russian AD is one of the biggest scams in history

the west puts a lot of work into destroying AD: stealth planes & stealth missiles, advanced decoys, radar-seeking missiles, etc.
yet ukraine can on several occasionaly not only penetrates russian IADS (with storm shadows) but they sometimes destroy advanced AD equipment like radars, launchers, etc.

S400 was supposed to take out F35s, yet it got mogged by a fricking coldwar-era missile

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah
    Unironically.
    I myself was pretty shocked when I saw S-400's actual performance.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Opportunistic DEAD =/= real SEAD-DEAD

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russian AD is one of the biggest scams in history
    Not sure OP. I've been told the Ukrainians have had success with the S-200.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This isn’t because the s200 is amazing but because hitting an AWACS the size and speed of an airliner isn’t hard if you have the range. And the s200 in particular does have the range

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it might just be great at hitting airliners.
        🙂

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, we're all aware that russians are subhuman barbarians, but thanks for the reminder

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No we're not. Russians proper with an 'u' have dived deep into a pseudo-napoleonic era cope.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they just downed a Tu-22M - a supersonic missile boat - and did it like 50 km further than the AWACS

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This never happened
          The plane did not crash
          There are FIVE LIGHTS

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They cargo-culted the Airacobra, which is why their aircraft keep flat-spinning.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah op here, what he

      This isn’t because the s200 is amazing but because hitting an AWACS the size and speed of an airliner isn’t hard if you have the range. And the s200 in particular does have the range

      said. taking out awacs and transport planes is the equivalent of taking out passenger planes. impressive at great distances but not as impressive as taking out missiles that can manoeuvre

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    those are the monkey models
    when the real S-400 systems are around moscow and the NATO will be in for a shock when they start firing missiles there

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      S-500 is coming

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Then why did Saudi Arabia buy Pantsirs to protect Patriot batteries?

    Lol
    Lmao even

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because those were the only SHORADs russians had that worked

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/IuIlK0g.jpeg

        Then why did Saudi Arabia buy Pantsirs to protect Patriot batteries?

        Lol
        Lmao even

        "Works"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That was just to make sure the cameraman was paying attention.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Around pantsir never relax

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tbh there's a gepard webm tracking the target and shooting into the ground as well. admittedly at opposite direction from the camera

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            pretty sure i've seen far more videos of russian AD fail. but anyways here's a new video of more russian AD getting whacked by HIMARS.

            it's funny because TOR was designed exactly for missile like GMLRS

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well it certainly intercepted it well.
              ...What? Shoot it down with it's own missiles?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those were decoy Pantsirs..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pantsir

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There will be no actual response to this, just random "but... but... this funny meme" or isolated clips of their failures often due to user error, Youre being overly generous, they bought them because their patriot batteries were useless.

        >Does the Pantsir work though?

        Extremely well. They've mastered taking down volleys of US GMLRS rockets, SDBs, "stealthy" cruise missiles like Storm Shadow etc.
        Very cost efficient too because the effectors are relatively cheap.

        here's an even better video than the first. in one of the clips you see the launcher fire multiple times failing to shootdown whatever's coming from it (probabbly a delilah missile). it seems there is a hit before the one we're seeing the view from lands.

        russian AD is only good for props

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why did Pantsir fail here despite firing at least 2 times. it's probabbly good to assume they fired more than 2 times since the video released by the idf start a few seconds before impact.

          do these simply have shitty guidance? why would you have trouble with shooting something coming right towards you at airline speeds?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rumor has it that most panty-stirs are equipped with command guided missiles (it can fire multiple types of missiles, but the russian blowpipe version is the cheapest one). its basically MCLOS but guided by a computer algorithm. So if the algo fricks up on the part of where the frick the actual missile is in regards to the target you get that sort of shit where it misses shots that an actual blowpipe operator would hit.
            >source it came to me in a dream and i've read something on telegram while drunk or something

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There will be no actual response to this, just random "but... but... this funny meme" or isolated clips of their failures often due to user error, Youre being overly generous, they bought them because their patriot batteries were useless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That makes no sense though, if the Patriot batteries were useless, they wouldn’t be worth protecting, so you wouldn’t buy another system to protect them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably because it’s a shitpost

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >moron doesn't know how layers in AA work

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arabs are not intelligent people
      And there's not really western alternatives for the Saudis. Most SPAAGs are German (Gepard, Skyshield), and Germany is currently refusing to sell to Saudis

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damn God's chosen really do have the Krauts on a tight leash. I guess they deserve it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This has nothing to do with israelites lol, they are actually one of the more Israel friendly middle eastern countries . We don't sell to Saudis because of the Khashoggi stuff

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they're dumb?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does the Pantsir work though?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Does the Pantsir work though?

        Extremely well. They've mastered taking down volleys of US GMLRS rockets, SDBs, "stealthy" cruise missiles like Storm Shadow etc.
        Very cost efficient too because the effectors are relatively cheap.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mastering is giving westoid equipment too much credit. It's basically dummy training rounds for them, shooting down any of those weapons is meaningless.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Does the Pantsir work though?

