I don’t think they’ve been able to total destroy the logistics network. Strain it for sure, but I don’t think Russia would be sending meatwaves if they were not able to get more supplies
>but I don’t think Russia would be sending meatwaves if they were not able to get more supplies
That's called a "spoiling attack"; it's when you know that your enemy is assembling for an offensive, so you attack their assembly areas with harassing assaults in order to disorganize their forces.
This is entirely when I hear those homosexuals go "zApoRiZhIa cOuNtErOfFeNsIvE hAs aLrEaDy fAiLeD" I know they're coping. Literally on the first day of the Kherson offensive, they were proclaiming it was a dramatic failure. Even up to the day before the Russians capitulated, nothing but "hurr, kHeRsOn fAiLeD bRo".
You homosexuals said the exact same tired shit the last time. The offensive stalled. It's going slow. The Ukrainians took 6 million casualties etc etc. right up untill the Russians ran away.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ukraine isn't winning at all
11 months ago
Anonymous
This, Russia will never retreat from Kherson! Ukraine is losing thousands of men and hundreds of vehicles a day on the formidable Russian defenses. Soon HATO support will run out when Europe freezes to death in the Wunbter!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Kherson
Russia is like what, 3km away from kherson? Why is your barely functional troon brain stuck at this half-assed ''victory'' from one year ago
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I-IT WASNT ACTUALLY A VICTORY >WE DIDNT WANT IT ANYWAY
cope, it says more about Russia that they couldn't have gone farther than 3km from their starting line lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
>half-assed
so half of the city kherson still belongs to russia right? because if russia fully retreated then that wouldn't be half-assed at all, that would just be russia losing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> Russia is like what, 3km away from kherson? >2nd army in the world can’t hold onto land 3km from their borders
That’s just sad
11 months ago
Anonymous
>half assed "victory" >loses the entire frontline and 4800+ km2 including the only regional capital they snatched
How do you do it? Living in the fantasy world and all that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>How do you do it?
You're interacting with a propagandist, or somebody moronic enough to believe the endless stream of obvious lies spewed by Russian state media.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
What the frick happened to this guy? I remember /chug/ hyping him up for weeks
11 months ago
Anonymous
He was sacked and moved to irrelevant position. His triumvirate with Kadyrov and Prigozhin been forcefully deposed and now Prigozhin is a sole rat in the corner against the whole Shoigu-Gerasimov clique.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It seems like he was set-up to be the fall guy if the Kherson withdrawal went to shit. Shoigu made him do a video of a more-or-less scripted briefing in which he proposed withdrawal to the left bank of the Dnipro to "save, most importantly, the lives of our troops and the overall combat effectiveness of our troops". Shoigu gives a half-hearted blessing off of his proposal. The video is question is clearly meant as a "pass the buck" if something had gone wrong.
But Surovikin successfully pulled back most Russian troops intact, and then proceeded to get sidelined as Gerasimov took direct command.
11 months ago
Anonymous
хopoший цapь, плoхиe бoяpe!*~~*~~)
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah yeah and Kherson is forever russian but they actually didn't want it and so on and so forth.
Do you homosexuals just don't realise how moronic you sound when you repeat yourselves constantly? We have all heard the same arguments, the same screenshots of clickbait articles.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>don't actually read the articles
This is why headlines are a mistake. The article on the left is stating that Putin is worried about a counter-offensive because it goes against the narrative that Russia is winning. How is Russia being forced on the defensive? The article on the right is stating that expecting massive gains and stuff is a foolish expectation and that the nations that are providing aid to Ukraine need to make sure that the weaker nations in terms of donations or commitment to total victory don't go 'Look they're not doing it fast enough! We should just stop!'.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>don't actually read the articles
Of course they don’t. Ziggers can’t read.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This is why headlines are a mistake
Those are successful clickbait headlines. They even spawned a meme.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What is non-linear graph.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Ukraine already took back more territory in the first week of the counteroffensive than Russia did in the last 10 months. Considering Russia's metric of victory over Bakhmut, this means Ukraine is winning pretty handily, right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
These homosexuals will NEVER use their own logic lmao. >Russia slowly taking territory
"This is a genius strategy, they are being cautious etc etc" >Ukraine slowly taking territory
"Ukraine is losing, and has in fact already lost a year ago"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bakhmut is strategically important, unlike whatever empty wheatfields ukrops stormed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no it's not, but they made it culturally important for vatBlack folk by focusing what was left of their offensive power in that direction, even though their dreams of a cauldron from bahkmut and izium were ruined, therefore it was completely pointless and just attrited russian forces for no reason. ukraine. ukraine has bled far less for far less time, and gotten more ground lmao.
