Honestly, it's all the same thing to me. It's like if I saw Greek letters and said "oh okay that's in Greek" and someone corrected me with >actually it's Cypriot
There is a difference in that Ukrainian and russian are not dialects of each other. Russians cannot understand Ukrainian, nor pronounce many of the words
I don't believe that for a second, given that the most prominent examples right now are "Kiev? No it's pronounced Kyiv" and "Belgorod? No it's pronounced Bilhorod"
As a "neutral" bulgarian party who doesn't speak a lick of both languages, ukranian sounds much more closer to polish. With russian i can get the meaning of what someone is saying by recognizind certain words in a sentence, but with ukranian is very hit or miss. In any case grammatical cases are for gays. #definiteArticleMasterRace!!1!1!
Proper nouns aren't the best examples. Consider that Spanish or French uses the same alphabet as English yet are completely different (outside of the loan words we stole).
As a "neutral" bulgarian party who doesn't speak a lick of both languages, ukranian sounds much more closer to polish. With russian i can get the meaning of what someone is saying by recognizind certain words in a sentence, but with ukranian is very hit or miss. In any case grammatical cases are for gays. #definiteArticleMasterRace!!1!1!
Isn't it more of a language continuum thing? Someone said that Ukrainian as spoken near Poland is pretty incomprehensible to Russians, while Ukrainian spoken in the east is like 50% Russian and is fairly intelligible to Russian speakers.
Not sure how the official written language is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
All you need to remember whenever language differences come up is this >A language is a dialect with an army and navy
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dialects are a thing, sure, but it's not Ukrainian dialect that is intelligible, but surzhyk, which is a mix of two languages.
Kyiv is still wrong, as in there is no way to spell it using english nor russian alphabet to get the right pronunciation.
More importantly berlin is spelled the same way in english and german doesnt mean that the languages arent different…
11 months ago
Anonymous
Germany isn't right next to England, with the cultures having intermingled for literally thousands of years
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, see
https://i.imgur.com/yhYDenI.jpg
>I don't believe that for a second
It's true - to a degree.
Russians will have trouble understanding Ukrainian, and it will be nearly impossible to try and speak it properly. Many Ukrainian words are nearly unpronounceable for the average Russian - they literally do not have the letter "h" for example.
Ukrainians are mostly bilingual and do not have this issue. They grew up surrounded by both languages. Some of the western ones might not be able to switch to speaking fluent Russian at will, or at least not very well, but they DO understand it.
It's a similar situation as the Slovak and Czech language. To an outside observer the languages are basically the same, and they shared a country for the better part of a century, yet many younger Czechs find it impossible to understand casually spoken Slovak and find it hard to even read the language, meanwhile Slovaks understand Czech perfectly due to the majority of them growing up on Czech-dubbed movies, shows, songs etc.
for the example of Czechia and Slovakia.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Neither is "wrong". But importantly one of them makes the chug poltroons seethe and scream "reddit", which, you know, is funny
>I don't believe that for a second
It's true - to a degree.
Russians will have trouble understanding Ukrainian, and it will be nearly impossible to try and speak it properly. Many Ukrainian words are nearly unpronounceable for the average Russian - they literally do not have the letter "h" for example.
Ukrainians are mostly bilingual and do not have this issue. They grew up surrounded by both languages. Some of the western ones might not be able to switch to speaking fluent Russian at will, or at least not very well, but they DO understand it.
It's a similar situation as the Slovak and Czech language. To an outside observer the languages are basically the same, and they shared a country for the better part of a century, yet many younger Czechs find it impossible to understand casually spoken Slovak and find it hard to even read the language, meanwhile Slovaks understand Czech perfectly due to the majority of them growing up on Czech-dubbed movies, shows, songs etc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Many Ukrainian words are nearly unpronounceable for the average Russian - they literally do not have the letter "h" for example.
You can easily pull a "perejil"-style shibboleth on somebody by asking them to pronounce the letter 'г'.
