Russia might nuke Kyiv this winter to force an end to the war.
How would NATO react?
Since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, there would be no legal justification to retaliate against Russia with nukes.
Russia might nuke Kyiv this winter to force an end to the war. How would NATO react?
>no legal justification
MAD is MAD
Ukraine gave up their nukes, that's why they got invaded dummy. MAD is just AD now.
Starting the story in the middle again.
>Starting the story in the middle
Yes, dummy. It gets to the relative point faster than a >1hr video with the Dawn of Time explanation.
>Ukraine gave up their nukes
That was their first mistake.
Their second mistake was trusting Ruzzia.
Ukraine was the basis for all that 90's fear porn about post soviet states losing control of their nuclear weapons.
Did you even watch the movie? Did you even read the book? Because I don't think you did. Can you tell me where the fissile material for the nuclear device in the narrative came from? I'll wait.
So you agree that Odessa is a Russian city? Interesting.
Anon, you really gotta work on your reading comprehension.
That's not how it works.
They should kill every russian found abroad including kids, I'll join them.
muttisraelites are nuke stealing c**ts
ignorant moron
what this thread AGAIN? how organic
>to force an end to the war
more like force an end to Russia
SIRS
WE WILL BE FORCED TO USE A NOOK
IM GONNA NOOOK
MacArthur had nightmares about the Chinese stealing his greatness.
>Russia might nuke Kyiv this winter
Hello where is proofs? :DDD
>Since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, there would be no legal justification to retaliate against Russia with nukes.
Fricking moron.
Breaking the nuclear taboo makes an immediate full counterforce strike the only rational move for EVERY OTHER nuclear armed nation, including China.
>Breaking the nuclear taboo makes an immediate full counterforce strike the only rational move for EVERY OTHER nuclear armed nation, including China.
Not him but isn't that the rational thing to think?
I mean, you lived a lifetime under nook threats of the ussr and the rocket man. China loves to show their WMDs capabilities, but in a more subtle way. Now that nooks are going off, are you still going to trust that sword over your head?
>Surplus of combat age males
Sounds like a great way to boost military numbers
>10 year Olds are military aged.
Get your throat slit you filthy israelite.
>Russia might nooooook
Yawn
That would result in massive amounts of radioactive material falling in nato members so article 5 would happen and Russia would be decapitated and the nuclear arsenal remaining would be destroyed by any means necessary.
god just fricking do it already you pussies
I have the biggest fricking blue balls over these nuke threats, over 16 months of this bullshit
push the fricking button or frick off
the more you 'boy who cried wolf' this shit the more likely you make it nuclear armed states, probably even china too, will jump in on the retaliation
>I have the biggest fricking blue balls over these nuke threats, over 16 months of this bullshit
More like 70 years of bullshit with no one delivering.
I'll show you this comment again after the nuke actually hit the ground.
>How would NATO react?
Biden already said we would sink the black sea fleet and hit every off soil Russian base. No nuclear retaliation but enough to dissuade them.
>not turning muscow and every city into glass
frick Biden
With all due respect, Biden is utterly full of shit.
The set US response to a First Use of nuclear weapons by a hostile foreign power is and has always been massive retaliation.
We’ve tried running the “limited” nuclear war scenario before and every last (declassified) one has ended in the exact same outcome.
Total nuclear war and the death of billions.
There is no such thing as “limited retaliation” to a nuclear attack, it’s all or nothing,. And “nothing” is already off the table because of the catastrophic blowback it would cause. So “all” is really the only response. Everything else is just fluff to keep the sheeple from panicking.
>reddit frog
Apply this to
1. Throw yourself under an overcrowded train ranjeesh.
2. Russia does not have functioning nuclear weapons. The US uses a figure greater than the entire russian defense budget to maintain a smaller number of missiles than what the ziggers say they have.
As far as I remember, Russia spends roughly the same as the UK who only has like 200~ nukes
If you capitulate to every usage or threat of nukes, in short order you will either be a slave or put yourself in a position such that when you do draw a red line you either won't have the means to enforce it or it won't be taken serious. People act like all the cold war advocates were simply primitive psychos but the reality is it's simply the only rational strategy you can take even if it is risky
>People act like all the cold war advocates were simply primitive psychos
No, only clueless, proudly ignorant children under the impression their moronicness is a virtue because it concerns something "bad" ever thought and still think that way.
NATO isn’t gonna start a nuclear WW3 over Ukraine (who is not a member of NATO)
Realistically, If Russia nukes Kyiv, they will just increase economic sanctions against Russia and call it a day
NATO is gonna start nuclear war over protection of NATO countries. And first counter force strike against nuclear madman is much better than waiting till he first strikes you.
Simple as.
Though vatniks doesn't understand than they move closer and closer to situation when total removal of thee vatnik becomes best option. Frick around and find out.
>over Ukraine
>this moron is so incapable of seeing the bigger picture that he still thinks any of this is just "over Ukraine"
Firstly, Russia will not be satisfied with Ukraine just as they weren't with Crimea, and will absolutely do all this shit all over again at any time/place they think they'll get away with it
Secondly, breaking the nuclear taboo is a huge fricking deal that literally nobody without serious brain damage wants to happen regardless of NATO affiliation; a response is practically obligatory else you set the precedent that any other moron in an unprovoked war of imperialist aggression can lob nooks without a care in the world.
>Firstly, Russia will not be satisfied with Ukraine just as they weren't with Crimea, and will absolutely do all this shit all over again at any time/place they think they'll get away with it
oh holy absolute frick, you think Russia is literally trying to dominate the world, like Dr.Evil from Austin Powers or something?
you truly think that?
what the absolute frick is wrong with polish people?
I truly dont get how your brains got this way
NTA but Putin was quite explicit about wanting to restore "sphere of influence" and asked NATO to withdraw to pre-1991 borders. So yes, Poland, Baltics etc would absolutely be on the menu, especially if NATO proved itself worthless in the meantime.
What would happen from then on can be anyone's guess, but you can be quite sure that it would be shit for everyone, Russians included.
I cannot believe there are people unironically arguing in favor of appeasement in the year of our lord 1939+84.
>"people"
If you value yourself as one of the free men of the West and if the missiles fly, each and every one of you has a moral duty to hunt down every last Russian shill, toadie, and appeaser, and exterminate them like vermin. Armchair Copelord, Scott Ritter, Caitlin Johnstone, any fricker you see wearing a white Z or a Hammer and Sickle, if a single one of them is still breathing, your work ain't done.