11 months ago
Anonymous
it's so strategically important its capture has had no short-term or long-term benefits for the russians
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Bakhmut is strategically important
*was, untill they retook Lyman
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Bakhmut is strategically important
Which is why Russia hasn't managed to move past the city limits. >unlike whatever empty wheatfields ukrops stormed.
Which is why they're the most heavily mine and fortified area in the world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Based on the rate of land being taken in your graph, it would be summer of 2027 for pre 2014 borders… that’s assuming the continued ramping up of western support doesn’t accelerate Russia’s catastrophic loss… ATCAMS, Abrams, F-16s… Ukraine is going from “soon to be demilitarized,” to “most powerful army in Europe,” status pretty quickly
Nobody should take WarMonitor seriously
He's almost as bad as the likes of Zoka, but for the other side
You don't unironically believe what Zoka and his ilk says, do you?
India literally made a road for a remote village by putting a carpet on the floor and covering it in a thin layer of tarmac. The village literally could pick the road up.
>noooo the russians can't set up a temporary bridge while they're repairing the main bridge they're supposed to just give up
lol. turns out the russians don't give a frick what randos on a ukrainian fellatio board think.
You vatnik shill morons kept harping on and on about how the bridge was fine and they'd be able to fix it in a day. Now they're pontooning while the bridge remains distinctly unfixed. What happened? Did you subhumans, by any chance, lie again?
Pajeets would still use the bridge without doing any repairs and after it collapsed they would lay two sticks across the gap and still try to drive over it.
The hole weakens the overall structure. Troops and cars can go over the bridge but a tank or even a ifv would be too heavy and collapse the bridge. Especial with ukrainan engineering. At the start of the war there was a bridge that theoretically could support a tanks weight, the moment a russian tank went on it it collapsed. Most ukrainan bridges are either soviet crap ir built in an era of corruption.
Most concrete bridges are tensioned, which increases it's strength. If any of the tensioning members are damaged, the load capacity of the bridge is significantly reduced.
>Ukraine launched offensive along broad front >Russia publishes videos showing heavy losses >Russia blows up a damn to slow the offensive >Ukraine makes marginal gains at apparently heavy cost >Massive strikes into bridges and other infrastructure in Russian backlines
YOU ARE HERE >Russia retreats 15-25km to "more defensible positions" >another month of heavy fighting and strikes with limited territorial gain >panic levels crater to absolute nothingness >Russia vacates the area of operations in a "gesture of goodwill"
The bridge is like 100m across. Ukies would be shooting at it from +100km away. Plus the turn-around time on any intel. They're not going to snipe a truck full of explosives on it.
The pontoon is just a stopgap at best, especially since it's not directly connected to the existing road network so only offroad vehicles can really use it, and there's serious speed limits driving across it. It definitely is not going to be seeing the same traffic volume of one of the original bridges, much less two. Even when the Russians had a working pontoon bridge at Kherson, they were still heavily reliant on ferries.
Can someone give me a QRD on the last month of the war? I follow it casually but since the counter offensive has started the amount of seemingly reliable information is hard to come by. What's going on w the bridge? Wagner coup? Something about radiation and NATO retaliation? Can any kind anon spare me the pain of wading through shitloads of propaganda and copium and just give it to me straight?
1. Ukies launched deliberate attacks southwards towards Tokmak and Mariupol with elements of ~2-3 western-equipped brigades.
2. Slow going and some ukrainian vehicle losses are causing vatniks to ape out and declare the whole offensive a total failure. While they continue to lose ground and get their own counterattack attempts BTFO'd.
3. Ukies start using Storm Shadow and MALD, blow a big ammo dump/railhead supplying most of Zapo oblast and a bunchf of other shit.
4. Ukies then blow up some of the bridges linking Crimea to the mainland, further fricking up russia logistics. Shills are in full damage control mode.
5. And now Prighozin seems to be chimping out and trying to full-on coup the russian MoD as tension between him and Shoigu are boiling over.