            Extremely well. They've mastered taking down volleys of US GMLRS rockets, SDBs, "stealthy" cruise missiles like Storm Shadow etc.
            Very cost efficient too because the effectors are relatively cheap.

            Please, do tell us more at how great the RU AD network is.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're joking right

              Zigzags are consistent about not acknowledging the truly damning vids or pics.
              Like the motorpool fully emptying out.
              But it's still good that you post them. I was able to fill out some stuff that I remembered, but was missing from my collection.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zigzags
                kek this reminded me of this webm
                And honestly it's really fricking funny they ignore the literal proof of it failing, every single time.
                Hey, maybe next year they can finally gain air superiority over their tiny corrupt neighbor with barely any jets LMAO.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how they ignore literal proof of it failing
                They go even further. I visited /chug/ a few weeks ago, and a few of them were talking about how Pantsir had "easily shown itself to be the MVP SHORAD of the war."
                Took me aback for a minute. Not only do they live in an alternate reality, their job is to stay there. None of them posted any Pantsir victory vids, ofc. Just talked it up a bunch and moved on.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its like mobile iron dome but can intercept actual military missiles instead of hand made hamas rockets
                https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1c7sx0h/ru_pov_footage_of_russian_pantsirs1_aa_system/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here is one where a Stormshadow is fired at from both an S-400 and a Pantsir, they fail to intercept, and it hits their command post.
                The original video is with a dude on the right asking if they should maybe put on vests, they get hit somewhere further to their right, the cameraman goes full BLYAAAT and says they wounded him in the leg.
                Trying to find it but no luck so far, maybe I deleted it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this the one?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Like the motorpool fully emptying out.
                They have new replacements for the golf carts now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kinda kino (until it fails horribly and violently)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                these pieces of shit are barely ridable on asphalt, kek

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >these pieces of shit are barely ridable on asphalt
                Those look a bit more off-road than the usual app escooters, still they're not going to do well in mud season.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is fine, they are single use and don't have to make it very far.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zigzags
                Can we workshop this? What about Zig-ZOGs?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          May i see the effectors?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mastering is giving westoid equipment too much credit. It's basically dummy training rounds for them, shooting down any of those weapons is meaningless.

          Cool, then you won't mind showing us a source that isn't RT.
          Because so far, the Patriot has shut down everything Russia's tried to throw at them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're joking right

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lmao, someone post the video of pantsirs "protecting" the antonovsky bridge from GMLRS strikes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is desperate for sales so they get good deals. Also Pantsir is still better than nothing and currently there are no similar mobile systems Saudis can buy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia is desperate for sales so they get good deals.

        Really? Didn't know Saudi Arabia was running low on money for defence spending....

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Saudis literally just buy the newest and shiniest thing they see on the market. This was also at the time where most of the West didn't really have comparable SHORAD vehicles ready for export.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/jbg95PX.png

      >Russia is desperate for sales so they get good deals.

      Really? Didn't know Saudi Arabia was running low on money for defence spending....

      the arabs have been surrounding a tiny state from all directions that has been whacking them for nearly a century. i don't think they are a go-to for military matters

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those are ukrainian pantsirs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At the time was the Pantsir utterly humiliated by its performance, so it made sense to trust the brochure?

      There will be no actual response to this, just random "but... but... this funny meme" or isolated clips of their failures often due to user error, Youre being overly generous, they bought them because their patriot batteries were useless.

      >they bought them because their patriot batteries were useless
      It's a losing proposition to fire 2 million dollar hit-to-kill missiles at drones.
      The Patriots are good at doing what they are supposed to do. Patriots are not SHORAD. They're meant to hit aircraft and ballistic missiles.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pantsir won in all fierce competitions for arab long term contracts, now imagine how garbage all nato shorads are if they cant even beat the very first version of sa22

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >fierce competitions
          A fierce bribery auction, to be sure!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why did Saudi Arabia buy
      who the frick knows? what does that have to do with their performance? just because some idiot arab decided to buy a golden lamborghini doesn't mean it's any good for commuting to work

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.
        All purchases may as well be so some lobbyist gets his middlemans cut.
        Nothing to do with objective performance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pantsirs
      Is there any other SHORAD system for sale right now?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Saudi Arabia
      Oil monarchies are moronic so there is your answer.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let me guess, they bought them BEFORE Russia started its invasion of Ukraine? Fricking moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ClhryOd.jpeg

      the west puts a lot of work into destroying AD: stealth planes & stealth missiles, advanced decoys, radar-seeking missiles, etc.
      yet ukraine can on several occasionaly not only penetrates russian IADS (with storm shadows) but they sometimes destroy advanced AD equipment like radars, launchers, etc.

