Sakko and Vancetti fortress northg from Bakhmut has fallen. Ukrainian army took it back.
Prigogine desperately begs Shoiga and Gerasimo to do something.
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Sakko and Vancetti fortress northg from Bakhmut has fallen. Ukrainian army took it back.
Prigogine desperately begs Shoiga and Gerasimo to do something.
imagine naming cities after dirty fucking Italians
Seethe more, mutt.
Excuse me, after italian commie terrorist.
They were fucking?!
>imagine naming cities after dirty fucking Italians
America? Columbia? Columbus?
Columbus wasn't Italian, he was a garden gnome. A Christian one.
He was not. He was a citizen of genoa (which was in Italy) and a member of the wool weavers guild that he had inherited from his father. So by definition he was not a garden gnome.
He was a marrano, i.e a garden gnome who converted or was forced to convert to Christianity.
>marrano, a Spanish term
>Cristoforo Colombo, a Genoan
His parents were garden gnomes who converted to Christianity, no? I remember reading that in a textbook.
Nah, dad was a weaver from Genoa, while his mum was from Fontanarossa, a small town in Italy.
>he was a Christian garden gnome
Your country is named after a fuckin' Italian, lmao
Vespucci was a dirty Italian? I thought he was a fucking FLORENTINE
>Here's to you, Nicola and Bart
>Rest forever here in our hearts
>The last and final moment is yours
>That agony is your triumph.
Aнapхия-мaмa cынoв cвoих любит!
The best part about this is that it shows the true colors of anarchists - simping for common murderers.
Where the hell do you think you are?
wtf i'm an anarchist now?
Hey anon, sorry for bothering you but here in Italy they are kinda the icon against capital punishment.
Do you think they were guilty somehow, I am asking because I may have been sold a lie.
I don't like communists, or anarchists (whatever they are) since commies killed my family during ww2.
>Do you think they were guilty somehow, I am asking because I may have been sold a lie.
He doesn't know shit. It's just a reactionary knee-jerk response based on past assertions made by any other anon.
Italians run the world
Imagine naming a country after one
>implying north and central Italians like Vespucci and Columbus are dirty fucking Italians
now tell me how Sakko or Vancetti did anything useful to be considered anything but manlet dirty fucking italian terroni even if vancetti was half north italian
You lost, deal with it.
The only consistent answer for why they do anything is they're optics-obssessed retards
At least Hitler had the excuse that Stalingrad had Stalin in its name
Hitler had an excuse of Stalingrad actually being a relevant city to capture. USSR had a fuck load of cities with Stalin's name
Only an Italian could be this pissed at other Italians.
That explains the pasta
if you look it up sacco was a dirty half moor mutt immigrant
but in the end those two were rounded up and executed because they couldnt speak English, had violent political affiliation, and had guns with them when arrested
the last two seem kinda PrepHole don't they
>but in the end those two were rounded up and executed because they couldnt speak English, had violent political affiliation, and had guns with them when arrested
>the last two seem kinda PrepHole don't they
Not when it's a lefty affiliation
t. John the AMERICAn from CINCINNATI
At this breakneck speed the AFU will break Fagner's record for taking Bakhmut.
Here's to you, Shoiga and Gerasim
Rest forever here in our hearts
The last and final moment is yours
That corruption is your triumph
What's the point? Russia has taken all of Bakhmut. Who cares if the Ukies take some dirt on the periphery
>i-it's just dirt
>take 80% of the dirt around bakhmoot
>preggo high tales it claiming he is being left to die, leaving behind the actual armed forces to die
1. Many of Ukraines weapons outrange their Soviet equivalents, making it easier for Ukraine to interdict supplies to Bakhmut than it was for Russia to try and cut off supplies if they can retake enough territory.
2. Retaking the land prevents Russian from using Bakhmut to attack elsewhere.
3. If Ukraine can interdict the roads to Bakhmut from Russian cntrolled territory, it makes it harder to hold Bakhmut and everything Russia just sacrificed will be for nothing
4. Russia is desperate for a win. If there is a danger of being surrounded or losing, they'll be forced to pull troops from places Ukraine wants to attack.
>4. Russia is desperate for a win. If there is a danger of being surrounded or losing, they'll be forced to pull troops from places Ukraine wants to attack.
Big bingo. This has been the strategy for a while now. I have my doubts that is was *always* the plan, it'll be interesting in the post-war to see when the idea solidified in Ukrainian command, but the Russians have very loudly telegraphed their desperation for a win, and they're deeply convinced that Bakhmut holds some sort of equal importance to Ukraine, either symbolically or strategically. It makes it *very* hard for Russia to not double, triple, and quadruple down on taking the city.
That's entirely too juicy an opportunity to a defender that's planning an imminent offensive that'll probably be across multiple fronts (thee at most, I'd wager).
Thanks to Russian media and Prighozhin, Bakhmut is too important to surrender without a significant showing by the Russians. If it actually has the intended effect, whoever planned this shit is going to single-handedly revive the fucking Military Channel from all the documentaries about him.
>whoever planned this shit
he's highly likely already dead, actually
>Many of Ukraines weapons outrange their Soviet equivalents
Ukie weapons are Soviet weapons lol
What difference does it make if Russia captures the whole city?
Uh oh the coping has begun.
Ok unironicaly, how will russia' position in ukrain change when they take bakmut? It doesn't seem it would solve much for them
Have you ever read up on what happens to the Germans in Stalingrad before? You might want to.
Past performance is not indicative of future results
>2 of them are a couple
>so there's 1 person forever alone
He's literally me (Ryan Gosling)
I mean, it's literally 3 houses
It was three houses. It's most certainly a field of craters at this point
It's a fucking khutir, not a village.
>Russians lost 3 houses
Any win is a win when you're losing
>Any win is a win when you're winning
Winners usually don't brag about every small thing do they
Half a Pisky. Must have been one hell of a fortress.