11 months ago
Anonymous
A what style what?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shibboleth is a word/phrase difficult to pronounce by foreigners, used to determine someone's ethnic background in an area where it's common for people to be multilingual. >In October 1937, the Spanish word for parsley, perejil, was used as a shibboleth to identify Haitian immigrants living along the border in the Dominican Republic. Dominican dictator, Rafael Trujillo, ordered the execution of these people. It is alleged that between 20,000 and 30,000 individuals were murdered within a few days in the Parsley Massacre
11 months ago
Anonymous
Another example was the US Army using the word "lollapalooza" as a password for sentries. The Japs were constantly trying to sneak up to US lines to launch more effective Banzai charges, so when sentries heard noise, they "challenged" the noise for the password Even if the Japanese tortured the password out of a captured GI, a sentry would hear "roh-roh-pa-ruz-yah"
Ukraine is apparently using words like "palianytsia" which apparently Russians can't fricking say. It isn't perfect but it can be helpful
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's funny that even after being taught English at school for 80 years, 99% of them still couldn't pronounce it for shit today.
11 months ago
Anonymous
it's just because japanese structurally lacks the "L" sound, so they never usually learn the right mouth/muscle movements to make that come out correctly
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's funny because the stereotype goes both ways, replacing L with R and vice versa
e.g. implessive
11 months ago
Anonymous
I could learn the mouth shapes for fu and ro just fine, maybe they should switch from umaibos to Big League Chew and stop being such slackjawed homosexuals
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, nah, that's no excuse. The English R is completely different to the Spanish R, yet plenty of Mexicans manage to learn to produce it to an acceptable degree just fine. Shit, they even do it on a lark to mock how los gringos speak. >t. English teacher
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shibboleth is a word/phrase difficult to pronounce by foreigners, used to determine someone's ethnic background in an area where it's common for people to be multilingual. >In October 1937, the Spanish word for parsley, perejil, was used as a shibboleth to identify Haitian immigrants living along the border in the Dominican Republic. Dominican dictator, Rafael Trujillo, ordered the execution of these people. It is alleged that between 20,000 and 30,000 individuals were murdered within a few days in the Parsley Massacre
No, moron, it's like if you saw Latin letters and said "oh okay that's in English" and someone corrected you with >actually it's German.
Russian and Ukrainian have about 60% lexical similarity (same as English and German). For reference, French and Italian have about 90% lexical similarity yet still aren't mutually intelligible beyond some playing charades shit.
Polish, Serbian, and Slovak are more closely related to Russian than Ukrainian is.
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Isn't it more of a language continuum thing? Someone said that Ukrainian as spoken near Poland is pretty incomprehensible to Russians, while Ukrainian spoken in the east is like 50% Russian and is fairly intelligible to Russian speakers.
Not sure how the official written language is.
Isn't it more of a language continuum thing? Someone said that Ukrainian as spoken near Poland is pretty incomprehensible to Russians, while Ukrainian spoken in the east is like 50% Russian and is fairly intelligible to Russian speakers.
This is a completely made-up shit that has nothing to do with reality. There is no dialect continuum in Ukraine, the language spoken in the West and in the East is pretty much identical and it's unintelligible to Russians in either written or spoken forms. The only place in Ukraine where people speak dialects is the Carpathians with Polish/Romanian/Hungarian influences.
>kek don't those things have proxy fuzes?
The thing is proxy fuzes for SAM's are usually tailored to trigger on big targets and reject smaller ones in order to not blow up when encountering decoys or a random bird that gets too close.
Drones typically can be small enough that they have a high chance of not triggering a proxy fuze.
>kek don't those things have proxy fuzes?
TOR has a laser fuse the drone could have been small enough to go between two of the lasers that are at 90 degree angles
>you can clearly see Tor missile flying towards and missing the drone.
That's because: >Detonation mechanism: RF Proximity
The sensor isn't accurate enough to reliably pick up drones.
Are there any SAMs that would have a sensor sensitive enough? I thought the idea with drones is to just throw shells in the air, kind of like a flak barrage
Laser prox fuses might pick it up, I guess. Though, again, it would depend on the granularity.
But yes, the simplest way to do it would be with AHEAD-style flak shells.
Laser prox fuses might pick it up, I guess. Though, again, it would depend on the granularity.
But yes, the simplest way to do it would be with AHEAD-style flak shells.
Someone posted this video once, I think that's basically using flak shells
Never understood why the guy has bound fire to the D key instead of left click
It is, yep >Rheinmetall presented the Skynex Air Defence System in a truck-mounted version, successfully engaging a swarm of eight small drones with the 35mm Revolver Gun Mk3.
>on a flat bed truck >no stabilizer legs >shakes like a leaf
lol, can this thing even hit anything but stationary drones perfectly lined up and waiting to be shot?
Throwing up a flak barrage is to try and kill them in a cost effective manner, but if you've got one staring at your million dollar mobile air defense system, as the other anons have said, there are fusing systems that should let you hit it which is still cheaper then losing the vehicle and whatever missiles it hasn't fired yet.
