Why do soldiers in combat footage magdump thousands of rounds into nothing with zero clear view of the enemy?
>muh gain fire superiority
who cares who's shooting the most bullets if no one is hitting anything
>muh suppressive fire
It's not though, I've played airsoft and paintball and unless there are BBs landing directly around you then you can just walk around on the field when people are magdumping at you.
All shooting lots does is tell everybody where you are so they can locate you by sound.
Imagine if you were in a forest in Ukraine and one shot rings out and everybody runs to cover and then there's complete silence and people are looking through their optics and scanning for the enemy. One enemy moves from one tree to the next and you never knew he was there. Another guy makes a dash somewhere else. While you're looking at that tree you hear movement somewhere else and just miss it. Suddenly a grenade lands at your feet and explodes and you die.
Now imagine you're in a forest and two sides are firing hundreds of rounds at each other on full auto, both sides radio in artillery on each other and have the exact 10 digit grid reference because there has been 15 minutes of uninterrupted machinegun fire from that same position.
like the ol' Gunny used to say, you ain't gonna hit anything if ya never shoot. There's your answer OP.
I've never been in combat but I have played a lot of Combat Mission games where "firing in the general direction of where I think the enemy is" is very effective at killing lots of little army men. Once you take fire, just open fire and blow everything up, and you keep shooting, pour it on, then the shooting stops, then you advance and there's a bunch of little dead pixels.
I don't know why people think war is so complicated.
Setting this up in CM is obnoxious without area fire orders for infantry and AFVs. Also, don't use Fast unless you need to get to cover under fire. Quick gives you better spotting and you get a few turns before the unit gets tired unless you made them carry a ridiculous amount of ammo.
fascinating analysis, it seems like your airsoft experience has granted you more wisdom than any NCO
is this some kinda bait? no way you're that moronic OP
explain to me how shooting in the general direction of the enemy is supposed to kill the enemy and not just tell him exactly where you are?
Imagine you're the enemy and you shoot at the other side and the other side has a machinegun shooting at nothing and you're sitting safe in cover observing
>brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
oh they have a machinegun
>brrrrrrrrrrrrt
hmm it looks approximately 300m away
>brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
I reckon it's to our 10 o'clock
>brrrrrrrrrrrrt
everyone else will be at least within 25m of the machinegun
>brrrrrrrrrrrrt
time to call down a fire mission on the machinegun
everybody dies because the machiengun was shooting at nothing
>explain to me how shooting in the general direction of the enemy is supposed to kill the enemy
because it's not, you supress the enemy with gunfire and kill it with explosives/call arty/CAS or part of your squad maneuvers to more favourable position and attacks that enemy from the flank. and to maneuver you need that fire superiority, because nobody moves when there's a wall of fire coming towards them.
>nobody moves when there's a wall of fire coming towards them
frick off unless it's accurate fire who cares, and you can't give accurate fire shooting from the other side of a mountain in afghanistan
>frick off unless it's accurate fire who cares
shit anon are you moronic? when bullet lands near you it's a good reason to stay in fricking cover instead of catching another shot with your empty head. it's not a sniper fire but there's a lot of lead coming towards you.
If you go for a picnic at the park do you guys run away from bees when they fly near you or do you only care if they land on your food?
The best chance to kill the enemy 1v1 is to get close, throw grenades and charge through the position in surprise. Why waste all that time shooting when you could be advancing on them and have them only know where you are if they see you when you move between cover
you can't do a sneak attack if you shoot the whole way there
If bullets start flying at your general direction, then you have to get to cover. One shot can do more damage against you and you have to reduce the risk of getting shot. If the enemy is nowhere to be seen, then you'd have to pin point their position on the location where the shot came from
I'm amazed that people can know so little but speak with such authority
anon infantry storms enemy positions only when there's no other way to achieve objective. and even in this case there's no 'sneak attack', best cqb tool is a grenade (a lot of them actually).
>A supersonic projectile anywhere near me is exactly the same as a plastic sphere travelling very slowly
Shit starts fricking exploding around you. Chunks of trees and logs get carved up and out. Dirt starts flying everywhere. Dust being knocked off of shit you never imagined dust to be. Every round fire in your general direction is a sonic boom that rapes your ears. Adrenaline spikes. Any that are close enough will make you momentarily dizzy and marginally less coordinated.
With access to actual military equipment, this is likely to be coupled with actual explosives, which don't have to be close to you to wind you, shrink your butthole so tight you WISH you could shit yourself, ring your bell, potentially give you TBIs or Football Player Syndrome later in life, make your ears bleed, or turn your cover into concealment.
When all this shit is happening and your only option to continue living is to shit out the biggest wall of lead you can at the buttholes ruining your day, worrying about hitting individual targets becomes a liability.