Pisky had like 2000 people prewar
I'm hoping for a drawn out battle here for the meme value
For me? Crossing my fingers for the battle of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinky,_Donetsk_Oblast
If they start using chemical weapons, that should be where
Now you realize, why people laughed at russians and indians, who spammed hundreds of threads about taking it. Do you?
Must've been the first time that a place's population actually rose after the Vatniks moved in.
It was the second.
First was the red forest.
I commend your attempt at making us remember Russians going right into irradiated forest, but with that rationale, "place's population actually rose after the Vatniks moved in" applies to every forest
>The Multidimensional Hyperfortress SAKKO
I'll believe it when I see it, but the schiZos sure seems to be incredibly pissy about something.
The third assault group carried out offensive actions on the western outskirts of Bakhmut, creating a bridgehead for a further counteroffensive.
The width of the breakthrough strip was 2000 m, and the depth was 700 m.
Previously, the enemy had at least 50 "200s" and up to a hundred "300s". As of now, 4 more Russians are in captivity. The enemy's reserves in this direction were also liquidated, in particular several Russian warehouses of BC.
Successful assault operations were carried out by fighters of the 1st assault (https://t.me/ShturmBat1) and 1st mechanized (https://t.me/FirstMehBat) battalions.
Follow the news on the channel. About the details - soon.
why do they have to use that stupid 200 and 300 euphemism anyway
It's not an euphemism, it's a common code that everyone understands.
>why do they have to use that stupid 200 and 300
it's just their version of us saying KIA and WIA
Because saying abbreviations sounds goofy, whilst 200 or 300 in Russian is one word which sounds better
I don't see how taking a few hundred meters changes the situation
Uhh, the rate of advancement of Ukranians is an order of magnitude faster than what Russia achieved. Each day azov are taking 1-2 weeks worth of progress from wagner/Mod
Amazing, at this rate Ukraine will achieve its goals in 500 years where it took Rusia almost 1000 years.
>1 day is to 2 weeks as 500 years is to 1000 years
I didn't know literal 6 year olds were allowed on this site
Where did I hear this before? Or right, during the Svatove and Kreminna offensives that went nowhere.
Yea, same with Kharkov and Kharkiv, Izyum etc. Quick question, have you seen any of the new, NATO-tier brigades yet in any videos/pics on Intel Slava or wherever you get your updates from? Waiting for your answer
Whoever said anything about Izium and Kherson? Those were proper breakthroughs and offensives, props to Ukraine for those. But ever since then every captured trench around Svatove, Kerminna or Bakhmut has been hyped up as some kind of major offensive or devastating Russian defeat. Fuck off already with this pedantic nosense.
>has been hyped up as some kind of major offensive
we're just laughing about them reversing weeks of progress by basically walking straight forward for a bit
Gee willikers, if it's that easy I guess Bakhmut never was in any real danger.
this wasn't hyped up as some mayor offensive. no one knows where it will be. what we know is this, Ukraine is making progress on the flanks around Bakhmut. they are not yet using the new toys they got to do this. soo this means if russia commits some significant reserves from somewhere SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN
>But ever since then every captured trench around Svatove, Kerminna or Bakhmut has been hyped up as some kind of major offensive or devastating Russian defeat
by Russian telegram channels and media. Anon's opinions on PrepHole on this have been pretty consistent on the side of
>These are shaping operations/localized counter-assaults re: Bakhmut.
Regarding Kreminna or Svatove, I don't even remember when anybody's mentioned those since like fucking September, and then everyone was generally pretty fucking bored for the winter, save for the shenanigans around Avdiivka and Vuhledar.
(You)'re probably the one hyping these things in your own mind, maybe out of a sense of anxiety or restlessness? Dreadful anticipation, maybe?
But then the only people we've mostly observed shitting themselves and declaring giga-habbenings (like tanks in 30 minutes to Belgorod) have been vatmorons, and surely your concern-trolling ass isn't a vatmoron, right?
Someone failed math this year... again
it's been 9 months and the encirclement of bakhmut only started a few months ago.
not a real Azov account
>Posts about advancements around Bakhmut
>Will ignore advancements in the Bakhmut itself
Your brain on cope
Bakhmut is taken already pretty much. Thing is, Wagner cannot defend it lol. First of all, they have no more soldiers left, second of all, there's no favourable positions anymore, the town was levelled. So yes, Ukraine is advancing very well 🙂
Supposedly they didn't have any soldiers left in december either. Didn't stop them from rekking the AFU in Bakhmut.
No one said anything like that. I'm just quoting wagner/RU sources. As of recently, according to them, ISW, US intel, Ukranian intel, pretty much everyone, Wager is depleted. They've thrown the men that were holding the flanks into the city because they have no one left. Where have you been the past month, why do you think Prigozhin is yelling?
Your russian sources are probably Strelkov/Murzin tier of exclusively posting about how bad Russian army is for the sake of appealing to people like you.
>They've thrown the men that were holding the flanks into the city
When one attacks a fortified position they usually concentrate their forces in one place.
>why do you think Prigozhin is yelling
He was yelling about shell supply, not manpower losses
Prigozhin is always sperging out and lying. Remember when he said he was going to pull out of Bakhmut? Yeah, how's that one going for ya?
> how's that one going for ya?
Didn't he say he pulled his troops from the flanks so that he can take the city? And now he's crying that the RU troops left in their place are collapsing?
At the same time, not even the RU MOD is denying the flanks are collapsing so...
>flanks are collapsing
I don't think you know what any of those words mean.
Hey, I'm quoting Wagner and Rybar here + confirmed footage on the ground, sorry you don't like that
You're looking at two blue specks on a map. Russia pulling out and moving back one trench is not a fucking collapse, nor does it jeopardize their positions in Bakhmut proper. the AFU is now in the same position Wagner was a couple of months ago where they have to bang their heads against fortified positions to make marginal gains. This is not the kind of fight Ukraine can afford to have.