      S400 was supposed to take out F35s, yet it got mogged by a fricking coldwar-era missile

      Genuninley curious.
      Are gun based AAs meme, or do they still have a place in AA defense networks?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They seem to be coming back.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That looks more like an anti-infantry gun and a grenade launcher for self protection, not AA gun.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can load different ammo into weapons. In this case it's a 30mm autocannon with XM1223 airburst rounds. The stingers are also for air defense. The hellfires are neat because they can kill air targets at longer range and also still hit ground targets further than the TOW. It's primarily anti-air but also can stand in as a ATGM launch platform.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Are gun based AAs meme
        M113 VADS was useful against early early helos and very early jets like the mig-21
        but useless against anything more modern

        >, or do they still have a place in AA defense networks?
        whacking slow-flying drones, but pretty much anything could do that
        you arent shooting down an F-22 or even an F-15 with any gun

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gun based systems are making a comeback. VADS specifically is pretty old and was a stopgap at the time anyways. Its not as sophisticated as Gepard.

        That looks more like an anti-infantry gun and a grenade launcher for self protection, not AA gun.

        Modern fire control blurs the lines. Any gun can be an AA gun if your fire control is good enough. With AMP, the 120mm gun on an Abrams is an anti air gun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >noo much monkey models
      >nooo muh arab pilots
      lmao amerimutts seethe and cope

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re confusing the Soviet/Russian cope for the American cope, Rasheed

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >decades of british rule and hindustinians still too moronic to figure out pooing properly

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"If I pretend Americans started the 'monkey model' and 'arab pilots' cope, then no one will remember it was actually Russians."
        Thirdies are children.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Egyptian military leaders were pleased with the outcome of the battle because the Soviets had long been criticizing Egypt's aerial losses to Israel and attributing them to a lack of skill among Egyptian fighter pilots.

        russians have always sucked

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To say nothing of the fact that there is still no answer for how a Ukrainian drone was able to observe

    [...]

    .

    (the answer is Russian AD does indeed suck)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >(the answer is Russian AD does indeed suck)

      Same reason Iran was able to hit the most heavily defended targets in the world: Nevatim and Ramon airbases, protected by Arrow, Patriot, THAAD, AEGIS with SM-3, US Naval fighters etc. etc.

      It's impossible to protect every inch of surface on a tiny shithole like Israel, than it becomes even more difficult to protect a front line that's 2000 km across.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's impossible to protect every inch
        They can't even self protect, dipshit.
        Compare that with kinzhal vs patriots.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kek the two scenarios aren't comparable. One was a saturation attack prosecuted by a mix of low-flying and ballistic weapons, whereas this is a solitary non-stealth ISR aircraft flying tens of thousands of feet in the air. Either Russian surveillance radar in northern Ukraine badly overstretched, or the operators are remarkably incompetent.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Same reason Iran was able to hit the most heavily defended targets in the world
        lmfao. iran fired over 300 cruise and ballistic missiles with drones. all of their cruise missile and drones were shotdown even before entering israeli airspace. only a couple of ballistic missiles got through which is great for one of the largest saturation attacks in modern history. and those that got through only managed to make a couple of potholes.

        reminder, israel stealthy took out a radar of an S300 guarding one of Iran's nuclear sites. no saturation was needed. it quick, silent and stealthy. they made the iranians remove their AD for sometime. the iranians aren't retads and understand that russian AD is shit and their sites are sitting ducks

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian AD is very good though we regularly see their factories and refineries burning, burnout aircraft remains at air fields and destroyed air defense systems and sales completely dropped off

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >If western AD is so good, then how can we hit targets that aren't covered by them?
    And Ukraine seems to be doing fine on power, lol.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >brings out the troony card like expected.
    So you basically admit you're full of shit. Nice.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, to be fair to the zigger, I wouldn't trust them either based on those grounds alone. Anybody who believes otherwise can get the frick off /k/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      So I guess we don't trust each other's sources of information and there's nothing to talk about. So long.

      Well, to be fair to the zigger, I wouldn't trust them either based on those grounds alone. Anybody who believes otherwise can get the frick off /k/

      Well, to be fair to the zigger, I wouldn't trust them either based on those grounds alone. Anybody who believes otherwise can get the frick off /k/

      my name is jon montana from kiev oblast and russians are so gay and pathetic hahaha ukraine is winning and will be marching through moscow by july 4th to celebrate american independence because we are a fair and democratic nation with elections and no secret police

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeeehaw cowboy that's right

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So I guess we don't trust each other's sources of information and there's nothing to talk about. So long.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Something about this argument seems to be familiar to me.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You mean power plants that were not protected by Patriot because Ukraine don't have enough?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, what kind of an ~~*ally*~~ sets a country up for war against a bigger neighbour with more missiles, and then doesn't even help out with some spare missiles....

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Man what kind of ~~*country*~~ can't even beat their poor, weaker next door neighbor without relying on chinks, dog eaters, and ragheads to give them materiel, and overpriced materiel at that

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sets a country up for war
        This didn't happen, pidorashka.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This didn't happen, pidorashka.

          https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

          Shhhh, shhh. No more tears, only dreams now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >selling weapons to allies is setting them up for war
            do you have any clue how many countries buy us weapons?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That doesn't prove your point it proves the persons point if anything..

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Typical communist pederast, the materialism in his diseased brain makes him think the more powerful country selling material to a weaker country is starting a wear as the vermin thinks the material determines action taken by the people involved and not the other way around...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's the max range of a Javelin? Is it enough to hit Moscow?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Man, what kind of an ~~*ally*~~ sets a country up for war against a bigger neighbour with more missiles, and then doesn't even help out with some spare missiles....

