>multi-ethnic
more like multicultural
one implies one culture that everyone get assimilated into and the Russian Empire has always been multicultural unlike the German Empire or the French republics.
Okay, how would you do it? >special forces teams
Unlikely to work against dozens of very well-armed terrorists who have rigged bombs throughout the building and likely have military experience. >gas
The chechens learned from last time and broke the windows in advance. They weren’t falling for that one again.
Russians were pretty fed up with compromises, especially after the disgrace of 1990s hostage taking, new successful operations and military victory against Ichkeria. Sudden following would bring up lots of questions .
What were the demands anyway? Probably not money or amnesty
It weren't Russians, it was only Putin who decided to play a strongman willing to sacrifice his own people for not bowing down to the terrorists even one bit.
They demanded that Russia stops performing indiscriminate shellings of civilian areas in Chechnia.
Russia responded by indiscriminately shelling a civilian area in Russia.
>Entrenched MG nest in separate building blocking any approach to delicate terrorist situation >Use tanks and thermobarics to remove MG nest, then proceed using conventional hostage rescue tactics >Disingenuous redditors b***h about it for decades
With the laundry list of real reasons to shit on Russia, it always seemed like bugman shit to me that their handling of beslan is the thing nerds always fixate on
>Use tanks and thermobarics to remove MG nest, then proceed using conventional hostage rescue tactics
Couple points.
1- If they only used those on a separate building. How the frick did they manage to burn down the school, kill 334 and injure 783 of the less than 1200 hostages?! Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a 93% injury rate?!
2-The use of thermobaric weapons against areas with civilians is banned by the CCW. Meaning as of the Protocol of Incendiary Weapons, had Russia performed this "conventional hostage rescue tactic" against anyone but themselves, they'd be considered war criminals.
And you wanna know why the UN bans thermobarics on civilian infrastructure? This fricking siege is why you bloody imbecile!
No. Shooting a Schnell at a room full of kids is not an appropiate tactic you lunatic. Not even if there's an mg nest. That's what snipers are for! They had 3 days of prep time for gods sake give a western sniper 3 days for prepping on a stationary target he'll finish the job by midday and spend the other 2 days wanking in his hole!
>What were the demands anyway? Probably not money or amnesty
They did not send out a formal list of demands. Probably didn't even prepare it. That was one of the factors which forced the assault, its been more than two days, hostages are starting to die out of dehydration because the terrorists are explicitly preventing them from drinking, and the negotiations did not even start yet.
Best the negotiators could get were insane demands like formal recognition of Chechen independence, full withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya, Putin resigning and so on. It's likely that the terrorists didn't actually plan to have any of their demands fulfilled, the goal was simply to terrorize the population and undermine the government. They didn't just massacre hostages on the spot because they wanted the government to try and fail at resolving the crisis.
Correct. No white man would defend the utter moronation that is china
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
Chinese SWAT unironically do some high-speed shit from time to time.
Not generally organised terrorist groups doing shit but lone-actors going postal and taking hostages happens quite a lot, China is kind of a high stress society these days, not a lot of welfare, lots of people in danger of losing their homes if they lose their jobs, investments disappeared from mismanagement or fraud, lots of ways to be financially wiped-out and left with nothing and no prospects. Their cities are all huge (10mil+), they have a lot of such cities and people in financial and legal crises and going postal happens from time to time.
Most SWAT guys stand around outside train stations, malls and city squares but now and then they do stuff like . I've seen countless clips on news in China that had stuff like that. Generally, a negotiator keeps them occupied until they tire and let their guard down and then they get sniped at short range or some plain clothes person who's infiltrated close with like a pizza or water bottle whips out a pistol and pops them in the head at point blank.
They don't every really try and take them alive once there are hostages.
picrel is a pretty common site at large intersections, transport hubs and malls. Not that stun baton/sword exactly but I've seen plenty of SWAT dudes with regular stun battons and firearms standing guard in high-traffic areas.
That was a female cop dressed as a nurse, she got close then popped him and he collapsed backwards through a doorway and she followed up and took another two more shots to make sure.
Hostage was unhurt I believe.
Happens all the time in China, especially nutters going after children with knives for some reason.
Xinjiang was a super dangerous shithole filled with mafia and islamist nutters before the Chinese eliminated them all. I know SerpentZA now is like "CHINA BAD" but even he once told a story about being in Xinjiang and hearing in the hotel room next door an assassination being ordered and then having to escape out the window when they realised Serpentza and Laowhy were in the next room, also being chased by terrorists off road trying to steal their motorbikes.