No it's not the same. Look at a topographic map, you absolute retard, Ukraine literally controls the high ground. The fact that they managed to take that high ground in less than a week tells you everything you need to know about how they are doing. We all have seen the videos, even fucking Wagner posted about them, saying that RU troops there have collapsed. BMPs driving along and blasting russians from meters away, tanks running into trenches without any opposition. What would you call that if not a collapse?
you are talking to the same retards that 1 year ago said Russia retreated from @ Kiev, and didn't in fact, rout. Same with Kharkiv and Kherson lel. Can't wait for their cope next month
badly translated russian slang pretty much
Wagner held that high ground for months and it did nothing to help them in Bakhmut. And if they're supposedly collapsing why are they gaining less ground each and every day? They've been larping about taking Klischiivka for more than a week now. Two more trenches, right?
Shutup, you're clearly a vatnik slavmoron shill or whatever is the insult of the day
Well done bud. I got fed up with Russia boasting about their shitty unearned hyped-up gains since december and now Ukraine is doing the same. Call me when they manage another Balakliia style breakthrough. Should be easy right? They have more equipment and resources this time.
If you're posting stuff out of date, let me post Mairuopol or any other shit that is not relevant today
> less and less every day
Why are the chunks getting bigger and bigger tho? Are you that retarded?
map already out of date, they lost a fuckton more in the north today lel
> ass about to be in the ass
It kinda makes sense now tbf
Yeah but you know very well the vatnik losers you see posting here will be fucking hollering and celebrating once the last building in the city is destroyed. Nothing else but symbolism with these lot. Look how happy they were when they thought they took down a Patriot, only to turn out a system got scratched and is now back in use. In the meantime we've seen dozens of videos of pantsirs and buks being rekt by Ukraine at the same time, and no one is talking about that, because these morons are drowning out the convo with their fucking patriots
I know you can't read Russian, but the only new chunk is the light blue one and the one on the botton right with red text was reclaimed by Wagner
Flanks are still much further into Ukrainian territory than Bakhmut itself, despite the losses. It sounds like you just went for a poor "no you" response due to lack of rebbutle
Is that what you have left to stand on? That it's much further into Ukraine than the city? Check the latest Rybar, and have a rough guess at how that map will look like in a few days
Yeha but making projections based on early result is foolish. Just because they conceded some territory does not mean they will not reinforce their current positions. Just as Bakhmut was moving ahead much more until Ukranian forces reinforced what they could and concentrated in large.
>First of all, they have no more soldiers left,
If they don't have any soldiers left, why are they gaining territory there every single day. I don't think they are concerned about manpower either. They have endless supply to recruit from which soldiers would sign up for eagerly as they pay much much more than the Russian army
my dude there's hours worth of Prigozhin rants out there the past week. Or you gonna say it's some 5d chess and he's actually bluffing? Know your place, you're talking about the 9th month of a siege of the 54th largest city in Ukraine.
He could be yelling 24/7, he's still posting daily gains in Bakhmut itself which no one denies, not even Ukranian MOD
quick question. Do you think Ukraine is using its NATO tier units in Bakhmut right now? Or even on the flanks? Answer honestly. And by nato tier I mean the newly formed brigades, the ones with the bradleys, challys, leo 2s, strikers + the 50-70k EU trained troops.
So then it is Nato weapons not Ukranian weapons. Plus we also know how far they are behind on EU trains troops quotas from that US discord leak
US discord leaks showed that all infantry has been trained, what are you on about? It's supplies and some vehicles they were/are waiting till May.
> So then it is Nato weapons not Ukranian weapons.
Goes to show you haven't even read the discord leaks lel. Go give them a read, then come back and tell me the exact composition of the top 3 motorised/armoured brigades 🙂
It showed that almost all regiments have been dramatically behind on their scheduled dates and at a very small percentage of fulfillment for all except like 2-3 from what I recall. You can look it over again and post it here
Why is Prigo actually posting those audio and video messages publicly? What's his endgame? Is this all theater for us / western media, or rather some internal Russian power struggle? I guess the same question is valid for Girkin, is he actually a critic of the leadership, or is he just playing his part in maskirovka
To put pressure on Shoigu, I expect. WW2 generals probably would have done the same if there was a source of free instant media
But wouldn't that be tying a noose for yourself in any kind of political system? Even in a liberal system the rules of war mean you at least get forcibly silenced, if not jailed for stuff like that... it's so weird. So it's either complete incompetency of Russian leadership (they can't silence a guy because he's rich), or it's somehow beneficial for them to get criticized publicly...
Well that's always the thing, he is specifically NOT calling out the government itself and especially not Putin. The leader of the armed forces already got replaced multiple times, so it's not political suicide to say he's fucking up
>Well that's always the thing, he is specifically NOT calling out the government itself
That's not true though, he's specifically pointing at Shoigu, who is top leadership, no? So maybe the play is actually that Prigo is aiming to become the MoD under Putin after Shoigu is purged?
No, Shoigu is just another slave. The only leadership and authority is Putin.
I mean, Soviet commanders were actively fucking eachother over during the battle of Berlin, going so far as to """accidentally"""" shelling friendly troops under the command of a rival commander.
>I General Patton am calling on the piece of shit Mongtomery and Bradley! GIVE ME TANKS!
I don't see it.
Part of surviving under Putin's regime is making yourself look like an idiot, so nobody seriously thinks you can replace the Great Leader and force him to purge you. This also makes the Great Leader look sensible and reasonable.
