>Russian soldiers don't even have body armour and their morale is at rock bottom
>Russian artrillery is running out of rockets
>Russian logistics is not working at all and they can barely get food and fuel to the frontlines
>Russian generals are entirely incompetent, delusional and make all the wrong decisions
I mean, I get it that Russia is in a terrible shape. But I'm a bit worried about this narrative on /k/. If the Russian army was as disfunctional as /k/ claims it to be, you would think Ukraine would just celebrate one easy victory after another, but the truth is that the frontline sees intensive combat every day. The Russian army does not just fold over as it would if it had zero logistics and all soldiers were only wearing paintball equipment. They ARE shooting back. Their guns and tanks may be shitty cold war stuff, but a gun is still a gun and a tank is still a tank. They also still have rockets. Ukranian air defence is getting better, but even the massive NATO arsenals are slowly but surely getting emptier. I'm not saying they will run out next wednesday, but the western nations do not focus their economy on producing artrillery shells or air defence rockets. NATO's pockets are deep, but not inifinite.
And yes, Russian mobilized civlians were often sent to the front with barely a week of training and subpar equipment to stall Ukranian counter offences, but it would be a grave mistake to think that tens of thousands of them are not also training in Russia and Belarus to enter the war next year as (more or less) properly trained soldiers. I know, we have all seen the conditions of Russian recruitment camps, but don't let the echo chamber of /k/ fool you into thinking Russia will be unable to many of these recruits into soldiers of (for Russia) acceptable combat power.
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I'm not saying Russia is winning the war. They will probably lose. But it isn't exactly a cakewalk for Ukraine either, and the longer the war goes on the more rises the possibility (possibility, not neccessity) that Western support of Ukraine dwindles. Reading /k/ one would imagine Russia is entirely incapable of doing harm to Ukraine. But that is not the case. This is still a war, and Russia can potentially win it.
There's no way in hell the MIC will let the weapons stop, not when they've got an opportunity like this and glowies backing up their arguments.
The MIC isn't going to have a choice. I'm working on Ft. Hood, we're in deep shit. Everything is falling apart fast and they're digging into long abandoned storage to send rusted and rotten shit out as fast as they can load it up on planes and trains without even looking at it. Training on Ft. Hood has virtually stopped and is being exempted due to lack of ammunition. No artillery, no parts for many critical things and nobody can get anything replaced. A trip to the Quartermaster is a journey of pain. I see it up close every day I'm at work. I talk with the many active duty I personally know, it's worse than even I see. The arrogant frickheads in the mothrrship at CFR massively fricked up and miscalculated. It's about to be obvious what the consequences are. They'll be so bad that there is no hiding it. See ya around kid.
3rd Cav uses a lot of Patriot missiles, huh?
That's not the only thing here numbnuts. And they use a lot of artillery you know nothing b***h faced wienersucking cum fletching homosexual troony frickweed.
American Logistics are FAR superior to Russian Logistics. Dumb Vatniks don't even have pallets.
This isn't a normal healthy human reaction anon.
What I replied to wasn't worthy of a human response. You never treat such pathetic vermin with any humanity or mercy. Mercy to the undeserving is what's placed the world in such an unfortunate state of affairs.
Nice larp Gurdeep, very convincing.
>There is no panic
trench warfare is fricking slow and its winter in Ukraine.
The US has more industrial capacity than Russia. The vatniks are buying from North Korea, meanwhile we're buying up soviet bloc supplies from our allies to send to Ukraine, then sending them our 2000s level gear.
>and its winter in Ukraine.
worse, it's been mild enough that they're still in mud season
the ground is forecast to freeze properly in the eastern direction in about two more weeks (lol) i think
It's winter in Ukraine........
And Ukraine HAS the winter clothing. Russia doesn't, lol. It's somehow managed to misplace a frickton of it due to corruption.
Lot of Russian troops have simply frozen to death.
>Lot of Russian troops have simply frozen to death.
Is this based on deduction or based on actual sources?
Russians can't even keep their own people warm back at HOME.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deaths-back-home-leave-russians-094945515.html
>vatniks are buying from North Korea
I too can make shit up anon.
It isnt an echo chamber, /k/ is pretty much always right on these things, be it with reddit tourists or not. Time will show you /k/ was right.
If /k/ was 100% right the war would be won yesterday. But /k/ is only mostly right.
I'm just urging people to be more cautious with their enthusiasm.
And yes, /k/ is an echo chamber to some degree. (Just like almost every other board on PrepHole, and really most online communities, be it intentional or otherwise.)
>If /k/ was 100% right the war would be won yesterday
most everyone was expecting a russian victory until the third day
I'm not talking about opinions at the beginning of the war or before the invasion, I'm talking about the current attitude on /k/.
>If /k/ was 100% right
He specifically did NOT say that.
/K/ never claimed it will be over for russians in merely 14 more days, and you know it. The general consensus is it will be a long war and the longer it takes, the more difficult it will be for the russians and so far, it seems to be working that way.
> If /k/ was 100% right the war would be won yesterday.
