>all of the Pindad offerings (especially the FNC) >H&R DOE clone >all the bullpups
and probably a bunch of things I missed. They actually had cool shit this year.
Also, everyone's talking about the Indog FNC and BM59, but I was really surprised by the 9mm FNC which I didn't even know they made. It's supposed to be actually gas operated instead of straight blowback, so I'm looking forward to hearing more about it.
Basically fricking useless for us but it would be interesting to see in military use.
I wonder how many they plan on bringing in and where the frick do I buy it. Does anyone know where I can see there website or have anymore information?
According to this article, they plan on bringing in 200 to 300 gun per month.
https://www.guns.com/news/2024/01/29/license-made-fnc-bm-59-and-pm12-headed-to-us-from-pindad-of-indonesia
I might just have to send there importer an email for more info.
was wondering what the initial release numbers will be like maybe a 1000 or something. I also wonder if they plan on bringing more than just 150 BM59 after or just a one time thing.
The new only gun I've ever been excited about, the upgraded j frame in .32 h&r.
I've come to the conclusion that two finger guns should be snubs. I really like shooting my g42, but I've caused malfunctions by gripping it wrong, and that was on a flat range. The g48 is my idea of a minimum sized automatic.
Seconding this. .32 H&R being mainstream would be incredible. I just hope I can get one sometime soon.
Nah it's more likely they knew people aren't going to pay scandium prices for a pocket super niche gun. Their cylinders handle .357 just fine it's the aluminum frames that don't, even ruger uses steel for their magnum LCRs. The fact it has even this level of hype around it probably took them off guard as they were probably aiming for a nostalgic boomer market. Coupled with it being a lipseys exclusive (so essentially just sticking their toe in to test the water) we might see a proper 327 scandium option coming soon if this gun gets enough sales. Either way this is like S&Ws round 2 for getting some form of .32 caliber popular again.
I hope you're right. It's absolutely criminal how .327 Fed Mag flopped the first go-around. I would buy a six shot .327 J-frame in a heartbeat.
>Either way this is like S&Ws round 2 for getting some form of .32 caliber popular again.
It kind of makes sense with the push for .30 Super Carry. Although it doesn't seem that popular, evidently it sells well enough for Federal to make more .327 ammo than ever before.
You ever shoot .327 out of an LCR? I have, it's not pleasant. .32 H&R makes much more sense in such a light and small gun. Hopefully, this helps bring it back into popularity.
I've shot .357 magnum out of an airweight J-frame, which I imagine is even less pleasant. Magnum snubbies aren't really capable of being pleasant to shoot in any event - even .38 spl out of an airweight is more uncomfortable than .44 Magnum out of my full size Model 29 imo. But if it's chambered for .327 you can shoot .327, .32 H&R, and .32 S&W out of the same gun. So why not give people the option of choosing?
which is exactly why you should choose a gun that you will carry and become proficient with and not a gun you will be afraid to shoot but that offers questionable gains in terminal performance
I've shot .357 magnum out of an airweight J-frame, which I imagine is even less pleasant. Magnum snubbies aren't really capable of being pleasant to shoot in any event - even .38 spl out of an airweight is more uncomfortable than .44 Magnum out of my full size Model 29 imo. But if it's chambered for .327 you can shoot .327, .32 H&R, and .32 S&W out of the same gun. So why not give people the option of choosing?
Because the serious revolver shooters S&W consulted for this said they wanted it chambered in .32 H&R Magnum. They did not say .327 Magnum, so S&W didn't make one in that caliber. Or maybe its secretly because you'd need a longer cylinder for .327 and S&W didn't care to lengthen the j frame to accommodate that. Who knows. If you want .327, the LCR exists. Most people don't want .327 from what I've seen, but everyone seems excited for .32 H&R.
>Most people don't want .327 from what I've seen, but everyone seems excited for .32 H&R
The frick, man. Can't a revolver chambered in .327 also chamber .32H&R?
Might as well go with Ruger
It's like how most people who buy j frames buy the .38 special ones, not the .357 mag ones. Sure, you can shoot .38 out of the .357s, but most people just buy the ones chambered for what they're gonna actually shoot.
for both the j-frames and LCR the .357 models are a bit heavier. The .38 are about 14 oz and the .357 models are close to 20 oz.
Although I think the bigger factor is guns stores usually just stock the .38s.
once saw a challenger with that color scheme, with the racing stripes down the sides rather than the bonnet. it looked cool as frick. i was quite suprised.
once saw a challenger with that color scheme, with the racing stripes down the sides rather than the bonnet. it looked cool as frick. i was quite suprised.
boomers and millenials care more about frosting than they do about the cake, it's why they made an entire culture around extremely elaborate cakes made of fondant that don't taste good
You moronic geriatric fricks can't even speak the only language you know. Keep complaining, though. We'll suffocate you the second you enter the nursing home.
fondat tastes great you moron you are just spoiled with you fancy ass fake ass flavored sugar overload cream shit on everything
cake is supposed to be a rare treat and fondant tastes good, eat cake every god damn day like a fricking lard ass and sure it cant compete with your diabetes in a muffin slop
Yes. They're nice. Got it recently so I need to shoot it more but it's been good for ~400 rounds so far, no failures. Good trigger, not quite staccato tier but still good since it's a 2011. I finger fricked an Oracle 2311 which had an even better trigger but the trigger pull was definitely higher than the 4-4.5lbs they claim
They have three lines, Slx is budget, Glx midrange, Plx is their premium line with the best glass and manufacturing. I think they just make Plx LPVOs atm
They have three lines, Slx is budget, Glx midrange, Plx is their premium line with the best glass and manufacturing. I think they just make Plx LPVOs atm
How I help myself remember their lineup:
Plx = Platinum Line
Glx = Gold Line
Slx = Silver Line
I honestly wouldn't be surpised if this is actually how the got the names. It just works too well.
Better quality glass. Buttons instead of rheostat. Larger diopter which translates to better picture, essentially unlimited eye relief, and more light transmission so more usable in low light/darkness.
