Shaheds are expensive.

Leaked Iranian emails reveal they cost 200K to 300K a piece. Not the 10 thousand dollar drone they were making it out to be.

Cruise missiles are still the MVP

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    source

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bulk order
      >price per unit goes up
      Que? Isn't it normally the other way around?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, nevermind. Apparently I'm still sleep deprived because I managed to transpose the order quantities while scanning the tweet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If demand goes crazy and they are allowed to set any price, a 10x price tag is nothing out of the ordinary. Lots of State Level buyers have a central and mega bank or dozen on their side too, so they can get easy loans for more equipment.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick makes them so expensive considering the quality?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What the frick makes them so expensive
        russia's desperation

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cost of smuggling western electronics through 3rd countries.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cost of smuggling western electronics through 3rd countries.

        Iran's under sanctions which makes everything prohibatively expensive due to supply and demand.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Iran's under sanctions
          from china?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because beggars can't be choosers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        beeing under sanctions doesnt mean you cant buy a Mercedes it mean you have one that has been bought in Dubai send to Kazakhstan and smuggled in. so it cost 200%.

        so the parts for it are more expensive, because the strawbuyers want extra for the trouble and its high risk because the ambassador of dubai has to explain why the part the ordered are in a Russian drone

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        market forces anon
        both Russoa and Iran were late to the capitalism game abd suck at it as a result.
        Iran is paying ten times the price for every part they use and charging the russians ten times THAT price when they sell

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >source
      >twitter screencap
      >not even a link to it
      go frick yourself

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a twitter post
        AHHAHAHHAHAA
        HAHAHAHAHHAHA
        AHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
        >source?
        >"people familiar with the emails thinking"

        There was a hack of some emails and powerpoint presentations pertaining to the Shaheds. Picrel is an overview of the Shahed assembly process

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how the frick did Russia do this?
          injected molded plastic?
          diagrams?
          resin?
          epoxy even?

          you people swore to me they were fricking thirdies, that cant even tie their shoes, and here they go with their fricking space program again, and the heckin' shahednik

          I simply dont get it
          they're too drunk to make something THIS advanced
          theyre too brown
          im very, VERY worried about the implications of this wunderwaffe's leak

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i dont see any drones, this is a motorboat production manual

            fibreglass in epoxy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://simorgh.io/files/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it's epoxy, layers of cloth epoxy and carbon fibre I bet you could make it cheaper and better than whatever the hell this is, engine is probably Chinese I haven't seen manuals for it, warhead can be whatever you want to

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bro making plastic shit is so easy that even thirdies can do it thats why all the factories moved to China

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm still curious about the carbon fibre black Shaheds that have been seen

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lack paint

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See

            https://i.imgur.com/BLNhuIY.png

            Oh yeah guys it's totally fake~
            Don't mind all the promo material demonstrating a long range data uplink with a drone acting as a repeater~

            It seems Russia uses the black ones as repeaters

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a twitter post
      AHHAHAHHAHAA
      HAHAHAHAHHAHA
      AHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
      >source?
      >"people familiar with the emails thinking"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was a thread here about a year ago where autistic anon calculated the cost of shahed in ~$165k judging by the debris. This leak confirms this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This leak confirms this
          may I see proof
          may I see the Source?

          i want to dab on some pesky vatniks,
          dumb as they are, they wont take just anyones word you see

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This page states the contract for the sneed drones will be paid with 2 metric tons of gold bullion

            https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/stalo-vidomo-skilky-koshtuye-shahed-136-dlya-rosiyi/

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              original

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/R1ehBes.jpg

                This page states the contract for the sneed drones will be paid with 2 metric tons of gold bullion

                https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/stalo-vidomo-skilky-koshtuye-shahed-136-dlya-rosiyi/

                Really want to know how much gold a KN-23 costs, the initial costs would be really high due to needing to buy the launchers and loading vehicles right?