It doesn't matter how illegal it is or how you have to do it. Use guns, bayonets, knives, clubs, kill them with your own fricking fists if you have to. The complete and utter eradication of this human plague takes precedence over personal survival.
Line them up against the wall, hang them from the nearest lamppost, drag them from their homes and beat them to death in the middle of the street, the only thing that matters is that not a single one of these fricking parasites survives.
This really.
If Russia forces our hand, and attempt to end the world, everyone on the planet who has sided with them during the case of this entire shit show needs to be made an example of, no more co-existence, no mercy, no respite.
>you think Russia is literally trying to dominate the world, like Dr.Evil from Austin Powers or something?
If Russia doesn't want to be compared to a over the top comedy supervillian they can start by not shelling civilians rescuing shelter kittens from flooding they caused
Your country is either "rightful Russian clay stolen by Anglo-Saxon imperialists", or isn't (yet) close enough to trigger the mafia state's kleptomania.
>we was mongols
>we was latin even aftter latin was latinised
>we was all religions
>we was egyptian gods n shiet
Peter the Great is rolling like a industrial sharpener in his grave.
Don't forget the "we was native americans" part
Apparently the USA is ackshyually theirs too
What they're basically doing is stretching the limitations of "Russian" to it's very limits.
Eurasian steppe nomads are believed to have crossed the pacific during the last ice age and settled to become Native Americans, hence the similiaries in their cultures.
Some moronic Muscovite Vatnik takes that and says "we waz injuns" when you was never injun.
>you think Russia is literally trying to dominate the world
If Russia was the only one with nukes, they'd be glassing cities until everyone around them capitulated and they had an empire from Dublin to Vladivostok. Probably further since they have sellers remorse about Alaska.
Russia is full of revanchists and land-grabbers.
Putin himself has constantly threatened to do so.
Here's how our western brain works: Putin says that he will bring back the old glory of USSR to the heights that it deserved to be, and we believe that he means it. Very simple.
>who is not a member of NATO
IT
DOES
NOT
FRICKING
MATTER
Let me repeat myself since apparently you're hard of hearing or functionally illiterate. If the Russians use nuclear weapons in an unprovoked and unwarranted attack on Ukraine, it completely discredits any notion of that nuclear weapons are a last-resort weapon that would only be used if a nation's very existence was significantly imperiled and legitimizes as a first-resort offensive weapon.
The only way to prevent this from happening is for NATO to respond with a massive counterforce strike to both
A. Deprive Russia of its nuclear weapons, permanently.
B. Send the message that First Use will not be tolerated under any circumstances.
Failure to do so not only solidifies nuclear weapons being used in an offensive role, but completely discredits America as a world power and its word of honor becomes worth less than a bag of shit, which in turn will trigger the total collapse of its sphere of influence, economic implosion, and almost certainly civil war.
The fact you stupid fricking Vatniks are utterly incapable of grasping something as basic as nuclear deterrence is why your army is marching to utter disaster in Ukraine.
How does dead man factor in China? Even they have said no nook.
When was the last time they updated dead man coordinates as well?
>Russia currently has more nukes than NATO combined
And how many of them work?
What state are their delivery systems in?
How many have had the fuel sold off for extra vodka?
>not drinking the nuke fuel
ngmi
You can only drink UDMH once
I can understand the corruption more and more over time. You can either
>Do what you're meant/agreed to do and keep that shithole going
Or
>Loot your own nation / act negligently and get richer/happier now while also improving the chance of Russia collapsing
It's barely even a choice.
Russia should try a new deterrent strategy. Put think tanks, universities and the neighborhoods of the elite on the target list.
>t. dropout
Plebs make no US Government policy decisions.
The alphabet soup agencies should just start disappearing all the Kreml apparatchiks and propagandists family residing in the west and this war would be over shortly.
>b-but muh nooks
They wont do shit because all the zigger spawn have swarmed all of the fricking "rotting west".
>disappearing all the Kreml apparatchiks and propagandists family residing in the west
Keep em, they are disloyal anyway.
we don't want them.
t. The Collective West
>we
yeah he's right he literally speaks for me on this one
>Russia should try a new deterrent strategy. Put think tanks, universities and the neighborhoods of the elite on the target list.
Why would they nuke their children schools and their own houses?
Wow, it seems like we are in for another round of nuke scare threads.
How did Russia frick up now?
Tokmak front is getting less stable for the vatniks and there might be a viable pontoon route across the river from Kherson.
>viable pontoon route across the river from Kherson.
Whatever they try there will still be a river there and they have the same support problem the Russians had on the west bank of the Dnipr.
>Russia currently has more nukes than NATO combined
And how many of those actually work?
do it pussy.
You've seen the state Russian equipment is in? The US spends almost 5 times as much maintaining its smaller nuclear arsenal. I'd be surprised if any of them can fly, hell, I'd be surprised if it coud even float.
As far as I understand it that was a concept that was shelved back in the 80s because not even the Soviets were that crazy. Remember that norwegian science rocket that was mistaken for a ballistic missile? That meltdown was avoided because a launch of the Soviet nuclear arsenal still needed manual input.
Nope
Dead hands switch is still active
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand
If you nuke Russia, Russia will automatically nuke the entire world.
You willing to sacrifice the whole world over ukraine?
Which is why the US' official response should Russia nook is the total destruction of any Russian military asset outside of Russia.
Yes.
>all of the Oligarch children and cash lies abroad
Is Russia?
>source: wikipedia
c'mon homie, would trust it more if you just said you made it the frick up
>You willing to sacrifice the whole world over ukraine?
No, but to end Russia yes.
Neither Dead Hand nor the weapons it's allegedly attached to work.
Why is Russia willing to sacrifice the world because of their failed war of aggression on a neighbor? Why are they history's biggest pussies?
Well look at that. It is still normally turned off tho as it should be, since some error might send nukes flying otherwise, and I doubth even the general staff trust Russian electronics that much. Sure, if Russia nukes someone they will probably turn it on before that.