To put it another way, don't think of the individual troops as their own entities, think of their units as entities you're engaging. War is about surviving while slinging the most efficient and effective destruction and death. Airsoft and paintball are just a slightly-further-away game of tag or flag football.
thanks
>Unless it's accurate fire who cares
Gee, I dunno, staying put behind cover and making yourself an unavailable target while the enemy is shooting *into* the bushes and your position, or make yourself a man sized target that's also much easier to spot as it moves between static shrubbery, rocks, trees, etc. I'm sure you'll survive exposing yourself to the enemy squad bro. Just stand up and run around in front of the machinegun bro.
>frick off unless it's accurate fire who cares, and you can't give accurate fire shooting from the other side of a mountain in afghanistan
Are you moronic?
>t. armchair general
He thinks guns work like video game hip-fire accuracy.
Give me a belt fed machine gun and I will have a wall of lead aimed at chest level coming in you general direction. If you move you are going to get hit. Remember it isn't just one guy shooting it will be at least a fireteam or squad. That is 2 SAWs/ m240s, 6 m4s, 1 or 2 m203 grenade launchers, and maybe a designated marksman to pick off people trying to crawl away.
Stupid civilian go learn basic battle drills
Because it pins the enemy down. The enemy cannot see the bullets, but only hear them. They also do not want to get hit by hit regardless of how off the aim is. Which is why you see videos of soldiers ducking down even when the shot missed them.
if there are round going wildly over your head who cares, surely it's only if you hear a loud crack or rounds hitting the dirt next to you that you should be concerned
Anon, the enemy cannot see the bullets. No matter how far or close, once they recieved fire in their general direction, they will stay pinned there.
>who cares
people that don't want to die
if you're asking why you're the only person on the planet to think of an obvious solution to something that literally millions would have the incentive to improve.. consider the most likely answer: you're gay and moronic and fundamentally misunderstand what you're talking about.
Nobody needs to explain anything to you lol. You're not a soldier. Feel free to have stupid ideas because your life isn't at risk so they'll never matter.
>not just tell him exactly where you are
If they're shooting at you they already know where you are
Don't post on my board ever again
Nobody tell him
The eye can see better than a camera. Also, even if you can't see the enemy, the location of where their shooting at gives them away and you can provide suppressing fire at the general direction. Soldiers also have optics that can let them see farther.
They were purposely trained wrong, as a joke.
>Ukraine tourists has no idea what fire superiority is
And the filename says this this screenshot was taken on the 16th so he's some stupid noguns eurotard too
>I've played airsoft and paintball
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 you're a fricking homosexual frick off
>who cares who's shooting the most bullets if no one is hitting anything
okay you see anon, when you supress position of the enemy, that means those little frickers coming out of your gun are flying towards guys over there. and here's the catch - bullets fricking kill you moron. those guys over there generally don't want to die, so they're taking cover instead of maneuvering/shooting something big/throwing grenades.
why dont we see videos coming out like action movies where there are cuts from the shooting soldier and the soldier being shot.
t. OP
> unless there are BBs landing directly around you then you can just walk around on the field when people are magdumping at you
Anons, pay attention. This is how you shitpost.
The US Military hasn't been engaged in close-range guerilla warfare in forested environments in over 50 years and they failed hardcore the last time and were literally defeated by illiterate farmers with rusty hand-me-down SKSs.
Awfully bold to assume 8th group has run zero COIN ops in S. America since they were tasked with chasing down Guevarra.
>the last time
Anon, the vietcong got fricking massacred in the late 60s. They nearly went extinct and had to be rebuilt after america left. Vietcong is a meme and the NVA did majority of the work. Why do do you Black folk assume Vietnam was this guerilla force when its also a professional army that got their supplies and training from the soviets/chinese themselves?
America lost and ran away with it's tail between it's legs just like Afghanistan. Get over it.
> But muh
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No. The enemy completed their objectives and retained control of the regions. America didn't. Full. Fricking. Stop.
>America lost and ran away with it's tail between it's legs just like Afghanistan. Get over it.
And the vietnamese army themselves unable to do anything when the american military was there? Anon, it took the NVA 2 years to capture south Vietnam after america left. The americans didn't even bother fully invading the north because of threats of soviet/chinese interventions(korea was still fresh). Vietcong didn't do shit and they all got massacred during the tet offensive. Stop downplaying the efforts that the NVA did as vietcong efforts. Afghanistan wasn't even that much of a fight given that america only had like less than 2k troops in the country in 2020 and the military stopped doing operations against the taliban since 2014. Both wars is not the issue about the US military, but an issue with the host country that the US military is aiding. The military is not there forever and you need a strong host to be able to fend for themselves. Which was a problem because south Vietnam and the Afghan republic were too corrupted to be by themselves.
It wasn't just corruption, culture was a massive issue for both. Neither really had any interest in being part of the wider world, or unifying, or standing up for human rights as would be expected.
Corruption was a big factor in that culture. Their lack of care caused a massive scale of corruption that hindered the country at a fundamental level.