That's why Medved is ranting like like a schizo all time nowadays.
he knows that if Wagner is told to move forward from Bakhmut it'll be turned into a pink mist because it's more fortified than Severodonetsk and uphill
Prigozhin and Shoigu/Gerasimov have a feud started in Syria. What he does now is a theatre for one viewer sitting in Kremlin, which is pretty clear - no one else has the authority to press MoD into cooperation with Wagner, but his real goals are, indeed, a mystery so far.
Here's to you...
Prigozhin and Monke
Rest forever in blown up old tank
The last and final eyebrow is raised
Russia still can't take Bakhmut....
In the lands of Ukraine, a tale unfolds,
Of Vladimir Putin, a monkey so bold.
With a hunger for power, he set out to find,
Bananas aplenty to satisfy his mind.
Through the forests he ventured, with a cunning gaze,
His ambition unwavering in those vast maze.
But Ukraine's bananas were nowhere to be seen,
A challenge to Putin, the monkey so keen.
He swung from the trees with a stealthy grace,
Searching high and low in every possible place.
Yet the bananas eluded his prying sight,
Leaving him puzzled, frustrated, and full of spite.
He scoured the orchards, the fields, and the hills,
But the bounty he sought only added to his ills.
For the people of Ukraine held their bananas tight,
Refusing to succumb to Putin's might.
The monkey grew furious, his temper ablaze,
How dare they deny him his rightful craze!
But Ukraine stood united, unyielding and strong,
Protecting their borders, where they truly belong.
In this tale of Putin, the monkey's defeat,
We witness the power of a nation so fleet.
For Ukraine's spirit, unbending and true,
Prevailed over greed, and the monkey's coup.
So let this be a lesson, for all to perceive,
That even the mightiest can stumble and grieve.
No banana, nor power, can conquer a land,
When its people stand firm, hand in hand.
Ah, Gilligan's Island
Ahem. Sorry, shill, (not sorry), but I happen to know , that you're not quoting Wagner, because Wagner, sweatie, and write this down, actually, they speak Russian. Yeah. And what you wrote was in English. Checkmate, shilltheist.
Don’t care, Russia is winning
I'm trans btw
Territory wise? Maybe. Although even there they've lost more and more of the captured territory since early 2022 so...
Economically, demographically, socially, geopolitically, technologically? No.
How so? Like I'm genuinely curious how you arrived at that conclusion.
They're occupying more of Ukraine than the Ukraine is occupying of them. And it's the best of Ukraine's lands too
no its not really
>Verification not required.
But Ukraine occupies like half of Russia's Kherson, Zaporizhia and Donetsk oblasts.
It's most certainly not after the ziggers are done stealing all the household applinaces.
But is it worth it if it leads to significant NATO expansion along their borders at a huge cost in manpower and equipment? Wasn't the initial goal to quickly capture Kyiv, increase their borders and resources, and ward off NATO expansion in the region?
Except Russia cannot secure said lands without constant threat of bombing or invasion. They're holding, not occupying, big difference.
So you believe long term owning this land is gonna be valuable enough to balance out all the losses incurred as a result of this war? I mean they're gonna dig out some unbelievably rare material there that will offset their insurmountable losses (economic, human life, trade, diplomatic etc.)? This is such a weird position to me. Even if they annexed the whole of Ukraine tomorrow, it still wouldn't have been worth it by any meaningful measure
You see, he would have felt like he owned someone. This victory wouldn't really belong to the guys who fought and died over the land. It would belong to HIM who bravely carried the fight into the heart of the NAFO and shitposted even though he got a bad case of assrot from sitting in his chair and not washing for weeks. He did it! It was his victory over the trannies and gobohomalists!
>and it's the best lan-
no, you're wrong, period.
>they're occupying more of ukr-
the soviet union also occupied more of afghanistan than afghanistan did the soviet union, but in the end, the soviet union got embarassed militarily, left with its tail between it's legs, and fucking died and shattered into a million pieces as it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
the same thing is happening here, russia will collapse as well, the difference is that they never even reached the insurgency level in ukraine, they just lost against the conventional army lol.
This isn't how warfare works. But it's okay, you're just a brown 4chanmoron tourist.
They've lost vastly more land than they've gained in the last 8 months.
Good morning saar! Can I get an eyebrow check?
In case you're too dumb to notice ukraine is trading the new brigades for 500m in bakhmut. This is fucked and they are fucked too they are wasting all that western equipment on this shit
Wagner actually has enough ammo there to keep inflicting serious casualties on them. They put everything on this one card and it will break them
Im practically convinced Russia will win this war especially since all the aid is starting to take a financial toll in the west
>wasting the new brigades
these were just probing attacks by the same old ukrainian brigades though, not the new ones. why are you talking so matter-of-factly when what you're saying is schizo tier rambling?
If there was evidence of a single brad destroyed in action these fifth column retards would’ve spammed it endlessly
I have seen literally 0 evidence of any heavy brigades in those fights, have you? Genuinely curious, to me everything from the last 2 weeks I've seen on UKR side was just light infantry / volunteers / national guard.
>trading the new brigades
brigade, singular, it's all done by one brigade, lighter one also, not the one equipped to the brim with western tanks and IFVs
Also you are severely retarded, seek help
No these are more Ukrainian Azov which are essentially just Ukrainian Wagner.
They're doing this themselves to try and take some glory from the eventual counteroffensive
Azov isn't wagner, they don't get special treatment from Ukie goverment...
>right wing extremist volunteers turned national guard battalion is the same as an improvised private shtrafbat funded by blood diamonds
True, there's literally hundreds of destroyed leopards
I've seen them on intel slava z
>Im practically convinced Russia will win this war especially since all the aid is starting to take a financial toll in the west
This, so much this. Especially now that the US default on June 1 is almost inevitable at this point.
It may be difficult to understand to a poor thirdworlder, but the US billions sent to Ukraine are a rounding error in the US budget.