The fact Xinjiang is now one of the safest regions in China says something.
I'm pretty sure that story is either complete bullshit or grossly exaggerated. Aside from anything else, Chinese hotels aren't that bad with paper-thin walls. I've heard women loudly cumming in the next room a few times but could never make out phone calls or conversation, even when there's obviously a majong game going.
Xinjiang has been cracked down on, they're basically cycling the entire population through indoctrination camps and torturing, raping and sometimes killing a whole bunch of them so they know what happens if they go back, as part of a process of turning them all into slave labour and transferring all their land and businesses to Han ownership so that they never have the resources or will to stand up to Beijing again.
But yeah, school stabbing attacks are surprisingly common, there's at least one every month or two. Every school in the country has security guards at the gates and parents aren't generally allowed in except to visit teachers and stuff.
>The fact Xinjiang is now one of the safest regions in China says something
Yeah it says China is deeply sensitive about how it looks to the West. Don’t really care about either side but I’m glad there are competent cops in China
>Entrenched MG nest in separate building blocking any approach to delicate terrorist situation >Use tanks and thermobarics to remove MG nest, then proceed using conventional hostage rescue tactics >Disingenuous redditors b***h about it for decades
With the laundry list of real reasons to shit on Russia, it always seemed like bugman shit to me that their handling of beslan is the thing nerds always fixate on
Sure, if you ignore the awful disaster response (so many died because they hadn't prepared medical staff and equipment despite having three fricking days to do so) and Putin all but sticking his fingers in his ears and going "Lalalala I haven't heard anything."
I remember feeling genuinely sorry for those kids and their parents back in 2004.
Looking back, they would have been in their 20s now and no small portion of them would be conscripted and participating in Putin's revanchist rampage, so good fricking riddance. When you're dealing with a society this hell-bent on being a menace upon the world, the issue of its physical elimination falls outside of the moral debate and becomes an ugly necessity.
Seems like the Chechens knew what's up before it was cool.
You nasty butthole, chechens *are* Russians. You can always spot a shitlib because they've got an ethnic grudge against the Rus and not against their bolshevik history.
No, we're not, frick off. We fought three wars and countless insurgencies to get rid of vatniks. Calling us Russian is like calling a jail prisoner a cop.
Jokes aside, I remember reading the Wikipedia article for this about six months ago and it legitimately made me feel physically ill. The shit that went down over those few days and how the Russian government handled it was just fricking inhuman. I know I sound like a pussy but no human being should ever go through what those kids and teachers went through. I remember when I finished reading it I took a deep breath and went for a quick walk to calm myself down
>and how the Russian government handled
Sadly they made big mistakes but when you see something like a hostage taking of that scale, from people that insane, you can only expect that those kids were already dead. Like a lion fighting a bear for its prey. Yeah I said it!
>and how the Russian government handled
Sadly they made big mistakes but when you see something like a hostage taking of that scale, from people that insane, you can only expect that those kids were already dead. Like a lion fighting a bear for its prey. Yeah I said it!
Anon, Russian government organized it. When you view it from the prism of "they wanted as many deaths as possible to justify tighter regulations" you see why they did what they did. It's not incompetence, it's malice.
The Wikipedia article does not do the events justice. You can consider it a sanitized, moderately whitewashed retelling of events that is not harsh enough on Putin.
How young are you people? There was like 24/7 coverage of it at the time. Along with the Theater siege. They were massive stories, we even watched it in school.
>FSB releases jihadi leaders >drives them past oblast border checkpoints >when the even happens FSB take over from local police and threaten to kill the oblast's governor if he makes any noise >use the most destructive weaponry available, cause hundreds of children's deaths >some jihadists, including a "white female sharpshooter" escape and are never heard from again >Russians respond not with hanging every FSB spook of the nearest tree, but by heavily investing into a scam artists's cult where he promises to resurrect the dead kids
Russians are not human
>Moscow theater hostage crisis >All 40 of the insurgents were shot dead when unconscious, and up to 130 hostages died during the siege, including 9 foreigners, due to the toxic substance pumped into the theater. The identity of the gas was not disclosed at the time, although it was believed by some to have been a fentanyl derivative, such as carfentanil.
as a pharmacist, this is still so frickin insane. Carfentanil is used to tranquilize elephants and rhinos and is about 10 000 times stronger than morphine, how the frick do you expect to swoop in and narcan those hostages back to life
>you must only use approved competition automatic weapons in the hands of amateur contestants or it's not a real school shooting!
