This is Shahed drone.
It has bomb in the front, 50hp engine in the back and wings on sides. Making one costs 20k-50k. In terms of mass produced, military kamikaze drones, you can't get any more primitive.
Russia paid 1750000000$ in gold for this technology. I know T-14 or SU-57 was a meme even pre-war. I know that due to sanctions Russian technology is going back in time, but much does it actually went that they had to pay shittone of gold for something that looks like a student's project?
I know it's easy to shit on Russians currently, but literally, how did someone justified paying billions for the most primitive drone technology imaginable to his supervisor, when that supervisor just expected bazillions of SU-57 and T-14 to be build in-house?
>Why?
Desperation
>Why?
Because someone in procurement pocketed several million off it
>That's roughly the same price as getting 15 F-35s
Or 44 SU-35 (bringing Russian standards). That's not the point. Point is: how do you pay for a technology that is so primitive? I know a hammer is in general more useful than a pistol, but once you have a pistol factory, you should already have figured it out on how to make a hammer.
Nice price list, now list the capabilities of each listed drone vs shahsneed.
Funny when you think this shit drone was made in Germany in the early 80s against soviet radar and can be seen in museums.
So they paid 2 billion dollars for knowhow of making a drone that is cheaper than it's 30 year old counterpart... and?
My question is: how didn't they have brainpower to figure it out how to attach a bomb to a lawn mower engine with wings? This is exactly what some Iranian engineering students did few years before - and Russians just paid 2 billion dollar for this.
The Lancet company makes same drones as this. It's probably to keep good connections with Iran.
Turn key solutions cost money
Iran gave them electrical schematics, structural blueprints, etc. With a list of instructions translated by Google into Russian on how to assemble them.
>Iran gave them electrical schematics, structural blueprints, etc. With a list of instructions translated by Google into Russian on how to assemble them.
But it's not rocket science (I mean literally). If Russians have industry that is capable of designing and building planes, they should've figure it out all by themselves for far less than 2 billion dollars. Less than 2 million probably.
I'm not even talking about reverse engineering that thing - I'm talking about building something superior/cheaper. They were 2nd exporter of military equipment until very recently.
>actually Iran specified US Dollars
From my understanding deal was settled in US Dollars, but paid in gold, as Russians really don't want to give up on their reserves of USish cash (they need it to stabilize ruble).
>Making one costs 20k-50k
>nonsense
C'mon, objectively it should cost even less than that. However I understand that military equipment is generally overpriced and when Russia eventually buys license for pic related from Houthis, it'll cost them probably over 100k per piece.
that picture is a bad example even if it's meant as a joke
>like it harmed Russia in the slightest
T-55
look at the shit they are fielding
>BUT WHAT ABOUT AMERICA
The script is getting old. However the funniest part is that this still proves that Russians project everything.
mines -that's why they always go in one line
no trained crews available
being scared of NATO wunderwaffe Javelin
Its the location, if you look at the T-62s lost in 2024 the majority are lost in killzones like Krynky
>the majority are destroyed where majority of fighting occurs
Krynky is almost entirely flooded so whatever vehicles you drive there you already know its going to be a loss
Could have bought this german 1970/80s tech for a dime before 2014... kek.
At this point, they reactivate any and all tanks they can find.
At this point T-72/80 that are in good condition and rarer than good condition T-62 so older tanks are used while newer ones get fixed for use.
I know this picture is a joke but i wanna be nerd.
What about cost of training of crew for every trebuchet, logistics of bringing in projectiles.
Would that make it more expensive than one Abrams? It should probably.
Ding ding ding and we have a winner here, all these idiots shilling for le cheap numerical superiority show they know shit about logistics, the Soviet Union attempted to play this concept to its fullest and we all know how it ended. Quantity not always have a quality of its own.
