Basically all Russian small arms are "AK 47 but it's a x"
>Krinkov is AK but smaller
>PKM and PKP is AK but it's a machine-gun
>SVD is AK but it's a dmr
>Bizon is AK but it's a submachinegun
>AS VAL and VSS is AK but quiet
>Saiga 12 is AK but it's a shotgun
Pretty amazing that they took one innovative weapon system and made a version of it for every application.
ifunny
STFU blind ass homosexual. It clearly says PrepHole
Um excuse me sir, it's not complaint with red-green colorblindness (or Deuteranomaly). I can barely see the 4, and the rest look made up
It's not very politically correct to have the colors not look correct for ALL audiences, thank you very much
I've been gone for so long. I hope deep ifunny is still alive
moron homosexual
What does dmr stand for?
De-Mazification Rifle
Designated Marksman rifle.
Russian guns:reliable, familiar
Nafo guns: toy wunderwaffels
The PKM weighs less than its NATO equivalents
The SVD is NOT an AK
>PKM weighs less than its NATO equivalents
this is not a positive, especially not for a mg
yeah it weighs less than m240b but there are new lmgs designs that havent really been adopted by anyone yet, hk mg5, kac lamg, that fn evolys or whatever its called which are all lighter and can in fact hold zero with an optic on
yeah i like russian guns too
SVD is not an AK, it is a seperate design with >1% percent parts compatibility with AKM. The SVD rifle is the best rifle ever made and routinely BTFO any NATO rifle that came close, uncontested, for a full decade after production ramped up in the 70s, while the americans were dicking around with M21 (inferior as it was not platoon level like SVD), and NVA received small amounts of SVDs where they were proven very effective in the vietnam theater, and west germany barely made a "matching" rifle with accurized G3s for army use years later.
Not to defend OP who is a raging homosexual, but to look at the SVD/PK's BCG and go "nope, that's a TOTALLY different gun" is a bit disingenuous.
The SVD is, in essence, a milled short-stroke semi-auto AK with a redesigned, detachable trigger pack.
The PK is, in essence, a 180° flipped open-bolt belt-fed AK.
Are you moronic? AK BCG has an entire PISTON attached to it, that is a significant difference to SVD BCG. SVD has much more design influence from SVT, than it does to AK.
>SVD has much more design influence from SVT, than it does to AK.
No it doesn't. I own both.
SVD BCG is literally an AK BCG only with the piston being separate. Everything down to the extractor and firing pin design is the same.
SVT BCG is completely different, it doesn't even use the same locking mechanism (rotating vs tilting bolt).
>only with the piston being separate
+ having the recoil spring attached to the dust cover
>Muh svd guize !
Yeah no, the svd is a decent rifle but it was on par accuracy wise to other battle rifles of the era.
As an owner of a mas49-5,6 mse (dmr variant with pistol grip), fn49, ag42 ljungman and pre 1/9 twist svd (1988 ish, so NOT THE IZMASH TIGR) they are almost on the same level of accuracy if fed with their own tailored loads.
Svd has the advantage of using a modern ( for the era ) scope mounting system, that's all.
But it have the tendency to poi shift when barrel is hot, it's way more cumbersome than a mas 49-56 and lacks a auto bolt stop.
Past the 70 ies the svd only has its cost as an advantage over accurized g3, heavy barrel fal, sig 540... Or straight up bolt actions pushed as dmrs like m40, frf1/2 etc.
Now ? Compared to any ar10/ar18 308 derivatives like scar h, hk417, sig 716the zvd is hilariously obsolescent.
But stalker fanbois and vatniks on copium will applaud this because they are unable to understand that pressed in barrels and side mounted scopes are cold war tech at most.
>Inb4 noguns chimpening :
Yeah, even with marksman czech ammo or even partially resized sako brass on 174 gr smk would be in the ballpark of 3 moa at 600 m wich is exactly the same as my MSE with arsenal convertion 308 mas in x51 using ggg 168 gr sierra.
Modern 1/9 twist svd are better but they appeared on the market in 1994-5 so they have to be compared to ar10s,
Nobody will read this tho, not enough maymay
I read it and learned a lot
thanks anon
>Nobody will read this tho, not enough maymay
You got one with a fricked crown/throat or a straight up lemon, Anon.
I'm not defending the SVD as a modern DMR (it's not, the simple fact you get POI shift when supporting the rifle on the handguard and groups open up considerably after a single mag disqualifies it) but it can push for just about >1 MOA groups with good loads (Ekstra 200gr target loads originally made for the Taifun target rifle work well, but tend to BTFO the bolt carrier eventually).
Even good batches of light ball surplus groups under 2 MOA out of mine, and it's a 1976. OTOH some ammo will just shoot like ass, talking 5-6 MOA here.
So the issue with SVDs shooting like ass is probably more about the rifles having been treated like shit in military service (basically every single SVD in civilian hands has seen service before), or simply due to inconsistent manufacturing, which is par for the course for the Soviets. They can and will shoot well.