Two completely different technologies. One is a prism, the other is holographic. Eotech is the only one doing proper holographic other than that one Vortex holo sight. Plenty do prisms. Prism have an etched reticle, not a projected one. The parallax on them is worse than even red dot sights. Those with astigmatism will love it.
This is also what I am most excited for. I already own an SLx 1x Mircoprism and was thinking of getting a second one, but wished for something with slightly better glass.
God delivered.
If it is as good as I am hoping, red dots are dead to me. These are just strictly better.
What's special about this one? Why pick it over an eotech?
Completely different uses imo. EOTech's are mostly for use with NODs. Outside of that you might as well use a normal red dot, more value for money and does the same thing.
The main point of these 1x prisms is to compete with standard red dots for normal use. They both perform more or less the same, but with the prism having the benfit of an adjustable diopter and also the ability to shoot with illumination off for a very crisp black reticle. Oftentimes on a bright fully sun lit range it will be far easier to see the black reticle than it will if it's lit or a comparably bright red dot.
They also have the benefit of still functioning even with a dead battery. That etched reticle will always be there, just like a normal scope.
I honestly don't think there are any downsides of a 1x prism vs a traditional red dot.
>I honestly don't think there are any downsides of a 1x prism vs a traditional red dot.
Infinite eye relief, technically, but it's completely irrelevant in most cases.
Maybe an issue for pistol-based PDW meant to work both at arms' length and shouldered. But IDK, maybe it'll work fine -- I've been waiting for the GLX to try one on a Flux Raider.)
The single greatest downside of 1x prism optics vs. red dots is the serious degradation in NV performance. Outside of that one extremely expensive scenario, it's not going to hurt near so bad.
Tomcat, whatever. I doubt Beretta actually sells them and .32 acp is way to expensive to burn down for fun but still, it was nice to see a company putting something out there for the pure fun and whimsy of it.
>Unironically those riced out 32 Berretta bobcat things looked really fricking fun.
I really love those things. If they finally fixed the fricking frame crack problem I'll buy one.
I can't stop laughing at that dumb picture. Like what did EKOL think by naming their latest blank gun that, are they actively TRYING to market it to prior-convicted ghetto corner store robbers or what?
Does this mean the mdr is dead?
Anything from steyr? I want all those aug vatiants theyve got in europe. I know steyr usa is like 12 dudes in a garage but how hard is it to bring over existing updates.
yes the MDRX is selling through current stock and then the WLVRN is replacing it. Fewer internal parts, no forward ejection, cheaper to produce, fewer malfunctions, and more accurate.
Unless you REALLY want forward ejection, there's no reason to get an MDRX
MDRX seems to have had a price drop, I remember them costing almost $2.8k but now that the WLVRN is going for $2.5k, so the answer appears to be yes to both. Cheaper to produce and buy.
for reference, MDRX is currently price dropped to $2.2k
3 months ago
Anonymous
>$2.2k
Why should I get that, when PSA is selling AR-15s for $449?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No one is cross shopping a bullpup and a psa, dont be an idiot.
3 months ago
Anonymous
A PSA jakl costs $999 without sales and it's $400 off with sales. Soon, a PSA bullpup lower will come out. Any jakl upper can be mated to it. Or you can just buy a complete bullpup. I'm betting it will be cheaper than 2.2k, no matter what.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>A PSA jakl costs $999 without sales and it's $400 off with sales. Soon, a PSA bullpup lower will come out.
.308 Jakl is interesting, but I don't think it will be cheaper than $1200. Assuming you're an adult male like me, you SHOULD have a credit card and if you have a credit card, getting a better .308 rifle than a $1200 Jakl shouldn't be too difficult. XCR have build kits and they go on sale too. Not uncommon to get an XCR for $2200. Much as I hate PSA, I wouldn't even be made if anons got .308 Jakls. Maybe after the Third Generation, a Jakl might be worth buying.
Early model Palmetto rifles are rife with parts fitment issues, parts failure issues and assembly issues. If PSA doesn't drop the line, eventually they iron out the problems. However, that doesn't guarantee that any PSA rifles won't be made with the cheapest parts and quality possible.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't see the appeal of a 308 JAKL. It's not like it's interchangeable with anything from the 5.56mm JAKL. There's just the price, which will probably be cheap.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he needs to borrow money to buy his guns
You're not an adult, a male, or even white for that matter
3 months ago
Anonymous
Kit bullpups will always be inferior to purpose built rifles.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I will Kek my ass off at all the PSA hating snobs that seethe endlessly about them when PSA throws together the best bullpup of the 21st century and one of the best of all times. Better than England could do in 40 years, better than israel or Mormons. Just some good old fashion Americans who don’t over charge and price gouge and Shylock. I hope it’s amazing for nothing other than the seething.
3 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/e3C1jZp.png
>Why should I get that, when PSA is selling AR-15s for $449?
This is the kind of moron "gun expert" that passes for an informed poster around here. Absolutely Vile.
no, no
hes right
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're not the target market
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Why should I get that, when PSA is selling AR-15s for $449?
This is the kind of moron "gun expert" that passes for an informed poster around here. Absolutely Vile.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>can't answer question >resorts to insulting anon
the true expert
Being the only commercial bullpup designed this decade helped it a bit too im sure.
I dont know about this new model but il be paying attention to it. I know not everything needs to be an AR but being able to use ar grips would be nice.
Im optimistic even though $3k is extremely high. Still think my next rifle will be an srs though.
>but how hard is it to bring over existing updates
Very. Ignoring the business case, the AUG is a very hard gun to get approved for US import.
https://i.imgur.com/puFcCpF.jpg
>no Hilary Hole
Is S&W finally healing?
Maybe they finally beat enough shares out of Saf-T-Hammer. That was the company that owned S&W and also made those dumbass locks. Since they had so much influence over Smith, they were able to inflate their profits by forcing the gun company to buy locks from them. Even after the spin off, Saf-T-Hammer retained enough interest in the company to keep the locks in the guns. Blaming the Clintons is what they want you to do.
I know nothing about the business case. I just know theyve got like 10 different variants they sell in europe and the best we get is green or tan.
