to sell you shit right?
its odd that people who use obsolete platforms are always the first ones to revert to 'you don't NEED'-posting. i don't mind if you use shotguns and revolvers because they're cool, because obviously they're cool, but stop trying to invent reasons for why they're BETTER than using a rifle.
if my home is being invaded, im using my ice maker
>obsolete
Wrong. It's still in broad use and an old gun will still kill a mint-new Black person.
>invent reasons they are BETTER than using a rifle
They are.
Rifle rounds have a very justified reputation for everpenetrating bodies and for penetraring exterior walls.
You the shooter are responsible for EVERYTHING that comes out of the muzzle of that gun.
So using #4 buckshot gives the absolute best balance between killing someone dead and not killing the neighbor.
>Inb4 mih magic .223
They can also overpenetrate and still penetrate an exterior wall. Don't kid yourself about what something moving at 3,000 fps can do
>yeah and reloading a shotgun is tedious and error-prone.
That hasn't been my experience.
>reloading a mag-fed gun is piss easy under pressur
As is reloading any weapon. I've reloaded rifles, grenade launchers, and belt-fed machine guns while under fire; I never had a problem and I don't know why carbinegays act like it suddenly becomes advanced calculus because a little bit of adrenaline got involved.
It doesnt.
>Rifle rounds have a very justified reputation for everpenetrating bodies and for penetraring exterior walls.
No they don't
More importantly show me any instance of a homeowner using a gun in self defense and their rounds missed and hit innocent bystanders or neighbors. Anything that can sufficiently penetrate a body to get to the vitals will go through a wall.
>So using #4 buckshot gives the absolute best balance between killing someone dead and not killing the neighbor.
#4 buck is the patricians choice. I agree
>As is reloading any weapon. I've reloaded rifles, grenade launchers, and belt-fed machine guns while under fire; I never had a problem and I don't know why carbinegays act like it suddenly becomes advanced calculus because a little bit of adrenaline got involved.
It's easier to reload a magazine than individual shells. There is no debate about this. Just because you can top off a shotgun doesn't mean you can't fully reload a carbine faster and easier.
Just because I only "need" 1 or 2 doesn't mean I don't want 30+. I honestly could handle 99% of home invasions with my Heritage Arms Rough Rider. That doesn't make a single action .22 a good choice.
> I honestly could handle 99% of home invasions with my Heritage Arms Rough Rider. That doesn't make a single action .22 a good choice.
Sounds like it makes it an entirely adequate choice, actually.
Ignore tripgays
Yes guns require reloading. Its crazy
>guns require reloading
yeah and reloading a shotgun is tedious and error-prone. reloading a mag-fed gun is piss easy under pressure.
Its not tedious and difficult for one lol. And two its not neccessary except in the most extreme of situations. Charging a shell or two every few seconds if you're in "combat" (you wont be) isnt that difficult. Done it in training, done shell manipulations in real life tactical situations where we didnt end up killing anyone.
>get gud gay
>Charging a shell or two every few seconds if you're in "combat" (you wont be) isnt that difficult.
name fifty times you've had to reload a shotgun in combat.
name fifty times you've had to suck a dick for bus fare. Oh wait, you've never had to, you just do it for free.
Fifty no. Done it more than you. 4-8 in a irl "tactical" scenario on hot calls and far more in training.
>shotgun gays are the revolver gays of the long gun world
What a nice compliment. I'll shoot an extra box with my Blackhawk and Mossberg 590 at the range in your honor.
Ok, there's a lot of morons who sleep on shotguns on /k/ because after watching movies and shutting down their vidya they write them off as a 10m bang stick.
Shotguns are very useful and universal tools and 100% are used in tactical environments. Key rule of thumb for shotguns is keeping it fed,
nothings fed --> you're dead
Invest in a side saddle you could do fixed ones or velcro rippers like previous anon posted I prefer fixed. Also put a saddle on your stock for more shells readily available and practice violin reloading, double loading, quad loading, and ghost loading.
Highly suggest a "match saver" as well its a lighting fast way to get an extra shell for those oh shit reloads. As for gear, what you pictured is what you want (and a shell pouch bc they're incredibly useful)
Basically, you just wanna put shells as close as possible to your tube so you have the least amount of downtime.