I'm surprised it actually went official. They've been discussions here about this very topic. A weapon produced 30 years ago and taken if storage doesn't hold the sticker price anymore.
They proably want to fit in the budget more weapons for the ukies, heh
And soon enough the US won't be able to pay for anything, because default will cause immediate economic collapse.
Just 2 more weeks! amirite zizterz?
If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I would have enough to pay the US's debt 2 times over
Go die in a ditch already
>third worlder doesn't understand that it's Republicans trying to force a welfare budget cut
First, I'd like you to connect me to your supervisor because you clearly need some coaching. Second, you should know how the American economy works. In the past 64 years, there have been 90 votes to raise the debt ceiling. It happens all the time. The debt ceiling is not a substantive issue, it is political theater and always has been, and even in the instances when no agreement is reached, which has happened before, the implications of it were never dire. An agreement is always reached within some days even in the worst-case scenarios where government employees are furloughed for a few days while talking heads come to an agreement.
To put it into perspective, try to imagine you're having an argument between you and your krokodil supplier. He has generous amounts of supply but he is no longer having taking payments in the form of gay buttsex with you because you gave him AIDS. So the two of you faff on about it for awhile before you finally agree to give him a washing machine door to go with the parts shipped back to him when his son's T-72 was sent to the Moon by a Javelin. You both know that it's gonna happen, you're just negotiating a price, see?
Lmao, that Krokodil dealer analogy gets the point across so well. "You both know that it's gonna happen, you're just negotiating a price" applies to so many things in politics
jesus their situation is so desperate that they are literally grasping at straws lmfao
>the US default on June 1 is almost inevitable at this point.
>ziggers always project
Ooh la la, seems the Russia's in a lot worse shape than I thought.
Delusional, pure and simple
Ukrainian commanders around Bakhmut have recently complained that none of the fancy new shit has reached them, they have less ammo than crybaby Prigozhin and that these advances are just small probing actions because they lack the weapons and ammo to do anything serious.
Russian sources have been in agreement with them.
>especially since all the aid is starting to take a financial toll in the west
YOU CANNOT CONCEIVE OF THE FINANCIAL POWER OF THE WEST MY BOY!
Finally realized who that gay reminds me of
You stupid fucking gay, there's not a single new brigade in Bakhmut, its just the 92nd, whos been there since the beginning last year, and Azov and a few paramilitary militia forces.
Let's be honest here, guys: Ukraine will never be able to regain all of the territories that Russia has seized since 2014. Even the promised counteroffensive is likely to achieve only minor successes, because the Russian army has successfully prepared in all directions, from Svatovo to Kakhovka. How could it not end up that in the event of a failed counteroffensive, the Ukrainian army would be weakened and the Russian army would launch a counteroffensive to take Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Zaporozhye and Kharkov, as well as take back control of Kherson and other territories on the right bank of the Dnieper? There is a saying in Russia: Russians are slow to harness horses, but fast to ride them. Besides, Russia very rarely loses wars in which it takes part, so the Winter War scenario, the Korean War scenario, and many others are possible. Don't underestimate us. This is a warning to all our enemies.
>Let's be honest
said no ruscist ever
tl;dr I agree they probably won't get back Crimea but all the """separatist""" states are gonna get reconquered
if they loose the rest they sure as fuck cant keep crimea.
>Verification not required.
Crimea is pretty much an impenetrable fortress right now, it's almost an island which can't be conquered by any force, nor even all NATO armies combined. Ukraine will never take it back by military means.
That's why the bridge will spontaniously explode and the water canal from north will run dry.
>look, we have a trench on the beach facing Bulgaria
>we are fucking impenetrable
Crimea has been taken everytime since the XXth century.
Cut their fresh water that comes from Kherson, bomb it from the north at will, and the rats will run away through Putin's bridge.
There won't be bridge to run away.
Remember that War of the Worlds ferry scene? yes, it will be like that.
>Crimea has been taken everytime since the XXth century.
Back then, there were no nuclear weapons placed there. Now Russia has at least 4 tactical nukes there.
guess they better get them out when the ukes move on lower kherson then lmao
Ukraine can shoot down all the missiles that can carry those nukes now, as we've seen. Is that supposed to impress me?
>Blow up the bridge
>Blow up any transports trying to dock at Kerch
>Blow up all major fuel stores
>can't sustain itself internally
>only landbridge is with the assaulting force
>easily cut off from the mainland
Can you name one example of any conflict after WW1 where either side has been able to construct an "impenetrable fortress"? Do you remember how Saddam called the fortifications south of Kuwait city as impenetrable, only to get literally rolled over by light forces (because heavy battalions were rushing through the desert 200km west)?
>Can you name one example of any conflict after WW1 where either side has been able to construct an "impenetrable fortress"?
>Do you remember how Saddam called the fortifications south of Kuwait city as impenetrable
Kuwait city wasn't a peninsula, like Crimea, and Crimea is almost an island, there are only 1 road there which connects it to the mainland, the Perekop isthmus, near Armiansk. Learn some geography. If Russia controls Armiansk, AFU won't be able to take Crimea.
>taken by Reds in 1922
>taken by Germans in 1942
>taken by soviets in 1944
>muh Crimea fortress
>taken by Reds in 1922
>taken by Germans in 1942
>taken by soviets in 1944
They all had a numerical advantage at the time of the capture of the peninsula, both in number of troops and equipment. Ukraine won't.
Not even close. Soviets had almost double the troops the Germans had when they lost Crimea.
But they had less equipment, and Romanian fleet helped the Germans too.
>Romanian fleet helped
Ah yes the fearsome Romanian navy of 1941. Truly an equal of the Soviet Black Sea fleet.
Don't bother, he's going to keep making excuses
Crimea has ~10k garrison
And how many of those are fighting troops or even willing to fight besieged without fresh water and supplies?