                Not to mention extra in case the Russians steal the launcher design lol.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Damn the ruble ain't what it used to be huh. Russia does have some of the larger national gold reserves in the world at about 2300 tons.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some of those reserves are held by Western nations, no?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. They're all local.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Selling a 10k drone for 200k a pop
      Never trust an Arab. Especially not when it comes to haggling or negotiating deals.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >193,000 for 6,000 units

      That's like $32 each. I don't think you understand how much $32 USD is in Iran, its basically a few thousand.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its 193K EACH if you buy 6000 or 290K each if you buy just 2000, you illiterate Black person.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If I was Russian I would have some strong thoughts about my government spending $2 billion to blow up random Ukrainian apartments.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/WyiyTnq.jpg

      Leaked Iranian emails reveal they cost 200K to 300K a piece. Not the 10 thousand dollar drone they were making it out to be.

      Cruise missiles are still the MVP

      The company involved in this contract paid for production schematics, Russia is going to produce their own Shaheds.
      https://sanctions.nazk.gov.ua/en/sanction-company/11738/

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are getting scammed
    paying 10x of the actual price

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This has to be just price gouging, no way those things cost more than 10k to make. I also thought they set up a factory in Russia?

      >bulk order
      >price per unit goes up
      Que? Isn't it normally the other way around?

      So Iran, China, and India are taking advantage of Russia's desperation? Lol. Lmao even.

      >drone cost probably is over $150k for Iran, as bare minimum
      Damn spot on with a markup of ~$50k.

      I really want to know how much the Norks are charging for KN-23s and how much a Iskander costs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how much the Norks are charging
        It is quite obvious that Ruskies exchanged their satellite and rocket tech to norks. In addition of silly amounts of foreign currencies they had remaining.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >foreign currencies
          Somehow i doubt the worlds best counterfeiters accept payment in paper.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Gotta have some legit dosh you can mix with counterfeits

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Where would they even spend it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bribes, mostly

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I suppose some pocket cash is needed to get literal truckloads of meth and captigon past the occasional border guard.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia has released $9 million in frozen North Korean assets after the isolated country provided Moscow with arms for its war against Ukraine, The New York Times reported Tuesday, citing anonymous Western intelligence officials.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    äää

    check the catalog
    and wait for better reporting
    prana is unreliable
    also cross-ref with CAR

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there was a document leak it's real

      • 2 weeks ago
        äää

        that is what "prana" referred to
        they are a hybrid cyber & info op

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dont want to be a doubter, but which document shows the actual price. This document just shows a receipt for gold worth roughly 130 million. The link on that post also do not provide any other pages of this document

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This has to be just price gouging, no way those things cost more than 10k to make. I also thought they set up a factory in Russia?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude, I pilot a drone that cost almost $2000 just for hobby
      A guided drone full of explosives that can cross a country for 10k? No way

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if they were really 10k to make don't you think russia would be launching more than a few a day? we know they're poor but come on

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So Iran, China, and India are taking advantage of Russia's desperation? Lol. Lmao even.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything becomes more expensive when you have to go through middlemen to get the parts to make them. Every time a part changes hands the cost goes up. What might have started as some electronic component worth maybe $50 on the open market can easily become $500 if you don't have access to it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all parts can be bought from chinks for cheap

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If everyone else gets to charge Iran ten times market price why the frick would the chinks give them RRP?
        They are gouging the absolute frick out of Russia and Iran just like everyone else, there is no loyalty amongst thieves

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So? Russia has trillions of dollars in reserves + trillions more deep underground in the form of natural resources, etc. She can buy millions of Shaheds and produce millions more of Gerans, which is essentially the same thing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes moron cope more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trillions more deep underground in the form of natural resources
      Russia can't extract shit without help from the west.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So? Russia has trillions of dollars in reserves + trillions more deep underground in the form of natural resources, etc. She can buy millions of Shaheds and produce millions more of Gerans, which is essentially the same thing.

        I presume this is a false-flag post, since it's too stupid.

        >So? Russia has trillions of dollars in reserves

        They're blowing them to prop up the economy. And they also have gold reserves which they are using to evade sanctions. These will not last forever.

        >trillions more deep underground in the form of natural resources

        Their education system collapsed decades ago, and they lack the investment to get them out without Euro-American investment. And Ukraine has recently started hitting refineries too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trillions more deep underground in the form of natural resources
      Just that oil and gas is probably the last thing Iran wants from the Russians. They have enough themselve.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who is the "she" in your sentence?
      Do you have carpet on the walls?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He definitely do have carpet on the wall. And a conscription notice to avdiivka

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is not going to be great again because you shout how he has squilions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > trillions in reserve
      Why are you lying? It's more than that. It's gorillions.