All shotgun shells are color coded, memorize them and you can load a slug for range, magnum buck for Uninstall button up close, low pen buck if you're in a home and don't want to hit someone else, etc.
Meta cucks just don't find shottys a worth while platform bc it actually takes some skill and practice to be proficient at them and that would mean they can't touch their basic ass AR
>Ok, there's a lot of morons who sleep on shotguns on /k/ because after watching movies and shutting down their vidya they write them off as a 10m bang stick
Could you describe the time when you would rather have a super nova or tbe like vs an ak/ar. Assuming they are all legal in your area.
Shotguns are great if the government has banned magazine fed carbines in your area.
Ive done the thunder ranch intro to tactical shotguns course.....and take a bone stock AKM any day over a super nice shotgun.......unless were hunting small game
I have a SOE 12ga micro rig from years ago. Not what you asked for but a decent method to carry a bunch of 12ga double stacked instead of individual cards on top of a carrier.
Shotgun placards are dumb as shit. Just straight up carry a dump pouch filled with buckshot and a GP pouch with slugs.
Placards are quicker to load from.
Placards allow your hand to naturally be in a position for double or quad loading, sacks are great for single or double loading tho
With that logic, you should use competition quadloaders on your chest rig because youll DEFINITELY be quad loading and not active reloading with a shotgun. You shoot 3, get to cover, load 3, repeat. Not fricking quad load an empty tube back up. Watch Paul Harrells video on Pump action shotguns versus magfed shotguns.
Not the anon you're replying to, but I do like placards. Like you said, reloading a combat shotgun is essentially a series of opportunistic administrative reloads, you're not just doing quad loads from empty. I find that I'm better at topping off from a placard on the side of the gun rather than fishing around in a dump pouch. The shells are always oriented properly and they're physically in a more advantageous position. If your placard runs dry you can rip a new one off your chest and slap it on the gun and continue. It's a good system.
Quad anon here, quad loading is handy if you're good at it. I'll check out the video later today but I wanna mention I rock a 12+2 (would be 14 if I wasn't a sped with the spring) semi with a match saver.
4 sweeps, take cover, quad load once lather rinse repeat. But if one isn't proficient in quad loading then yes, you're correct. You can just grab couple shells as you mentioned.
That is a sleek scattergun my dood. What is all on that bawdshitter?
Why thank you fren
My build is
-Mossberg 930 pro sporting 28"
(I woulda used a JM pro model for my base but this was for a steal)
-6 shot tube extension
-vented gas cylinder
-Upgraded bolt knob with knurling
-Upgraded bolt release pad (imo the biggest upgrade for the 930 platform these two pieces bring the 930 to life)
-Aftermarket vented mag feed
-Match Saver
-Side saddle
-Soon to be stock saddle
-modified choke
-Soon to be flashlight unit with pressure switch.
I basically wanted a shotgun that had stupid velocity, solid reliability, universal use, and most importantly: Badass
If you want a M4 for half the price, don't sleep on the 930 line.
>don't sleep on the 930 line
Yep, used my 930 for geese, duck, deer, bear, turkey... Treated it like shit and it never failed me.
My only complaint that it was heavy to carry around in the woods. i bought a 1301 Comp and ill use it this fall for geese and see how it compares.
Absolutely wicked, have you considered upgrading your Bolt and mag release?
On a sidenote too, if you use yours extensively the vented gas cylinder and tube feed helps a lot with letting debris and powder fall out for less maintenance.
>have you considered upgrading your Bolt and mag release?
On the 1301?
I put the bolt release shroud on so the magazine doesn't shit itself. I'm taking it to the range this weekend to try it out.
>vented gas cylinder and tube feed helps a lot with letting debris and powder fall out for less maintenance.
Is that the BINKS system or whatever? I read the manual when I first got it and it mentioned that the gas system has like 20 patents. We'll find out. I usually always clean my Shotguns just because of mud and stuff. I also tap my muzzles just to be safe from obstructions.
I'm excited but they're really light, I feel like the heavy steel shot is going to frick my shoulder. Time will tell. If it's shit, then I'll probably go back to the 930 for slugs and goose hunting, ol'reliable.