        Never happened

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We didn't set up this "special military operation," and we just gave them 60 billion dollars.

        If you want to bait, at least try a bit harder.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bait Russia into committing geopolitical suicide
          I wish the CIA was this competent

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Storm Shadow was made to be stealthy you moron. It was made to not be shot down you fricking moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes and F35 is stealthy too. yet the russians and their shills have been claiming they can defeat them for years

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      except that was an ATACMS strike, pidor

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    besides rare leaked videos (like that pantsir shooting down 4 out of 5) there's no information on success rates of interceptions and penetrations, it could simply be due to pure luck one way or the other. Once more statistics become available after the war we'll see which systems did good, I'm sure intel agencies already know this

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russian AD is one of the biggest scams in history
    So why isn't Ukraine achieving air superiority? moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So why isn't Ukraine achieving air superiority? moron.
      Because the best they have are 35 Su-27.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they simply don't have the numbers. not enough planes and also not enough surface attack missiles

        Why are you coping instead of admitting because their planes will get shot down?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >coping
          Shows that you are a fricking tourist/brown shill/ cum/chug/ger, I said they got shit planes yet you would not know that, Ranjeet.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are we already memoryholing that the russians failed to shut down the ukrainian iads for more than 48 hours?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Next year will bring victory. Just as planned.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i'm not involved in whatever moronic argument you're having. i think s-300s are actually pretty solid air defense as long as the things they're shooting at aren't very high velocity (mach 3+) or very low rcs. the fact is that ukraine has these systems too, it's had them forever, and the russians also failed to shut them down in february of 2022.

              stop coping you fricking moron.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's simple math, morono. not about coping. do you understand the concept of numbers? ukraine simply has very little planes and surfarce attack missile, especially when compared to russia.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia has infinite soviet era shitplanes
            >Ukrainian pilots train NATO standard

            i'm not involved in whatever moronic argument you're having. i think s-300s are actually pretty solid air defense as long as the things they're shooting at aren't very high velocity (mach 3+) or very low rcs. the fact is that ukraine has these systems too, it's had them forever, and the russians also failed to shut them down in february of 2022.

            stop coping you fricking moron.

            I'm not disparaging the S-300/400 G2A systems. I'm saying you can't maintain a country full of monkeys and hope to have a contemporary military force.
            The diabolical Anglo-Saxons are testing laser weapons. The Russians are using WW2 guns.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >diabolical anglo-saxons
              oh sorry i thought you were serious. good bait anon i fell for it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Le heckin NATO standards = DEI training and quotas.

                Argh! Chort take those evil anglo-saxon debily and them absolutely dumping an arseful of diarrhoea on the socialist war machine.
                Nu blyat! Nu urody! The T-34 is a fine weapon in 2024!
                It's not fair!!!!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Le heckin NATO standards = DEI training and quotas.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >do you even rape your conscripts bro

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they simply don't have the numbers. not enough planes and also not enough surface attack missiles

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Ukrainian airforce is Su-27, Su-24, Su-25 and MiG-29

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So why isn't Ukraine achieving air superiority?
      Because Soviet air forces were meant to fight from within their AD bubble, not penetrate enemy AD. So Ukraine didn't get to inherit weapons and training to let their pilots seek and destroy Russian AD.
      You're flat out denying a massive problem with Russian AD. Defensive systems can't only against enemy aircraft. They also have to deal with long range munitions and observer drones. While an aircraft might be in danger if flown into a subpar AD bubble, you can afford to fly missiles and drones into it.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes, the good old grift.
    >Buy peoples socialist republic quality weapon
    >peoples socialist republic is a mafia state
    Many such cases.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thread about russian AD
    >no mention of how shitty drones are bringing russian refineries to their knees

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thread about russian AD
      >no mention of how shitty drones are bringing russian refineries to their knees

      Don't worry about it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those are saboteurs, satan
      we will prosecute them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A saboteur just flew over my commie block.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shitty drones can probably even hit Washington, just like they keep getting trough in Ukraine.

      Russia is big and they have still open civilian air traffic.

      Just too much terrain to cover against a saturation attack and the fact that civilian traffic is still open likely means they have some pretty stringent engagement rules to avoid shooting down some oligarch private jet.

      Most often Ukraine will try sending a couple of dozens drones see if any get trough, get a good feeling of whatever defenses are around or on the way to the refinery and than send a sufficient amount of drones to ensure they can overwhelm the air defenses or go around any air defense on the way.

      If the Ukrainians wanted to be really dangerous they could design drones that fly as fast as a commercial airliner and have the drones fly on the same vectors and altitudes.