>lost and ran away
The vietnamese military and the Taliban didn't do shit against the us military. If its an actual loss, then the nva and the taliban would have to force the US to leave, which did not happen at all between the fall of saigon and the fall of kabul. There were no battles between the 2 countries before the war was over.
>Imagine if you were in a forest in Ukraine
There's no such thing. There's really no forests in Europe at all outside of Scandinavia except a few pockets in Austria and Romania. White people ruined the whole continent.
>White people ruined the whole continent.
And thats a good thing
Frick the environment
I say remove the atmosphere next
there are forests in ukraine, russians just never managed to push that far.
No there aren't. You might be able to find trees somewhere in the country, but definitely not forests. Maybe there's like one small one somewhere or something but that's it. Europeans don't know what a forest is.
>Europeans don't know what a forest is.
Khmmm, estonian here, literally 51% of ALL land is a forest here - not "some patch of trees" but an actual forest.....not many but few people get lost every year for days at a time before found.
honestly one of my favorite things about your country, the forests are just so comfy.
are you OP because this is probably one of the most moronic takes I've seen in while.
Have you ever been out of the US son?
tree farms are not forests. forests have standing dead trees, snags, logs, etc.
this guy gets it. most people have never seen a forest
try to be a horse nomad in an heavily forested region
>I've played airsoft and paintball
Bait.
And apparently a quite successful one at that.
Inaccurate suppressive fire isn't going to be effective on hardened veteran troops, correct. Neither is it a suicidal action. You're not a fricking vampire bat, you can't echolocate their position just listening to the cracks and dispersed sounds of gunfire. Recon by fire is also a thing.
cose it cheap
Too OPs credit
If every soldier/squad had suicide fpv drones that could be deployed quickly then machine gunners would be suicide
The job of bullets is not to kill the enemy, but to control the enemy. Sometimes they pull double duty.
The job of (non-SF) infantry is to act as a sensory organ for long range fires or air assets, or as a screen, or scouts, or to pull security - etc, but rarely do you answer to infantry with just infantry. Always be escalating.
Infantry use bullets to control the enemy, but ordnance invariably does most of the casualty production.
Airsoft and paintball are analogous to ultralight infantry versus ultralight infantry. It resembles exactly what it is; untrained civvies with weapons learning largely through experience, but no access to actual military hardware.
Infantry should be able to handle threats instead of being voyuer cucks relying on everyone else
Give them all a few fpv suicide drones
They can, that's not the issue. Why would you ever not want to use overpowering force? Why the frick would you go,
>Nah, leave all that big shit behind, let's all go maybe die so we can feel like BIG STRONK MEN.
For sure, I just felt it worth pointing out there was a whole lot going on with the shit states of developing countries we tried to save.
ITT: larper OP founds out about necessity of combined arms in modern warfare.
War would be so much more kino if soldiers were only allowed to shoot at enemies when they’re in sight. Imagine actual gunfight headcam videos and not just grunts spraying mags in the general direction of where they think the enemy is
Modern centerfire arms have a range beyond Unaided human eyesight.
Ok so if shooting rounds at nothing is so good then why did soldiers in WW1 and WW2 have 5 round magazines and firearm inventors didn't make 20 round mags as soon as they progressed from black powder muskets?
and don't come at me with the MP1918 submachinegun, 9mm doesn't have the range like 8mm mauser no one was suppressing anybody with an MP18
suppressing fire only matters at 100m and under, anything more is a waste of ammo
Because thats what they got, Black person.
anon if you still don't get it, then whatever just forget about it, you don't need this information anyway.
Get yourself a fricking medal! You just rewrote warfare doctrine for the US military. Out-fricking-standing!!!
>y r adultz so STOOPID and me so smart!?!?
you need to be 18 or older to post here
Sometimes Jinn or spirits frick with personnel
Generally people don’t like it when bullets travel in their general direction you fricking moron
>I've played airsoft and paintball
it's a ponzi scheme. Lake City bribed dill instructors to teach em wrong. Makes more money from the taxpayer. Suppressive fire is a placebo. Nukes aren't real. All modern wayfair is a lie by spooks
The corruption needs to end
>dill instructor
always knew the herb industry was behind it all
OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE
BIG HERB PUTS SPICES IN YOUR FOOD
>I've played airsoft and paintball
OPinion discarded
suppressive fire is a meme entirely fabricated by the israelites in the military industrial complex
shot placement is king, but the real clown show is that ARMIES ACTUALLY FRICKING DO THIS
>I've played airsoft and paintball
It's because your average infantry man is only there to locate and distract the enemy, aircraft does all the actual killing. A group of men in clown costumes with a radio could do the same job.
Suppressive fire?
>I've played airsoft and paintball
Oh Jesus fricking Christ.
In a close up, deep shit situation i'll burn through every mag possible, toss every grenade within reach and then some, even pull out a pistol and blast away while all the time yelling at the top of my lungs for support fire.
This isn't a goddamned game.
I will bump this threar with this picture because you utter dick nuggets lack the discipline to resist the temptation.