God damn, how many shells can you shove into that longboi?
If I wasn't a sped with cutting my spring I would have a hypothetical 14+2 and then there's the near instant reload from the match saver.
Currently it's at 12+2 (and match)
(Its +2 bc I ghost load an extra shell)
>14 shells
Impressive
Silly intruders think I just mag dumped an entire 6 shot tube in the wall next to them out of panic.
Only to be pleasantly surprised I only did that to get em to rush me with 8 more!
That's the first valid use of the hook I've ever seen
>You shoot 3, get to cover, load 3, repeat
Or just stay in cover. Loading doubles is pretty easy with practice and even by your logic youve shot 3 and now have to reload 3 which will be a hell of a lot faster with a double and a single or a triple rather than 3 singles.
Actual shell carriers speed things up a lot if you aren't just blasting at the range or hunting birds. It's as close as it gets to shotguns have speed loaders or moon clips without using bulky ass competition loaders
>Loading doubles is pretty easy with practice
In a calm range/competition scenario it's easy, when you're in an actual fight and your adrenaline is shooting up to 400% everything requiring fine motor skills becomes way more difficult
I'm aware of how that works. Fortunately shotgun shells are large and the loading ports even larger. Doubles barely require any extra dexterity unless you're loading end to end for whatever fricking reason.
The Mossberg 590 is my primary.
I have a 60 round bandoleer, a side saddle with 6 rounds and shell pouch with another 18.
This is 84 shells of mixed slugs, buckshot, magnum slugs and a few birdshot shells.
This gives me plenty of options.
Bandoleers seem to be okay but don't use those bandoleers that are also the sling.
That's dumb as shit.
>don't use those bandoleers that are also the sling.
>That's dumb as shit.
Kek I laugh at those every time. They seem like a good idea at first. I can have a sling and extra shells. Then you realize 25 shells is heavy and it fricks up the balance of the gun
>fricks up the balance of the gun
Exactly. It looks like it'd be great until you try it, then it's just comically bad.
>worse penetration against hard objects and sheet metal
Why are you shooting sheetmetal, anon?
>You shotgun or bust or AR or bust gays are insufferable.
I'm not "or bust". This is a shotgun thread. The carbinehomosexuals who showed up in a thread on a topic they don't like and then didn't understand why they were irritated when told to frick off.
You do you, I don't care about your HD choices.
The shooting that comes to my mind was one that happened in Maryland over a decade ago.
>Guy hears an intruder
>Grabs his .357
>Sees intruder and fires a "warning shot".
>Shot hits and kills a woman on her porch across the street.
>He goes down for murder.
Also, topping off a shotgun is fast and easy.
I got snapcaps and run drills to push in two shells at a time in my 590.
>I'm not "or bust". This is a shotgun thread. The carbinehomosexuals who showed up in a thread on a topic they don't like and then didn't understand why they were irritated when told to frick off.
That's fair and I do like shotguns. But you were acting like it wins in EVERY scenario and carbines have NO advantages. Did you miss my b***hfest about nuance or what?
>Sees intruder and fires a "warning shot".
So a guy with a pistol fires randomly and hits someone. How does this relate at all to overpenetration when you are actively shooting at an intruder?
>60 rounds of 556 can fit in my pockets
And they are special niche in the real world. Absolutely no reason to pick one over a modern carbine for a weapon.
I love shotguns, but they have significant shortcomings.
>Thick, rimmed, and made of plastic is no way to feed through a magazine son.
If you are by yourself and have fired 60 shots you need to consider retreating.
You have it reversed.
Shotguns are not niche, they are general purpose.
If you are in a serious SHTF scenario you aren't engaging people at 200+ yards.
In fact, you probably aren't shooting at all and if you are it'll be far closer than even 75 yards.
Let's look at some SHTF
>Flooding
What, are you going to shoot the rain?
The biggest threats here are wildlife such as alligators and water moccasins both of which can be put down by a slug or some birdshot, respectively.
>Wildfire
Grab your shit, especially important documents and family photos, get in a truck and haul ass. You're not shooting your way out of something like this.