With anti radiation missiles for example.
If the air defense crews are competent they will turn off and relocate their radar as soon as HARMS are in the air. This will prevent the loss of the systems, but effectively suppress it.
The air campaign against Serbia is a great example of this. Serbia lost very little in terms of air defense, but couldn't use it to defend either.
I've recently read the opposite anon. Ukraine is slowly but surely depleting the Russian AD by stretching them out over bigger and bigger areas and hitting more systems. You think Russia WANTS to be using old WW2 anti-aircraft guns and freakish looking cobbled together systems if they had alternatives?
They are still shooting S-300 at Kharkiv, and we have still yet to see ZSU-23-4 in a capacity, so I am assuming that there is no meaningful shortage.
Losing double digit numbers of Tors or Pantsirs hurts them a bit in regards to deterring NATO, but it doesn't really change the situation much Vs Ukraine.
S-300 is a specific system with a specific purpose, a long range system meant for ballistic missiles and aircraft. You wouldn't want to be using it on cheap drones. Ukraine isn't operating many aircraft in range of S-300's, and the ballistic missiles Ukraine is using seem to all be penetrating. The S-300 will have its day if Ukraine ever gets F-16s, but for now, I think there isn't a lot of use for them beyond deterrence. Secondly, while using S-300 use as primitive ground to ground missiles is indicative of having lots of systems and missiles for it, it also can be indicative of a lack of alternative air to ground missiles.
I have seen more than a dozen articles mocking Russia's use of ZSU-23-4. They are being used in Ukraine as anti-drone weapons. I obviously don't know how many, but you don't use a 60 year old system when you have alternatives. I think it is indicative of Russian losses among Tors or Pantsirs which have been in the News regularly.
>Tors or Pantsirs >deterring NATO
Anon, pls. The only thing deterring NATO is the <1% chance that Russia still has a functioning nuke with a delivery system that works.
TOR was shooting at DJI M300 of my colleagues twice and missed. Got them from with the third rocket though. I've seen the videos, but they were not for sharing
kek don't those things have proxy fuzes?
>0:18
Don't tell me that's GTA's WASTED in Russian
This meme republic is so spicy
It says "Liquidated" but same deal basically. Great vid, the way it fricking sidesteps that missile is some bugs bunny shit
In Ukrainian mind you
Honestly, it's all the same thing to me. It's like if I saw Greek letters and said "oh okay that's in Greek" and someone corrected me with
>actually it's Cypriot
There is a difference in that Ukrainian and russian are not dialects of each other. Russians cannot understand Ukrainian, nor pronounce many of the words
I don't believe that for a second, given that the most prominent examples right now are "Kiev? No it's pronounced Kyiv" and "Belgorod? No it's pronounced Bilhorod"
As a "neutral" bulgarian party who doesn't speak a lick of both languages, ukranian sounds much more closer to polish. With russian i can get the meaning of what someone is saying by recognizind certain words in a sentence, but with ukranian is very hit or miss. In any case grammatical cases are for gays. #definiteArticleMasterRace!!1!1!
Proper nouns aren't the best examples. Consider that Spanish or French uses the same alphabet as English yet are completely different (outside of the loan words we stole).
Isn't it more of a language continuum thing? Someone said that Ukrainian as spoken near Poland is pretty incomprehensible to Russians, while Ukrainian spoken in the east is like 50% Russian and is fairly intelligible to Russian speakers.
Not sure how the official written language is.
All you need to remember whenever language differences come up is this
>A language is a dialect with an army and navy
Dialects are a thing, sure, but it's not Ukrainian dialect that is intelligible, but surzhyk, which is a mix of two languages.
Kyiv is still wrong, as in there is no way to spell it using english nor russian alphabet to get the right pronunciation.
More importantly berlin is spelled the same way in english and german doesnt mean that the languages arent different…
Germany isn't right next to England, with the cultures having intermingled for literally thousands of years
You're right, see
for the example of Czechia and Slovakia.
Neither is "wrong". But importantly one of them makes the chug poltroons seethe and scream "reddit", which, you know, is funny
>I don't believe that for a second
It's true - to a degree.
Russians will have trouble understanding Ukrainian, and it will be nearly impossible to try and speak it properly. Many Ukrainian words are nearly unpronounceable for the average Russian - they literally do not have the letter "h" for example.