Frick you and frick the homosexual sports variant, school shootings are miles better with tanks and incendiary rockets.
The frick was Richard Gere doing in Russia? Was it a school for gerbils?
He knows he's getting some pussy tonight
You smack them around, take thier shoes and wear Adidas and you'll get laid, too.
Dr Pavel
based Richard Gere
Just some boob grab practice.
Now that the dust has settled, who won?
chaos
Oh damn, if only they weren't a multiethnic autocracy. AmIright Globohomosexual gays?
>multi-ethnic
more like multicultural
one implies one culture that everyone get assimilated into and the Russian Empire has always been multicultural unlike the German Empire or the French republics.
All of those states were defacto multi-lingual, just not de jure.
>delicate terrorist situation involving hundreds of children
>best idea is to use tanks and thermobaric rockets to kill everyone
bravo russia
>dagestanis
>worthy of being treated like humans
lol??
>hostages were mostly ethnic russians
>specifically picked by islamists because they weren't muslim
>putin goes monke mode anyway
Okay, how would you do it?
>special forces teams
Unlikely to work against dozens of very well-armed terrorists who have rigged bombs throughout the building and likely have military experience.
>gas
The chechens learned from last time and broke the windows in advance. They weren’t falling for that one again.
Just accept their demands, get the hostages, then renege on those promises at a later time. It's honorless, but so is taking civilians hostage.
Russians were pretty fed up with compromises, especially after the disgrace of 1990s hostage taking, new successful operations and military victory against Ichkeria. Sudden following would bring up lots of questions .
What were the demands anyway? Probably not money or amnesty
It weren't Russians, it was only Putin who decided to play a strongman willing to sacrifice his own people for not bowing down to the terrorists even one bit.
They demanded that Russia stops performing indiscriminate shellings of civilian areas in Chechnia.
Russia responded by indiscriminately shelling a civilian area in Russia.
>Use tanks and thermobarics to remove MG nest, then proceed using conventional hostage rescue tactics
Couple points.
1- If they only used those on a separate building. How the frick did they manage to burn down the school, kill 334 and injure 783 of the less than 1200 hostages?! Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a 93% injury rate?!
2-The use of thermobaric weapons against areas with civilians is banned by the CCW. Meaning as of the Protocol of Incendiary Weapons, had Russia performed this "conventional hostage rescue tactic" against anyone but themselves, they'd be considered war criminals.
And you wanna know why the UN bans thermobarics on civilian infrastructure? This fricking siege is why you bloody imbecile!
No. Shooting a Schnell at a room full of kids is not an appropiate tactic you lunatic. Not even if there's an mg nest. That's what snipers are for! They had 3 days of prep time for gods sake give a western sniper 3 days for prepping on a stationary target he'll finish the job by midday and spend the other 2 days wanking in his hole!
>bloody imbecile!
>2 days wanking
Post guns you histrionic chechen loving brit
>What were the demands anyway? Probably not money or amnesty
They did not send out a formal list of demands. Probably didn't even prepare it. That was one of the factors which forced the assault, its been more than two days, hostages are starting to die out of dehydration because the terrorists are explicitly preventing them from drinking, and the negotiations did not even start yet.
Best the negotiators could get were insane demands like formal recognition of Chechen independence, full withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya, Putin resigning and so on. It's likely that the terrorists didn't actually plan to have any of their demands fulfilled, the goal was simply to terrorize the population and undermine the government. They didn't just massacre hostages on the spot because they wanted the government to try and fail at resolving the crisis.
BASED
seems like ruskies just want to kill their enemies, they forgot about kids
>VDV
life imitates memes
it's funny, this meme is like more than 8 years old now.
>chinese sof kills hostage
Reddit is not a source for information
>devgru
redwings
>Delta
a sandstorm
found the bugman
>everyone that insults me is not white like me
Correct. No white man would defend the utter moronation that is china
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
pretty much, you wumao scumbags are easy to spot.
Chinese SWAT unironically do some high-speed shit from time to time.