>however, as of 2009, it was said to remain fully functional and able to serve its purpose when needed
Somehow I doubth that, but I dont want to find out either
simping for bumbling supervillains eh
>be me
>my city is hit with a nuke
>die happy knowing that all of Russia will cease to exist within the hour
I'm willing to sacrifice anything to turn Russia into glass
I miss those threads.
why did you not volunteer then? I'll pay if you need money for the flight
>Dead hands switch is still active
Vacuum tubes don't last 30 years, especially Russian ones
It is extremely unlikely that system is still active(assuming it ever was), or it would have accidentally activated by now and we'd all be dead. Russians can't maintain anything.
>In 2018, Colonel General Viktor Yesin [ru], the former chief of Russia's Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, stated that the Perimeter system might become ineffective in the wake of the United States' withdrawal from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.[24][25]
Why nuke Russia? US Air Force alone could completely destroy 100% of their military capabilities within a month.
>You willing to sacrifice the whole world over ukraine?
Russian nucklear counter strike options is very weak (unlike US that has 8 SSBNs at sea). After counterforce strike they would have 200-300 warhead left. That is no near close to "nuking all world". millions would die sure but it better than letting Russians frist strike you with 1500 warheads.
Russians are moving to their total extinction event and Don't see it coming with all their tough guy mafia posturing.
>You willing to sacrifice the whole world over ukraine?
If Russia as a country ceases to exist, yes.
Destroying Russia as a country is worth nothing
Destroying Russians as a race, now I’d buy that for a dollar!
>You willing to sacrifice the whole world over ukraine?
I like how Russians always parrot this same line over and over as if they'd ever stop at just Ukraine
If Dead Hand worked as advertised then when that asteroid hit Russia back in 2013 then we should have all been killed because that should have activated Dead Hand.
Are you saying we all got nuked in 2013 and the rest of everything didn't happen?
Or maybe Dead Hand, like the rest of the supposed Soviet Wonderweapon DOESN'T EXIST
Nah, Russia would become a pariah state with zero power projection.
>blah blah they already are
Not really. And realistically they'll probably win a grinding war against ukraine anyways unless something big happens.
>invade ukraine
INTERFERE AND WE WILL NOOK
>feint of kyiv
INTERFERE AND WE WILL NOOK
>gesture of goodwill
INTERFERE AND WE WILL NOOK
>Moskva sinks
WE WILL OF NOOKS!
>Kharkiv counteroffensive
STOP SENDING WEAPONS WE WILL NOOK
>Kherson collapse
INTERFERE AND WE WILL NOOK
>Wagner clown coup
Look NATO srsly if these guys take over they might nook
jej
Russia should just save the rest of the world the time & effort and nuke itself.
>How would NATO react?
Faking peace negotiations, then launching a 'nuclear ambush' with forward stealth assets, followed by a general strategic saturation attack. China would probably even get in on that since they don't want the street-shitters to get the idea that their border skirmishes could be solved with a mushroom cloud.
>legal
This doesn't matter. Legal justification will be invented ex post facto. It won't save the surviving Russians from the death camps.
Why doesn't NATO or the US just announce that the Ukrainians are getting JASSM minutes before every russian ammo depot and command post gets vaporised by one?
we had this thread last night and you made exactly the same arguments and are now pretending to remember absolutely nothing
what did Hitler say about debating israelites on the street corner?
Something about TZD if I remember right.
>Russia currently has more nukes than NATO combined
NATO has more cities than Russia can destroy. Russia has like... two, maybe three cities of any importance.
>okay guys, bombing random civilians in Kyiv hasn't worked so far
>what if we bomb a LOT of random civilians in Kyiv that'll end the war for sure
To be fair, this has been their tactic.
I don't disagree Russia might at some point be stupid or desperate enough to throw a spicy Iskander at Kyiv. What I disagree with is the idea Ukraine will immediately capitulate instead of going full Mossad and murdering Putin's children abroad.
What is either pure moronation or a shitty bait is this whole concept of "WE CAN NOOK KIEV AND NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT THEY'RE TOO SCARED I WIN YOU LOSE XAXAXAXA"
Nobody is moronic enough to set that precedent, unless they want to see a world where every nation with some nukes feels like they can use them if they're having a bad day.
Seoul gets nuked by the Norks, Taipei gets nuked by the Chinks, and every tin pot dictator is going to be scrambling for their own so they can get in on the action.
Anyone with even a passing familiarity with foreign policy would say that it would be a better deal turning Russia into a parking lot and chancing that they can't get ICBMs in the air, rather than Russia creating an empire based off nuking their neighbor's capital cities, and everyone else realizing that nukes are kosher now and doing the same.
>Pakis will nook Indians and vice versa.
That's actually the good ending.
>Russia might nuke Kyiv
it would be extremely painful.
Ballistic missile subs second strike still means all relevant parts of Russia will be gone, so its a lose lose scenario
>How would NATO react?
Russia ceases to exist within 25 minutes but the planes nukes and missiles are flying within 5 or less of NATO satellites and airbourne monitoring cross confirming.
It doesn't matter there will be no other option than to launch a combined all out nuclear strike on Russia and hope for the best. The alternative of letting a nuclear attack go unpunished would be even worse.
>Russia has dead man’s switch.
Yeah?
>Every city in America and Europe gets instantly wiped out if a single nuke is detected coming into RU airspace.
yeah?
>Russia currently has more nukes than NATO combined
See you in Hell. You place your faith in the Russian Government and I'll place mine in NATO. Let's see who get's here first
>See you in Hell. You place your faith in the Russian Government and I'll place mine in NATO. Let's see who get's here first
What is the legal justification that allows Russia to use nukes?
damaged ego
>What is the legal justification that allows Russia to use nukes?
Laughing at the idea that the Russian government has or follows laws. Some shit by patrushev scribbled when he was having a rage fit
Self defense and national survival. If Russia feels like their country will collapse if they lose this war, then they would be legally justified (in a legal context) to use whatever means possible to avert that from happening. Any other country would similarly
so poland can retroactively nuke russia since they wiped poland off the map a few centuries ago
If Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, Poland would be at risk of fall out. The USA would end the risk.
>start war
>lose
>I AM LEGALLY JUSTIFIED IN USING NUKES
A country cannot be allowed to get away with something like that
>China invades Taiwan
>Fails to bring enough troops across to properly annex the island
>I AM LEGALLY JUSTIFIED IN USING NUKES
>The norks invade worst korea
>They starve before reaching the border
>I AM LEGALLY JUSTIFIED IN USING NUKES
Do you see why it can't be allowed?