Would bringing over a different rail or stock really be that much more dofficult import wise? Its the same gun.
>DT didn't integrate their quattro 15 mag well design into it.
Completely fricking useless. You have 60 round magazines in various flavors but you want a proprietary 53 round magazine instead? K den
Better to complain about their lack of confidence in continuing forward eject or the fact that they didn't include the option to use AR-15 grips or the bolt release not being put in reach of your firing hand's index finger
DT has never seem to found their footing with the semi autos. Wolverine is a gay name too.
Im sad they went back to the weird aerodynamic forend instead of the mlok rail that came out near the end of the mdrs life.
>Does this mean the mdr is dead?
The moment they stop production of mdr/x specific parts it's dead.
>Kinda neat long stroke 308 AR upper
For $6700, I don't think so.
It's just in such a weird spot. It's marketed as a 'combat accurate' battle rifle or even a DMR but of course their customers are only going to be using it in semi auto so an AR10 DMR should be a direct upgrade in terms of weight, precision and cost as two anons were hinting at.. I still really, really want to shoot one and I think a non crippled .277 fury chambering might be a direct upgrade to the XM7 if it works well in full auto, haven't seen any footage of that.
Steyr is so fuxking slow I wouldn't expect the new AUG until after we have the .300bo barrel kits - and we've been waiting for those for quite a long time
Are the .300 kits for sure coming out now? Ive heard rumors about it forever now. Like i said i get its a small outfit in the states but i dont get why theyre so slow to respond to market demands. Do they have to beg and plead the main office to do anything?
Yeah man. 7 pounds is so quackin crazy for a 5.56 rifle.
Like the 416, AUG, Hellion, X95, xcr l, scar L all weigh 7 pounds but thats just way too heavy!
>quatro mag
Its not possible with the current lower design, perhaps if theres enough interest or if they, Allah Willing, get a contract there might be a new lower in the future.
>DT didn't integrate their quattro 15 mag well design into it.
Completely fricking useless. You have 60 round magazines in various flavors but you want a proprietary 53 round magazine instead? K den
Better to complain about their lack of confidence in continuing forward eject or the fact that they didn't include the option to use AR-15 grips or the bolt release not being put in reach of your firing hand's index finger
>60 round magazines >drum mag in bullpup
Confirmed for having no idea what you're talking about. Drums dig into your dominant arm no matter how you hold the pistol grip. They're incompatible with bullpups unless you're cool with your gun being actively hostile to handling it.
>You have 60 round magazines
drum magazines in a bullpup? No thanks and don't even try to start shilling those surefire abominations. >the option to use AR-15 grips
I can't think of a bigger meme in the gun industry. Actually I can it's the XM7's double charging handle but seriously who cares, put some tape on the grip if you really think you need it (you don't)
Better yet, it's a blank-firing replica, so no background check. Most of these ghetto robbers have enough priors to instantly fail a 4473, so a lot of them carry replicas when knocking over the local liquor store.
That's what I assumed but a grand for a pseudo knock off is too much, 800 is the sweet spot, because after tax and the transfer fee and shipping and that shit it is just in the acceptable range.
gflex and franklin armory have a binary trigger thing for the glock. In the case of the g flex it's a literal trigger replacement in a bag but the FA version is a whole new slide (don't know if it also has to have a different trigger to work with it).
Tl:dr binary triggers for striker fired guns are possble.
I assumed binary was possible for striker fired. But what I'm really wondering about is an FRT.
I've tried both and while binary is fun and more developed. FRT is nearly indistinguishable from automatic fire when it's tuned right.
An MP7 like firearm with an FRT would be immensely enjoyable and practical in a civil unrest scenario.
I assumed binary was possible for striker fired. But what I'm really wondering about is an FRT.
I've tried both and while binary is fun and more developed. FRT is nearly indistinguishable from automatic fire when it's tuned right.
An MP7 like firearm with an FRT would be immensely enjoyable and practical in a civil unrest scenario.
>Can a striker fired semi auto like the new psa mp5.7 have an FRT trigger built for it? >FRT for striker fired
yes. >inb4 source
stay tuned. trust the plan. two more years.
in reality, wait for rare breed to win against the atf and well get some. everyone is paranoid right now.
I'm fairly confident they will win I was just wondering if there is something about striker fired reset that precludes it from being forced forwards.
A guy on a different forum told me it was impossible, but did not offer any explanation. But then I noticed that nobody made any frts for glocks, so I just wanted to confirm.
>A guy on a different forum told me it was impossible, but did not offer any explanation.
classic move. all i can tell you right now is, it is 100% possible and that i would bet my life on such a proposition.
it all just depends on which gun and how much of the internals you want to change. all depends, each gun is different.
i dont want to say too much but keep an eye out for one in the future. might be sooner than you think brother.
Thanks Bruv. I just ordered a rock and I'm thiggin bought stacking 5.7 deep.
I got a buddy who is a cop. So I might ask him to order some of the verboten stuff.
The new only gun I've ever been excited about, the upgraded j frame in .32 h&r.
I've come to the conclusion that two finger guns should be snubs. I really like shooting my g42, but I've caused malfunctions by gripping it wrong, and that was on a flat range. The g48 is my idea of a minimum sized automatic.
>chamfered charge holes for easy loading
I think that's possibly the only time in history that someone has called the chambers in a revolver cylinder "charge holes". Especially for a cartridge revolver.
No it's a s&w is lazy thing. They already went through the trouble of transitioning their revolvers to holed frames and now people have to bend their arms to make their classics line actually classic and remove the hole. The new j frame is just built on the pre lock 642 frames. There's also the fact that people don't actually care. If people can ignore WARNING WARNING READ MANUAL BEFORE FIRING WARNING WARNING YOU WILL DIE WARNING WARNING on the sides of their berettas and rugers then they'll ignore a comparatively tiny hole.
A modified S&W J frame was best in show in 2024. (I agree completely)
Illustrative of how solved small arms are for civilians, particularly in the States with ar's and polymer double stacks.