Ukrainians are mostly bilingual and do not have this issue. They grew up surrounded by both languages. Some of the western ones might not be able to switch to speaking fluent Russian at will, or at least not very well, but they DO understand it.
It's a similar situation as the Slovak and Czech language. To an outside observer the languages are basically the same, and they shared a country for the better part of a century, yet many younger Czechs find it impossible to understand casually spoken Slovak and find it hard to even read the language, meanwhile Slovaks understand Czech perfectly due to the majority of them growing up on Czech-dubbed movies, shows, songs etc.
>Many Ukrainian words are nearly unpronounceable for the average Russian - they literally do not have the letter "h" for example.
You can easily pull a "perejil"-style shibboleth on somebody by asking them to pronounce the letter 'г'.
A what style what?
Shibboleth is a word/phrase difficult to pronounce by foreigners, used to determine someone's ethnic background in an area where it's common for people to be multilingual.
>In October 1937, the Spanish word for parsley, perejil, was used as a shibboleth to identify Haitian immigrants living along the border in the Dominican Republic. Dominican dictator, Rafael Trujillo, ordered the execution of these people. It is alleged that between 20,000 and 30,000 individuals were murdered within a few days in the Parsley Massacre
Another example was the US Army using the word "lollapalooza" as a password for sentries. The Japs were constantly trying to sneak up to US lines to launch more effective Banzai charges, so when sentries heard noise, they "challenged" the noise for the password Even if the Japanese tortured the password out of a captured GI, a sentry would hear "roh-roh-pa-ruz-yah"
Ukraine is apparently using words like "palianytsia" which apparently Russians can't fricking say. It isn't perfect but it can be helpful
It's funny that even after being taught English at school for 80 years, 99% of them still couldn't pronounce it for shit today.
it's just because japanese structurally lacks the "L" sound, so they never usually learn the right mouth/muscle movements to make that come out correctly
It's funny because the stereotype goes both ways, replacing L with R and vice versa
e.g. implessive
I could learn the mouth shapes for fu and ro just fine, maybe they should switch from umaibos to Big League Chew and stop being such slackjawed homosexuals
Yeah, nah, that's no excuse. The English R is completely different to the Spanish R, yet plenty of Mexicans manage to learn to produce it to an acceptable degree just fine. Shit, they even do it on a lark to mock how los gringos speak.
>t. English teacher
Very interesting, thanks fren
Also, Ukrzaliznytsia
No, moron, it's like if you saw Latin letters and said "oh okay that's in English" and someone corrected you with
>actually it's German.
Russian and Ukrainian have about 60% lexical similarity (same as English and German). For reference, French and Italian have about 90% lexical similarity yet still aren't mutually intelligible beyond some playing charades shit.
Polish, Serbian, and Slovak are more closely related to Russian than Ukrainian is.
Isn't it more of a language continuum thing? Someone said that Ukrainian as spoken near Poland is pretty incomprehensible to Russians, while Ukrainian spoken in the east is like 50% Russian and is fairly intelligible to Russian speakers.
This is a completely made-up shit that has nothing to do with reality. There is no dialect continuum in Ukraine, the language spoken in the West and in the East is pretty much identical and it's unintelligible to Russians in either written or spoken forms. The only place in Ukraine where people speak dialects is the Carpathians with Polish/Romanian/Hungarian influences.
If you see plain I in Cyrillic, and not just the inverted N, it's most likely Ukrainian. Or Belarusian.
>kek don't those things have proxy fuzes?
The thing is proxy fuzes for SAM's are usually tailored to trigger on big targets and reject smaller ones in order to not blow up when encountering decoys or a random bird that gets too close.
Drones typically can be small enough that they have a high chance of not triggering a proxy fuze.
>Don't tell me that's GTA's WASTED in Russian
In Ukrainian, but pretty much.
>kek don't those things have proxy fuzes?
TOR has a laser fuse the drone could have been small enough to go between two of the lasers that are at 90 degree angles
Why cant they just show a normal video without all this shit editing
tiktok generation
Lol this war is really the end of vatnik weapons exports. South Koreans, Turks, French and Americans are salivating.
And we have to believe that they were destroyed you disgusting pig?
>reeeee you blindly believe Ukrainian reports while saying Russians lie about or stage destroyed vehicles?
Yes.
you are a worthless moron
yeah no, this is vatnik level vid.
>moving and perfectly functioning equipment
>just show 'destroyed' over it
just no
>you can clearly see Tor missile flying towards and missing the drone.