      An tigers, russia has tigers, how could you forget?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some anon already proved this on /k/ in Oct 2022:
    https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55838101/#q55838101

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >drone cost probably is over $150k for Iran, as bare minimum
      Damn spot on with a markup of ~$50k.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Might be closer to the 200k number before the markup because of trying to smuggle electronics around the sanctions. I don't know if they're good enough to actually cut costs in other meaningful ways to bring it back down in terms of manufacturability optimizations.

        CAR has an addendum to the panel of experts on yemen reporting, updated for the indigenized russian components (which are making the unit cost go moronic)

        >indigenized Russain components
        How are they fricking this up? I have to know because of the Russian ability to turn everything to shit. They're hypothetically capable (Haas CNCs and other imported machinery) of making the engines fully domestically given how old of a design it is.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The shaeed has changed a lot since it's inception.

          You can find Chinese copies for 50k.

          The shaeed went from:

          a super low tech Chinese motorbike engine with wings married to a satellite phone and with gps for guidance guidance and a couple of actuators for the control surfaces which could cost around 30k in total. That drone could only fly in a straight line and dive on to a target. This drone was useful for swarms towards very large immobile targets like a electric power plant or an airport.

          To a drone with a lot more components in order to be able to keep working trough gps jamming, the ability to set up waypoint and altitude much more precisely, able to hit much smaller target, some inertial guidance system and the ability to glide into a target from different angles. Also the satellite positioning system was greatly upgraded to the point that it can strike much smaller targets and it had a data link for dynamic change of waypoints.

          All in all it does still the same job but now it is useable even against an enemy that expects it to come.

          However the price ballooned to the point that it kind of defeats it original core concept of a very cheap long range gliding bomb that can be sent out in large enough numbers to overwhelm AA.
          Now at 200k+ the shaeed is only cost effective against ballistic missile defenses.

          But also it might be they are just ripping off the Russians or that the price is so high because people in the Russian MOD are getting massive kickbacks in order to place order which would have been the case for sure at least before the war.

          > making the engines fully domestically given how old of a design it is.

          The Norks stole an entire advanced ultralight/paraglider company from the RoK and shared with Iran (Norks enabled the Hamas attack) so it's possible Iran is using Nork engines or more likely domestic copies.

          Note that any engine marked 'made in china' could very well be a Nork bootleg. So no matter where the engines come from it isn't Russia, their 'domstic production' could be quite expensive as they might be setting up to make Russian copies of Iranian copies of Best Korean copies of Worst Korean engines.

          Image related : They see your DCMA request

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Norks charging golden premium on Russians
            kek

            any cheap phone can do that moron

            Try using smartphone grade INS and GPS in a Cessna to land precisely moron.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>Land precisely

              Kek

              What about instead of "land precisely" you just want want to crash that Cessna into an electric power station sized target? Would that work with smartphone grade INS and gps?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Try it in a jamming environment and see how well it works. You still need to hit the vitals of the plant rather than doing the equivalent of a clean shot through someone's ass muscles. You can already get the shittiness of phone INS the moment there's no A-GPS via the towers and the GPS lock shits out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hitting anywhere in a substation is a success
                You are a moron.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are interesting engines. MDR-208 flapper sealed rotaries. They wear out quickly but on the edge for power to weight in other words perfect for suicide drones.

            Chinese origin, I hypothesize Chinks prototyped simple rotary long ago and it wasn't any good in terms of endurance (typically aren't). But - there was interest and steady orders, and it went from there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      äää

      CAR has an addendum to the panel of experts on yemen reporting, updated for the indigenized russian components (which are making the unit cost go moronic)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People like that Anon are why I hang out on this board, that shit was fricking legit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll be fricking dogged. I've still got some of the files he posted saved on my computer, 'cause I knew that shit was too detailed to be larp. Autism wins again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's me.
        It's an invasion
        They are trading fuel for herpes and aids
        They'll run out of fuel then stop outside kyiv
        Ukraine will do a thunder run then the line will go WW1
        This will go on for years
        Wagner will revolt
        Russia lost the black sea
        Norks are selling shells
        Dems and Republican will make deal with Israel, border and Ukraine
        That's me