Russians will run from Crimea like they ran from Kherson. Guaranteed.
They litteraly don't need to assault Crimea directly. If they retake the 2014 frontier, they can cut the water, blow the bridge and sit waiting for vatnik to starve their reserves.
>cutting the water from an island
>what is fresh water
>what are wells
Yes, the fuckers should have built desalination plants for this eventuality.
Lost technology, please understand.
I know Vatniks are retarded, but I invit you to try to drink seawater.
Vatnik turned the water back on in March of 2022. They can deal with it being cut off.
Agreed, everyone had big hopes for the counter offensive but it's becoming more likely it will never materialize. Ukraine risks losing too much if it fails.
Da comrade, john smithovich here in ohio oblast, if ukronazis lose even one abrahams in combat we will cut them off!
What would be funnier? Ukraine wins without any Abrams ever being used in combat, or there is 1 Abrams lost that the ziggers keep spamming while they get swept back?
They won't lose any shiny western toys because the offensive isn't happening.
This. Spring is almost over. There are only 13 days until summer begins, and yet we have seen nothing, just small gains near Bakhmut (Artemovsk) and Soledar, which were simply abandoned by Russian forces and which don't even give AFU any strategic, operational or tactical advantages.
It was always about the weather, not time.
Ukraine had a cold weather with many rains until a week ago.
>It was always about the weather, not time.
It was announced that the Ukrainian counteroffensive will start this spring. Spring is almost over, now they say it will start this summer. What will they say when it doesn't start this summer? By the way, the U.S. refused to provide Ukraine with F-16s and forbade allies to begin training Ukrainian pilots on these fighters. What does this tell us? That the Pentagon knows more than it states publicly. The Ukrainian army will probably not succeed this year, and next year this conflict will finally go into a freezing phase, because NATO money and weapons are not infinite.
>It was announced
Where, by who?
By the Ukrainian officials. Zelensky, Reznikov, Zaluzhny, Yermak, Budanov, Arestovich, many others. They all said that AFU will begin counteroffensive this spring, and now the spring is almost over, yet we have seen no signs of any counteroffensive yet, I doubt that reclaiming 5 sq km near Bakhmut counts as one.
>doesn't actually say who and where announced it
So it wasn't actually announced by anyone and you just making it up, I see.
It's funny. The successful conduction of pre-offensive shaping operation - both physical and verbal - supremely *relies* upon people as wildly retarded as you credulously absorbing things that a thinking person would parse. I want to roast you, but you're actually serving a purpose.
why dont you post the source vatnig
Not the vatnig, but his Indian-article is citing this NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/world/europe/ukraine-f-16-biden-netherlands-britain.html
spring ends on 21st of June you retard
The last day of spring is May 31 both in Russia and Ukraine. Summer begins on June 1.
the solstice doesn't care about human calendars
Summer starts June 21st
You are going to be fucking crushed you arrogant prick and everyone in the entire world is going to laugh at you.
>Let's be honest
>Make a reasonable statement that the offensive could fail
>Goes into full schitzo that Russia will somehow be able to take cities twice as big as Bakhmut.
Ukraine could get every single one of their western backed troops slaughtered down to the last man and it won't change the Ukrainian defensive lines in the slightest.
yes im in much agreement. stop these senseless brotherwars. lets not provoke russian beer
t. john texas from ohio oblast.
>Russia very rarely loses wars in which it takes part
Seven Years War (switched sides at the very end for no reason and turned certain victory into a status quo ante peace)
Third War of the Coalition
Fourth War of the Coalition
World War 1
First Chechen War
Yeah they sure very rarely lose wars.
You forgot Russo-Estonian war, Russo-Latvian war, Russo-Lithuanian war.
You forgot the Russia, Finnishs Winter War
As embarrassing as it was for Russia they absolutely won the winter war.
They won "Embarrassingly"
A victory is a victory, they can even call this war in Ukraine a victory if they want too.
And Ukraine can massacre the Mobiks in front of the world to see.
But a victory nonetheless
9 wars in 300 years for a country that takes part in almost every conflict in Europe is not so bad
>the horse is being harnessed
John from Wyoming oblast here, I approve of this statement. Long live emperor Putin! Long live Emperor Xi! The west is doomed!
You sound desperate
New map just dropped. Russia has lost more land in the south
is it just me or is the amount of territory lost in the flanks around the same as whole of Bakhmut?
i think from that pic its just a little bit less. another 5km^2 patch would tip the scales tho.
Why are the Russians pushing in Bakhmut still when their flanks are collapsing?
To cut off the salients obviously. When Ukrainian dick is far up their ass, they will squeeze the cheeks
ever been in a company where the managers do stupid shit that will backfire just to make the indicator big enough for the annual bonus?
oh my god it's going to be a slaughter isn't it
They're rushing a Victory Point win.
Because Russian forces have no unified command. PMCs do their own thing, army does another. All politics, no objective beyond being reactionary on the truest sense of the word.
desperately begs Shoiga and Gerasimo to do something.
What's the source of this mp4; an intercepted call?
the Grey Zone, Wagner's telegram channel
>the Grey Zone, Wagner's telegram channel
Would you have an exact link? I've looked through that channel (https://t.me/grey_zone/) I don't see that video there.
Why is some zigger running an info op ITT? What does he get out of it?
>Sakko and Vancetti fortress northg from Bakhmut has fallen. Ukrainian army took it back.
I think we're entering a long period of positional war, where no side attempts anything but perhaps an local offensive. Both sides will play it safe, Ukraine will wait to get even more equipment and create an even bigger doomstack, while Russia will try to score while playing defence, they'll save ammo and men and dig even deeper.
Your favorite song. Nicola, Bart, immigrants wrongly executed. But their deaths served as a message to others. That ours is a society that murders the innocent. Do you, too, believe that your sacrifice will change the world?