This is a very good observation. The meta has been pretty stagnant for a while. The last real innovation was the micro doublestacks like the P365. The Ultimate Carry j frame is mostly just incremental improvements and bringing an overlooked caliber back into the mainstream, but what they're advertising will be an excellent pocket gun.
Im interested to see what other chamberings they'll make for it since it can quick swap. Hope they come out with one for intermediate cartridges and takes stanag mags, straight pull ruger american style lol
I handled 1 of 4 that were in Canada a few months ago. They're extremely nice. The straight pull action is very smooth. In general I like it more than the Blaser R8.
I still have yet to handle a Savage Impulse(Heym-style straight pull), so no comparison yet to that.
They're developing an AK5 clone?! I remember coming across a pic of one years ago and going "that'd be neat". Dreams were pretty much shattered when I learned how rare they are; I could do it but I wasn't THAT interested that I'd pour thousands into it to hopefully get most of the parts to "convert" an FNC. Holy frick.
I hope they are cheap enough that tons of people buy them
Same here; I hope they start making or exporting other guns as well.
Why would a rifle that been being made in Indonesia for the last 32+ years with a Indonesian cost of labor be more than most AR-18's knockoffs being made in the US?
Odds are pretty fricking good that the gaAyTF is going to do some frickery to frick up the lower so it cannot take the you know what part that was produced in numbers vastly exceeding the amount of FNC's imported to the extent that they fuxked with the SCAR and specifically banned its use in the SCAR even though the part
Should expectations be adjusted when buying arms and munitions built for and exposed to a tropical monsoon climate for use by people in temperate climates?
I dated an asian chick before. She stuffed her bra just to feel like a grown woman.
I have no idea how Japanese women feel about their entertainment constantly depicting the ideal woman in a form that almost none of them can have. But it seems like they don't b***h as much as American women when our ideal is just not being fat.
Every single bullpup
The chimprain one wasnt on display thos year.... big sad
Yesss
Literally had a dream someone next to me had one of these at the range. Want so bad.
The AR-15 bullpup with the Stoner gas system was unironically good and if it is competently built and under 2k I will buy one
Voice activated trigger.
voice activated Black person
>Ayy yo blicky
>*Bloop*
>dis homie need a pop
>*Bang*
Holy shit, worst day so far this year saved in a single post! TY Anon <3
Auctioneers must be registered and pay a 200 dollar tax stamp
It's so fricking stupid. Especially the laser.
Why? The thing was intended to be used by special forces, if anyone was going to use a LAM on a belt fet its those guys.
>all of the Pindad offerings (especially the FNC)
>H&R DOE clone
>all the bullpups
and probably a bunch of things I missed. They actually had cool shit this year.
Also, everyone's talking about the Indog FNC and BM59, but I was really surprised by the 9mm FNC which I didn't even know they made. It's supposed to be actually gas operated instead of straight blowback, so I'm looking forward to hearing more about it.
Basically fricking useless for us but it would be interesting to see in military use.
Long barrel is looooooooooooooooooong
Nah, its only ~16". Less than 20", at least.
The receiver is just massive.
WoT Tank Destroyer simulator
Pic related
I cannot express in words how hyped I am for them. I don't care if they're not very good to shoot, the FNC is objectively rad as hell
Wut? I’m not up on my Guntoober watching but frick I’ve wanted an FNC para forever and just watched the prices go crazy.
Saw this a couple days ago. Imported as a pistol just like the SIGs were IIRC.
So I might not have to sell a kidney and a buy a transferable one after all? Thanks.
correcto erecto
Agreed.
I wonder how many they plan on bringing in and where the frick do I buy it. Does anyone know where I can see there website or have anymore information?
According to this article, they plan on bringing in 200 to 300 gun per month.
https://www.guns.com/news/2024/01/29/license-made-fnc-bm-59-and-pm12-headed-to-us-from-pindad-of-indonesia
I might just have to send there importer an email for more info.
was wondering what the initial release numbers will be like maybe a 1000 or something. I also wonder if they plan on bringing more than just 150 BM59 after or just a one time thing.
Given its being made in Indonesia and they have been making it for 32 years this fricker better be cheap.
Is that Hop
Read the file name
This and the PTR titanium sponge silencers piqued my interest the most.
Yeah I can postpone my illicit kidney sale to buy a transferable one now. I’ll take a PM12 too!
>02/08/24(Thu)19:27:42
Someone replying when it gets taken down
Man do I love gun breasts
Is this edited, or does she actually show her breasts in the show?
its in the last 5-10 minutes of the ova and all four show their tittes
Blessed
lol nope
This post can't be stopped
im hoping itll make it to archive
frickin degenerate filth
boobies are good for you
No, but coffee is
>bu-but thats banned!!!
>what do you mean you broke the rules!!!
>now ill have to actually do my job(that i get paid $0.00 an hour for)!
I LOVE breasts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why can't real guns have breasts on them?
>It's a Nice Gun, I'll Give You That. But the Breasts Give You No Tactical Advantage Whatsoever
we exist in the worst version of reality for weapon autists
kek
PSA MP7
Kek that's the face of a man who knows what he's doing and where the pic is going to end up
that lipseys ultimate carry revolver in 32 magnum is pretty sick if you ask me
Seconding this. .32 H&R being mainstream would be incredible. I just hope I can get one sometime soon.
Why .32 H&R when .327 fed mag exists?
j frame cylinder probably can't handle the pressure
Nah it's more likely they knew people aren't going to pay scandium prices for a pocket super niche gun. Their cylinders handle .357 just fine it's the aluminum frames that don't, even ruger uses steel for their magnum LCRs. The fact it has even this level of hype around it probably took them off guard as they were probably aiming for a nostalgic boomer market. Coupled with it being a lipseys exclusive (so essentially just sticking their toe in to test the water) we might see a proper 327 scandium option coming soon if this gun gets enough sales. Either way this is like S&Ws round 2 for getting some form of .32 caliber popular again.
I hope you're right. It's absolutely criminal how .327 Fed Mag flopped the first go-around. I would buy a six shot .327 J-frame in a heartbeat.
