Launching these from planes made kind of sense as it boosted it's range out a little bit, launching an unstabilised , jury-rigged psuedo-missile with the same range as a TOS from the ground does not.
Because the accuracy of such a weapon can best be described as "Somewhere over there-ish".
It's a short-burst jet engine that will use all of its power to get up into the sky, with the range depending on the angle of a manually adjusted firing ramp, which will also determine whether it's possible for the glide bomb to, well, glide. Gliding is a way of maintaining momentum which is why they work when dropped from a fast-flying plane, but not for, say, a mortar shell, which is what these will serve as by the sound of things.
Disposable siege mortars which have just as much chance to fall on Russian positions as they do Ukrainian ones.
They have a frickload of S-75s laying around with bigboy boosters so they could get decent range out of them without needing to produce any boosters.
I'm also
>Russia will
I know they should be fully capable of mass producing simple glide bombs with a booster rocket but there are many things they should have been able to do over the last 2 years.
I'll believe it when I see a dozen fired at once.
Range isn't so much of an issue as it's lack of accuracy is.
As I discussed in
Because the accuracy of such a weapon can best be described as "Somewhere over there-ish".
It's a short-burst jet engine that will use all of its power to get up into the sky, with the range depending on the angle of a manually adjusted firing ramp, which will also determine whether it's possible for the glide bomb to, well, glide. Gliding is a way of maintaining momentum which is why they work when dropped from a fast-flying plane, but not for, say, a mortar shell, which is what these will serve as by the sound of things.
Disposable siege mortars which have just as much chance to fall on Russian positions as they do Ukrainian ones.
the primary issue is that the launch angle means that gliding part won't work well, if at all, which means they are not going to have much, if any, control of where the bomb goes once it's airborne.
The launching platforms chosen to mount these, Tornados (AKA Smerch) also are not ideal, as it removes a good chunk of Russian MLRS capability out of the fight to convert them into what will be by necessity specialist vehicles instead of their current role of mass area-denial weapons. The Ural is a solid platform, but it is no HIMARS and trying to use it as one will not end well as the crew will not be allowed to be as independent as a HIMARS team and the will be bogged down by its own logistics train.
Because of this, the only practical way they could get use out of this would be to set up mini-launch sites across the front line and hope to hell they can fire off all of the stockpile before running away from the inevitable counter-battery fire and drone swarms.
It can do damage, sure, but I don't think it will be worth the additional logistical burden and the last thing a poor mobik needs is even more HE stuffed into his BMP with him as he trundles down the road to his next squatting point.
Russia’s GLONASS is infamously inaccurate, when you add jamming it’s actually worse than INS. Ukraine was one of the technical leaders of the original GLONASS system, which Russia hasn’t actually really changed. They know exactly how to jam them and counter their signal-boosting operations.
Just like Russian’s flooding GPS targeting (even with SAASM), Ukraine is jamming their bombs and making it difficult to accurately target. It’s one of the main weaknesses Russia has with it’s ISTAR.
>Russia’s GLONASS is infamously inaccurate
Unreliable maybe, but it's sufficiently accurate for a half ton bomb. Jamming gets harder and harder, russia recently started using CRPA antennas capable of generating more than one null so simply spamming the frontline with aliexpress modules is not sufficient. I don't think ukies discovered any flaw in military GLONASS signal you could use to reduce the processing gain to zero, otherwise those antennas would never work in the first place yet russians keep pursuing the concept and still having some successes
And it can detect spoofing* so it's more problematic. Ukies have a sophisticated way to subtly spoof the system (shaheds) but it seems that it requires some time as it's limited to the accumulated drift of the INS (they spoof the altitude to cause a crash, with shaheds is easy compared to glide bombs).
Even if this system is far worse than a western equivalent complacency is a sin.
>* is the Kometa-B based on the shahed GNSS receiver? suspiciously they share a lot of components like the agile transceiver and the Kintex 7 FPGA. Russia has been developed the Kometa family since the 2012 (commercially, since 2007 as academic project) but older system apparently they're inferior (they were overly optimistic with the J/S and spoofing detection).
There's a really good RUSI report on this. >https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/jamming-jdam-threat-us-munitions-russian-electronic-warfare
Russia is spamming powerful jammers all along the front, not just antennas. By sheer force they can interrupt the JDAM SAASM system. This however has increased GLONASS interference as well, since those signals are also cluttered. It's a double-edged sword to simply spam such systems because Ukraine has anti-EW teams dedicated to hitting those jammers, which are not plentiful.
Also don't forget Ukraine captured a functioning Krasukha-4 during the Kyiv front, which may have had an impact on finding counters to Russian EW efforts.
>Russia will
I know they should be fully capable of mass producing simple glide bombs with a booster rocket but there are many things they should have been able to do over the last 2 years.
I'll believe it when I see a dozen fired at once.
By the time the Russians area ready to send T-90s there will already be a T-9000 Benchod rolling off the assembly line in some 1mil pop village in Schwarmastan.
I think if they have the rocket motors to launch them, and the accuracy is there, then this could be a worry for Ukraine.
However, I suspect the accuracy/reliability of the bombs is variable.
And, I suspect the reliability of the rocket motors used to launch them may also be a problem.
But, we'll wait and see. Like so many Russian threats, it may not materialize.
GLONASS ! Tremendous ! It'll be lucky to actually hit the ground you stupid fricking pajeet !
Calm your breasts impotent troll.
we know you discovered the word "impotent" from your doctor today, but take it easy
Your reaction just proved its potency, Ivan.
