What should the strategy of these guys be if they want to do actual damage to the Russian state? Budanov has been a big supporter of arming them heavily but so far they havent really gotten much done.
Russian insurgent groups
What should the strategy of these guys be if they want to do actual damage to the Russian state? Budanov has been a big supporter of arming them heavily but so far they havent really gotten much done.
We don't really want the Russians fricking around with gay police actions in their own territory at this stage. If they're getting in protracted fights behind lines, that's less resources committed to the meatgrinder in Ukraine, which is undesirable. Idk why people constantly need this explained, we are killing Russia as a significantly player on the world stage and there's always some naive homosexual wanting to force the Russians to hold troops in reserve (which means not being killing). The insurgent acts can be saved for when they have no more troops left to send; as then they'll be unable to respond at all.
Killing Putin is the only way to topple the Russian state. Even whacking some high up like shoigu doesn't matter.
Before the brainlet takes like, "But he'll just get replaced by someone exactly the same!" NO, Putin has ensured he has no real peers because they would threaten his power. The power vacuum after his death is going to be interesting.
Isn't there a concern that the Russian nuclear arsenal is going to be left to a bunch of bumbling morons once the current government is gone? Even moreso than it already is I mean.
I would guess there would be an international effort to control Russias nukes if there was a Government collapse. The people who control those sites would be easily bribed if there was no central authority to threaten them.
30 years ago they showed themselves to be pretty uncorrupt as far as these things go but who knows how much worse it is now.
What if I was to tell you Russia's nuclear arsenal is already controlled by a bunch of bumbling morons?
Fricking pakistan has nukes bro. Yknow, the country of people that believe martyrdom is the only sure way to heaven? That cat is so out of the out of the bag.
>interesting
*Dangerous.
With any luck, Russia's state power will have continued to crumble so that by that point the danger is limited.
There's some shit smeared in your map between Romania and Bosnia.
For the small amount of guys and gear there was (maybe still is) that were running around Belgorod, they caused a lot of damage and forced a lot of Russian border forces to die in all manner of cruel and violent ways they'd never have experienced otherwise. Then on top of that Russia had to wipe some of its own villages off the map to try and get rid of them, the airforce managed to bomb a few of its own guys just for something different and there was mass evacuations.
So while Soigoo is going 'nah, hundreds died, its fine' on the news, it really wasn't fine and it was another disaster they have to deal with. On top of the other rolling disasters going on like the oil refineries blowing up, dams breaking and egg measuring going on. You keep doing that for long enough and the State starts to look like its ineffective, that is when the real poison sets in and the drooling hordes of slaves eventually have a joggin in the noggin that something's all fricked up and no one is really in control. And if no one is in control, who is driving this b***h?
People need to look on him as a wild chimp, its jumped the fence and started biting people's kids and fricking shit up
No one says "Gee, we better not kill the wild chimp because the other chimps still in the cage might be even wilder!"
No, you shoot the c**t and everyone else gets on with their lives.
The cope is real, maybe you should look at some map, the latest news show that Russian are still advancing and ukrainians are fleeing, in which way is that "winning" ? Weren't ukrainians supposed to make a decisiv counter offensiv last year and take back territories ?
So there's two schools of thought when it comes to an insurgency, the fast as frick kill everything that moves or slow burn years long dismantling and sabotage.
Any competent government should be able to handle both. (Yes yes Russians are morons and all that)
Stategy depends not only on weapons and targets but on timelines. The shorter your timeline, the higher risk you take.
For instance killing bigwigs in defense manufacturing plants or sabotaging logistical infrastructure like crashing trains and bombing trucks is effective but very high profile. The timing for the attacks would have to be considered for that kind of kinetic effect. Maybe while there is a big movement of XYZ or there's some kind of summit or meeting of important people.
Arming them is a big risk too, because you have to consider how you're getting the weapons in country and how long you expect them to be stored while enough is stockpiled for effective use.
Sure you have the usual channels like organized crime and corrupt politicians/border guards/police but people talk, so you have to assume that once the weapons start getting used all of your channels are on a countdown to being burned or worse, connected to a foreign intelligence agency
>Arming them is a big risk too, because you have to consider how you're getting the weapons in country and how long you expect them to be stored while enough is stockpiled for effective use.
It's a bit different in this case considering these groups have a safe haven in Ukraine to train and arm themselves. It's more like how the Taliban used Pakistan.
For the crossborder russian brigades sure but I'm talking about local small timers deep inside Russia
Most of those guys just set fire to railway infrastructure
I'm sure there's a couple out there capable of summoning the imagination necessary to do some damage
a cross border raid from time to time
>At best these guys can hold Russian villages for a few days or weeks.
all they can do is hold literal towns inside Russia for weeks
goddamn, Russia really is pathetic.