Funny how Hitler urged this at the end of WW2 and most Germans just ignored the orders and surrendered. Even Imperial Japan realized when defeat had arrived, and that suicidal defiance would not deter the end result.
Are you going to say that the Russian Federation is less rational than either of those states? There was a clear solution to averting any nuclear threat, not starting a war to invade/occupy your neighbor. Whatever happens is squarely on Russia and history will remember that.
If Russia nukes Kyiv and turns on its Dead Hand system, what exactly can NATO do? Either you back off, give deescalation a chance and get to live another day, or you attack Russia and guarantee the end of the world and your own death.
Do you really think Western/NATO leaders would act in a suicidal manner?
Damn that's crazy haha
Commiting Jihad can give more votes from muslim voters in next elections
That would make sense since Russia has the highest number of muslims of any european nation, and if things hasnt changed recently the highest percentage too
you already made literally this post in this thread, got 30+ replies and ignored all of them
is this mental illness or a bot?
You’re a western shill trying to downplay the severity and likelihood of nuclear escalation
2 more concern trolling threads and west will cave in to russian demands comrade
FRICKING DO IT
>FRICKING DO IT
/thread ROLL IT WE WANT FRIED PIDOR
Calling other people shills doesn't work when everyone recognizes how much you're spamming. I know this is hard for ziggers to understand, but normal people have memory spans longer the 30 seconds.
Look at you trembling. Fricking do it vatBlack person pick up the fricking gun. The world wants you dead. Roll the fricking dice.
>western
>shill
Nice try ziggerbot.
half the posts on the thread say DO IT PUSSY, so why won't they? The answer is simple, they don't have the balls, otherwise it would have already happened.
A new Russian supporter posted in s/fur in b
He was deranged before it, this "eternal animal torture" is his favorite pasta, it is more that 2 years old
I think this could be him
There is a disproptionate amount of russian furries given the size of their population, I always wondered why that was the case ever since I found out about that weird cult about Gadget from Rescue Rangers they got goin' over there.
Unrelated fact:
Russian words have genders, because of this Gadget is named "Nut", as Gadget is male-sounding name
Many furries are pro-russian because exist many russian furry artists
I remember porn hub also singled out russians as the ones with the highest consumption of mlp porn too.
Must be true.
One of highest
I think they wasn't first
Furries known for being "rich"
As $500 dollars is equal to monthly salary
Getting monthly salary just for drawing porn is very seductive
Saw cyrilic letter in /trash/ few times
>Saw cyrilic letter in /trash/ few times
yeah
>t. same
>If Russia nukes Kyiv and turns on its Dead Hand system, what exactly can NATO do?
Kill you and laugh at your misplaced faith in the Russian government and its moronic bullshit and empty threats
>Do you really think Western/NATO leaders would act in a suicidal manner?
Its not their decision. Its a NATO automatic response from a wargamed plan. You die. Russia ends. the world carries on.
They would obliterate Russia and consequences be damned, anon.
Non-retaliation is even more suicidal.
>Either you back off, give deescalation a chance and get to live another day,
You can't live very long in a world where a nuclear power can take any non nuclear power by threatening to destroy the world. The only way to avoid inevitable global nuclear war in your scenario is to punish Russia immediately to maintain the nuclear taboo. A limited exchange immediately is better than global genocide later.
And Russia still hasnt even created a coherent explanation of how such a system would work without it being catastrophically moronic and having necessarily resulted in Russia already firing off 9 times since the 80s.
It doesnt exist. Russia just realized that the B2 bomber could allow first strike without detection and had to bluff to maintain MAD.
Also, how the frick would you even test a country wide death man switch
USA tells Russia that it will be nuking a city of equivalent Russian size compared to what was nuked in Ukraine. Any subsequent retaliation from the Russians will be met with a full nuclear exchange.
And they would let it happen because they are all cowards and selfish bastards at heart who would rather let someone they don't know pay the price instead of them.
FRICKING DO IT YOU PUSSIES! GET ON WITH IT BEFORE I SHIT MYSELF!
GET ME MY SAPI PLATE STRECHER BOY
Out of curiosity, what happens to a country that has been completely annihilated? I'm talking about their liquid assets in international banks, as well as their staff abroad. Once Russia is glowing green, will you be able to just take a visit to the Russian embassy and beat a diplomat to death with a bat while they shriek for mercy?
>will you be able to just take a visit to the Russian embassy and beat a diplomat to death with a bat while they shriek for mercy?
That was always my plan except nothing so kind and loving and gentle. None of their spoilt brats stay alive either, or not with genitals anymore anyway.
the fallout so close to NATO borders would be reason enough to glass russia
How About a nukleare power plant going boom
( cuz ziggers smok in dark placese) do you Think nato Wil act in that case?
They have also said a deliberate destruction by Russia of a nuclear power plant that resulted in hazardous fallout in neighboring countries would elicit a response from NATO
Did you have a fricking stroke writing that?
If Russia was going to nuke, they would've done it already. The threat of a NATO response is probably enough to discourage them.
They are way more likely to nuke each other.
NATO will kope. I support Ukraine, I'm pro NATO but I just don't think there's much to be done in that case. More sanctions, strongly worded condemnation, but I doubt they'd be able to do anything of value without actually going for an all oute Nuclear War.
>NATO will kope. I support Ukraine, I'm pro NATO
Any first use of a nuclear weapon will result in a prompt response. A sea of glass 🙂
Could you imagine Russians and the Russian language becoming critically endangered? It makes me hard just thinking about it.
Unlikely since most Ukrainians are Russian themselves
Only in the literal definition in that they and the Belarusians are the Decedents of the Keivan Rus, whilst the Muscovites who stole the name 'Ruussia' are not.
>Could you imagine Russians and the Russian language becoming critically endangered? It makes me hard just thinking about it.
I'm hard as fricking nails thinking about moscow turned into radioactive glass carpark full of crispy critters.
>>See you in Hell. You place your faith in the Russian Government and I'll place mine in NATO. Let's see who get's here first
>Fricking do it vatBlack person pick up the fricking gun. The world wants you dead. Roll the fricking dice.
How is a nuke forcing an end to the war? Russian forces are completely equipped for a nuclear battlefield.
Good times
America would nuke Russia into glass.
>America would nuke Russia into glass.
Based Burger. France and the UK right with you.