>4 people for abrams
>4 people for trebuchet
logistics for 40k people + ammo for 10k of trebuchets + moving 10k units and 40k people
vs 1 abrams
>drone gets shot down
>zigger dies from himars
They use them as SPGs and a T-55 sitting there firing shells all day doesn't make a great video.
maybe a way to support the iranian regime, maybe they are legit moronic and can't figure it out, at this point I don't know
1 year later, Ukraine starts droning refineries lmao
homosexuals should have done from the start and not drone moscow
they are so lucky russians are moronic
This, those drones are so shit, all it takes is a shitty electric engine + battery, a couple of remote control flaps, and an explosive head to build, can build it really cheaply and do insane damage while the counter is a 1000 times more expensive. Fly 50 of them into anything and you will overrun any air defense russia has.
ukraine is bombing refineries in the volga as of last week.
akshually if you reverse roles and donate Ukraine 5000 shaheeds this would be literally Holocaust in Russia. But Western MIC can't offer what Iranians can.
The Russians have corruption problem. They also have a brain drain problem. Russians are/ were also desperate for something quick. All of the Russian drones that I have seen look like stolen designs, so Russia might not have that much experience designing drones.
Russians also had a problem with commie moron thinking, which lead them to believe technology is a bad thing.
>So imagine how fricking overpriced amerimutt garbage is
Amerimutt garbage shoots hellfire missiles.
Also speaking of big drones, where's the bayraktar?
Those also cost 200 wood on top of the gold, and Soigu would steal all the wood.
>long range strike capability is still expensive
this cope again
it causes no damage it's all civilians buildings
>drone costs $200k
>causes damage of $20k
it was all worth it
I suppose that explains the massive PR campaign they ran for it, kek
>ethical implications
>weapons kill people
>people die when they are killed
one costs 20k-50k
>nonsense
it's a big RC plane with a bomb
Yes and it's manufactured by a country that is under sanctions and still wants to make a profit. The parts may be 20k, but the end cost to russians is tenfold.
Knowing Russia, it will probably keep the same 375k price during domestic production. Manufacturer is a state, so it will basically pay itself, and this 375k will count as a gpd. When Putin said growith is 5.5%, then gdp must grow by 5.5% and there are only so many way to fake these numbers.
There are reports that Russia started using students as a workforce, so they don't need to add workhours to their costs.
So edgy, did you remember to wear your death metal T-shirt this morning kid?
Oh, you're just a common garden variety moron edgelord then.
>15 F-35s, which imo is less useful than those drones
>W Iran
>L zog
just say W putin rizz while we are at it
>If it was really that simple
it's literally that simple
>Russia could do it themselves
they can homosexual
>Russia paid 2 billion
it's money laundering homosexual
it's wayyyy too obvious that you're a larping moron and probably underageb&
The real value of the Shahed is the AI targeting software that runs on FPGAs ripped from stolen korean washing machines.
(You)
>You won’t do shit and can’t do shit
whatever will I do
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1755223194250723599
It's over Lancet Pajeet
>Ukraine is developing its own analogue of the Russian Lancet kamikaze drone. The drone will be able to hit targets at a distance of up to 40km, Deputy Prime Minister for Digital Transformation Fedorov said. He noted that testing is already underway.
Probably far more effective than Puccia's version when they get sent to the front too. We're gonna see Total Artillery Death on levels unheard of yet.
they have a 500mm penetration warhead. double of the fpv drones.
Russia paid nothing for this, because it was originally Russian.
The "we will buy iran drones" routine was made so that wect would not be able to pin the planned drone attacks of Iran on western targets on Russians.
The next thing would be not even hypersonics, but mine littering on the aircarrier groups to deny the crew entrance to the upper decks.
Why do you sound just like the poojeets false flagging as democrat shills?
>a literal child replying to itself to cope
>Claims to be a vet
>Constantly denigrates vets
Hmmmmm
ngl it's kind of cathartic to see a post this absurdly edgy in 2024 with zero irony behind it
Also you're bad at samegayging
but have a (You) anyway
video is african elite children learning how to war in Russian officer academies
can't attest for the quality, but many african aristocratic families send their sons there, as they actually learn there how to war, not how to buy gun porn trash
>Russian officer academies
>learn there how to war
I highly fricking doubt it
>the post called out for samegayging is also crossed out
another L for Z
>at least we know there a baby boom coming for the Russians
(You)
>casually Scam Russia out of over 27.100 metric tons of gold
iranbros how are we doing?
this is over a month old but the lines are still the same, so just add some more carnage and there's your status
What are you stupid fricks gonna do, tase yourself in the balls to death again for that ketchup demigod of yours? lmao
stuff that didn't happen moronic pig
It did happen, but to Wagner which is one of the reason Priggy chimped out.