      It would cause Russia to shut down commercial air traffic unless they want risking shooting down their own passenger planes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Shitty drones can probably even hit Washington, just like they keep getting trough in Ukraine.

        i higly doubt it. the us isn't moron and would have fighter jets go after those drones just like they did when defending israel. those drone are slow as frick so it doesn't take long to intercept them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >those drone are slow as frick so it doesn't take long to intercept them
          They wouldn't be launched from Mexico, they'd be launched from Maryland or something. USA doesn't have to worry about intercontinental war so much, just terrorism.
          The challenge is just acquiring and building enough explosives inside USA to perform a meaningful strike.
          Same problem any terrorist has really.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How do you sneak a bunch of drones into the US? You know large shipments are inspected when they enter the country right?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You don't sneak them in, you just send people who can build them and order the parts off Amazon or from hobbyist shops.

              The drones are easy, a credit card and an engineering graduate with a clean record is sufficient, maybe even one who currently studies at a US college. The hard part is the payload.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bro, you get a visit if you buy fertiliser suspiciously, what the frick are you talking about?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you get a visit if you buy fertiliser suspiciously
                Sure but you can buy drone parts without ID and at will, pay cash in retail stores if you prefer.

                Like I said, the payload is hard, the drone is easy. Can you not in2 reading comprehension?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He thinks that Washington DC of all places doesn't have layered air defense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Russian government doesn't want you to know this but 99% of Russia is completely undefended. You can just go in and blow up their stuff. I personally blew up 417 oil refineries. The frick S-400 gonna do?

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't worry pidor we're all very impressed you managed to disrupt Ukraine's electricity for over four minutes using the entirety of your military might

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder, this happened under Patriot PAC-3 "coverage".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      putting arab incompetence aside, patriot was never designed to take down drones. if you want to take drones and low-flying cruise missiles down, do what westerners do and use fighter jets

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >patriot was never designed to take down drones

        Those weren't drone but cruise missiles, tardbro.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why the frick are you lying, Black person?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >weren't drone but cruise missiles
          The impacts were from drones, the cruise missiles got shot down.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those were drones and pretty precise, maybe they were actually controlled rather than being GPS guided.
      I wouldn't think target recognition for terminal guidance would be within Yemen's reach, Iran hasn't even provided that kind of technology to Russia.

      I wonder what kind of commlink they'd have used.
      Some reports said that the successful drones came from the west while the cruise missiles and other stuff was coming from Yemen or Iraq and those, at least the missiles, were intercepted successfully.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of shit AD, something BIG just exploded in Odessa, again:
    https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1chvbi8

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i would bet good money they killed a bunch of civilians again

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would bet 1 cent that a guy that posts a telegram watermarked image with a reddit link earns about that much a day.

        Just a sheer coincidence, maybe.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        aka french merecenaries, you are party to this war nafo

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your people will love their new home on the island of Madagascar.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      L337 gamer move blowing up more apartments and farm produce.
      Russians do love causing famines...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a postal office and not really that big.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >REKT like 80% of Ukraine's power plants
    Ukraine has much more than 2 power plants

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And they all got kalibrated

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Source on the interception rate and hit rate, Pradesh?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post hand

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            White, not cum/chug/ger.
            Give Kalibr interception rate and hit rate, cause last year it was whopping 100% failure rate for that, are they faring better?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are not white

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Since when does an Indian have a say how white a native European is?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Europeans are not white anymore thanks to globohomosexual mass immigration, only Russia is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia
                Pic related, Ranjeet.

                [...]
                [...]
                100% confirmed mentally dominated.

                [...]
                confirmed homosexual that REFUSES to discuss weapons

                >confirmed homosexual that REFUSES to discuss weapons
                Very gay of you to say, still waiting on those hit stats.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fricking racebaiting Black person, show how the city was completely demolished, you fricking c**t, not some diaperheads you thought looked cute. I'm going to brick in your goddamn mouth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up, cheap internet in India was a mistake because homosexuals like you shit the whole world up and make us look like idiots

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Gay. Try to talk about military stuff on /k/.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You are not white
              Come on anon.
              When did this place turn into /misc/?
              We're better than this.

              You are not white

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When did this place turn into /misc/?
                Since you stopped calling them slurs and tried to act like some actual wicked browno with all the devil's hate in his heart that knows a gun is supposed to be a rusty brown china AK approximates the genus hom-sapiens-sapiens-non-/pol/homosexualéry

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        White, not cum/chug/ger.
        Give Kalibr interception rate and hit rate, cause last year it was whopping 100% failure rate for that, are they faring better?

        You are not white

        100% confirmed mentally dominated.

        Since when does an Indian have a say how white a native European is?

        confirmed homosexual that REFUSES to discuss weapons

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Getting a lot of zigger spam lately. They usually do that when something catastrophic happens. That embarrassing tank parade on top of this must mean that it was really bad this time around.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pussians gets day offs on the May holidays 1-9 so they just have lot's of time online to frick around or bot farms got holiday bonuses or something lol

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Given their pathetic performance lately I'm surprised they're being paid anything at all that isn't ass rape

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nah its their cargo cult holiday approaching plus intense combat in the outskirts of donetsk. The wienerroaches always skitter out when the vatnik copeganda shit hose spray intensifies since they are attracted to eating it up.

      good thing most of these degenerates will be exterminated in the upcoming years in a combination of monke biting off more then they can chew, vatnikstan meeting its inevitable end and turd world falling back into seething impotently since they have no muscle or reach. Best they have if fricking puccia kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spending pocket money on drones and shells to put mobiks out of their misery is the single best possible investment one can make these days