Not generally organised terrorist groups doing shit but lone-actors going postal and taking hostages happens quite a lot, China is kind of a high stress society these days, not a lot of welfare, lots of people in danger of losing their homes if they lose their jobs, investments disappeared from mismanagement or fraud, lots of ways to be financially wiped-out and left with nothing and no prospects. Their cities are all huge (10mil+), they have a lot of such cities and people in financial and legal crises and going postal happens from time to time.
Most SWAT guys stand around outside train stations, malls and city squares but now and then they do stuff like . I've seen countless clips on news in China that had stuff like that. Generally, a negotiator keeps them occupied until they tire and let their guard down and then they get sniped at short range or some plain clothes person who's infiltrated close with like a pizza or water bottle whips out a pistol and pops them in the head at point blank.
They don't every really try and take them alive once there are hostages.
picrel is a pretty common site at large intersections, transport hubs and malls. Not that stun baton/sword exactly but I've seen plenty of SWAT dudes with regular stun battons and firearms standing guard in high-traffic areas.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xssk3b
That was a female cop dressed as a nurse, she got close then popped him and he collapsed backwards through a doorway and she followed up and took another two more shots to make sure.
Hostage was unhurt I believe.
Happens all the time in China, especially nutters going after children with knives for some reason.
Xinjiang was a super dangerous shithole filled with mafia and islamist nutters before the Chinese eliminated them all. I know SerpentZA now is like "CHINA BAD" but even he once told a story about being in Xinjiang and hearing in the hotel room next door an assassination being ordered and then having to escape out the window when they realised Serpentza and Laowhy were in the next room, also being chased by terrorists off road trying to steal their motorbikes.
The fact Xinjiang is now one of the safest regions in China says something.
I'm pretty sure that story is either complete bullshit or grossly exaggerated. Aside from anything else, Chinese hotels aren't that bad with paper-thin walls. I've heard women loudly cumming in the next room a few times but could never make out phone calls or conversation, even when there's obviously a majong game going.
Xinjiang has been cracked down on, they're basically cycling the entire population through indoctrination camps and torturing, raping and sometimes killing a whole bunch of them so they know what happens if they go back, as part of a process of turning them all into slave labour and transferring all their land and businesses to Han ownership so that they never have the resources or will to stand up to Beijing again.
But yeah, school stabbing attacks are surprisingly common, there's at least one every month or two. Every school in the country has security guards at the gates and parents aren't generally allowed in except to visit teachers and stuff.
>The fact Xinjiang is now one of the safest regions in China says something
Yeah it says China is deeply sensitive about how it looks to the West. Don’t really care about either side but I’m glad there are competent cops in China
Implessive.
>redwings
Redwings was tier two seals .
None of your examples were hostage rescue missions moron
I've missed this one, it even still has sweden as >SWEDEN YES
you will be glad to hear the people of Sweden are thoroughly disillusioned
YES
bump
I don't understand the MARSOC and GROM one
After watching countless bope uploaded videos on youtube. They've stolen my heart
>Entrenched MG nest in separate building blocking any approach to delicate terrorist situation
>Use tanks and thermobarics to remove MG nest, then proceed using conventional hostage rescue tactics
>Disingenuous redditors b***h about it for decades
With the laundry list of real reasons to shit on Russia, it always seemed like bugman shit to me that their handling of beslan is the thing nerds always fixate on
Sure, if you ignore the awful disaster response (so many died because they hadn't prepared medical staff and equipment despite having three fricking days to do so) and Putin all but sticking his fingers in his ears and going "Lalalala I haven't heard anything."
killing the hostages should always be valid option
Not soviet Russia
I remember feeling genuinely sorry for those kids and their parents back in 2004.
Looking back, they would have been in their 20s now and no small portion of them would be conscripted and participating in Putin's revanchist rampage, so good fricking riddance. When you're dealing with a society this hell-bent on being a menace upon the world, the issue of its physical elimination falls outside of the moral debate and becomes an ugly necessity.
Seems like the Chechens knew what's up before it was cool.
>In breaking news, nits grow up to be lice.
Putin's revanchist rampage. Sounds like a good name for a band.
You nasty butthole, chechens *are* Russians. You can always spot a shitlib because they've got an ethnic grudge against the Rus and not against their bolshevik history.
No, we're not, frick off. We fought three wars and countless insurgencies to get rid of vatniks. Calling us Russian is like calling a jail prisoner a cop.
are those dan smiths?
adidas (Chinese)
>burning kids alive with flamethrowers
Just your average Russian response
lmao so did Russia use a TOS-1 on a grade school?