Coming from the losers who kept saying “two more weeks!!1!11,” I’d say they’re closer to the truth than you are.
>I'm just urging people to be more cautious with their enthusiasm.
No, you’re a pathetic vatnik desperate to make russia look even remotely competent by concern trolling. It’s not working.
Back to shitting the bed and watching your favorite LARP army die, homosexual.
Okay, let's talk about russian strengths then:
1. Numbers. russia is a large country, its population is at least 3x of that of Ukraine, and it is one of the richest in the world, despite the low living conditions of the population, due to years of receiving extremely high profits from oil and gas sales. Corruption evens the sides a little, but russia is still richer than Ukraine and has more people.
2. Weapons. Despite Western aid, Ukraine runs mostly on Soviet hardware, and has very few domestically produced types of weapons. russia has a world class MIC that is currently third after US and UK by sales volume. russia can produce their own ammo and rockets in bulk, Ukraine is entirely reliant on other states for that. Even so, the sides have a rough parity now.
3. Political will. russia is an authoritarian state with a mighty propaganda machine. It will not be dissuaded by losses among its troops, and the war, being the product of voices in the head of a single man, will continue until either this man croaks, or russia becomes fundamentally incapable of continuing it by throwing more men and equipment (and as I said it has plenty of both).
As you can see, after we count all the disadvantages russia has, it is still roughly tied with Ukraine, not inferior to it. Ukrainian victory will not be quick or bloodless, but I still believe Ukies will ultimately prevail, mostly due to morale advantage, clear goals and fighting on home soil being the tie breaking factors.
>russian
>strengths
Don’t make us laugh anon. Russias population are DYELs with HIV and krokodil addictions. Women prostitute themselves out for any remote chance to leave and the men drink themselves to death.
The country has hardly any production or manufacturing capabilities that aren’t the better side of a century old and what it does produce is internationally lauded as low quality shit, including it’s weapon industry.
Russia at this point in time solely exists for the collective west to watch and laugh and be entertained by the daily cycle of dead vatnik webms.
moron. Underestimating the enemy is what lost russia this war, and now you're aching to make the same mistake.
I'm as pro-Ukrainian as one gets, and I still try to not overdose on hopium. Even Ukies themselves respect certain strengths, qualities and decisions of their foes.
>now you're aching to make the same mistake.
>hurr durr youll be sorry in the future!
There’s no mistake to make. Russia was always just a big, bad joke of a bluff and most people guessed as much. Now they’ve just proven in to the rest of the world in Ukraine and blown their wad.
While you are correct with these, Russia's wealth is limited by western sanctions. They do have the ability to produce ammunition, but a lot of their production, especially for more modern equipment, relies on import.
>/K/ never claimed it will be over for russians in merely 14 more days, and you know it.
Yes, and I never said they did. But the general attitude on /k/ suggests that Russian tanks are all falling apart by looking at them, Russian conscripts are sent to the front naked, and that the Russian defensive lines are made of paper mache. If that were the case, the war would be already over, but it isn't.
Again: Ukraine is probably going to win this war, and I am all for it. If there was a button that blew up Russia I would press it twice. I genuinely do not see which part of my posts makes you think I am a vatBlack person.
>and it is one of the richest in the world
That's cool, now what can pussia buy with those riches? A few more rockets and basic drones from Iran won't change shit (even more so cause they will be wasted on a fruitless attempt at terrorising civilians instead of hitting military targets).
If only Russian Logistics counted for shit, lol.
Target the trains already.
FYI to everyone here: the UA army is accepting donations, and you can find plenty of various units asking for donations on social media.
The russians are doing the same thing from what ive seen, one unit was even speaking Chinese despite being all Russian
Memes aside, Russia is a massive country with considerable industrial capability. They can sustain some level of missile, artillery and ammo production.
A good chunk is probably propaganda and/or wishful thinking.
Both has a good reason to exist because it boosts morale of Ukranians and their supporters while it of course sometimes strays off the mark.
It's also not only about Ukraine, but people trying to enforce the point that Russians are barely humans which is meant to potentially prepare the audience for a war against them.
The people making those posts are probably a wild mixture, but of course all information during war has to be taken with some degree of salt.
russian culture of heroic sacrifice and stoicism is a morbid cancer. There are still good people here, surprisingly, but in spite of this culture, not because of it. People are taught from childhood to disregard love for themselves, and this prepares them to disregard love for anything else altogether.
t. russian
Stay save fren. Best of luck to you and your loved ones.
>you would think Ukraine would just celebrate one easy victory after another,
Why would you? A strawman or military ignorance?
Human waves don't work on the offense. They do work on the defense. Ukraine will struggle to reconquer its lost land without combined arms and the West is only giving it artillery and missiles.
Russia has numbers, and unfortunately it still has some production intact.
It's going to be able to fight for a while longer. The key is negating its advantages.