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Another refinery got blown up at dawn today. It was in Ryazan this time.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian AD is so good many are clamoring to buy it now even Servia is buying more Russian AD.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Servia
      "Hmmm, seems legit."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Servia
        It is traditional English spelling of the country, we will not cave to trannies demanding we use the new spelling.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Where is this tradition located, I cannot recall a single instance of an English news broadcast or article using Serbia. If more then 5% of articles written by European or American publications use 'Servia' I'll eat my hat

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Where is this tradition located, I cannot recall a single instance of an English news broadcast or article using Serbia
            NTA but I've always heard it called Servia. It's what they're famous for.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jesus there are a lot of shills here

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zigger spam has increased. Ukraine has probably hit something important.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://nitter.poast.org/Osinttechnical/status/1785712876314857611

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, its the refinery getting hit in Ryazan. The pederast shills don't give a frick about a company of their brethren being wasted.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russia grossly over inflating their capabilities
    I am shocked

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick I thought the thumbnail was just some rusting Russian junk...

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have seen the Ukrainians using S300 to decent success in the first year of the war.

    In some ways they have better performance than the patriot, even if their precision isn't as good, they still have a fairly good chance of successful interceptions they do have a lot more range.

    The reason why the Russians can now pummel Ukrainian front lines with glide bombs is specifically because the Ukrainians ran out of S300 missiles.
    The extra range of the S300, even if it misses often, successfully deterred the Russian aviation as they could not launch glide bombs from a safe stand off distance when the S300 was in operation.

    The patriot as good as it is has limited range, in particular when faced with high flying targets and we need to consider that the patriot is just too valuable to be put too close to the frontlines.

    The result is that by replacing the S300 with patriots now the Russians can hit daily Ukrainian frontlines with their air force.

    S400 and S300 might not have as good of hit percentage as the patriot and likely would not be able to intercept hypersonics nor engage the most advanced stealth aircrafts reliably but against the like is Russian planes and older western models (F16, F14, F18, A12...) it can create a large enough area of denial to prevent thr deployment of long range munitions.

    Personally I expect the Patriot future updates to increase its range substantially to avoid the current scenario unfolding in Ukraine.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The times Russian AD has been defeated is VASTLY outnumbered by the times it works — hence why Moscow isn’t a flaming ruins by now and why Kerch is still standing. Also you have NO idea what went into the few successful penetrations you get to see happen.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also you have NO idea what went into the few successful penetrations you get to see happen.
      Russia never managed to stop single Stotm Shadow or ATACMS attack

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        False, it’s just not advertised on /k/. 2 months ago there was an attack against the Kerch bridge and Black Sea Fleet. /k/ talked about the ship being hit but was crickets on the 12 Storm Shadow + MALD package against Kerch being intercepted. You get a very lopsided view of the conflict if /k/ is your only source.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2 months ago there was an attack against the Kerch bridge
          There was never any air attack against Kerch bridge
          >and Black Sea Fleet.
          One rocket was "likely" intercepted, 3 hit FSB base, 1 hit near one ship damaging it, one hit near second damaging it. At best 16% interception rate, at worst 0% interception rate

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes they were hit. It seems likely after the fact that Kerch was the primary target but when the first wave (reportedly 12 Storm Shadows and a MALD) was intercepted they switched targets to the Black Sea Fleet. Lots of reports of Kerch bridge coming under attacks, ie the usual social media posts reporting Kerch AD going off, smoke generator activating, bridge shut down, etc. Later on Russian media reported details of the attack. Ukies had better success against the BSF base so that enters reality for /k/ while the failed Kerch attack does not enter reality.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Proofs of the 12 gorillion intercepted storm shadows?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I believe it, especially because Russia failed to intercept single missile on port few kilometers from Kerch bridge, they also shot down 15 out of 11 ATACMS and they successfully shot down every drone targeting refineries but then debri of them fell and blew up said refineries.
              Every time Russians lie another story becomes less believed, so unless you can show me video of 12 SS intercepted over Kerch bridge you can stuff that fanfic up your assrtn4

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what unknown force stopped the brave nato warriors from destroying the bridge already if ru sams have 0% chance to intercept their missiles?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Attack on Kerch bridge requires complex operation with both sea and air forces, so until Ukrainemanages to clear way for it's larger drones to attack from sea it won'tbe blown up, furthermore TAURUS missiles are better suited for bridge attack than Storm Shadow

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Personally I feel all it would take is a few homegrown big boys. Ukraine has shown it can make its own long range ballistic missiles I'm pretty sure they could just fire several, it's not like Russian AD could stop them all.
                Either way Russians have locked down any news in regards to the bridge for almost a year now, even if there were hits we'd never hear about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Precision needed to hit support pillar is very high, you need >1 meter CEP on multiple pillars to render both train bridge and car bridge unusable