Ukraine needs to strike while Russian logistics are off balance
It's time for part 2 of the counteroffensive tbh
I don’t think they’ve been able to total destroy the logistics network. Strain it for sure, but I don’t think Russia would be sending meatwaves if they were not able to get more supplies
They are sending meat waves because they did not have enough hardware.
Right, because logistics are binary. So long as a single truck gets through your supply bar can still replenish.
>but I don’t think Russia would be sending meatwaves if they were not able to get more supplies
That's called a "spoiling attack"; it's when you know that your enemy is assembling for an offensive, so you attack their assembly areas with harassing assaults in order to disorganize their forces.
Yes, send in another wave to be slaughtered
This is entirely when I hear those homosexuals go "zApoRiZhIa cOuNtErOfFeNsIvE hAs aLrEaDy fAiLeD" I know they're coping. Literally on the first day of the Kherson offensive, they were proclaiming it was a dramatic failure. Even up to the day before the Russians capitulated, nothing but "hurr, kHeRsOn fAiLeD bRo".
The premature proclamations are bullshit.
It actually feels like I travelled back in time reading some of these posts lol
Good thing I kept all the best Kherson memes, perfect opportunity to recycle them.
Post them anon, I need them for my collection.
Do you specifically have some where rusnigs were being smug about kherson?
ask nicely on
>/uhg/, anon will have a full collection.
Summer has only just begun friend.
Now go back to mixing that cement
With this speed you might make it by summer 2050
>Ukraine isn't winning fast enough!!!!
You homosexuals said the exact same tired shit the last time. The offensive stalled. It's going slow. The Ukrainians took 6 million casualties etc etc. right up untill the Russians ran away.
Ukraine isn't winning at all
This, Russia will never retreat from Kherson! Ukraine is losing thousands of men and hundreds of vehicles a day on the formidable Russian defenses. Soon HATO support will run out when Europe freezes to death in the Wunbter!
>Kherson
Russia is like what, 3km away from kherson? Why is your barely functional troon brain stuck at this half-assed ''victory'' from one year ago
>I-IT WASNT ACTUALLY A VICTORY
>WE DIDNT WANT IT ANYWAY
cope, it says more about Russia that they couldn't have gone farther than 3km from their starting line lol
>half-assed
so half of the city kherson still belongs to russia right? because if russia fully retreated then that wouldn't be half-assed at all, that would just be russia losing.
> Russia is like what, 3km away from kherson?
>2nd army in the world can’t hold onto land 3km from their borders
That’s just sad
>half assed "victory"
>loses the entire frontline and 4800+ km2 including the only regional capital they snatched
How do you do it? Living in the fantasy world and all that?
>How do you do it?
You're interacting with a propagandist, or somebody moronic enough to believe the endless stream of obvious lies spewed by Russian state media.
What the frick happened to this guy? I remember /chug/ hyping him up for weeks
He was sacked and moved to irrelevant position. His triumvirate with Kadyrov and Prigozhin been forcefully deposed and now Prigozhin is a sole rat in the corner against the whole Shoigu-Gerasimov clique.
It seems like he was set-up to be the fall guy if the Kherson withdrawal went to shit. Shoigu made him do a video of a more-or-less scripted briefing in which he proposed withdrawal to the left bank of the Dnipro to "save, most importantly, the lives of our troops and the overall combat effectiveness of our troops". Shoigu gives a half-hearted blessing off of his proposal. The video is question is clearly meant as a "pass the buck" if something had gone wrong.
But Surovikin successfully pulled back most Russian troops intact, and then proceeded to get sidelined as Gerasimov took direct command.
хopoший цapь, плoхиe бoяpe!*~~*~~)
Yeah yeah and Kherson is forever russian but they actually didn't want it and so on and so forth.
Do you homosexuals just don't realise how moronic you sound when you repeat yourselves constantly? We have all heard the same arguments, the same screenshots of clickbait articles.
>don't actually read the articles
This is why headlines are a mistake. The article on the left is stating that Putin is worried about a counter-offensive because it goes against the narrative that Russia is winning. How is Russia being forced on the defensive? The article on the right is stating that expecting massive gains and stuff is a foolish expectation and that the nations that are providing aid to Ukraine need to make sure that the weaker nations in terms of donations or commitment to total victory don't go 'Look they're not doing it fast enough! We should just stop!'.
>don't actually read the articles
Of course they don’t. Ziggers can’t read.