>Either way this is like S&Ws round 2 for getting some form of .32 caliber popular again.
It kind of makes sense with the push for .30 Super Carry. Although it doesn't seem that popular, evidently it sells well enough for Federal to make more .327 ammo than ever before.
So that's why 327 dropped 20cpr recently.
You ever shoot .327 out of an LCR? I have, it's not pleasant. .32 H&R makes much more sense in such a light and small gun. Hopefully, this helps bring it back into popularity.
I've shot .357 magnum out of an airweight J-frame, which I imagine is even less pleasant. Magnum snubbies aren't really capable of being pleasant to shoot in any event - even .38 spl out of an airweight is more uncomfortable than .44 Magnum out of my full size Model 29 imo. But if it's chambered for .327 you can shoot .327, .32 H&R, and .32 S&W out of the same gun. So why not give people the option of choosing?
It's a self defense tool, not a range toy meant to be "pleasant," you fricking homosexual.
which is exactly why you should choose a gun that you will carry and become proficient with and not a gun you will be afraid to shoot but that offers questionable gains in terminal performance
That was my exact point you drooling mongoloid
Because the serious revolver shooters S&W consulted for this said they wanted it chambered in .32 H&R Magnum. They did not say .327 Magnum, so S&W didn't make one in that caliber. Or maybe its secretly because you'd need a longer cylinder for .327 and S&W didn't care to lengthen the j frame to accommodate that. Who knows. If you want .327, the LCR exists. Most people don't want .327 from what I've seen, but everyone seems excited for .32 H&R.
>Most people don't want .327 from what I've seen, but everyone seems excited for .32 H&R
The frick, man. Can't a revolver chambered in .327 also chamber .32H&R?
Might as well go with Ruger
It's like how most people who buy j frames buy the .38 special ones, not the .357 mag ones. Sure, you can shoot .38 out of the .357s, but most people just buy the ones chambered for what they're gonna actually shoot.
for both the j-frames and LCR the .357 models are a bit heavier. The .38 are about 14 oz and the .357 models are close to 20 oz.
Although I think the bigger factor is guns stores usually just stock the .38s.
Don't know if it's the best, but I definitely want some of those clear Magpul mags
me too
Stealth Arms had the "Platypussy" out there.
For...some reason.
once saw a challenger with that color scheme, with the racing stripes down the sides rather than the bonnet. it looked cool as frick. i was quite suprised.
boomers and millenials care more about frosting than they do about the cake, it's why they made an entire culture around extremely elaborate cakes made of fondant that don't taste good
*doesn't
"...that doesn't taste good."
You moronic geriatric fricks can't even speak the only language you know. Keep complaining, though. We'll suffocate you the second you enter the nursing home.
"Cakes" is plural, so "don't" would be correct. Maybe you should take a grammar refresher instead.
>cakes that doesn’t taste good
Get out of this thread, ESL, you can’t even own guns in your country.
>boomers and millenials
on god they bussin frfr no cap
fondat tastes great you moron you are just spoiled with you fancy ass fake ass flavored sugar overload cream shit on everything
cake is supposed to be a rare treat and fondant tastes good, eat cake every god damn day like a fricking lard ass and sure it cant compete with your diabetes in a muffin slop
Anybody finger frick one yet?
Yes. They're nice. Got it recently so I need to shoot it more but it's been good for ~400 rounds so far, no failures. Good trigger, not quite staccato tier but still good since it's a 2011. I finger fricked an Oracle 2311 which had an even better trigger but the trigger pull was definitely higher than the 4-4.5lbs they claim
I really wish the internet would stop leaking into RL.
>Cerakoted instead of blued
eww
There's enough trannies now to market to them directly I guess
Glx prism
YESSSS RED DOTS GET SHIT ON FINALLY
nice. I wonder if they would ever do a PlX premium line of Prisms and out ACOG the ACOG
I don't know what the PlX premium line is, but if they start putting tritium and a fiber optic on their 1x and 2x, they can have all my money.
They have three lines, Slx is budget, Glx midrange, Plx is their premium line with the best glass and manufacturing. I think they just make Plx LPVOs atm
How I help myself remember their lineup:
Plx = Platinum Line
Glx = Gold Line
Slx = Silver Line
I honestly wouldn't be surpised if this is actually how the got the names. It just works too well.
Me still wondering what the difference is between Gls and Slx 1x prisms besides the brightness control
Better quality glass. Buttons instead of rheostat. Larger diopter which translates to better picture, essentially unlimited eye relief, and more light transmission so more usable in low light/darkness.
What's special about this one? Why pick it over an eotech?
Two completely different technologies. One is a prism, the other is holographic. Eotech is the only one doing proper holographic other than that one Vortex holo sight. Plenty do prisms. Prism have an etched reticle, not a projected one. The parallax on them is worse than even red dot sights. Those with astigmatism will love it.
I am autistic. Are you saying they are better for astigs? Or worse?
Prisms are much better for astigs.
Prism scopes don't have the blurriness of holographic sights or red dots if you have astigmatism
>t. bad eye haver
This is also what I am most excited for. I already own an SLx 1x Mircoprism and was thinking of getting a second one, but wished for something with slightly better glass.
God delivered.
If it is as good as I am hoping, red dots are dead to me. These are just strictly better.
Completely different uses imo. EOTech's are mostly for use with NODs. Outside of that you might as well use a normal red dot, more value for money and does the same thing.
The main point of these 1x prisms is to compete with standard red dots for normal use. They both perform more or less the same, but with the prism having the benfit of an adjustable diopter and also the ability to shoot with illumination off for a very crisp black reticle. Oftentimes on a bright fully sun lit range it will be far easier to see the black reticle than it will if it's lit or a comparably bright red dot.
They also have the benefit of still functioning even with a dead battery. That etched reticle will always be there, just like a normal scope.
I honestly don't think there are any downsides of a 1x prism vs a traditional red dot.
>I honestly don't think there are any downsides of a 1x prism vs a traditional red dot.
Infinite eye relief, technically, but it's completely irrelevant in most cases.