That's because:
>Detonation mechanism: RF Proximity
The sensor isn't accurate enough to reliably pick up drones.
Are there any SAMs that would have a sensor sensitive enough? I thought the idea with drones is to just throw shells in the air, kind of like a flak barrage
Laser prox fuses might pick it up, I guess. Though, again, it would depend on the granularity.
But yes, the simplest way to do it would be with AHEAD-style flak shells.
anything with laser proxy I suppose
Someone posted this video once, I think that's basically using flak shells
Never understood why the guy has bound fire to the D key instead of left click
That's basically a Skyranger 35 turret (land-based version of the Millennium Gun System) mounted on a trugg.
It is, yep
>Rheinmetall presented the Skynex Air Defence System in a truck-mounted version, successfully engaging a swarm of eight small drones with the 35mm Revolver Gun Mk3.
>on a flat bed truck
>no stabilizer legs
>shakes like a leaf
lol, can this thing even hit anything but stationary drones perfectly lined up and waiting to be shot?
Throwing up a flak barrage is to try and kill them in a cost effective manner, but if you've got one staring at your million dollar mobile air defense system, as the other anons have said, there are fusing systems that should let you hit it which is still cheaper then losing the vehicle and whatever missiles it hasn't fired yet.
That one is, but the drone got very close
Some SAM systems allow the operator to command detonation at any time, so maybe that.
>jpg
anon plz
i dont see any destroyed vehicles, just a shitty meme video
Another WebM for the collection.
The weird panning/stabilization glitches were in the original. Almost thought my video encoder broke somehow.
>can't beat the strafe
Er strafe es!
In general not the most interesting footage but that SAM dodge was legendary. Yet again BUK broken
r*ssia tier video unfortunately i wanted to see them blow up
>SEADing
Pretty sure that qualifies as DEADing.
What's the difference? I'm not meming, how do you suppress defenses without destroying them?
Jammers suppress systems without destroying them.
With anti radiation missiles for example.
If the air defense crews are competent they will turn off and relocate their radar as soon as HARMS are in the air. This will prevent the loss of the systems, but effectively suppress it.
The air campaign against Serbia is a great example of this. Serbia lost very little in terms of air defense, but couldn't use it to defend either.
That too.
>no aftermath on SAMs
underwhelming vid, hope that's just a one-off
Embarassing video to come from SBU, they should hire the editors that the groups around Bakhmut use.
Hard to get excited about Russian AD attrition, they have no shortage of systems.
I've recently read the opposite anon. Ukraine is slowly but surely depleting the Russian AD by stretching them out over bigger and bigger areas and hitting more systems. You think Russia WANTS to be using old WW2 anti-aircraft guns and freakish looking cobbled together systems if they had alternatives?
They are still shooting S-300 at Kharkiv, and we have still yet to see ZSU-23-4 in a capacity, so I am assuming that there is no meaningful shortage.
Losing double digit numbers of Tors or Pantsirs hurts them a bit in regards to deterring NATO, but it doesn't really change the situation much Vs Ukraine.
S-300 is a specific system with a specific purpose, a long range system meant for ballistic missiles and aircraft. You wouldn't want to be using it on cheap drones. Ukraine isn't operating many aircraft in range of S-300's, and the ballistic missiles Ukraine is using seem to all be penetrating. The S-300 will have its day if Ukraine ever gets F-16s, but for now, I think there isn't a lot of use for them beyond deterrence. Secondly, while using S-300 use as primitive ground to ground missiles is indicative of having lots of systems and missiles for it, it also can be indicative of a lack of alternative air to ground missiles.
I have seen more than a dozen articles mocking Russia's use of ZSU-23-4. They are being used in Ukraine as anti-drone weapons. I obviously don't know how many, but you don't use a 60 year old system when you have alternatives. I think it is indicative of Russian losses among Tors or Pantsirs which have been in the News regularly.
>Tors or Pantsirs
>deterring NATO
Anon, pls. The only thing deterring NATO is the <1% chance that Russia still has a functioning nuke with a delivery system that works.
>'shrimpu flied liece!' calls out a lone voice from the dark forest
> 100 machineguns answer back in unison.
Can we keep the fried rice? Provided it's not filled to the brim with baby corn(I fricking hate it when restaurants do that).
Full HD if you need: https://rumble.com/v2rscma-sbu-removing-aa-systems.html
TOR was shooting at DJI M300 of my colleagues twice and missed. Got them from with the third rocket though. I've seen the videos, but they were not for sharing