        The war has cost Russia roughly 2.3 trillion. They are effectively done as a regional power after this and are in going north Korea.
        Putin thinks this is the Korean war part 2

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Adding on
          Russians can't even hold the locations they claim anymore. You have the Russian troops and where they aren't. The front for them is 360 degrees now. Everyone wants them dead including other Russians who are hungry or low in ammo or just cold.
          This war will go 4 or 5 more years. After Russia loses 3 or 4 million they'll call it peace

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia can't make them
    >get fricked on price
    Hahahahaha, they really should be $10K to $20k but the Iranians have been learning from the israelites.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The shaeed has changed a lot since it's inception.

    You can find Chinese copies for 50k.

    The shaeed went from:

    a super low tech Chinese motorbike engine with wings married to a satellite phone and with gps for guidance guidance and a couple of actuators for the control surfaces which could cost around 30k in total. That drone could only fly in a straight line and dive on to a target. This drone was useful for swarms towards very large immobile targets like a electric power plant or an airport.

    To a drone with a lot more components in order to be able to keep working trough gps jamming, the ability to set up waypoint and altitude much more precisely, able to hit much smaller target, some inertial guidance system and the ability to glide into a target from different angles. Also the satellite positioning system was greatly upgraded to the point that it can strike much smaller targets and it had a data link for dynamic change of waypoints.

    All in all it does still the same job but now it is useable even against an enemy that expects it to come.

    However the price ballooned to the point that it kind of defeats it original core concept of a very cheap long range gliding bomb that can be sent out in large enough numbers to overwhelm AA.
    Now at 200k+ the shaeed is only cost effective against ballistic missile defenses.

    But also it might be they are just ripping off the Russians or that the price is so high because people in the Russian MOD are getting massive kickbacks in order to place order which would have been the case for sure at least before the war.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russia can build lancet but not his?
    it's the same thing but bigger

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does it even matter how expensive they are if they're causing multi-million damage each and Ukraine has to use expensive western AD to counter them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes because they could have 10x more of them coper

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would they need 10x more? Ukraine is relatively small compared to Russia, and Ukrainian military facilities are closer together, so it's still advantageous for Russia to launch Shaheds, no?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would they need 10x more
          to hit something you moron

          Then why are they paying out the ass for Iranian drones

          because they are as moronic as the tripgay and need iran to do their dirty work

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends how much money you have and what target you are hitting.
      At $200k you are paying as much as a Brimstone Missile which can hit moving targets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Spend 6 million to do 2 million in damage

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A ZU-23 from 1960 hard counters a Shahed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Western economy is basically unlimited money. Russia is not.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What was freezing last winter, remind me?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1754901906323808469

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2 tons of gold bullion for 'lawnmower drones' lmao. Iran is fricking Russia deep and hard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Someone in Tehran came up with a slick proposition.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    wow it turns out building an actual robust guidance system and navigation system and reliable warhead makes drones expensive!

    wow

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      any cheap phone can do that moron

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks anon, I’ll take my payment in gold bullion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        RC-135 Rivet Joint

        No they can't lol. Thermal stresses, vibration,shock etc etc plus redundancy.
        Cheap Phones can barely survive a motorcycle ride.

        >tripgay
        >is a moron

        anon with no counter argument wow!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tripgay
          >is a moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, trip gays have always been cancer, almost as bad as the profile image posters, but just almost.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tripgay
      >is a moron

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a cheap drone has all the equipment moronic tripgay

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then why are they paying out the ass for Iranian drones

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >robust guidance system and navigation system and reliable warhead makes drones expensive
      Reliable warheads are easy, making them complex is what screw these things up i.e. Iskander..

      Please specify the difference between guidance and navigation systems.

      >Norks charging golden premium on Russians
      kek

      [...]
      Try using smartphone grade INS and GPS in a Cessna to land precisely moron.