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True. And we know that Russian AD and jamming efforts are mostly concentrated around the bridge, both because it’s a major supply line (perhaps in the top three most important) and because it’s a symbol for the regime. The Ukies should play it smart and capitalize on the weaker AD elsewhere to continue striking airfields, fuel depots, ammo dumps, enemy artillery, radar sites, rail lines, armor concentrations, refineries, and C2 nodes. Maybe when they have 30~ F16s to field they can launch a joint UBV, missile, air strike against the bridge and cause major collapse.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If [X] hasn't been hit yet, it must be that our team successfully intercepted all of the probably numerous attempts to hit [X]
                >Not because there was no attempt to hit [X]

                This is the same logic that gave a new life to the term "wunderwaffen" by ziggers.
                It's assuming all of your troops should already be dead without inflincting a single casualty to NATO equipment so that any deviation from that grim prospect is a proof of both NATO equipment failure and your total victory, which is setting the bar quite low for your own team.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Storm shadows are fired from SU-24s and the variant Ukraine has received lacks the range to even hit the Kerch bridge. Directly over Kherson is within SAM range and still doesn't allow you to hit the bridge, you would have to release SS literally past the zapo frontline to hit it. Ukraine went after the black sea fleet because Russia attempted to blockage their grain exports, and the black sea fleet got bent over and given the mobik treatment.

              I believe it, especially because Russia failed to intercept single missile on port few kilometers from Kerch bridge, they also shot down 15 out of 11 ATACMS and they successfully shot down every drone targeting refineries but then debri of them fell and blew up said refineries.
              Every time Russians lie another story becomes less believed, so unless you can show me video of 12 SS intercepted over Kerch bridge you can stuff that fanfic up your assrtn4

              nice get

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14qagpm/ru_pov_wreckage_of_a_storm_shadow_missile_shot/

    lolno
    even got it intact to study all materials and stealth coating

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sweet, now all they need to do is to build an entire industrial base to replicate it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But thats not what I said. I didn't say Russia never shotdown single storm shadow. I've said they never managed to defend against Storm Shadow attack, you basically send 3 rockets and its over for Russian AA

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you just never hear about failed attacks maybe this is why they halted

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is why what has halted? there was an ATACAMs in crimea attack a couple of days ago

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >dude Russia has 100% interception rate when none is looking and when it's not their HQs, ships, command centers, radar instalations or airbases

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not the state of the art, but they have way too much of it. Only a fraction of Ukrainian strikes do the intended damage as a result.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Only a fraction of Ukrainian strikes do the intended damage as a result.
      i am assuming you have evidence for this? also are you forgetting russian AD failing in Syria and Iran

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        90% is fraction though

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you believe the Russian reports about them shooting down 10k drones a day, then I have a bridge to sell you

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        now after the invasion they only become even more effective and battle tested against the latest top notch nato missiles

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >battle tested against the latest top notch nato missiles
          ATACAMS is a coldwar-era ballistic missile, yet it took out russia latest and most advanced AD

          NATO's top notch missiles would be something like JASSAM, which the russians would have no chance of stopping. now imagine if 20-50 of those were fired at once from cargo planes in conjuctions with MALDS and HARM missiles. no army in the world would be able to stop them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that video's was just a test run btw. the US has been making about 500 JASSAMS each year for some years now. and an attack would look something like this animation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Both Russia and China would stop such an attack with trivial ease. JASSMs are just cruise missiles. An AD network would have to be degraded significantly prior to launching such an attack. That’s exactly how the Russians were able to push through those cruise missile attacks against power plants a month ago —only after Ukie AD had been sufficiently depleted first. Cruise missiles are not difficult targets for modern AD, even with countermeasures and penetration aids like MALD.

            Yes I’m aware that the Russian successfully used a low-observable cruise missile but, again, that’s because Ukie AD had been sufficiently degraded beforehand. Low-observable is NOT stealth.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well russia can't even stop coldwar-era ballistic missiles and storm shadows so they're already out of the picture. as for china, it doesn't matter how good their AD is. they simply won't be able to stop a swarm of 30-50 JASSAM that arrive after HARM missiles and MALDs decoys.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think the main use of JASSAM is to degrade during one single attack
              Spamm so many missiles in one attack that the AD counters have to reload. But can't reload in time so a part of the missiles will get trough regardless.
              This could also force your opponent to spread out their AD less so make sure they can cover each other in order to deal with spamm attacks. Which in turn means that they cover less area.

              They'd also make very short work of the chinese little manmade islands.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Spamm so many missiles in one attack that the AD counters have to reload. But can't reload in time so a part of the missiles will get trough regardless.

                don't forget that MALDS go in first. they'll be the fist to stimulate AD and then after that the HARMs arrive. the JASSAMs will be the last of their worries

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bold of you to assume either has any AD "network" when the US is literally the only name in battlefield data integration and is the only one using it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that video's was just a test run btw. the US has been making about 500 JASSAMS each year for some years now. and an attack would look something like this animation

            Explain to a noguns like me why a dropping missiles from a cargo plane is supposed to be mind blowing technology