Maybe an issue for pistol-based PDW meant to work both at arms' length and shouldered. But IDK, maybe it'll work fine -- I've been waiting for the GLX to try one on a Flux Raider.)
One advantage EOTechs have is they looks was crisper under a magnifier compared to a regular red dot.
The single greatest downside of 1x prism optics vs. red dots is the serious degradation in NV performance. Outside of that one extremely expensive scenario, it's not going to hurt near so bad.
glock 19 gen 4
>Indonesian imports of BM-59 and FNC
>H&R repros of the Diemaco upper
>Dirt cheap chink red dots
>Kinda neat long stroke 308 AR upper
>Kinda neat long stroke 308 AR upper
For $6700, I don't think so.
yeah they were pegging it as a competitor to KAC SR-25, to be in the same price bracket. Yeah right. Frick that shit.
>For $6700
frick i thought they would be like $1500. not nearly worth that much for a novelty.
This shit has been in dev. for so long, I've gone from being interested to just latching onto obsessing cloning an M110
H&R isn't doing diemaco uppers? Just Colt repro stuff I thought
The boxy LMG upper was a joint venture between Colt and Diemaco. Should just call it a Colt LMG upper tbh.
I'll never understand why we don't just import it straight from Canada, they still made the retro line until 2020 when they got hit by bans...
wtf james
Ruger LC Carbine in .45
Beretta 92XI GTS
Unironically those riced out 32 Berretta bobcat things looked really fricking fun.
Tomcat, whatever. I doubt Beretta actually sells them and .32 acp is way to expensive to burn down for fun but still, it was nice to see a company putting something out there for the pure fun and whimsy of it.
>Unironically those riced out 32 Berretta bobcat things looked really fricking fun.
I really love those things. If they finally fixed the fricking frame crack problem I'll buy one.
I can't stop laughing at that dumb picture. Like what did EKOL think by naming their latest blank gun that, are they actively TRYING to market it to prior-convicted ghetto corner store robbers or what?
The H&R DOE AR9. I know it's another expensive direct blowback 9mm PCC, but it just looks so cool. At least it's not a 16-inch monstrosity.
WLVRN and 308 JAKL, no contest
Does this mean the mdr is dead?
Anything from steyr? I want all those aug vatiants theyve got in europe. I know steyr usa is like 12 dudes in a garage but how hard is it to bring over existing updates.
yes the MDRX is selling through current stock and then the WLVRN is replacing it. Fewer internal parts, no forward ejection, cheaper to produce, fewer malfunctions, and more accurate.
Unless you REALLY want forward ejection, there's no reason to get an MDRX
Frick sakes I just bought one.
Oh well. I did want the forward eject anyway.
>cheaper to produce
Cheaper to buy?
MDRX seems to have had a price drop, I remember them costing almost $2.8k but now that the WLVRN is going for $2.5k, so the answer appears to be yes to both. Cheaper to produce and buy.
for reference, MDRX is currently price dropped to $2.2k
>$2.2k
Why should I get that, when PSA is selling AR-15s for $449?
No one is cross shopping a bullpup and a psa, dont be an idiot.
A PSA jakl costs $999 without sales and it's $400 off with sales. Soon, a PSA bullpup lower will come out. Any jakl upper can be mated to it. Or you can just buy a complete bullpup. I'm betting it will be cheaper than 2.2k, no matter what.
>A PSA jakl costs $999 without sales and it's $400 off with sales. Soon, a PSA bullpup lower will come out.
.308 Jakl is interesting, but I don't think it will be cheaper than $1200. Assuming you're an adult male like me, you SHOULD have a credit card and if you have a credit card, getting a better .308 rifle than a $1200 Jakl shouldn't be too difficult. XCR have build kits and they go on sale too. Not uncommon to get an XCR for $2200. Much as I hate PSA, I wouldn't even be made if anons got .308 Jakls. Maybe after the Third Generation, a Jakl might be worth buying.
Early model Palmetto rifles are rife with parts fitment issues, parts failure issues and assembly issues. If PSA doesn't drop the line, eventually they iron out the problems. However, that doesn't guarantee that any PSA rifles won't be made with the cheapest parts and quality possible.
I don't see the appeal of a 308 JAKL. It's not like it's interchangeable with anything from the 5.56mm JAKL. There's just the price, which will probably be cheap.
>he needs to borrow money to buy his guns
You're not an adult, a male, or even white for that matter
Kit bullpups will always be inferior to purpose built rifles.
I will Kek my ass off at all the PSA hating snobs that seethe endlessly about them when PSA throws together the best bullpup of the 21st century and one of the best of all times. Better than England could do in 40 years, better than israel or Mormons. Just some good old fashion Americans who don’t over charge and price gouge and Shylock. I hope it’s amazing for nothing other than the seething.
no, no
hes right
You're not the target market
>Why should I get that, when PSA is selling AR-15s for $449?
This is the kind of moron "gun expert" that passes for an informed poster around here. Absolutely Vile.
>can't answer question
>resorts to insulting anon
the true expert
They hated him because he told the truth
The forward ejection was literally the only reason to buy a Desert Tech at all.
Being the only commercial bullpup designed this decade helped it a bit too im sure.
I dont know about this new model but il be paying attention to it. I know not everything needs to be an AR but being able to use ar grips would be nice.
Im optimistic even though $3k is extremely high. Still think my next rifle will be an srs though.
>but how hard is it to bring over existing updates
Very. Ignoring the business case, the AUG is a very hard gun to get approved for US import.
Maybe they finally beat enough shares out of Saf-T-Hammer. That was the company that owned S&W and also made those dumbass locks. Since they had so much influence over Smith, they were able to inflate their profits by forcing the gun company to buy locks from them. Even after the spin off, Saf-T-Hammer retained enough interest in the company to keep the locks in the guns. Blaming the Clintons is what they want you to do.
I know nothing about the business case. I just know theyve got like 10 different variants they sell in europe and the best we get is green or tan.
Would bringing over a different rail or stock really be that much more dofficult import wise? Its the same gun.