I can do just under 2 MOA with a FAL if I cherry pick, what's your point
Sub moa at wich distance ? Cuz sub moa at 100 m isn't sub moa a 600m (660 yds)... Bullet stabilization works in strange ways...
Oh and I do 10 rnd groups in 150 seconds not gaymer 3 rnd groups with single loading in 10 minutes...
While using a standard posp or a 3,5 apx scope not modern x6 stuff.
And wich twist rate do you got on your svd ? If it's past 1994 it's 1/9 and optimized for heavy bullets...
Not saying my svd is pristine condition tho.
It's the old twist rate optimized for 150gr ball.
>at wich distance
>not gaymer 3 rnd groups with single loading in 10 minutes
At 100 usually, but out to 300, never under 5 round groups, I agree that cherrypicked 3 round groups are bullshit.
Picrel is with Chink x54R light ball, kind of a big surprise since the rounds look fricking nasty and smell like a wet fart.
Soviet 7n1 and Ekstras both hovered a bit above 1 MOA (never under, best I got was like 1.1-1.2), but unfortunately 7n1 is fricking unobtanium, I only managed to find something like 150 rounds in the whole country and I only have one of the paper packets left that I refuse to shoot.
At 500-600 I just shoot on figures because the PSO becomes a major limiting factor.
>While using a standard posp
The PSO-1 that came with the rifle, then later I bought a PO 4×24 since the PSO was pretty clapped out from use (it's a civvie version of the PSO manufactured at the same Novosibirsk plant as the military versions, basically identical, except it takes AAs for the reticle backlight instead of these proprietary moronese Soviet batteries).
Frick me
>wise to other battle rifles of the era
The other guy is moronic, but the svd shits on any battle rifle of the era. It is now obsolete, but to compare its accuracy to a fal or g3 it's asinine
>AK-47
>Krinkov
have a nice day, Black person
>AKS-74U
>using a cringe ass nickname made up by moronic boomers on gun forums
At least call it a suchka you double Black person.
AK isn't called "AK-47", moron
That's basically what everyone has been trying to do since the 1950s till recently. 1 platform with multiple variants for each role.
i dont know if its a bait or not but have you seen how svd looks inside? you stupid fricking moron
It just looks like an AK crossed with a FAL for a bit, you can't say it's a totally unrelated design
being able to maintain a consistent manual of arms across multiple weapons platforms is a strength of Russian designs. Any conscript can pick one up and know how to use it without much additional training.
I don't get the weapon training meme. Are soldiers really so moronic that they don't know how to use other weapons that aren't their service rifle? Like when the US Army chose that disgusting B&T 9mm SMG with AR controls instead of an MP9
>Are soldiers really so moronic that they don't know how to use other weapons that aren't their service rifle
Here's a fitting russian proverb: "Wherever you kiss a soldier, it's always ass" meaning that average conscript or volounteer is always a moron until proven otherwise.
That's why you get army knives two times thicker than any practical hunting or camping knives of similar length (because soldiers are stupid enough to break it).
soviet conscripts would shoot less than a full mag during the entirety of their 2 year service in the military, and that's being generous. they would practice field stripping the gun(often for speed, for some immensely idiotic idea) but that's about it.
>Are soldiers really so moronic that they don't know how to use other weapons that aren't their service rifle?
One of the tasks during the acceptance trials into our highest tier SF unit (in between hard field training) was to be able to field strip, operate and qualify with an M4 back when we had vz.58 as the standard issue rifle.
You'd be surprised at how badly people usually struggled with it.
KPV is at least totally different and cool as frick.I recall a video of a drone spotting a bunch of Wagner and a single KPV pinning all 15-20 down using drone directed fire that was absolutely shredding through the wall they thought would cover them. Then mortars (looked like 60mm and then a last one that could be 81mm or 120mm) come in while they are pinned. Looked like they got almost all of them, if not all.
14.5mm is a cool cartridge if you could integrate the math to show where the beaten zone is with arcing fire out of line of sight, the thing is lethal out to fricking forever and will shred most cover.
Stupid meme. First, there are constructive differences between AK, SVD and VAL. Second, the comparison is stupid. If we think about AUG as CQB gun, then the closest analog would be either OTs-14 or short barrel AK-100s. Closest comparison to MP7 would be PP-91 (originally designed in the 70s, but pulled from the shelf in the 90s) and PP-2000. Closest gun similar to M249 would be RPK, while PK has more in common with M240.
On the other side, if one system does everything relatively well, what's the point of changing it? NATO countries tried to pull the same trick multiple times. Canada had AR-15 based LMG, H&K designed XM8 in DMR, PDW and SAW versions, L85 has PDW and machine gun variations.
>Saiga
Originally it was designed as a civilian rifle. It was cheaper to give civilians military style semi-autos than design new guns from ground zero (not that it didn't happened, it did). Another gun of that style was Medved carbine based of SVD.
Can you hammer a pps43 barrel in place or do I have to use a gay press?
I guess you can.