>Russian soldiers don't even have body armour and their morale is at rock bottom
>Russian artrillery is running out of rockets
>Russian logistics is not working at all and they can barely get food and fuel to the frontlines
>Russian generals are entirely incompetent, delusional and make all the wrong decisions
What’s crazy is that these are the exact headlines that the media was putting out 10 months ago
Well they HAVE been pushed back in spite of numerical superiority, multiple times. Fought to a standstill for a good while at both Mariupol and Severodonetsk.
Yesterday I watched some russian propaganda, and in their world, the war is going extremely well. Happy smiling soldiers speak on camera how they inflict defeat after defeat on banderite nazis and will take Washington if ordered to. Occupied cities are being rebuilt to be much better than under reign of Zelensky's junta. Domestic production is increasing by the day, cows are happy to give milk for the Motherland, dogs are barking in anticipation of victory, families of mobilized men receive food aid and get free college admissions...
Such is the beautiful world outside of /k/'s echochamber.
Let's get serious here.
Russians appear to be preparing a Winter Offensive.
Have their new forces had even remotely sufficient training for such a thing? Supposedly they're just going to throw them at Ukrainians in human wave attacks.
Ukraine will drag on as long as Soros can push it and as long as Putin needs to clean house domestically. This war has put Putin's domestic enemies on their ass because the west is far too stupid to target their sanctions and other bullshit in such a way that it hurts only the Putin machine. Putin and his people predicted this mindless clumsiness by the west, they long ago moved and hedged their assets accordingly. That only left the "out" crowd in Russia in the bitter cold. That's why Putin is dragging this out. It's also exposing who in the Russian military and military industries has been bullshitting. It's doing the same to the West, and quickly knocking down our sandcastles. It's most dangerously exposing the weakness of our military force projection which is one of the three key pillars of the petrodollar. 2023 is the year where we find out after all of this fricking around.
It's genuinely hard to tell what is trolling and what is actual zigger posting by those who were oxygen deprived at birth at this point.
Easy to tell you're a globohomosexual wienersucking b***h shill that still has the stain on your nose from licking the back of Soros' ballsack. You got anything resembling a counter argument? That way we can all laugh and shame you as there's no way whatever you got wouldn't be pure comedy cringe.
Thanks I can tell now. I hope the antipsychotics kick in soon xx
>ps im in ur walls scratching at night
>That way we can all laugh and shame you
God you're pathetic and cringe. Work out your bullying fantasies that presumably stem from being bullied yourself in school somewhere else. You don't belong. You'll never belong here.
Contrary to popular belief numerical superiority does make a difference and only the most moronic morons will assume that Russians will zerg rush as seen in call of duty without equipment because "lol, it's just Russians".
Even with much worse morale they can try to maintain a level of pressure that Ukrainians physically can't, because eventually people have to sleep and with numerical advantage you just swap out the tired soldiers for fresh ones and keep at it.
Of course that assumes that organization on Russian side is not wrecked by seemingly random explosions that wipe out entire squads. That also assumes they manage to move troops and equipment to and from the front lines.
As long as their logistics are patchy they will continue to have a bad time. If Ukraine manages to disrupt Russian logistics they will bleed because a couple hundred thousand soldiers need a lot of things.
Somewhere along a similar angle were the Russian attacks on the power grid. I assume the primary goal was not fricking with the civilian population, but it's a tolerated, or even welcome side effect. Lots of military machines need power and they're probably all hooked up to the power grid. Disabling the power grid forces the Ukrainians to use portable generators which in turn increases their logistics footprint fir gas etc. which makes them more vulnerable for attacks on the logistics.
Rational Armies tend to be careful. Doing one counterattack after the other would result in what Russia is currently experiencing in Bakhmut but for Ukraine.
Is there a reason why you make the exact same concern trolling thread every day, complete with ESL writing mistakes?
This is the first time in quite a while I have made a thread on /k/. Which parts do you think are trolling?
>Russia is losing territory it already controlled when the war started.
>Russia captured one major strategic asset (mariupol sea port) by destroying it completely and killing 50-70,000 civilians
>Russia's attrition rate is conservatively 5 times that of Ukraine
>Russia can only buy modern munitions from more advanced countries like Iran
>Ukraine does not have the strategic capacity to defend and administrate more territory than it has already liberated
IDK, if the game was called now, looks like a fat L to me.
In Russia's favour a lot of their casualties are people they don't care about at all: ethnic minorities, Donbabweans, convicts, mercenaries. Whereas all casualties hurt Ukraine.
However, we can exploit this by encouraging unrest in those regions.
All the Russians have to do is point out that siding with us on any level will have their women and homosexual trannies all uppity and their children cutting off their sons wiener and balls with their girl's rendered into zipper breasts. Then they'll fight like hell to support the Russians and to have us knocked back. A quick analysis of the question "are we the bad guys?" yields the terrible answer.
Have you ever thought about the idea that your views on the world and reality do not match? That the things you describe here are not wide scale problems of the western world?
>Russians are dogshit subhumans
>Ukranians are dogshit subhumans with US support
>Wahhhhhhhh why isn't the war over yet
Welcome to the new forever war, except this time it's going really really fricking well for the US people.