>Storms/hurricanes/tornadoes
You gonna shoot the breeze literally?
In the aftermath a gun may be useful but a shotgun is sufficient.
>Riots
Do you know what a "Riot Gun" actually is?
It's a shotgun.
Had /K/ommando Kyle been packing a semi auto shotgun the one-armed bandit would have bled out because his right arm would have been blown off.
>Muh Mad Max
Sorry fren; it'll never happen but if it does, I'm bringing my Mossberg because 12 gauge shells are the most ubiquitous ammunition I can think of.
Easy to find, easy to reload and you don't even need actual buckshot; you can stuff hearing aid batteries in there.
If it fits, it ships.
And as another anon said, if you've fired 60 shots you should probably be looking for an exit strategy.
>If I list a bunch of scenarios where a gun isn't needed that prove my choice of gun is superior
Nice job
>Do you know what a "Riot Gun" actually is?
Something that developed for prison/police use and where they were constrained by what was available. M1 carbines were loved back in the day also. Pic very related.
>it'll never happen but if it does, I'm bringing my Mossberg because 12 gauge shells are the most ubiquitous ammunition I can think of.
On shell weight alone shotguns have a serious disadvantage. A box of 12ga is 2.5-3lbs depending on the load. Meanwhile 2 loaded pmags are less weight or you can get 3 for the same weight. 90 rounds beats 25. If you are focusing on small game harvesting, that's smart, but then a .22 is king,
It's like pulling teeth with you fricks for any amount of nuance. ARs and other carbines are all around better and nearly as lethal all the time. Shotguns are better at HD ranges on unarmored opponents for a first shot stop. However they hold fewer rounds, recoil more, and are generally heavier and longer. They are your only option for bird hunting and slugs will drop anything. But for fricks sake each thing has it's place. You shotgun or bust or AR or bust gays are insufferable.
>M1 carbines were loved back in the day also.
They still are. The one under my fiance's side of the bed is her go-to home defense gun. It's simple to use, and safe (just rack it and its ready to go), 10 rounds of .357mag-ish in an semi-auto.
I got these pouches from Greyshop and stuck them to a WTF MOLLE placard base. Each pouch has two shotshell card that are attached to the pouch. One is on the outside and another is in the pouch. If you run out you pull the front one off and let it dangle, then pull the one inside the pouch out and stick it to the loop on the front. They also fit rifle mags.
How is it running that thing? Think it would make a good truck gun?
Shotgun plate carrier, Cartridge belt, cartridge sling, buttstock shell loops, and side saddle. Never to many shells.
There's a reason shotgun cards very quickly became the "meta," they're just the simplest solution to keeping a shotgun fed. Inexpensive, simple, quick, and pretty much idiot proof.
Take 2 shotgun cards fit in m4 mag pouches perfect and you can use a double sided loop piece of velcro to hook 2 back to back then drop in the mag pouch.
Anyway, moonlight industries shotgun rig
You limp wristed homosexuals are going to feel very SILLY when you are being hunted down by drones and can't hit them with your epic tacticool gay r 15
>hit drones with your shotgun
Excuse me?
oh my deer fren.
Geese Hunting does not equal Drone defense.
Geese are shot at like 20 - 5 yards. Drones can be like 400 yards away
3 words.
Fat. Ass. Slug.
Or
Airburst. Shotgun. Shell. (Which are real and incredibly badass) so you can kiss them drones bye bye
Remind me how a slug is going to be better against a small quickly moving target over a much faster, more accurate bullet. Shotguns are my favorite, but even with magnum tungsten Buck is gonna need more ass
>Fat. Ass. Slug.
So a slower, less accurate projectile, with worse penetration against hard objects and sheet metal is your go to? Yeah have fun with that
>Airburst. Shotgun. Shell. (Which are real and incredibly badass) so you can kiss them drones bye bye
Show me these and that you own one
Ideally you aren't somewhere where a drone can get you from 400 yards. That's a bad spot to be in general.
Hahaha yeah man you know me not able to hit a 2ft x 2ft drone 100m away with 30 rounds ultra sonic ammo....
People can hunt duck with rifles dude, they just dont becuase the the misses and pass through are lethal and go a very far distance.