>This is why headlines are a mistake
Those are successful clickbait headlines. They even spawned a meme.
>What is non-linear graph.
But Ukraine already took back more territory in the first week of the counteroffensive than Russia did in the last 10 months. Considering Russia's metric of victory over Bakhmut, this means Ukraine is winning pretty handily, right?
These homosexuals will NEVER use their own logic lmao.
>Russia slowly taking territory
"This is a genius strategy, they are being cautious etc etc"
>Ukraine slowly taking territory
"Ukraine is losing, and has in fact already lost a year ago"
Bakhmut is strategically important, unlike whatever empty wheatfields ukrops stormed.
no it's not, but they made it culturally important for vatBlack folk by focusing what was left of their offensive power in that direction, even though their dreams of a cauldron from bahkmut and izium were ruined, therefore it was completely pointless and just attrited russian forces for no reason. ukraine. ukraine has bled far less for far less time, and gotten more ground lmao.
it's so strategically important its capture has had no short-term or long-term benefits for the russians
>Bakhmut is strategically important
*was, untill they retook Lyman
>Bakhmut is strategically important
Which is why Russia hasn't managed to move past the city limits.
>unlike whatever empty wheatfields ukrops stormed.
Which is why they're the most heavily mine and fortified area in the world.
Based on the rate of land being taken in your graph, it would be summer of 2027 for pre 2014 borders… that’s assuming the continued ramping up of western support doesn’t accelerate Russia’s catastrophic loss… ATCAMS, Abrams, F-16s… Ukraine is going from “soon to be demilitarized,” to “most powerful army in Europe,” status pretty quickly
>Advances by Ukraine
unbelievable happening...
Nobody should take WarMonitor seriously
He's almost as bad as the likes of Zoka, but for the other side
You don't unironically believe what Zoka and his ilk says, do you?
Sex?
Bomb it again lmao
Russians can't shoot down 20 year old western rockets so it's a turkey shoot
they cant, the suicide bombers dead
>so it's a turkey shoot
it's called turkiye you cumskin
>Time is a flat circle
Weren't thirdies claiming that Puccia could still use the bridge itself? Pajeets on suicide watch.
Yes, they did.
>just fill it up with rocks and cement bro!
Pajeets don't know shit about concrete mix design, do they...
India literally made a road for a remote village by putting a carpet on the floor and covering it in a thin layer of tarmac. The village literally could pick the road up.
Could they drive over it though?
I get the feeling that they saw a youtube video explaining the concept of geogrid sheets, and decided to do their own bastardized pajeet version
>noooo the russians can't set up a temporary bridge while they're repairing the main bridge they're supposed to just give up
lol. turns out the russians don't give a frick what randos on a ukrainian fellatio board think.
You vatnik shill morons kept harping on and on about how the bridge was fine and they'd be able to fix it in a day. Now they're pontooning while the bridge remains distinctly unfixed. What happened? Did you subhumans, by any chance, lie again?
Pajeets would still use the bridge without doing any repairs and after it collapsed they would lay two sticks across the gap and still try to drive over it.
>Russians are pontooooooning next to the blown up Crimean bridges
do they never learn? don't answer
Using Storm Shadow for striking pontoon bridges every day is probably not worth the cost.
the train bridge is the vital one
wait. wasn't the bridge usable? and even if it wasn't, weren't they going to fix it in a day?
>wasn't the bridge usable?
there's a giant hole
couldn't you just throw some two by fours on it
a 450 kg bomb exploded on it, do you really want to drive heavy trucks over it?
I seriously doubt that Putin or Shoigu would be the ones driving.
The hole isn't the major problem, the trouble is that the main charge seriously fricked up a pillar as well and it's now structurally fricked.
it was a soviet bridge, it was structurally fricked before it was hit. now it's just differently structurally fricked.
That's not typical, there are plenty of bridges without holes.
i thought they just made a hole in the bridge but it looked usable enough?
one line has a giant hole and the bridge could collapse at that spot any time
The hole weakens the overall structure. Troops and cars can go over the bridge but a tank or even a ifv would be too heavy and collapse the bridge. Especial with ukrainan engineering. At the start of the war there was a bridge that theoretically could support a tanks weight, the moment a russian tank went on it it collapsed. Most ukrainan bridges are either soviet crap ir built in an era of corruption.
oh got it, makes sense. thanks for explanation anon
If you look at the pics it clearly hit the support too. The bridges are far more damaged than a patch job or even a span replacement.