      >Norks charging golden premium on Russians

      If they have the product why not? For instance if as it appears KN-23 is better than Iskander why not make them pay, who else is selling?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but I believe the guidance system takes information from the nav system and does guidance, ie, moves flaps, throttles engines, where the nav system is calculating positions and directions, if needed, to get to the next waypoint, feeding headings and speeds to the guidance system to act on. GPS and INS can tell you where you are and need to go.
        Also curious about an earlier post talking about INS in a phone. I know the phone has inertial sensors, just not sure what the computational component is or does. Phone doesnt need an INS to know someone just picked it up. The sensor can signal the phone. Landing a plane, I would imagine is some app applying its own comp unit to the (probably marginally adequate) inertial info from the sensors and gps units.
        But, idk.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I know the phone has inertial sensors, just not sure what the computational component is or does. Phone doesnt need an INS to know someone just picked it up. The sensor can signal the phone.
          A GNSS/INS SOC will use a combination of positioning signals and its IMU to estimate and report its position. This allows a phone equipped with one to maintain a useful position estimate if positioning signals are lost, disagree or yield garbage until positioning signal usefulness is restored.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *laughs in Gepard*

  16. 2 weeks ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    idiots seething that actually building a reliable stand off attack weapon requires more than a Raspberry Pi and trick fricked Samsung Galaxy.

    Dronegays are a subset of missile spam gays, completely detached from the realities of making high Pk and CEP weaponry. typical.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lets say they are going all out with full range point to point INS and no GNSS updates during the flight.
      You are going to need a ring laser gyroscope and these are not cheap at $30k for 1 as a civilian and likely still $20k bulk as a nation.
      This is the big cost and it should be the bulk of the total cost.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or they just use GNSS/GPS/ect to fix the launch location then use ground stations for in flight corrections. For all we know they could be using civilian broadcast transmitters for triangulation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you need fancy inertial guidance on a subsonic drone when you could can just use the phone camera + a map of the terrain to know where you are

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone who thinks you can replicate all-weather, all-target, very high high pK cruise missile effectiveness with a Rasberry Pi and a cellphone is obviously on crack, but if you already have decent recon satellite coverage, then yeah, you should be able to do it for most civilian targets, depending on the absolute minimum pK criteria, accepable cost:pK relationship for an average target and acceptable met condition limitations.

      Iran isn't Russia, so sneed drones need to use GNSS. Russia has satellites, and so could considerably cut parts complexity by using optical terrain and target matching for guidance. Or at least, it could if all of the decent programmers and computer scientists hadn't left the country over the last 30 years while their education system collapsed.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What does make this document valid and not some fabricated psyop? Its just yet another screencap of pdf posted on the internet, might as well post one that states they are $10,000,000 each

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well the HIMARS seething certainly seems on brand

      https://i.imgur.com/BLNhuIY.png

      Oh yeah guys it's totally fake~
      Don't mind all the promo material demonstrating a long range data uplink with a drone acting as a repeater~

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How about a tacky PAC-2?
        >1.4 mil a pop for the jet shahed
        hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
        Almost the same price as a fricking Tomahawk

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A coyote interceptor only costs 100k

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            APKWS II only costs 20k checkmate

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russians kleptocrats don't like to produce something cheap, you can't steal much from a ~160-200k drone, but with the same drone with some jet engine possibilities are limitless

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It likely is complete bullshit, the fun of the thread it watching people defend the alleged price.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was more right wingers are Russian traitors slide threads when this post came up, flak = over the target.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      coping moron

      https://i.imgur.com/BLNhuIY.png

      Oh yeah guys it's totally fake~
      Don't mind all the promo material demonstrating a long range data uplink with a drone acting as a repeater~

      the drones are autonomous

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > and not some fabricated psyop?
      Why would anybody feel the need to fake something this mundane? The only people who’d think this is fake are vatniks and turdies who don’t want to accept the fact that they can’t building something out of literal garbage for a handful of dollars that they think will make the US, or what ever boogie man they choose, shake in fear. Things cost money. labor costs money. Building effective weapons with skilled labor and advanced parts costs even more money!