>he’s using the memewave to hit aerial targets
Good luck with that
Vang comp systems makes the best shotgun shell cards. The elastic is the most durable out of all the other popular cards. Don't be a sucker and buy their detachable card system for your gun. All you need are their cards and some 2 inch Velcro with 3m adhesive from amazon to attach on your receiver
Rate my scatter gat.
590 Nightstick, ATI folding stock, Mesa Tactical side saddle.
Be honest, how terrible are those stocks.
I would have preferred an aluminum construction, which would have reduced the width of the stock as seen by its profile. Additionally some sort of positive lock up for the butt of the stock would have been nice too.
It’s sturdier than one would expect however.
Cool/10 but holy frick that stock wouldn’t be fun to use
its annoying how the ATI never wants to sit flat
I thought so at first too, but it does allow you to use your sight with the stock folded up.
>use your sight with the stock folded
I cant imagine I would ever want to do that
I'm pretty good at shooting from the hip inside of 30ft, if I feel like I need more accuracy than that then I am going to want the stock out
Pistol grip pump in my lap at all times
They can be frickin with other homies shit but they wont be frickin with mine
Beretta 1301
Surefire 640V
Nordic MXT
Primary Slx Microprism
Ferro Slingster
Esstac Velcro Strips
Slick setup, I've been meaning to get the Nordic Components Magazine Extension. Do you find the optic to sit uncomfortably high where it is?
I think the optic is at a good level with its lowest mount, and the Nordic is nice, took me a few tines shortening the spring until it would feed 7 fine
I can speed reload my Lynx 12 faster than an AK reload.
Nice
people a lot older than you and with a lot more experience have tried. shotguns are not used for general purposes for a reason.
Is quad loading and double loading practical for anything other than comp?
20 gauge Mossberg 500 good for a first shotgun?
just get a 12 gauge, only people I know that use 20's for hunting are super passionate bird hunters where they benefit from the lack of kick due to their precision etc. 20ga is also harder to come by and will have a lower resale value if you ever need to ditch the gun
ok well my choices are turkshit, stevens, or this 20 gauge. it’s going to mainly be a turkey gun.
would probably go with the 500, and just buy some bulk ammo my dude. You don't want to be paying .410 prices for your 20ga in a few years
>turkey gun
.20 gauge is hella dope for turkey. You can buy some of those TSS and drop jelly heads rightly.
12 gauge is for the common redneck
16 gauge is for the reloading and pattern nerds
20 gauge is for the gentleman
Goddamn I love my 20ga guns
>12 gauge is for the common redneck
youre god damn right brother and my 12 gauge will outperform your puny 20 gauge any day
There's a reason it's the most popular choice by far and probably will be for as long as shotguns are used
>20 gauge
There are so many different 12 gauge loads out there you can definitely get one that performs almost exactly the same as a 20 and it will cost less, plus you can still use regular full powered 12 gauge. That's the thing I don't get about using in between shell gauges, just go for a 12 and if you are a woman just use lighter loads. If you want a lightweight shell to carry lots in your survival kit then get .410.
.410 is probably the dumbest gauge. A slightly bigger real shotgun (instead of a forager round designed to fire out of a trapdoor Springfield) like a 28 gauge has every positive benefit of a .410 (ie 67 1/2 gauge), and half the drawbacks.
12 gauge is objectively the most sensible, but I’ve got a soft spot for 16 gauge, it’s simply a more elegant weapon from a more civilized age, and if I had to only own two gauges of shotgun, I’d have a 16 and a 28.
Yes but get a 12. I wish there were more options for 20ga shells but since there isn't, you are better off getting a 12. Use reduced recoil loads if you need to
nah i think i’m set on the 20. it’s a hunting gun and i’m not physically tall so it’s probably better for me.
Fair enough. Nothing wrong with that choice. I'm also a 5'6" manlet and you can find a 12 with proper length of pull.
20 gauge won't be a problem for almost any situation a 12 gauge could handle. It's just a slightly smaller load. The 12 gauge will be more versatile in it can use reduced loads that would mimic the 20 gauge, or full-power loads that are much higher performance. The other advantage 12 has is availability and price of ammo. But the differences aren't overwhelming. 12 would be the ideal choice, but you're not going wrong with a 20.