>Russian milbloggers catching on that maybe the counter offensives are a trap to draw in the last of the combat ready Russian troops
Funny how this was the anti-Ukraine shill line for so long.
I won't be surprised at all if the counter offensive ends up exactly like the Kharkiv one did.
>Ukrainians taking hundreds of square kilometers a day.
>Russians refuse to pull assets from Bakhmut to help defend areas that desperately need it.
>Ukraine takes even more ground.
>Russia still cares more about taking Bakhmut than anything else.
>Ukraine ends up taking a few thousand of square kilometers before Russia can finally pull together a defense to stop them.
I called it a couple of days ago. It is another Ukrainain Zugzwang. Just like Kherson, Kharkiv and the rest. They give Russia a series of bad choices:
1. Defend Bakhmut and lose your best troops in unfavorable fighting while weakening your defenses in a place that matters.
2. Give up Bakhmut, all of Russia will know your fuck up. The recriminations and criticism will be relentless. Also, well just do it again and again anyway.
Enjoy. Best of luck.
>Give up Bakhmut, all of Russia will know your fuck up
Why did they build up Bakhmut so fucking much anyway? No one's jerking off over any other insignificant city on the frontline
They knew it was a good place to bleed Russia dry. After Severodonetsk and Lysychansk Russian loses were so severe they had to take a 2 month operational pause. If Russia some how manages to not only fully take Bakhmut and also secure the flanks they won't be able to do anything else for at least several months if not longer.
I'm talking about Russia jerking off over advancing their frontline 2 meters
They didn't really build it up. What happened was that it was first attacked in the summer of last year when Russia was still advancing. At the time, the fall of Bakhmut would enable them to directly attack two major cities further west from two directions. East (Bakhmut) and the north (Izyum). Bakhmut was aslo fairly easy for Russia to supply with shells, and food. Bakhmut wasnt particularly well defended at the time either, so it made sense to attack. Then, a couple things happened:
1. Ukraine launched the attack on Kharkiv, which cause the Russians to lose a bunch of ground close to the two cities mentioned above.
2. Between Kharkiv and Kherson offensives it forced Russia to redeploy a bunch of troops from the Bakhmut area which weakened the attacks.
3. Ukraine was given time to build defenses in Bakhmut due to the above.
At this point, Russia mobilized more troops and someone made the decision to attack somewhere while Ukraine was receiving aid and training. They decided to attack Bakhmut even though it had less value now and was better defended because there wanst any better locations at attack.
The end result was a lot of dead Russians. Also, since it went on so long, Ukraine was able to still rebuild their army over the winter and spring.
>At this point, Russia mobilized more troops and someone made the decision to attack somewhere while Ukraine was receiving aid and training. They decided to attack Bakhmut even though it had less value now and was better defended because there wanst any better locations at attack.
The rumors are Putin is micro-managing the war like all idiot dictators (they don't realize the limit of their competency) and he wanted all of Donbass taken for his so called "off-ramp". He could then say the SMO is over, and then ask for a cease fire. In his mind, Ukraine would be so battered from missile attacks and dead soldiers that they would be begging for an end to hostilities. With a frozen conflict, they could then defacto incorporate the lands into Russia, and then prevent Ukraine from ever joining NATO. Then Putin and the Oligarchs get all that juicy new oil/gas to plunder, and their land bridge and the port in Crimea.
Win-win-win. What could go wrong?
Except that is the literal exact same situation ("""separatists""" resisting Ukraine, Ukraine unable to ever join NATO because of disputed borders) as before the war. The only difference here would be that the republics would be more integrated since he "annexed" them. In return, managed to
>increase the military spending of every single European nation
>make Ukraine permanently hostile
>grow NATO by another few countries right next go Russia
>make the Russian military a laughingstock
The one who made the "decision" to keep attacking Bakhmut was Piggy Prigozhin from the Mafia. He's been running the show.
To be fair, if they took all of Donbass, they'd have more than they took before 2022.
>The one who made the "decision" to keep attacking Bakhmut was Piggy Prigozhin from the Mafia. He's been running the show.
Nah, it comes from Putin himself. It's all political. Prigozhin stepped up and said Wagner could take the city where the army had failed. This was gonna be his power move. Now he's trapped and Wagner forces are depleted.
By all accounts Russia should have been able to take Bakhmut. It was an alley oop so they built it up as a great victory to play for the yokels and vatniks back home. The fact that Ukraine would fight so hard to hold it is both unexpected and irrational, so I can't exactly blame the Russian propagandists for thinking it was just a matter of 2 weeks before they could claim victory there.
>unexpected and irrational
Unexpected maybe. Rational for the purposes of preventing Russians from getting a morale boost. Look how embarrassing this is. It's so bad the exploded a small drone above the Kremlin for a photo op.
>from ukraine in 2 days
>to bachmut in 2 years
What is the red circle supposed to be showing?
ERA slapped on the Sosna-U sight
According to Rob Lee the retreating Russian troops from last week were from Kreminna and Vuhledar, both are directions you could see a Ukrainian offensive be directed towards.
It was the "look we can still do things!" town meant to give some Initiative back to the Russians after the Kharkiv regrouping and Kherson gift return, of course this war can be defined by sunk-cost fallacies and this turned into another.
Yeah, the official Russian story is that they willingly left Kyiv/Kherson/Kharkiv (for no particular reason...) so that they could focus all of their effort on "saving the people in Donbas".
After 6-months of human wave attacks they are now almost in control of a town located a few km from the 2014 contact line.
vatniks really got bamboozled by their intel
>9 month battle
>gain/loss of enough land that it'd take almost twenty seconds to drive across it
Is WW3 actually going to be WW1 again?
Trenches are simply too OP. The correct way to beat them is air power and for that you need competent SEAD
Aren't drones and modern artillery supposed to be able to hit the trench, rather than land somewhere near it like it did 120 years ago?