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh yeah guys it's totally fake~
    Don't mind all the promo material demonstrating a long range data uplink with a drone acting as a repeater~

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't we figure this out indirectly when they gave a bunch of Su-35S for them?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russia is paying iran in gold
    and anons in other thread were asking what the frick ukrainian special forces are doing in sudan

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Between Iran and North Korea how much gold have they spent so far?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess that Putin has secretly been a libertarian all along? He's bringing Russia back to the gold standard.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    btw i never understood this talk about cost effectiveness of shooting down shaheds with muh expensive missiles. i mean who cares how much shahed costs if it could cause millions in losses if this shit manages to hit anything important. not mentioning cases where these shits were straight up slamming commiblocks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i never understood this talk about cost effectiveness of shooting down shaheds with muh expensive missiles
      because if shaheds are cheap they can send more drones than you have air defense, what is there not to understand?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are not factoeing effectiveness, you could say tennis balls are so cheap you can just bury an abrams on them, but in practice the entire cost of the operation becomes so labor intensive and prone to failure is not worth it, similarly drones can be dirt cheap but if even swarms of them are incapable to do the job then it's not worth it, ask the chinese and why SK still exist and they lost NK territory and still havent retaken Taiwan, no matter how cheap a chinese farmer boy with a rifle can be or how many you send in if in the end they all get killed and you have nothing to show for. You just lost time and resources

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s vatnik cope that Ukraine will run out of money for ammo before Russia does

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if Russia transports gold in IL-76s.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you will never shoot down a Russian transport loaded with gold and live the rest of your life as kings with your insurgent buddies
      I would gold plate my Stinger, just to show everyone where I came from

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/29y9v8x.png

      [...]

      i cant see through the snot and tears and piss right now to see ur .pngs

      im so heckin mad
      >PUTLER LIED TO ME
      those shaheds cost *WAY* more than he told me!

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one thing that isn't being factored into the unit cost of the drones are launching platforms and control stations.
    They are obviously far more expensive than originally claimed, but it's impossible to get the true number

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm still curious about the carbon fibre black Shaheds that have been seen

      there are many shahed versions out there
      a "jet" version too I believe, that might have got *ACKed on the ship

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The jet version is covered in the leaked documents

        https://i.imgur.com/eSWbMDA.jpg

        How about a tacky PAC-2?
        >1.4 mil a pop for the jet shahed
        hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
        Almost the same price as a fricking Tomahawk

        No prop and intake

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Iranian side announced a starting price of 23 million rubles per piece (375 thousand dollars per piece).
    During the negotiations, an agreement was reached at the level of 12 million rubles per 6000 pieces (193 thousand dollars per piece) (either 18 million rubles or 290 thousand dollars for 2000PC).
    Total contract price (technology, equipment, 6000 sets, initial code) is 108.5 billion rubles (1 billion 750 million dollars).
    The cost of 6000 products is 72 billion rubles, 50% advance is 36 billion rubles.
    Investments of JSC Alabuga amount to 48 billion rubles (36 billion rubles + 12 billion rubles complex of buildings and structures).
    To accommodate production, 160,000 sq. m of ready-made facilities are required production areas. After technology transfer it is planned scaling production to 10,000 boats per year.

    So it really is 200k per drone. Fricking Russians got SCALPED on that deal

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its drone parts and tech transfer to Alabuga plant in Russia. not a final product

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Iranian side announced a starting price of 23 million rubles per piece (375 thousand dollars per piece).
        During the negotiations, an agreement was reached at the level of 12 million rubles per 6000 pieces (193 thousand dollars per piece) (either 18 million rubles or 290 thousand dollars for 2000PC).
        Total contract price (technology, equipment, 6000 sets, initial code) is 108.5 billion rubles (1 billion 750 million dollars).
        The cost of 6000 products is 72 billion rubles, 50% advance is 36 billion rubles.
        Investments of JSC Alabuga amount to 48 billion rubles (36 billion rubles + 12 billion rubles complex of buildings and structures).
        To accommodate production, 160,000 sq. m of ready-made facilities are required production areas. After technology transfer it is planned scaling production to 10,000 boats per year.

        So it really is 200k per drone. Fricking Russians got SCALPED on that deal

        Wait, they are fricking knock down kits?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Basically.
          It seems the body is being built domestically, probably the warheads too. But the electronics and motors are still all being sourced from Iran, and China.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Wait, they are fricking knock down kits?