DT has never seem to found their footing with the semi autos. Wolverine is a gay name too.
Im sad they went back to the weird aerodynamic forend instead of the mlok rail that came out near the end of the mdrs life.
>Does this mean the mdr is dead?
The moment they stop production of mdr/x specific parts it's dead.
It's just in such a weird spot. It's marketed as a 'combat accurate' battle rifle or even a DMR but of course their customers are only going to be using it in semi auto so an AR10 DMR should be a direct upgrade in terms of weight, precision and cost as two anons were hinting at.. I still really, really want to shoot one and I think a non crippled .277 fury chambering might be a direct upgrade to the XM7 if it works well in full auto, haven't seen any footage of that.
Steyr is so fuxking slow I wouldn't expect the new AUG until after we have the .300bo barrel kits - and we've been waiting for those for quite a long time
Are the .300 kits for sure coming out now? Ive heard rumors about it forever now. Like i said i get its a small outfit in the states but i dont get why theyre so slow to respond to market demands. Do they have to beg and plead the main office to do anything?
WLVRN
>DT didn't integrate their quattro 15 mag well design into it.
>No 300 blk out
This is what people want in the platform. But they won't do it until a few years later and act like they are doing something new.
Just take the piece of shit WLVRN and do these things now.
But it has a version with .300 blackout on the website....?
ok moron
Accommodating those bigger calibers means the gun is overly heavy for a 5.56mm rifle. Once again, MDR misses the mark.
Yeah man. 7 pounds is so quackin crazy for a 5.56 rifle.
Like the 416, AUG, Hellion, X95, xcr l, scar L all weigh 7 pounds but thats just way too heavy!
>quatro mag
Its not possible with the current lower design, perhaps if theres enough interest or if they, Allah Willing, get a contract there might be a new lower in the future.
Literally just flare out the fricking magwell a little and you could fit the quadstack mags. Just do it, you pussy.
Yeah but not really.
>DT didn't integrate their quattro 15 mag well design into it.
Completely fricking useless. You have 60 round magazines in various flavors but you want a proprietary 53 round magazine instead? K den
Better to complain about their lack of confidence in continuing forward eject or the fact that they didn't include the option to use AR-15 grips or the bolt release not being put in reach of your firing hand's index finger
D60s and surefire 60s arent good.
Tavor style bolt release is great man, have you never used one?
>60 round magazines
>drum mag in bullpup
Confirmed for having no idea what you're talking about. Drums dig into your dominant arm no matter how you hold the pistol grip. They're incompatible with bullpups unless you're cool with your gun being actively hostile to handling it.
There are 60 round stanag mags but aight
>unless you're cool with your gun being actively hostile to handling it
It's a bullpup.
Easily the flux chassis for the 365. Single most functional item there.
big if true
It's the flux 365 but in a bad caliber. 5.7 is only good with good ammo, and nobody will sell you good ammo.
>You have 60 round magazines
drum magazines in a bullpup? No thanks and don't even try to start shilling those surefire abominations.
>the option to use AR-15 grips
I can't think of a bigger meme in the gun industry. Actually I can it's the XM7's double charging handle but seriously who cares, put some tape on the grip if you really think you need it (you don't)
PSA Enhanced Sabre M4 (KAC KS-1 clone), b&t hub mount for surefire, b&t suppressors (can apparently make you w/e you want too)
I thought B&T suppressors were cheap and outdated? I never see anyone saying anything positive about them.
New desert tech rifle looks great
.308 jakl
I want it now
>gun is called NIG 211
>211 is police code for robbery
this had to be intentional
Better yet, it's a blank-firing replica, so no background check. Most of these ghetto robbers have enough priors to instantly fail a 4473, so a lot of them carry replicas when knocking over the local liquor store.
X5.7
Godbless psa
What's the price? The only way they can frick it up is if it's over $800.
I think they're shooting for a $999 price point
That's what I assumed but a grand for a pseudo knock off is too much, 800 is the sweet spot, because after tax and the transfer fee and shipping and that shit it is just in the acceptable range.
It's PSA, bro. They have 50% off sales all the time.
Yeah, they're gonna have a 50% off sale to launch their new gun,
theyll lower it im sure over time.
that is absolutely fricking hideous. Did they hire Hi-points designers?
I know it’s a 3D printed prototype, but damn it looks moronic. And I like the idea of a 5.7 PDW style gun but
It looks like it was made by AI.
This would have been 400x better if they had gone with 9mm instead of gay.7 so they could actually use the form factor of a curved magazine.
its like a gun from an 80s dystopian scifi movie.
Can a striker fired semi auto like the new psa mp5.7 have an FRT trigger built for it? Or is that only for hammer fired guns.
gflex and franklin armory have a binary trigger thing for the glock. In the case of the g flex it's a literal trigger replacement in a bag but the FA version is a whole new slide (don't know if it also has to have a different trigger to work with it).
Tl:dr binary triggers for striker fired guns are possble.
I assumed binary was possible for striker fired. But what I'm really wondering about is an FRT.
I've tried both and while binary is fun and more developed. FRT is nearly indistinguishable from automatic fire when it's tuned right.
An MP7 like firearm with an FRT would be immensely enjoyable and practical in a civil unrest scenario.
>Can a striker fired semi auto like the new psa mp5.7 have an FRT trigger built for it?
>FRT for striker fired
yes.
>inb4 source
stay tuned. trust the plan. two more years.
in reality, wait for rare breed to win against the atf and well get some. everyone is paranoid right now.
I'm fairly confident they will win I was just wondering if there is something about striker fired reset that precludes it from being forced forwards.
A guy on a different forum told me it was impossible, but did not offer any explanation. But then I noticed that nobody made any frts for glocks, so I just wanted to confirm.
>A guy on a different forum told me it was impossible, but did not offer any explanation.
classic move. all i can tell you right now is, it is 100% possible and that i would bet my life on such a proposition.
it all just depends on which gun and how much of the internals you want to change. all depends, each gun is different.
i dont want to say too much but keep an eye out for one in the future. might be sooner than you think brother.