Most concrete bridges are tensioned, which increases it's strength. If any of the tensioning members are damaged, the load capacity of the bridge is significantly reduced.
that thing will collapse due to the heavy equipment they're bringing across
This is kherson all over again
in what sense
>Ukraine launched offensive along broad front
>Russia publishes videos showing heavy losses
>Russia blows up a damn to slow the offensive
>Ukraine makes marginal gains at apparently heavy cost
>Massive strikes into bridges and other infrastructure in Russian backlines
YOU ARE HERE
>Russia retreats 15-25km to "more defensible positions"
>another month of heavy fighting and strikes with limited territorial gain
>panic levels crater to absolute nothingness
>Russia vacates the area of operations in a "gesture of goodwill"
This doesn't make sense, pro-Russia social media users assured everyone it was only a small repairable hole.
it repaired now with floater bridge *~~*~~*~~
Impressive they have the pontoon up this quickly. Would seem to fully return their logistics to normal. Credit where credit is due.
Guess that means it's time to hit it again.
A missile for a pontoon section that can be replaced in a few hours seems like a poor trade.
That’s why you wait until it’s being used
The bridge is like 100m across. Ukies would be shooting at it from +100km away. Plus the turn-around time on any intel. They're not going to snipe a truck full of explosives on it.
What if Russia is really stupid and parks an entire ammo convoy on the pontoons for hours? Would that help?
... See, I want to tell you that's silly and would never happen, but I really do have to acknowledge this scenario is plausible...
The pontoon is just a stopgap at best, especially since it's not directly connected to the existing road network so only offroad vehicles can really use it, and there's serious speed limits driving across it. It definitely is not going to be seeing the same traffic volume of one of the original bridges, much less two. Even when the Russians had a working pontoon bridge at Kherson, they were still heavily reliant on ferries.
It's a short crossing, and it doesn't seem it was that busy anyway. Civilian cars can be banned / made to reroute if they're slowing things down.
/k/eddit children don't have a clue how war is conducted.
>just waste resources to take this city right at your doorstep that ukraine will eventually secede when they unconditionally surrender
>ukraine
>unconditionally surrender
Ivan, this war is not going how you think it is.
Ukraine doesn't have much time left, sooner or later it'll happen
I can't tell if this post is ironic, or peak vatBlack person denial.
Yea yea and europe will freeze in the winter and the eyebrow will be raised and everyone will know
boris johnsons will run out, eventually, and then who will finance the Kiev junta? it's over piggies
Ok thirdie
I've been hearing this same moronation for 15 months, which is coming first, the heat death of the universe or Ukraine surrendering?
>ukraine will eventually secede
freudian slip or just esl
IM PONTOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNING
REGIONAL POWER
Xaxaxaxa hohols are just taking empty fields with no value*~~*~~), our bridges being destroyed? No problem we fill them up with our semen*~~*~~))
>we fill them up with our semen*~~*~~))
But anon! That would leave nothing for the Serbs!
Even serbroaches have been secretly arming Ukraine, poccians have no allies
Can someone give me a QRD on the last month of the war? I follow it casually but since the counter offensive has started the amount of seemingly reliable information is hard to come by. What's going on w the bridge? Wagner coup? Something about radiation and NATO retaliation? Can any kind anon spare me the pain of wading through shitloads of propaganda and copium and just give it to me straight?
1. Ukies launched deliberate attacks southwards towards Tokmak and Mariupol with elements of ~2-3 western-equipped brigades.
2. Slow going and some ukrainian vehicle losses are causing vatniks to ape out and declare the whole offensive a total failure. While they continue to lose ground and get their own counterattack attempts BTFO'd.
3. Ukies start using Storm Shadow and MALD, blow a big ammo dump/railhead supplying most of Zapo oblast and a bunchf of other shit.
4. Ukies then blow up some of the bridges linking Crimea to the mainland, further fricking up russia logistics. Shills are in full damage control mode.
5. And now Prighozin seems to be chimping out and trying to full-on coup the russian MoD as tension between him and Shoigu are boiling over.
Thank you anon
didn't this happen around the same time last year? am I going senile?
History repeats itself, sometimes more rapidly than expected
what is old will be new again