Shmel portable termobaric launchers.
Not quite, but close.
bump
>Aftermath
>In his televised speech, Putin said: "We showed ourselves to be weak. And the weak get beaten."
I will post it again.
Jokes aside, I remember reading the Wikipedia article for this about six months ago and it legitimately made me feel physically ill. The shit that went down over those few days and how the Russian government handled it was just fricking inhuman. I know I sound like a pussy but no human being should ever go through what those kids and teachers went through. I remember when I finished reading it I took a deep breath and went for a quick walk to calm myself down
t. pussy
Well, you are what you eat, so they say
Yeah that's a pussy reaction. The correct reaction is to roll your eyes, mutter "subhumans all around", then go about your day.
edgy
>and how the Russian government handled
Sadly they made big mistakes but when you see something like a hostage taking of that scale, from people that insane, you can only expect that those kids were already dead. Like a lion fighting a bear for its prey. Yeah I said it!
>when you see someone in trouble, you must immediately assume they are already dead, and then kill them to save them
It is of rossiya way.
> t. Ukraine
Anon, Russian government organized it. When you view it from the prism of "they wanted as many deaths as possible to justify tighter regulations" you see why they did what they did. It's not incompetence, it's malice.
The Wikipedia article does not do the events justice. You can consider it a sanitized, moderately whitewashed retelling of events that is not harsh enough on Putin.
How young are you people? There was like 24/7 coverage of it at the time. Along with the Theater siege. They were massive stories, we even watched it in school.
New /k/ straight outta reddit
i am not old enough to remember it and i am 27, you are just old
this why (You) will not survive
what?
I'm 29. So in 2004 I was in 4th grade. It sounds familiar to me, but childhood memories tend to be a blurry mess.
WRONG.
All russians deserve worse. And they are about to getting it for the next 10 to 20 years.
>2004
>Soviet
Why do so many famous people live double lives?
I have no idea who this is supposed to be
>cant into filenames
gb2r
Skyrim is a video game, does he look similar to the main character or something?
It is a reference to Todd Howard, one of the developers of skyrim.
That's LEAD Developer and Game Director Todd Howard you filthy casual. Now kneel before your god.
>FSB releases jihadi leaders
>drives them past oblast border checkpoints
>when the even happens FSB take over from local police and threaten to kill the oblast's governor if he makes any noise
>use the most destructive weaponry available, cause hundreds of children's deaths
>some jihadists, including a "white female sharpshooter" escape and are never heard from again
>Russians respond not with hanging every FSB spook of the nearest tree, but by heavily investing into a scam artists's cult where he promises to resurrect the dead kids
Russians are not human
Apartment bombings too. They basically were caught red handed but ultimately nothing came of it.
A classic in counter terrorism. They show footage in all the classes
>on orders from the FSB.
yeah that checks out
>Moscow theater hostage crisis
>All 40 of the insurgents were shot dead when unconscious, and up to 130 hostages died during the siege, including 9 foreigners, due to the toxic substance pumped into the theater. The identity of the gas was not disclosed at the time, although it was believed by some to have been a fentanyl derivative, such as carfentanil.
as a pharmacist, this is still so frickin insane. Carfentanil is used to tranquilize elephants and rhinos and is about 10 000 times stronger than morphine, how the frick do you expect to swoop in and narcan those hostages back to life
Spetsnaz, and their commanders, aren't exactly known for being especially worried about the loss of human life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
>beslan
>2004
>soviet
>" school shooting "
American education
bump
I mean it's a school and kids got shot, what more do you need?
>you must only use approved competition automatic weapons in the hands of amateur contestants or it's not a real school shooting!
Frick you and frick the homosexual sports variant, school shootings are miles better with tanks and incendiary rockets.
zoomers extremely overestimate their own value
You’re not any more relevant than they are
Everyone does. Yet we are all just dust in the wind. Everything is dust in the wind.
>dust
>wind
>dude
>NOOOOOO, LET YOURSELF BE MURDERED FOR NO REASON!!! I MUST MAINTAIN POWER OVER MUZZIES IN THE SOUTH
Zoomers being a rather young and small demographic group are actually quite an important group of people
any good books on beslan?
man I wish I'd been here for the live threads. was a year too early for me.
>russia, the most depressing shithole on earth, just now caught up to the US with existential Despair that makes people go postal
You got it ass backwards, thirdie
In soviet Russia, government shells your school.