Oh so you're not a larping underageb&, you're an actual genuine schizo who got a dishonorable discharge after threatening to murder his commanding officer. I see.
>least unhinged american supporter of puccia
>weak points of the US Bradley
you are really a moron
moronic pig why are you so desperate to convince people that moronic russian pigs are not losing?
it'll never get old that the once mighty russia now has to go begging to iran and north korea for wunderwaffen.
>being able to provide air superiority is less valuable than terror drones that get shot down 90% of the time and have accomplished literally nothing on the battlefield
of note, they still don't have air dominance within the immediacy of their borders
but they fricked the ukies hard at they were First used
Holy heck are you suggesting that surprise and massed long range strikes are effective tools???
If only the Russians were capable of doing either now!
They were overblown to shit by ziggers when they were first used.
btw another factory got hit
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1755226922844315921
moronic pig why are you so desperate to convince people that moronic russian pigs are not losing?
>talichads used to say they were soup cans
hey vatBlack person, bradleys were never in afghanistan. goddamn the paid russian trolls are hilariously poor quality, just like the rest of their military. just non stop comedy gold.
For the curious, there was another ineffective chimpout today. This looks particularly bad now with the price of sneed drones now known.
Expect local vatniks to claim every intercept was by a Patriot while derailing threads like his one.
Russia also blocked banana imports from Ecuador because they made a deal to send their Soviet equipment to the US (sending to Ukraine) in exchange for $200 million worth of new equipment. Now Monke has to buy banan from India.
>bananas stained with feces
Fricking hell
It's basically all they can do with the rupees they've been getting in exchange for oil. India won't approve export of anything useful for the war.
if the pic is accurate then that's 3 million US dollars in just shaheds alone
can anyone ITT remind me how much NATO Standard 35×228mm costs again?
>5 F-35s, which imo is less useful than those drones
There it is, the most moronic post of February, and it's only day 7 of the month. This will not be beaten all month.
>doesn't even support trump politically, just out of pure frustration
>repeating his Bradley schizo babble over and over again
you really got mindbroken hard
so when are you beheading your dad?
Call me when you use your Shasneeds for anything other than to bomb apartment buildings maybe then we'll know how useful your lawnmowers actually are in modern combat.
The Ukrainian MODs claims have been pretty good mostly, with the very occasional clanger.
Meanwhile Russia is still claiming Moskva returned to port under it's own power.
Where is Gerasimov btw?
Gerasimov is enjoying an extended weekend at Sokolov's place.
cool projection, we know poltards like you have a troon-tier suicide rate, if not even higher
The claimed intercept rate is quite mundane, low even.
you're a tourist + brown so you wouldn't know much about that.
It's hilarious to me that you think anyone buys your story of being active duty. You're so childish you don't even realise how silly your claims look.
Did you also punch out a drill sergeant? They were too afraid of you to make you do push ups?
>can’t have the lads having too much fun now
Oh god it's a bong. I'm so sorry you all had to see this. I think it may be one of the brown bongs though.
t. Other bong.
>It's actually a jeet
imagine my shock
>manlet Bench Appearo
grow up kid, one day you'll realize that you were played for a fool by grifters
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/1698074501314438.gif/
>meme flags
You're lying about everything you said ITT
Well, laughingjew.gif has convinced me russia is strong and not losing embarassingly.
>keeps projecting UKR suicide when we have weekly vatnik suicide threads
damn, living rent free
>shaheed
Remember when they used a dead Russian tank to shill this?
Please stop. It's so awkward watching you. The second hand embarrassment and spaghetti is off the scales.
Those are some nice graves, it’s nice they aren’t in ones that got paved over for a road
300 zelenskys and 10 boris johnsons are also trapped there, very sad
Omg that is TERRIBLE
In how many units of time can we expect total hohol collapse?
Between 10 and 15 days.