            The Iranian side announced a starting price of 23 million rubles per piece (375 thousand dollars per piece).
            During the negotiations, an agreement was reached at the level of 12 million rubles per 6000 pieces (193 thousand dollars per piece) (either 18 million rubles or 290 thousand dollars for 2000PC).
            Total contract price (technology, equipment, 6000 sets, initial code) is 108.5 billion rubles (1 billion 750 million dollars).
            The cost of 6000 products is 72 billion rubles, 50% advance is 36 billion rubles.
            Investments of JSC Alabuga amount to 48 billion rubles (36 billion rubles + 12 billion rubles complex of buildings and structures).
            To accommodate production, 160,000 sq. m of ready-made facilities are required production areas. After technology transfer it is planned scaling production to 10,000 boats per year.

            So it really is 200k per drone. Fricking Russians got SCALPED on that deal

            Almost a year ago i read a leak that they were paying Iran $1000 a round for 122mm, over $50k for new D-30 barrels and $85k for 125mm for 125mm barrels. So the Norks must be close to $10 billion by now right?

            >GDP 2019 estimate $16 billion

            Kim Jung Un's on the spot field guidance in the practical application of Juche is about to achieve the greatest economic feat in human history, a major industrialized nation is on track to triple it's GDP in a single year.

            By robbing Russia blind.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >a major industrialized nation is on track to triple it's GDP in a single year.
              All all the things I expected to see from clownworld this year, Juche decisively proving itself to be the most powerful economic system in history was probably the thing I expected the least
              Bravo dear leader, I fricking kneel

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/sxyNGXZ.jpg

                M-my knees...Kim-sama...my knees a-are moving on their own. No, this can't be,
                AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE KIM-SAMA I KNEEL

                Iran and the DPRK will soon be Russia's bank, they are coming close to having more gold than Russia.

                NTA, but I believe the guidance system takes information from the nav system and does guidance, ie, moves flaps, throttles engines, where the nav system is calculating positions and directions, if needed, to get to the next waypoint, feeding headings and speeds to the guidance system to act on. GPS and INS can tell you where you are and need to go.
                Also curious about an earlier post talking about INS in a phone. I know the phone has inertial sensors, just not sure what the computational component is or does. Phone doesnt need an INS to know someone just picked it up. The sensor can signal the phone. Landing a plane, I would imagine is some app applying its own comp unit to the (probably marginally adequate) inertial info from the sensors and gps units.
                But, idk.

                Russia bought 50+ KN-23s, its pathetic.

                What is it about these drones that triggers westerners so much? If they're effective, why the reddit type ridicule? If they're useless, why bother talking about them?

                It triggers people because Russia thinks it is a super power while in reality it is a Iranian/Nork client state.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In Putin's Russia, North Korea uses you as proxy for warfare with HATO!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              M-my knees...Kim-sama...my knees a-are moving on their own. No, this can't be,
              AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE KIM-SAMA I KNEEL

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    apparently they are producing since autumn 2023

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't the Russians use sneed drones on the frontline? Couldn't they just plug in some GPS coordinates of a trench and have it fly there?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because frontline is where most AA and EW is concentrated, while sneedheads are slow flying drones

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They did. At first, they used shaheds on frontlines, they destroyed a lot of tanks in first weeks of use by sheer surprise factor. But the problem is, you always adapt to a new weapon in a month, lowering its usefulness to some capacity. In shaheds case it became utterly useless.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >At first, they used shaheds on frontlines, they destroyed a lot of tanks in first weeks of use by sheer surprise factor
        lmfao, ha yah, they used a GPS guided drone to take out tanks on the move, totally

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tanks on the move
          how do you know they were moving and not in static firing positions?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Static firing positions kept for long enough allow for russian horrendous communications and nonexistent killchain to score a hit
            yeah

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              tanks aren't on the move 24/7

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because frontline is where most AA and EW is concentrated, while sneedheads are slow flying drones

        Why can't the Russians use sneed drones on the frontline? Couldn't they just plug in some GPS coordinates of a trench and have it fly there?

        They should focus them on targets that aren't immediately important but still of value in the long run. Grain silos and tractor garages in non combat areas, fire departments away from the front in small towns, car dealships, rural gas stations ect. That way they might get through while degrading infrastructure on a nation wide meta level.