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The USAF transportation fleet takes up more fuel than all of its combat aircraft. The ability to just drop high capability cruise missiles from any of them at any time safely (ie with standoff) is an insane gamechanger. You don't need to allocate the worn out B-2/B-1/B-52 fleet or do complicated shit with F-15Es and tankers, you can just cut the payload of a C-17 going to europe by 80% then have it dump a few JASSMs out the back and go on its way.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but why is it an "ability" in the first place? Why couldn't it be done 3 decades or more ago?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hadn't build it yet

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No need. Look up what the USAF fighter and tanker fleet looked like in 1990.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkroaches must feel like total fricking morons for getting themselves kicked out of the F-35 program in order to buy fricking S400s lmao. Can you imagine making that huge of mistake?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In retrospect it seems like a huge self-own, but consider it from the Turks’ perspective.
      1. Your connected MIC owners want S-400 so they can copy the tech and sell their own portfolio of products enabled by that tech.
      2. You didn’t think the U.S. would REALLY boot you out of F-35 program, but even if they did you;re being told how much more profitable it would be to get the S-400 tech — because being in the F-35 program just means getting the plane and some support industries you don’t get any of the tech.
      So it was about the tech they could take from the S-400, not just trading sone SAM system for a 5th gen fighter. If they had known for certain that they’d get booted out of the F-35 program (and later get denied Patriots when it turned out the S-400 was useless in Syria) they may not have went in that direction.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SPYDER is probabbly good since it fires python-5 missiles. although it can't engage ballistic missiles

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you don't need good air defense when you don't have anything valuable to protect

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    always been

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    speaking of russian AD, new sat images of the aftermath of the attack on a russian air-defence battery dropped.

    all the S300/S400 systems have been removed . there are also multiple craters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they placed AD there to do AD what happens when there is no AD at the place where they need AD?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More smoking incidents for sure.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russian AD is one of the biggest scams in history
    no fly zone in ukraine, when?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no fly zone in ukraine, when?
      Russians are practically enforcing a no-fly zone in Russia.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more russian getting killed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek meant more russian AD getting destroyed. not that russians aren't getting killed right now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BAVOVNA
      A
      V
      O
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      N
      A

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty like old fashioned Hollywood fireworks.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, it’s a scam, but how else is the Western MIC supposed to justify its spending if we don’t have a boogeyman? We wouldn’t be on our 4th Gen of stealth bombers if we didn’t pretend that Russia is scary.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sneed about it, Kumar

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’m just stating facts. Western tech is alien tier compared to thirdies, but it only got that way thanks to copious amounts of (expensive) R&D. I’m glad our doctrine is to overestimate our enemies and underestimate ourselves. It prevents us from being caught off guard (at least for the overwhelming majority of the time)
        America is on the 4the gen of stealth bombers, while Russia, NK, China, and Iran haven’t even made a single stealth bomber. And as the Ukie war has proven, Western AD (not even being used in conjunction with western Airborne Interceptor) is able to seat their shit out of the sky.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >4the gen of stealth bombers
          third gen, no?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, my bad.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kinda unrelated but I don't want to spam the board.
    Can the F-16 help with the anti-air effort, namely the MIG31s and the Tu-22s that are in charge of Kinzhals? They're detected the moment they take off, but how far away do they launch the missiles from and can the F-16 equipped with the correct AA take care of them?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God I hope so. Would be peak comedy to get a few 16s to spam anti air missiles and hit a few of those missile slingers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, those are fired from inside of russia and ukraine is not getting newest AMRAAMs. They just don't have the range. But if they get connected to NATO datalink they should stop most of russian aircraft from flying near the front line (like su34). But yeah they will be mostly used for SEAD and launching cruise missiles. Don't expect any air battles like during the first week.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian AD is so good that a BUK unit inside Kursk province, Russia got blown up by a Ukrainian drone today.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Osinttechnical/status/1786065509877682416#m

    This is why the board got raided so bad today.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tries to put out smoldering SAM with a fire hose
      Interesting strategy.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    S-400 failed because it detected its target wasn't a civilian airliner.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because
    >Intelligence+Technology>

    [...]

    everything else
    In conventional warfare, that was the point of the Second Offset and the reason why Soviet planners started to shift their posture around the mid 1980s and shat their pants once they saw what happened in the Gulf War. If I can simply locate your radars through any kind of means and then send a wave of missiles precise enough to directly destroy them, you are basically done for since you don't really expect an attack when the intelligence collection has been done passively.

    Another thing might be whether you need to actively operate within AA, then you have other tools for that, but for constantly attriting enemy forces by targeting the nodes and high value parts? Fear the E8 not the F35

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fear the E8
      The growler and prowler are second rate naval aviation assets whose shortcomings are made up for with gratuitous amounts of tomahawk missiles. Wild Weasels in Ukraine soon, about to show Russoids how SNEED is done

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The growler and prowler are second rate naval aviation assets whose shortcomings are made up
        Weren't they made up with generous amounts of EW equipment? After all, the point about them isn't how old the airframes are but how powerful their equipment is in jamming and deceiving radars.

        I swear that the only reasons Russia hasn't been freedomned is because of nukes, China and being such a shithole that no one wants to deal with refugees and guerrillas in another case of battle for nowherestan.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is it because the radars are not looking up at the atacms which is coming down?

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