Noice
>00 Buck blows the lung out the front
>.223 Rem blows the lung out the back
>based lung removal
So what you're saying is a combination gun that fires one shot of 5.56 and one shot of 00 buck at the same time is the ultimate "big fricking hole" gun?
Can such a thing exist? Imagine.
>Set trigger integrated in the front trigger
>Slim compact steel action with reinforced sidewalls for extra strength
>Small Arabesques engraving
>Ergonomically shaped Kickspanner manual wienering device
>Short opening angle for fast, easy loading
>Virtually horizontal firing pin placement for error free firing and fast lock time
>Broad, massive underlugs to withstand wear and provide optimal seating of the underlug in the action
> Dual ejectors
>Nickel plated steel trigger floor plate and steel trigger guard
>Nickel plated engraved receiver finish
>Das Lungenverdampfer
Drilling rifles
take the bandolier pill
>bandoleers are used by moronic Black folk and airsofters
thanks for letting me know where to go for when I need proper kit
Bandoleers are fine, even a monkey can figure them out because they are simple and can store a bunch of ammo.
Mine holds 60 shots.
Showing one of the most incompetent groups around isn't going to help your case
who are those guys? bunch of ARs and then my brotha over here has a Vz?
for those without rails/m-lok, do you have a good recommendation for an attachment system so you can throw a flashlight or laser onto your shotgun? TXPKM
I recommend a barrel/extension tube clamp that gives you a rail to mount on.
What 1x prism optics can you get for a shotgun?
I know a red dot is better, blah, blah, blah but I'm an idiot and forget to put batteries in my range bag after leaving my red dot on forever. The only two I know of are...
>Bushnell Lil P prism
>Primary Arms SLX 1X
Plz help me. 🙁
What 1x prism optics can you get for a shotgun?
I know a red dot is better, blah, blah, blah but I'm an idiot and forget to put batteries in my range bag after leaving my red dot on forever. The only two I know of are...
>Bushnell Lil P prism
>Primary Arms SLX 1X
ditch the plate carrier attatchments, put an ALICE harness over your carrier, andput all the loose rounds in a butt pack.
So in my mind shotguns seem good against body armor because youre able to have an aoe on weaker spots like the crotch and thighs or around the head, wouldnt it be about as quick and effective as placing your shots with a rifle? I mean unless youre picking the bastard off from a distance then yeah obviously about anything is better than a shotgun
No and there's a reason why body armor protects the areas it does.
Yeah you could totally shatter someone's hip joints and pelvic cradle. They might live since that's not a super lethal area, but will probably never be able to walk or even sit upright again. They may die of sepsis if you're lucky.
Definitely my plan if some incel /misc/ homosexual wearing full gamer gear tries to shoot up my grocery store.
You don't wing shoot with a rifle.
Shotguns are the ultimate snap shooters.
Y'all need to chill out. Shotguns are awesome.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/shotguns/articles/the-police-shotgun-versatile-powerful-still-the-great-intimidator-hJHwrxDB8gTdEXSl/
How cheap can you actually get a 590 or 870 with a tube bigger than 5 rounds nowadays?
>I feel like shotgun in tactical use don't get a lot of love here.
What you want is an AR-15. For "mostly innawoods" a 14.5" carbine is probably ideal but that may have legal issues if you live in USA. Tactical shotguns have been superceded by short, lightweight, light-recoiling, intermediate rifles
OP, Amazon sells three packs of velcro side saddles.six of them gets you 36 shells, 42 if you have another one on your weapon.
That's a pretty substantial amount of firepower no matter what carbine homosexuals raided the thread to tell you.
A bandoleer holds 60 rounds, belt pouches can hood around 18.
There's a lot of good ways to carry shotshells, look for what works for you.