Don’t worry F-16s and the incoming $100 billion will help them out.
Sure thing "lad". Keep trying to sprinkle in references to
Supporters of Russia are enemies of humanity
>trolled by NAFO troons so hard he copied their maymay .gif
free rent, and rent free
>your army
Come on man, you are typing it out, larping isn’t that hard
>This chuggie larping as a soldoer having a meltdown
Not so good with your hands when its not jerking to e-girl porn eh?
Why are they always so dysgenic? Literally bottom of the barrel genetic trash. Yuck.
Spiteful mutants
Idk get on your knees and beg Kim for more and we'll see
Second army of the world btw
When you're used to posting in an open sewer where threads are twitch chat tier just spewing streams of the same low thought edgy opinions you begin to mentally think like a chat member more than an individual. Because disagreeing results in you getting brigaded with insults it encourages a rigid dogmatic belief system.
Tell me with a straight face this isn't the same Black person as picrel in
I cant lie to you like that
I'm sure it's been said, but we have PGMs on missiles and bombs dropped from aircraft. We aren't really in the loitering munition game and I doubt we ever seriously will be because loitering munitions are strictly inferior to PGMs... when you have air superiority. If we expected to operate in a sufficiently contested airspace such that loitering munitions start to seem attractive, you can bet your ass that we'd be spending money on air superiority capabilities rather than suicide drones.
>Russia can force people to frick at gunpoint
So why didn’t they before?
>Russia can force people to frick at gunpoint
>So why didn’t they before?
???
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/14/russia.lukeharding
That homosexual seems to have run away after being exposed lmao
>how dare you use your board as intended instead of making them all massive cesspools of moronation
Gee, i wonder
>Even if we fail in our goals at least we weakened America for Puccia
You arent even trying to larp as a human with goals, westerners arent suicidal slavs.
I’m guessing this is real because of all the seething attempts to derail
It likely is. Ive seen proofsters, a gorillion right wingers are russian traitors slide threads and some cope projections on Ukraine since these shascam threads came up.
You couldnt even leave your basement for tendies lol
>old Putain posted
Why you didn't post latest Putain?
Or just donthe white person thing and rig up the car so you can live to do it again
>white person thing
what is the purpose in that? we're larping as ragheads here, being suicidal is part of the package.
Good luck with whatever edgy terminal contrarianism episode you're having
>"technology"
>rc enthusiasts can like build you far better and more advanced drones for far cheaper
>can be shot down for cheap by SPAAGs
was this shit just an excuse so putin could steal more?
>That's roughly the same price as getting 15 F-35s, which imo is less useful than those drones
Your opinion is fricking moronic, and you should seriously consider going to a doctor about that.
all of the drones you linked are multiple use, while shahed is single use.
A single hellfire missile costs as much as a Shahed.
And it would be better comparision than multiple use drones linked, so why link image with them instead of hellfire?
Range of a hellfire is 10 km, so you can't use it to hit positions behind enemy lines without sending the expensive drone behind enemy lines. Plus, the warhead is much smaller on a hellfire.
dont need a huge warhead when you have a tiny CEP. hell we took the warhead out and replaced it with knives because we didnt need a warhead to kill one guy.
It can also target things other than defenseless civilian buildings.
Turns out being able to actually hit something comes at a premium.
Anon,the targeting computer on the F-16 allowed it to fire dumb bombs with precision close to that of PGMs.The F-35 has even better hardware,so those 15 would be the same as 15k JDAMs for the russians.
>conveniently forget Desert storm and all those Israel against its neighbors wars
moron
Are you one of these morons that think the 7 Day War was fake?
>some goatherders in a pickup or some kids at a wedding
that's what the typical anti-US movement amounts to.
Sadly no, even if nominally free they still have an economic value due laws of supply and demand, no it doesnt matter if you dont believe in them, like gravity they are inexorable because its just thermodynamics and causality seen from another angle, hence why in the end all these alternative economic models always come crashing.
>has to cook up what ifs to cope with the L
Lol
>nooo its not fair because every american enemy is too weak and pathetic
guess every american enemy shouldn't be weak and pathetic then, this includes russia and iran btw.