*12 month battle.
The MoD likely doesn't count Wagner, or the separatists for that matter.
Looks like you fucks won’t be spamming that dumb cat anymore.
Bakhmut has fallen.
You tried spamming a bunch of threads on this just a bit ago. What makes you think this will work, and what do you think it would change if it did work?
I haven’t posted this once. Nice try, though.
Boss man will confirm, soon.
This photo is not even from Bachmut, you worthless retard.
… I didn’t claim it was?
Someone please drone this retard. Would love to see his head paraded around.
Park not taken, keep trying.
Source me up, then
Unless I get geolocated footage of some AIDS infested wagnerite at the western entrance of the city I won't believe it
Whenever Russia captures anything it actually captures it 7 times (it turns out, the previous 6 times didn't actually happen), so now I won't believe you until I see the wagnerite's antibody test chart.
It only took 9 months and 50,000 casualties. What a glorious victory for King Monkey!
It's probably 50K dead, 100K casualties though. We won't know for sure until someone hacks the Russian ministry of defense in a decade and leaks all the documents. They probably lost 20K prisoners in pointless suicide attacks alone.
The idea is that Bakhmut is a side-show and the troops are there to just keep Russians pinned down. New counter offensive will be where Russia is at their weakest.
>Bakhmut is a side-show
Doesn't make it feel any better for the people fighting and dying for this sideshow.
Especially when it's becoming increasingly common knowledge that corrupt politicians and companies in the west are still supplying Russia with essential electronics, ball bearings and optics.
>We won't know for sure until someone hacks the Russian ministry of defense in a decade
It's funny that you think anyone on the Russian side has a clue about accurate casualty numbers
The Ukrainians lost 10x what the Russians lost. Ukie simping is retarded.
Now zoom out the map.
As long as the Park stands the posting of Cots will continue.
Maybe it's a dumb question, but if the flanks are weak, why don't the Ukrainians use the full leverage of these fresh "counter offensive" units to encircle wagner in Bakhmut?
Because in the large scale of things, whether Wagner exists or not has zero bearing on the outcome of the war. Ukraine is better off using that counteroffensive strength to strike somewhere that makes Russia's hold on more strategically important areas untenable.
Makes sense I guess. I thought that with these units and the weak flanks it would have been a piece of cake to get rid of wagner in Bakhmut so that these units could be still used later on for other operations (I don't know shit about warfare so that's probably wrong).
Bakhmut was always supposed to be a sinkhole for Russian resources and those local counterattacks serve this purpose. Priggy has the ability to bitch and moan for more ammo while posing in front of mercenary corpses, something mobiks and regulars can't do. It's very likely Wagner has been on top of Russian priority list for ammunition distribution and if they are bitching about low supplies then imagine how shell starved the average DPR or mobik unit is
The Ukies could probably use some offensive guard brigades to roll Bakhmut flanks completely, but honestly the continuous existence of Wagner is detrimental to Russian defensive efforts
>The defence of the city is nearly coming to an end
>The defenders of Mariupol have accomplished their mission
Can't wait for the next cope. Chasiv Yar, maybe?
Chasiv Yar by 2024
The world gasps in awe at the pace of Russian advances
>The defence of the city is nearly coming to an end
What does this really mean though? That the offensive has actually finally begun? Or that they actually have all of Bakhmut back? The fuck is going on anymore
It means the last defensible areas in Bakhmut are about to be taken/abandoned. Thus the fighting in the city will come to an end, but the battle around Bakhmut itself will be far from over.
Most of the city was already taken weeks ago though? It's been just the west part of the city and thats it.
I like how you guys will name a secondary settlement/village next to Bakhmut a "fortress", but the Bakhmut itself isnt a fortress and who cares if they lose it
>can't perceive irony
Russia has also completely lost on the humor front, their idea of funny is some beheading video on Telegram.
Arent you guys the ones posting some drone gore footage on here daily
Bakhmut is only a "fortress" because you guys have been working on it for almost a year. It's small city at the bottom of a valley.
I think that depends on how fortified a city actually is. Mariupol is many times larger, but it was taken with much more ease as it was not as fortified since they did not expect what happened
Mariupol was completely surrounded with no resupply. Not a comparable situation.
There's no sense arguing. Wait a few days and see what happens in Bakhmut. Speculations about who's advances are better is just useless
vatniks in this thread still assblasted about not taking a fucking town next to the border more than a year into the war
The ass is in the ass. You see, everyone knows everything anyway, so why bother?
where does the
>ass in the ass
meme come from.
Russian is, apparently a very idiomatic language.
They like to throw around a lot of thieves cant, some of which relates to asses.
Looks like you really triggered them with laughing forehead chan
> begs RU not to abandon flanks
> RU abandooooons them anyway
What did he mean by this?
When this is all over, people are going to remember Bakhmut as the stupidest, most pointless waste of life in this entire war full of stupid, life wasting battles, aren't they?
>here's to you, Priggy et al.
>rest forever here in our hearts
>the last and final mobnik is yours
>that bakhmoooting is your triumph
In Kiev's realm, amid strife's cruel demand,
Ukrainians guarded their banana hoard, grand.
Through fires of war, their spirits unbowed,
Resisting Putin's grasp, their treasure proud.
Defying Monkey King and his hordes so vast,
They shielded their fruit, resilient and steadfast.
In the face of turmoil, their unity held strong,
Banana hoard concealed, against all wrong.
Through perilous nights and battles fought,
Their spirit unwavering, lessons taught.
Their cunning and courage, a shield they wore,
Bananas remained safe, Putin's plan no more.
In Kiev's embrace, their victory proclaimed,
Banana hoard protected, hearts unchained.
Ukrainians triumphed, a resolute band,
Defending their treasure, in their homeland.