We'd kill every Russian to make a point. Then dump their bodies in the ocean like Osama. You can't have all those radioactive bodies laying around or buried. Organs are ruined so don't do that. The message would be don't frick with our allies or we will kill you all. Americans like me now just want to be left the frick alone. This kind of shit drags me out of my comfortable cave. I want sex, sleep, food, weed and guns. Otherwise it's agitating.
Judging by the amount of nuke threads recently I take it the counteroffensive is really tearing russians not just a new one but an entire array of orifices
This. The landmine video spam and the nuke spam makes me think the commissar at Glavset is waving an AK around demanding triple shifts, and that if we're not all demoralized by the end of the month he'll start liquidating them all.
Hallo Ivan Ivanovitch here in teh valdivostok internet reserach agency. Not so fun now. Fat Natasha taken away in van after brother found hiding in fridge avoiding special mobik holiday. I am finally supervisor. It is not so good. Should be not do the 1.2 million social media posting this week, the old mobilisation paper lottery party up in the cubicles on the third floor again. I do not like it so much when they cry or have no money. Today as you can see we are mainly doing the empty threat of nuclear war agin. I miss wissiles and when my concern was bolts for lada repair. Now my concern it not getting mud suit and grenade head. Laters
I think it's very unlikely that Russia would use a nuclear weapon on a population center, it would cause 10,000s of civilian casualties and instantly turn them into an international Pariah, even amongst un-aligned countries.
I do however think it's possible that they could use tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield, especially if their army is in a desperate situation.
At risk of a major encirclement or rout that might mortally wound Russia's conventional forces, they could be tempted to use them to blunt Ukrainian forces or try to force a de-escalatory pause through shock.
If it forces a direct response from NATO, it could be a way for Russian forces to effectively pull out of the war with less embarrassment: instead of losing to Ukraine, they would be losing to NATO and whatever new border arrangement could be justified in, ironically, preventing escalation to nuclear holocaust.
It's not guaranteed at all, and obviously I don't think Ukraine should try to hold back from inflicting a crushing defeat on the Russian army if they get an opportunity, but I definitely think it's possible.
Black person
Does this have anything to do with the Poseidon test this week?
>no legal justification
except for that treaty that the us, china and russia signed to retaliate against anyone that nukes ukraine
Poland walks into Moscow without a fight.
>Since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, there would be no legal justification to retaliate against Russia with nukes.
non sequitur
ook ook muh nuk
You learned that from a Hollywood direct to TV movie or what?
Dead man switch lol
Y
US early warning and sattelite surveillance is state of the art. Any attempt to even prepare a nuke launch would be instantly suicidal
Why on earth do you think that the US would launch on warning against a strike on Ukraine?
Your last 3 digits is your IQ
Reread the post
>Russia nukes Ukraine
>Us does nothing
>Russia uses nukes to annex Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, etc
>Us does nothing
>Russia annexes Poland, Baltics, other NATO countries
>Us does nothing
>Russia threatens to attack the us
Well fellas, I guess it's finally time to stop Russian aggression, luckily we have all our early warning systems, radars, and missile defense systems positioned right next to Russia and have our allies to stand with us
The US is not launching on warning against an attack on a state that it guarantees no nuclear protection.
The US wouldn't even do that for a limited attack on NATO.
There would certainly be a response, very likely nuclear, to a small scale nuclear attack on NATO, and there would likely be some kind of conventional response to an attack on Ukraine.
But there is no chance the US is immediately escalating to a multi-megaton exchange that would assuredly destroy it as world power, over an attack on Ukraine.
The only time that the US would launch on warning is if their own strategic arsenal is under immediate threat of being destroyed, IE massive enemy first strike.
>The US is not launching on warning against an attack on a state that it guarantees no nuclear protection.
Why do you think that the Russians haven't already NOOKed Ukraine, moron? Go re-read all of the US and Russian press releases on the subject over the last year and think for a minute, if it won't melt your pea brain to do so.
>Why do you think that the Russians haven't already NOOKed Ukraine, moron?
Not that anon but it's because the US has such convential overmatch that Russia can't hope to fight an actual NATO intervention. One expeditionary strike group has more stealth fighters than Russia and enough Marines to seize Crimea. Unless Russia is willing to escalate to a full strategic nuclear exchange, they lose. If they do escalate, they still lose, but now everyone else loses too. So until they're willing to flip the table and end the world, there's no "just a little nuke" risk, because just a little nuke means a conventional response they can't match.
Just making sure you understand Russia can't carry out a nuclear strike on America. It's unable to.
That depends entirely how many of their road mobile ICBMs work. They'll be the real b***h to deal with. SSBNs can be sunk by their Seawolf tails, silos can be eliminated in a first strike with B2s. Scud hunting is hard.
Nothing will work
for the record, even if every city in Europe, Asia, and North America were blasted off the face of the earth, people would still live on those continents. Also there would be no sane or even insane reason to nuke South America or Africa. Nuclear winter isn't real and there genuinely aren't enough nukes to irradiate the entire planet into uninhabitability. If there were 100 times over the nukes that exist, we still couldn't do it. Earth is fricking big man.
Russia delenda est
the UK alone has enough to glass every major Russian city. Even if we ignore that the Russian stockpile is more theoretical than real, it doesn't actually matter. If they fire the nukes (which we can't control) everyone, them included, is dead regardless.
They already tried that in 2022, but the nuke didn't work.
t. knower
We would know very quickly if that was the case, monitoring stations would pick up the radiological signature.
>We would know very quickly if that was the case, monitoring stations would pick up the radiological signature.
Neither detonated one was in the Baltic north and the other underground in the caucus but the Russians did try to do a nuclear threaten test and it just made them look moronic. Their latest ICBM test failed as well.
They also recently tested their nuclear torpedo (according to sub brief) though we wouldn't know the success of that test, publicly. Their claim of 100Mt warhead is absurd though
I mean he said it didn't work, so they wouldn't pick up shit. Before that, even, the launch of a ballistic missile would be detected.
>Before that, even, the launch of a ballistic missile would be detected.
R*ssia has fired many nuclear-capable missiles at Ukraine.
Alright? Icbms are very different from air launched missiles.
Russia wouldn't use an ICBM to nuke Ukraine, they're probably min-ranged. They'd use Iskander or Kinzhal.
moron
They tried to test nukes in siberia but nukes failed/fail to launch
Why would they need to use nukes? They could just keep this war going through the next election cycle.