>Black person zoomer thinks he's a vet
what timeline is this.
Ech what got blown up in russia today due past days shills are on hyper coke kohodyl bender or did something scary arrived from Europe since burger bros geting cucked by some LARPing homosexual who thinks he's a Christian
There's been a lotta buzz in the media about the situation becoming dire in awkdivka so there's been a recent online mobilization to try and capitalize on some good old demoralization
I mean that's kinda true there that adievka will fall without artilery fraging on masses but ukies trying to offset that situacion with drones and other cheep shit they can make let's hope they can hold on to make as painfull as posable to russian zerg rushes just like bakhmut and minimize damage to surrounding towns
>gets shot down by pic related
Putin probably gets his financial advice from PrepHole
>Making one costs 20k-50k
You'd think it would cost $2k-5k.
Aircraft grade rotax engine aint cheap
https://www.twz.com/bizarre-theft-wave-targets-same-rotax-engines-used-in-iranian-drones
the way how government contracts work is simple
company A asks for $10M - basic material, low skilled workmanship, lasts 10 years at best, if the stars align
company B asks for $20M - premium materials, skilled workmanship, lasts virtually forever
company C asks for $50M - subcontract company A, keep $20M for yourself and $20M goes to procurement officials
Why the frick are shills working overtime to defend this dogshit drone? It's worthless militarily. The only notable thing it did is kill a low triple digit number of civilians during the entirety of their use.
>military equipment is generally overpriced
>says who?
Says I.
>why?
Because when some country needs e.g. 100 tanks, it will buy 100 tanks. When you feel threatened, you'll buy a gun, no mattter if it costs you 100$ or 1000$.
Government contracts in general are always chance for companies to inflate prices (it's like that in any country, not just corrupted shitholes), but military spendings in particular is a jackpot.
When Iran was using Shaheds in Iraq or Syria it costed them 20 000$ per piece because it's literally bigger rc plane with a bomb attached. When Russia started buying them, price jumped to 375 000$ per piece. So Russia paid 1 750 000 000$ to Iran, and it can now domestically produce them at price of around 50 000$ per piece. And it's all the same 20 000$ rc plane with a bomb.
>if you think that this is at all possible, you totally don't understand finance
You seem to not understand Russia (assuming you're genuine). Meanwhile Rosstat retroactively changed gdp of Russia for 2022, to make it fit their numbers on 2023. They did it by re-counting of assets that are now taken into gdp (but weren't in 2022), but it all started with a stroke of a pen of an ex-commie, economic moron that currently holds the highest position in Russian Federation.
When Chinks give their gdp, they at least try to justify it by some inflated investments done by local governments in each of their provinces. Russians stopped give a frick entirely, as their country turns into oversized Iran/North Korea hybrid. Poor Elvira better starts to avoid higher floors and especially windows.
>as their country turns into oversized Iran/North Korea hybrid
Please don't insult the DPRK and The Islamic Republic by comparing them to Russia.
>Please don't insult the DPRK and The Islamic Republic by comparing them to Russia.
Let's be fair - Iranian quantum processor from Aliexpress was only slightly less ridiculous than Russian dude pretending to be a robot.
But it actually makes sense. Russia is an African country in the way it operates (even how it's economy is based on raw resources, not on actual industry) and at the same time it somehow became biggest country in the world.
African countries have high birth rate for meat wave tactics, but they don't have funds for this NATO nonsense, like "air superiority" or whatever. If African youth was send to western military academies they would be teached on things they would've never had chance to apply.
>Let's be fair - Iranian quantum processor from Aliexpress
Tbf they're describing an algo for AShM that has "quantum" in its name (Quantum-behaved Particle Swarm Optimization), the board itself wasn't important. Twitter journos distorted that topic.
Stop saying that like being an autarky is a bad thing
I'm not. Iran and Norks are autarkies, Russia is isn't.
So many deleted post, what happened this time? Zalu fired?
Black person
mods?
What I'm wondering is what is it about Iran that allows them to produce these by the thousands but not Russia?
It's not sanctions because Iran has been under economic sanctions in some form or another since 1979. They were able to build their kamikaze drone industry IN SPITE of sanctions.
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