Thanks Bruv. I just ordered a rock and I'm thiggin bought stacking 5.7 deep.
I got a buddy who is a cop. So I might ask him to order some of the verboten stuff.
psa already said they are working with franklin on a binary for the rock and x5.7
Like I've said; bianary is fun. But FRT is practically full auto.
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not a fan of "if you squint across the room it sort of looks like it" shit like this, just buy a T7
3.5k is too much
>cakes ... that doesn't taste good
hooked on ebonics
The new only gun I've ever been excited about, the upgraded j frame in .32 h&r.
I've come to the conclusion that two finger guns should be snubs. I really like shooting my g42, but I've caused malfunctions by gripping it wrong, and that was on a flat range. The g48 is my idea of a minimum sized automatic.
>chamfered charge holes for easy loading
I think that's possibly the only time in history that someone has called the chambers in a revolver cylinder "charge holes". Especially for a cartridge revolver.
>I think that's possibly the only time in history that someone has called the chambers in a revolver cylinder "charge holes".
zoomer detected
>no Hilary Hole
Is S&W finally healing?
If they want to sell J-frames to cops, they will remove the lock.
If only everyone refused to spend money on them....
Boot boys don't deserve smiths or colts. Enjoy your glock, drone. *jams*
No it's a s&w is lazy thing. They already went through the trouble of transitioning their revolvers to holed frames and now people have to bend their arms to make their classics line actually classic and remove the hole. The new j frame is just built on the pre lock 642 frames. There's also the fact that people don't actually care. If people can ignore WARNING WARNING READ MANUAL BEFORE FIRING WARNING WARNING YOU WILL DIE WARNING WARNING on the sides of their berettas and rugers then they'll ignore a comparatively tiny hole.
A modified S&W J frame was best in show in 2024. (I agree completely)
Illustrative of how solved small arms are for civilians, particularly in the States with ar's and polymer double stacks.
This is a very good observation. The meta has been pretty stagnant for a while. The last real innovation was the micro doublestacks like the P365. The Ultimate Carry j frame is mostly just incremental improvements and bringing an overlooked caliber back into the mainstream, but what they're advertising will be an excellent pocket gun.
redpill me on .32 H&R Magnum, how's it compared to .38 Special?
.38 can be a handful in my 642 sometimes, I admit; one of the reasons I avoid anything BB/Underwood
The Beretta BRX-1 looks like a tacticool hunting rifle. I'm gonna buy one in .308
Im interested to see what other chamberings they'll make for it since it can quick swap. Hope they come out with one for intermediate cartridges and takes stanag mags, straight pull ruger american style lol
I handled 1 of 4 that were in Canada a few months ago. They're extremely nice. The straight pull action is very smooth. In general I like it more than the Blaser R8.
I still have yet to handle a Savage Impulse(Heym-style straight pull), so no comparison yet to that.
mother frick is that thing ugly, rounded everywhere it shouldn't be and angular in all the wrong places.
beretta = tikka
Call me boring but knowing that Colt is making a blued python is making me interested
>nuColt
An idiot is born every minute
And what do you suggest? paying $1,000+ MSRP to a greedy boomer?
>implying Colt has been good at any point in the last 50 years
Shiggy-diggy
Reminds me, they could have made something good looking and modern by DLC coating the stainless model.
NuColt doesn't exist anymore. It's now Czolt.
>dat Ripple
Diversity hire is obvious.
>nig 211
I am really fond of the new 2024 plastic pistol in 9mm from that company
The 2023 new plastic 9mm was good too as was the 2022
I'm looking forward to their R-series guns.
I'm most excited for the Pindad SS1. Apparently they're developing an AK5 clone too. I am saving up immediately. Pure kino.
I hope they are cheap enough that tons of people buy them
They're developing an AK5 clone?! I remember coming across a pic of one years ago and going "that'd be neat". Dreams were pretty much shattered when I learned how rare they are; I could do it but I wasn't THAT interested that I'd pour thousands into it to hopefully get most of the parts to "convert" an FNC. Holy frick.
Same here; I hope they start making or exporting other guns as well.
When was the last time something like this dropped and ended up being less expensive than everyone guessed? Never?
They're gonna be $2500 and pure ass
Why would a rifle that been being made in Indonesia for the last 32+ years with a Indonesian cost of labor be more than most AR-18's knockoffs being made in the US?
Because they told us the MSRP is $2500.
>Because they told us the MSRP is $2500.
because they see the demand from the price of OG Fn ones and they know this is the thing that they can charge what they want and will get it.
Odds are pretty fricking good that the gaAyTF is going to do some frickery to frick up the lower so it cannot take the you know what part that was produced in numbers vastly exceeding the amount of FNC's imported to the extent that they fuxked with the SCAR and specifically banned its use in the SCAR even though the part
it and of itself is the registered item
>AK5 clone
Big if true. I think the FNC is neat but a full blown AK5 clone would really be great.
honestly im not really excited for anything as I see a lot of this shit either being quietly discontinued in a couple years or just forgotten.
either the 5.56 lever gun or the 10mm dagger
H&R RO633 and the new blued Colt Python are the ones I’m most pumped about
I liked PA’s new pistol optic, if only because I think the reticle is a neat idea and more variety will hopefully keep driving prices down.
Should expectations be adjusted when buying arms and munitions built for and exposed to a tropical monsoon climate for use by people in temperate climates?
The PTR silencers are genuinely innovative and cool. Other than that.... not much.
What appeared to be the GD LMMG chambered in .338TVCM. Pretty much the machine gun I've been dreaming of.
Also the fact that there's still a non 0 chance the amicus gets released.
If it ever does, it will cost $5k minimum.
that scares me less than the potential ammunition cost
There goes my nofap record
I dated an asian chick before. She stuffed her bra just to feel like a grown woman.
I have no idea how Japanese women feel about their entertainment constantly depicting the ideal woman in a form that almost none of them can have. But it seems like they don't b***h as much as American women when our ideal is just not being fat.
Lol. Let's see how long this lasts
Already gone
Nope. Clean it up janny