1. Trump is not going to win and I say this as a guy who was full MAGA the first time around
2. Trump as exec has no fricking power to stop what America is doing for Ukr.
Also I love VatBlack folk rolling out Biden gaffes as some kind of ammo
Yeah okay the leader of NATO is old and mixes words up… your leader is an Africa-tier warlord whose pet mercenaries turn on him and go on clown show fiesta parades toward your capital.
This is some moronic UN graph that assumes men and women fled the country in equal amounts.
List of illnesses/conditions that forbids serving in military is wide, so it is still possible
Also did they group young boys into group with adult males?
Yeah they say that, they also said they had enough conventional military power to sweep all of Europe easily.
>Climb into the loop already
If this is a suicide reference its a very poetic one
Russians will yearn for the 90s once this is all over. I can’t wait
At first Nato would obliterate the Russian army everywhere outside of Russia, so Ukraine, Syria, Africa, Sink their Navy etc. If the Russians don't back down and start preparing nuclear launches then the USA would launch a counter force nuclear strike.
My favorite was the poster yesterday suggesting Russian nuke Kyiv and then deny it or say NATO did it. Because then the world would know not to mess with Russia (even though Russia didn't do it.)
>Since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, there would be no legal justification to retaliate
You better make damn sure not a speck of fallout lands inside a NATO country then, Volodya.
Considering that the "Dead man's switch" supposedly existed since the 60s, yet in the 80s when the attack detection system malfunctioned and decision to fire was declined by a man (Stanislav Petrov) and not a computer or automated system, I'm going to go on a limb and say, you're completely full of shit, and that "dead man's switch" doesn't fricking exist.
Russia's dead man's switch isn't always turned on. Only Putin can turn it on/off.
If Russia nukes Kyiv, Putin would turn on the Dead Man's switch before launching the nuke, and let NATO know that if any nukes are launched at Russia in response, every city in America/Europe would get nuked in response (automatically)
Dead Man's switch is made in USSR
Ukraine was a part of USSR
is Dead Man's switch covers Ukraine?
I don't think it exists at all, and even if it did why the frick wouldn't it be turned on in fricking '83, one of the years where tensions were at their highest and the Soviets thought NATO was preparing a first strike with Able Archer just being a cover?
>Russia's dead man's switch isn't always turned on. Only Putin can turn it on/off.
You vatBlack folk are fricking ghey. Nuke Russia
Fricking do it pidor
>muh nooks
>muh Russian nukes are all outdated and broke
>muh Western nukes are all guaranteed to work and technologically superior!!!11
Don't you think this is the same thing they tell people in Russia?
Where is the PROOF that Russia's nukes don't work? Where is the PROOF that Russia doesn't have the ability to end the world with their nuclear arsenal?
Is this really something we should be gambling on?
If Russia nukes Kyif, ALL HANDS OFF
western nuke maintenance budgets are massive
russia's is tiny despite a larger arsenal
they must be cutting corners somewhere
>unironic proofposting
Russia spends a faction on nuclear maintenance and until recently relied on Ukrainian companies to provide expert technicians. The joke almost writes itself.
NATO doctrine doesn't recognize the concept of "tactical" nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapon use is nuclear weapon use, the US and allies hands will be forced otherwise the world will restart mass-proliferation.
The mistake most shitskin shills seem to make is thinking we'll use nuclear weapons in response: we'll just turn every Russian in Ukraine into Tomahawk ash whilst they screech helplessly.
>Idiots think that in a nuclear war you target fricking cities
I am so sick of you people knowing NOTHING about the situation or what would happen.
There would absolutely be counter value strikes in a nuclear war.
Just because most US warheads would be used on hard targets doesn't mean that there won't be uses against centers of economic activity.
In fact maiming the civilian economy is very cheap in terms of warheads so you would be stupid not to do it.
One 400kt warhead is enough to completely ruin the center of a large city kill 10s of thousands and displace millions of people.
Most nuclear powers operate around ensuring a devastating, counter value, 2nd strike with a relatively small number of warheads.
Only the US and the USSR when it existed, really had a comprehensive counter force and first strike capability.
Russia today has arguably lost that, although it still has a very credible second strike capability.
>Reddit Man
>Reddit frog
Are these zombie memes the equivalent of sending T-34s into battle?
Russia nooking to win is still moronic even if they 100% get away with it. All their non-nuclear neighbors will start a nuclear program or join under a nuclear umbrella. It just means any of the further expansion they want to do is permanently checked.
The 'collective west' can turn the dregs of the USSR into a neolithic hell hole with conventional guided munitions as a flex in return. Hell, Poland could take Moscow nearly as fast as Prigozhin's 25k by itself. It's frick around find out for good territory and in itself only a half-measure. You either go ham with intermediate yield and range nuke spam per Soviet doctrine and leapfrog over the ashes, or you don't. There's no eat your yellow cake and have it too wiggle room here.
>eat your yellow cake and have it too
I chuckled, nice.
I wonder if we'd break out the airburst neutron bombs on them, then let the Eastern Euros free reign over the territory that'd be wiped clean without too much damage (relatively).
Wouldn't envy the Body disposal job though.
>five fives
Nice
I just remembered you can't burn the bodies or just throw them all in a mass grave. Every living animal is turned into a rotting radioactive biohazard.
yeah
Neutron bombs are terrifying.
Not to mention surviving animal liquidation, which with modern industrial agriculture would be dozens of millions of animals unsuitable for consumption
NATO reaction would be to destroy any russian military asset outside of Russia, and bomb the shit out of the Russian army in Ukraine.
No need to go nuclear.
So what Ruzzian plan failed horrendously today??
1- Russia will not nuke Kyiv.
2- Russia doesn't have one working nuke.
3- Russia is ALWAYS that stupid.
4- You can march on Moscow and whack 6 fricking aircraft they cannot replace, and it's legally ok.
Russia most likely have working nuclear weapons since nuclear weapons are an insurance of the russian states continued existance.
>Nah they're bluffing
The risk of the info about it being a bluff coming out is too, well, risky.
If nukes fall will I be isekaid into a world of beautiful female elves that need me for reproduction?
If nothing else it would be comical to see if China would back down on Ukraine being under their nuclear umbrella, or honour it.