        Like some sort of 'deep battle doctrine ' assuming Russian minds can understand such a concept.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do we have statistics for this? Genuinely interested

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They did. At first, they used shaheds on frontlines, they destroyed a lot of tanks in first weeks
        >GPS guided
        >CEP of 10+ meters on stationary targets
        >destroyed tanks

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >burned in destroyed hangars and buried in destroyed underground parking lots

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            shahasneeds warhead is too small to cause much damage. especially to an underground parking lot. you would use an Iskander or other cruise missile.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anon they use lanshits for that.
        There has never been a sneed drone used on tactical targets at or near the line of contact. Ever.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be the world's most expensive mortar round

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cost of sneedhed: $200k
    lmfao, and guess what happens
    >Patriot has intercepted 14/16 shaheds (2 crashed into ground on their own)

    Cost of a patriot missile?
    >$3million

    AHHAAH
    AHAHHAHAHAH
    aHHAAHHHAHAHAH

    its costs what like $50 million to down a shahed barrage, which ukraine proudly boasts during each attack
    >pic related

    what is 28x$3million?
    im a thirdie, so im bad at math,
    ill let an airmen rhodes scholar calculate it out for me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Patriot has intercepted 14/16 shaheds
      Patriots are usually intercepting Il-76s these days, shaheds are shot down by manpads and Sparrows rigged to Buks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure they use Patriot PAC-2s on some shasneeds but it's mainly HMGs, AAA and small MANPADS type systems that are intercepting them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Patriot has intercepted
      you are a moron

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, sweaty Ukraine only uses $90 million GBI missiles against shaheds.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >5.45x39?
    >That would be 20$ per bullet, 15$ if you buying 10million or more at once
    >its nice having buisness with you, globalsoth comrade

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all intercepts are by Patriots
    why are browns like this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      their life is nothing,they serve zero purpose.turdies should kill themself now

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do the potato chips do? EFPs?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    $20 chinese drones already use optical flow like an optical mouse does. Its not much of a leap to do DSMAC

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    200k per unit would not make it a bad investment. One of the main reasons for buying Nork equipment despite lower quality was inability to scale up domestic shell production fast enough, and it's the same with iranian drones.
    Especially in the capacity of distracting ukrainian AA resources towards big cities and away from planes launching glide bombs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > distracting ukrainian AA resources towards big cities and away from planes launching glide bombs.
      Ukraine isn't using the same AAs to destroy shaheds (slow and low altitude) and Sukhois. The Kalibrs/X-55-101 are by far the most dangerous russian PGM

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      4 billion dollars in gold bars

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So…6000 units from this order alone? Not counting the ones being manufactured in China?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-has-fired-7400-missiles-3700-shahed-drones-war-so-far-kyiv-says-2023-12-21/

      rooooooooooooooooters says they used 3700 shaheds as it stands

      lmfao, so if 6000 shahed units are in this order
      >*gulp*
      that doesnt sound good

      ......whats air defense doing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >......whats air defense doing?

        >all intercepts are by Patriots
        why are browns like this

        >*gulp*
        my peanus weenus of course 🙂

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly if you lied and said they used 600 total I'd believe you.
        >3700 shaheds
        >zero impact on the battlefield
        >minimal impact on infrastructure
        >only got the west to donate more old AA defenses which led to hypersonics being debooooonked
        Nearly a billion blown on this shit and it did exactly fricking nothing of note beyond killing some civilians occasionally. What does that cost break down per rando civvie killed over their usage in the SPO, multiple millions? An Yvan in Ukraine is worth like a hundred Ivans in Russia per Moscow's budgeting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They sent many for every electric station. They also probably send a ton of them every time they want to hit something with a bigger, better bomb.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >payment is made in gold
    I'm putting together a team.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how great it’d feel to steal a billion in ziggerrands

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2 tons of gold is 175 million, not 1.75 billion. Its more like 20 grand per drone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is it about these drones that triggers westerners so much? If they're effective, why the reddit type ridicule? If they're useless, why bother talking about them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why are people talking about weapons on /k/?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Leaked Iranian emails reveal they cost 200K to 300K a piece.
    [expresses doubt]
    I was surpised at how fricking huge they are, but the only expensive part is the engine, and that's only around $10K or $20K depending on the model. FFS AliExpress was selling them; the Iranians just bought one and copied it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're confusing different models of sneed drone. The full costings for the current model by component have been posted in this thread, and the minimum cost is $150k.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are like 50k on aliexpress

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Should have buy chinese then

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