Launching these from planes made kind of sense as it boosted it's range out a little bit, launching an unstabilised , jury-rigged psuedo-missile with the same range as a TOS from the ground does not.
Why not? The rockets are probably cheaper than flying aircraft near the frontline.
Because the accuracy of such a weapon can best be described as "Somewhere over there-ish".
It's a short-burst jet engine that will use all of its power to get up into the sky, with the range depending on the angle of a manually adjusted firing ramp, which will also determine whether it's possible for the glide bomb to, well, glide. Gliding is a way of maintaining momentum which is why they work when dropped from a fast-flying plane, but not for, say, a mortar shell, which is what these will serve as by the sound of things.
Disposable siege mortars which have just as much chance to fall on Russian positions as they do Ukrainian ones.
They have a frickload of S-75s laying around with bigboy boosters so they could get decent range out of them without needing to produce any boosters.
I'm also
so I doubt it'll happen but it is possible.
Range isn't so much of an issue as it's lack of accuracy is.
As I discussed in
the primary issue is that the launch angle means that gliding part won't work well, if at all, which means they are not going to have much, if any, control of where the bomb goes once it's airborne.
The launching platforms chosen to mount these, Tornados (AKA Smerch) also are not ideal, as it removes a good chunk of Russian MLRS capability out of the fight to convert them into what will be by necessity specialist vehicles instead of their current role of mass area-denial weapons. The Ural is a solid platform, but it is no HIMARS and trying to use it as one will not end well as the crew will not be allowed to be as independent as a HIMARS team and the will be bogged down by its own logistics train.
Because of this, the only practical way they could get use out of this would be to set up mini-launch sites across the front line and hope to hell they can fire off all of the stockpile before running away from the inevitable counter-battery fire and drone swarms.
It can do damage, sure, but I don't think it will be worth the additional logistical burden and the last thing a poor mobik needs is even more HE stuffed into his BMP with him as he trundles down the road to his next squatting point.
Russia’s GLONASS is infamously inaccurate, when you add jamming it’s actually worse than INS. Ukraine was one of the technical leaders of the original GLONASS system, which Russia hasn’t actually really changed. They know exactly how to jam them and counter their signal-boosting operations.
Just like Russian’s flooding GPS targeting (even with SAASM), Ukraine is jamming their bombs and making it difficult to accurately target. It’s one of the main weaknesses Russia has with it’s ISTAR.
>Russia’s GLONASS is infamously inaccurate
Unreliable maybe, but it's sufficiently accurate for a half ton bomb. Jamming gets harder and harder, russia recently started using CRPA antennas capable of generating more than one null so simply spamming the frontline with aliexpress modules is not sufficient. I don't think ukies discovered any flaw in military GLONASS signal you could use to reduce the processing gain to zero, otherwise those antennas would never work in the first place yet russians keep pursuing the concept and still having some successes
And it can detect spoofing* so it's more problematic. Ukies have a sophisticated way to subtly spoof the system (shaheds) but it seems that it requires some time as it's limited to the accumulated drift of the INS (they spoof the altitude to cause a crash, with shaheds is easy compared to glide bombs).
Even if this system is far worse than a western equivalent complacency is a sin.
>* is the Kometa-B based on the shahed GNSS receiver? suspiciously they share a lot of components like the agile transceiver and the Kintex 7 FPGA. Russia has been developed the Kometa family since the 2012 (commercially, since 2007 as academic project) but older system apparently they're inferior (they were overly optimistic with the J/S and spoofing detection).
There's a really good RUSI report on this.
>https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/jamming-jdam-threat-us-munitions-russian-electronic-warfare
Russia is spamming powerful jammers all along the front, not just antennas. By sheer force they can interrupt the JDAM SAASM system. This however has increased GLONASS interference as well, since those signals are also cluttered. It's a double-edged sword to simply spam such systems because Ukraine has anti-EW teams dedicated to hitting those jammers, which are not plentiful.
Also don't forget Ukraine captured a functioning Krasukha-4 during the Kyiv front, which may have had an impact on finding counters to Russian EW efforts.
>Russia will
I know they should be fully capable of mass producing simple glide bombs with a booster rocket but there are many things they should have been able to do over the last 2 years.
I'll believe it when I see a dozen fired at once.
>with a CEP of 10km
fricking V1's were probably more accurate
SAAAR! RUSSIAN HARDWARE NUMBER 1 SAAAR!
Do you think indian troll farms have to desperately shill in the hopes that russia will send them the T-90 Bhichlasagna model that they paid for
By the time the Russians area ready to send T-90s there will already be a T-9000 Benchod rolling off the assembly line in some 1mil pop village in Schwarmastan.
GLONASS?
More like
BLOWNASS from all the gay rape.
Ahuehuehuehue
I think if they have the rocket motors to launch them, and the accuracy is there, then this could be a worry for Ukraine.
However, I suspect the accuracy/reliability of the bombs is variable.
And, I suspect the reliability of the rocket motors used to launch them may also be a problem.
But, we'll wait and see. Like so many Russian threats, it may not materialize.
> the accuracy is there
Spoiler alert: it isn’t.
why didn't they capitalize the R in Russia?
It's been demoted from a noun to a verb.
have a nice day shill
Troll post.
Can they reach Poland?
>glonass
wheat fields in ukraine are in shambles
Hilarious open muns storage. They can't even be arsed to build revetments. Massing support vehicles is also moronic.
>glonass guidance and gliding kits
>glonass guidance
I pray I never have the misfortune of being in the building next to one of these things targets