Of course resorting to nukes in your failed war of aggression opens a box of worms Putin should realistically not want, nor the people responsible for actually launching said nuke. Literally ALL breaks are off if nuclear weapons are used in such a way, does Russia want to justify them being hunted like rats, having all their remaining military assets being destroyed, all their citizens abroad being lawless and all their material assets being forfeit? I do not think so.
>muh legal justification
The nuclear taboo being broken means "legal justifications" no logner matter and the aprty breaking it will be broken by everyone else in turn.
Deal with it.
>Russia currently has more nukes than NATO combined
russia and nato combined have roughly an equal amount of nukes if russia hasn't been lieing about maintaining them
Also, nuclear warheads =/= ready to launch nukes
Why is the question being asked
>Is NATO willing to end the world over Ukraine?
as if they're the ones making the decision to use nukes in the first place? Is Putin willing to destroy the world for his delusional attempts to restore the Russian Empire?
Are you really asking why these threads give Russia 0 agency and frame everything bad on ""the west""? Isn't it obvious?
>Isn't it obvious?
I'm just calling attention to it for those who might think this thread is actually genuine.
the only people phrasing it as such are those who imply NATO is to blame
Legality is moronic
>NOOOKS
Look at Russia military embezzlement.
Now put yourself in the shoes of the guy in charge of nuke maintenance and consider the following: live nuke testing is banned, no nuke will ever be fired, the budged is so small you can at best mainatine a small fraction of the nukes.
How much of this small budged will you allocate to nuke maintenance and how much on your yatch?
>3 posts about russian nukes up at the same time
are these your new instructions?
this didn't work at the beginning of the war either, why would it work now?
no they don't have a dead-man's switch, no they don't have more functional nukes than everyone else.
>the Russian nuclear arsenal doesn't work
Absolutely stupid narrative that gets pedalled constantly here for some reason.
Even if most did not work then their arsenal could still do more damage to the US than France or the UK.
i'm not saying none of them work, i'm saying given most of the maintainance was done by ukrainians on older nukes, and given the money spent, it's very likely that the majority don't work, which means in a scenario where they get uppity and nook, their country will be evaporated, and other countries may or may not suffer a few million dead.
(china and india would also nuke russia btw, for obvious reasons)
Russia has less functional nukes than North Korea.
5eyes knows where russian boomer subs are at all times.
Russia can't do shit.
Nukes have an expire date?
Whoa really!!???
Somebody needs to tell USSTRATCOM!!
So do the rockets. So do the command computers.
The US and UK alone have more than sufficient weapons for a counter-force first strike. You don't seem to realize how bad "missing teeth" are in your nuclear bite. You aren't going to get a chance to respond after that first exchange, so if it's not a double knock-out, you're going to be systematically exterminated.
Russia would be able to launch a devastating counter value strike before any US warheads hit their targets.
The UK would not even be able to mop up most strategic targets and would likely be hit a second time.
The UK strategic force Is absolutely based around minimal credible deterrence, it is not a first strike force.
>Russia would be able to launch a devastating counter value strike before any US warheads hit their targets.
US has forward-staged nuclear assets and actual stealth delivery platforms. You're going to die screaming, Ivan.
I'm not Russian, I'm just not a moron.
You aren't pulling off a first strike without counter fire, this is not a situation where the US would be willing to take the risk.
You're wrong. And Putnig knows it, so he isn't gonna do shit. 🙂
NATO would nuke Russia and kill you and everyone you love, so stop asking moronic questions you stupid chink lol
NATO has told Russia it will receive a nuclear response of Russia explores its nuclear options. You will die and you won’t have to wait two weeks
Russia nuking all of ukraine and then getting nuked themselves would be killing two birds with one stone, it’s the literal good ending. Only thing not making it the legendary ending would be that if poland and belarus get nuked out of the globe too. Now that’s the world i want to live in
why do russians employ this tactic, you do realize this doesn't work right? people like the slav countries trying to improve themselves, russia is a lost cause and will never try to improve themselves, that's why we want them gone. the rest are alright and can climb back from centuries of russian degeneracy holding them back.
Subhumans cannot comprehend humanity. As well ask why a paramecium can't perform calculus.
They’re going to have Prigozhin do it with a Belarusian stationed nuke. Screen cap this.
You know it’s sad when literal nobodies can figure out geopolitical maneuvers and schemes.
Remember when that war game scenario when minsk got nuked was brought up and how ridiculous it seemed back then?
>How would NATO react?
Probably with a nuclear first strike aimed at destroying the bulk of Russian launch capability.
>Since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, there would be no legal justification to retaliate against Russia with nukes.
There is no legal justification necessary.
Do it already.
Why are RussBlack person so proud of centuries of shitty societies of no benefit to the people? Kyiv dies, whatever reprisals happen (they won't be nuclear, those imagining otherwise are children who lack OG Cold War life experience and don't know the real rules), then full containment economically asphyxiates Russia (current measures are not containment) at no cost to humans. Putting down conventional Russian assets will be easy and there will be no more Russian sea trade.
Your people are social cannibals who have alienated every civilized nation that had the misfortune of interacting with them. You have the pride of the lowest thirdie like your fanbase, but no personal or group accomplishment.
I want Russia to nuke Kyiv because the blowback will be worth it. Some thirdies will go hungry but they can eat each other per local custom. Europe will be unified in glorious hatred and fully rearm with weapons flowing for decades to cordon off the East.
Hatred is a weapon and hating Russians will be liberating, freeing the West to openly hate its other enemies. Pls nuke Kyiv. In the end that will benefit Ukraine as the nukes cleansed Nippon, but this time the survivors will eternally hate Russia and make every effort to take it apart. Nuclear weapons invite asymmetric response of every type in the most granular manner against every Russian sober enough to be worth killing.
Nato would flatten russia. How dump billions of pounds of radioactive material on a country not an act of war.
It’s utterly pointless asking /k/ because the kids in here will just repeat Total Zigger Death and are uninterested in reality.
Nato? China will buttfrick monke if he release genie
>half the ICBMs never make it off the ground, exploding in the silos or just not starting up at all
>a quarter of the ICBMs fail on route, crashing into the sea or floating off into space
>twenty percent of the ICBMs are taken out by anti-missile defenses
>4.9 percent percent of the ICBMs hit their targets but are duds
>one single nuke makes it through in working order and lands right on OP, evaporating him in an instant
Let the missiles fly!