>arming them heavily
They're running around in humvees and PT-91 tanks
The moscow attack by ISIS did more damage to the Kremlin than 10 of these attacks would have done
Take the governmental buildings in Moscow, assault the Kremlin, and get into the cabinets. Everything is controlled from the center, if you remove the center or paralyze it - they can not do anything. Remember the Prigozhin raid, all they had to do was reach Moscow. Assaulting anything else is not going to accomplish anything.
Blow a nuclear reactor. Take out the Bilibino or the Kola NPP during the winter.
> What should the strategy of these guys be if they want to do actual damage to the Russian state?
They performed incredibly well, despite their small number 3000 at most they forced Russia to concede territory and dig in, now they can’t really keep raiding Belgorod so they probably focusing on striking behind enemy lines either with drones or by recruiting sympathizers for sabotage
Give them FPV drones (costs peanuts) and let them go crazy on any and all oil and gas infrastructure in Siberia, especially the endless miles of pipelines going to China and India. Also lots of C4 and point them towards railway bridges of the Trans-Siberian line.
>Quoting biden
>Quoting biden against the Second Amendment and the right to rebel against tyranny
What happened to this board
He's saying he wants civilian f16s moron. The quote is real, his intentions however were to quote him in a way that is different to his original meaning.
Dumb motherfricker.
They're guerrillas that are part of a larger conventional war. There is nothing they can do that they haven't already one.
When pilots leave the military they should be allowed to take their jets home with them. Everyone benefits.
approach some spook agency and hope they get someone to pay attention long enough to agree to give their guys basics.
How's Belgorod doing?
It's feudal.
lots of smoking accidents and small little firefights at the border area.
1. Surreptitiously concentrate them all in Poland
2. Send them into Kaliningrad
For what purpose? Not even they want to go to Kaliningrad, it's a fricking shithole.
On the one hand, it would be a waste of time and effort to ship off a couple thousand soldiers to somewhere they can't do any good if shit hits the fan during whatever the Russians try this summer.
On the other, it would be pretty fricking funny...
>whole thread israelites dumping shit at russians when hiding from draft in Moldova and Great Sprotia..
>thread was dead after OPs shit post..
Where’s the evidence of Ukraine paying for or coordinating that attack? I’m genuinely interested in finding out more
unironic bot post. That big factory having a smoking accident today has them really riled up.
The eternal smooooker never ceases to make turdies seethe
>ditch all the gear but the rifles/c4/grenades
>go deep to the east of russia where its more relaxed
>squad up and take over a nuclear silo
>launch it at putins palace
>What should the strategy of these guys be if they want to do actual damage to the Russian state?
Attack the Russian security apparatus, mostly. Which would mean bombing Russian police stations and the like. You could also target civil workers, preferably higher-level ones. Make cooperation with the security state a personally risky prospect for you and your family, and you'll have a harder time getting cooperative paper shufflers. Or you'll need to put more security on them, which is a win for an insurgency since it's wasted manpower.
Generally you want to try and target people and things regular Russians don't care about, because the natural environment of an insurgency is hiding among normalgays. So either you need to frighten the locals into silence (wasted resources), or target people they hate/don't care about, either.
Things to avoid include blowing up bridges, ruining the rail system, attacking power plants and water treatment. Most people only have politics after their basic survival and comfort are taken care of. Mess with those and you instantly become the enemy to the public no matter what your professed cause is. You could be the 'stop throwing babies into furnaces league' and people will call for - and assist - in your destruction as long as they can be sure they have food and heat in the cold.
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>AHAHAHA u r bold
>Well u r in gulag tho, see u on the frontline
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There's been a major crackdown on opposition group since Crocus City Hall so that greatly limits the ability of groups like the Russian Volunteer Corps and Freedom of Russia to operate without Ukrainian support, which is by its very nature going to be limited already. Also these groups are mainly fighting Rosgvardia, whose participation in Ukraine is already pretty limited.
There’s literally no such thing as "insurgent" groups in Russia. Any such has been stamped out and/or subverted many years ago. The people attacking the border from Ukraine are GRU forces which does include some Russians but also non-Russians, basically more of an international volunteer force. For example, last month Russia released a GoPro video carried by a clearly-American member of the "Russian" group, communicated through another Ukranian member who spoke English and could translate. Obviously an American accent anyone would from the U.S. would instantly recognize. He appeared to have taken a mortar hit at close range while moving between buildings and the Russians presumably recovered the footage and released it to counter the "Russian anti-Putin militants" messaging by the GRU. There’s going to be massive books written by military historians on this war.