Make sure you get the EXCELLENT ELITE SPANKER ones
>https://smile.amazon.com/EXCELLENT-ELITE-SPANKER-Tactical-Shotgun/dp/B07T34SYLH/ref=sr_1_2?tag=ganker-20&crid=KWAJ3ZPQHW57&keywords=shotgun%2Bshot%2Bcard&qid=1656689447&sprefix=shotgun%2Bshot%2Bcard%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-2&th=1
I use a Gameboy fannypack
Get gas loaded semiauto shotgun that can hold atleast 6 shots. My family has been hunting deer with shotguns for years and never had a problem 1 shotting em even from a telephone pole lengths away. Theres a reason they're called street sweepers. Also great for multiple target ambush mid to close range.
>Get gas loaded semiauto shotgun
please post a gun you own.
Back in the day When using a break barrel shotgun people kept there shells between fingers on the same hand as their trigger finger for faster reload.
Shotguns are excellent and effective weapons when used within their boundaries.
It's my recommendation that any group of four or more men have at least one guy have one as a primary arm because it's effectiveness at close quarters and ability to destroy locks and hinges does warrant having one.
Training with a shotgun should involve more than just shooting at paper from the hip at 7 yards.
Set up targets in woods, shoot from the prone at 40 yards through tall grass. Practice reloads for speed and cycling the pump while rapidly transitioning targets.
That last bit is important to avoid shortstrokes later.
Basically, learn your weapon and it's role, which is what every would-be "operator" will do.
>Basically, learn your weapon and it's role,
Anon, this is /k/; barely anyone owns a gun and the ones who do don't have a training regimen.
You are too pure for this board.
Lol, imagine training to "git good" with a shitgun.
The science is settled.
Just get an AR, homosexual.
>I'm not looking for Larp tier shit
Well then frankly there should really be no situation in which the 6 to 9 shells already inside your gun won't be enough, and if it isn't you really, REALLY fricked up.
Statistically most gunfights are over after three rounds fired and you're not gonna have time to even empty your magazine, let alone reload, if a bear is charging you.
>home defense
Years ago, I asked several young SF officers at work (frog btw) the usual question "For home defense, do you go 556, 12 or even 9 ?" All answers were the same : "12 gauge with buckshot to defend my family all day long. Not 556 because i'm not storming an enemy building with the squad nor jumping from a chopper in the desert, besides I don't want to hurt an innocent. And not 9 because I dont want to rely on a pistol for HD." Also some navy operator told me "12 gauge is called the "omnirole gun" in the navy. It basically means that if there is a strong debate about the appropriate gun to use for a specific task, the answer you seek for is probably the 12 gauge." I don't know if they' are right or wrong. I guess you have to adapt.
Also my W1300s. I need to upgrade them a bit, but aftermarket is not so good.
I was both in the US Army and I was a Corrections Officer (I quit due to scheduling conflicts).
The Army teaches teaches shotgun primarily as a breaching weapon but ad another anon said, th man holding that shotgun isn't going to switch guns until they've finished clearing the building because we just don't have that much time; speed, violence and forced of action are the priorities and a 12 Guage isn't a problem.
In corrections we were taught to use it offensively on the parameter of the prison. The funny part is that they really want us to "skip shot" which is firing a shot 3 ft (roughly 1 M) in front of the prisoner at an angle. This causes the shot to ricochet into the inmate and somewhat fan out.
It'll still kill him but it doesn't look like that was the intention and for some reason the governor prefers that over just blasting the bastard.
The Army uses the Mossberg 590a1 and it is as tough and reliable a pump action shotgun as I can possibly imagine. They selected it after rigorous testing.I own the more civilian version and keep it next to my bed.
The Corrections Agency uses the Remington 870 3" Magnum but they don't use Magnum shells but just 2 3/4" buckshot. They bought them from police stations that were switching to the Mossberg 590. To give you an idea how antiquated Corrections is, they use the Smith & Wesson Model 10 .38 spl as their service pistol.
You ever see a shotgun frick a guy up in the army? Everyone talks about them blowing absolute chunks out of people but how are the wounds in actual practice?
The Taliban saw us coming ans had already began a fighting retreat as we pushed in.
We killed around 60 of them, with even more wounded according to the recon drone footage but that was mostly done by machine gun fire, MK19s, 203s and occasionally M4s.
The Taliban likes to engage from a distance with a physical barrier and became alarmed when we responded to mortar fire by charging their positions.
If you're up for some gore, tho just Google "shotgun injury"