This might be the most zogged thread in the history of /k/. 99% NAFO shills.
Sorry about the flopped counteroffensive!
>cowering in fear of death cult living in the ruins of a fallen empire is based and trad, akshully
>How would NATO react?
It wont. It doesn't care about Ukraine it just wants to prolong the war to collapse Russia.
Proxy wars are the only way in the nuclear age. Nato is afraid of nukes, look at north Korea and even greater shithole. Simple as
>It wont.
we don't appreciate it when other people shit where we eat
if any radiation is detected over mainland Europe, Moscow and St. Petersburg get preserved forever in glass. A testament to hubris
That would be as moronic as nuking a country for atmospheric testing. Where do you dumbfrick children get your nuclear doctrine idea?
From nato explicitly stating that they will respond to a nuclear attack of any kind, including blowing up znpp
Nobody in or out of NATO with more than two brain cells wants the nuclear taboo to be broken; a reprisal has to be given because the precedent not doing so would create is going to be even worse in the greater scheme of things.
As for North Korea, it is allowed to exist because they justify the US keeping a military presence in the region without just openly displaying hostility to China, South Korea doesn't want to integrate them because it would literally destroy their economy (and give them a land border with the Chinese), and the North is for the most part content keeping in its existing borders because despite all the sabre-rattling about reunification, Kim's fully aware that they won't stand a chance.
If North Korea actually used nuclear weapons in anger then they would get royally buttfricked, but so long as it remains mere theater, all is fine because any nookwaving gives the USA an excuse to station even more hardware in South Korea.
>Since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, there would be no legal justification to retaliate against Russia with nukes.
You can't metagame your way out of nuking another country. "B-b-b-but the rules say" who gives a frick, a rogue state using nuclear weapons in an imperialist war of aggression is no longer a rational actor and *has* to be dealt with.
>Russia has to nuke to win Ukraine or they will implode
>NATO has to attack to save face and investments into Ukraine so that their economy and world order doesn't implode, because Russia winning against the Big Bad West would encourage everyone to ape out
>Russia has to nuke day 1 to win against NATO
>NATO has to nuke them back
>Chinese inherit the earth
frick.
Biden is an old school politician. Meaning he'd say one thing but he'd cut a motherfrickers throat. The dude can be legendary in how unrelenting viscous he can be. He'd unilaterally nuke Russia. Every field, every population center, everyone and everything that presented any kind of reaction. It would have to be overwhelming and final. No little city of 10,000 people in the Eurasian part of Russia would exist after that. Everyone who is Russian and in Russia would be seen as a a threat. There you go.
More context
Biden truly thinks people will inevitably be ruled how they want
He doesnt think oh those poor Russians being ruled by Putin
He's thinking those Russians clearly want this war
You're confusing Biden with Trump there, unless you have actually proof that Biden has the same mindset.
He's said it a bunch. Apathy is not an option. If you don't engage the system and just say it's broke it's only going to get worse. I'm paraphrasing.
There's a massive difference between saying the US must respond if Putin goes nuclear, and saying the Russian people deserve to die because Putin is the leader.
It's impossible to find a quote that will satisfy you then
It's not unreasonable to ask for where Biden said what you're implying.
>the Russian people deserve to die because Putin is the leader.
They unironically do. Every last one of them.
Russians are racial bedlice and must be exterminated mercilessly and totally.
This. The Russians have been turned into a chronically inebriated, dysgenic parody of humanity by centuries of alcoholism, famine, and rule by tyrants. Servile, incapable of independence, and constantly marching towards death to thanklessly please whatever warlord is leading them.
Extermination would be a mercy to those "people".
I mean. If a hundred squatniks got POd enough and armed themselves with kitchen knives they could put Putin out of everyone else's misery. Some of them would probably even live.
NATO already said they'd view it as a provocation of war. Unleashing a nuke in Euro-zone would have downwind consequences for NATO allies.
>Russia currently has more nukes than NATO combined
not only is this not true, it is so not true that I wonder if you even got it from your state-run propaganda maschine, and didn't just invent it entirely out of vodka and wishes to be European, Sergei.
Yes, yes. Nuke is the magic "end war" button. NATO will be too scared.
There ya go, I said what you want to hear. Now stop making this thread you fricking homosexual.
>retaliate against Russia with nukes.
Nato doesn't need nukes to wipe Russia off the map.
This is why a nation where fetal alcohol syndrome is just a racial debuff should be dismantled at all costs. If Russia is permitted to use offensive nukes, for conquest, then a global nuclear exchange is inevitable anyway.
If Russia is allowed to survive after using a nuclear weapon in anger, then China, or India, or Israel, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, anyone will try the same thing and trigger the final days of our species.
Only way to prevent this fate is to punish the first violation so severely that all nations will know nukes are essentially forbidden weapons. Every nation on Earth, even the backwater morons and suicidal sandBlack folk seem to take that responsibility seriously, if perhaps begrudingly. Except these fricking ex-soviet muckshovelers.
Since you want to die, why not just go into the woods and wave your dick at a bear or something? Bring a camera and leave us all with a bit of joy to remember you by.
>. Every nation on Earth, even the backwater morons and suicidal sandBlack folk seem to take that responsibility seriously, if perhaps begrudingly.
One thing I have noticed is while impoverished sandBlack folk are frequently suicidal, the mullahs that control their lives and are apex sandBlack person never are. Even Osama was very keen on not dying for the cause, that was for lesser sandBlack folk.
>Every nation on Earth, even the backwater morons and suicidal sandBlack folk seem to take that responsibility seriously, if perhaps begrudingly.
My opinion of two nations has elevated considerably since February 24, 2022. Ukraine and North Korea.
Ukraine is for obvious reasons, but for North Korea, I realized for the first time that the House of Kim isn't anywhere near as insane as they seem to make themselves out to be. While the Russians have become completely hopped up on their own delusions of grandeur, even as their entire society atrophied to corruption and negligence, to the point of starting a war that they have no hope of possibly winning to rebuild the Soviet Union, North Koreans seem to acutely understand their own weaknesses. They are careful to avoid biting off more than they can chew and do what they can to legitimately improve (their tank designs for instance are a legitimate improvement over the original Soviet ones they're based off of). The Korean People's Army stays in North Korea, defending their borders, not going on in ill-advised adventures in faraway lands they don't belong in.
Don't get me wrong, North Korea is still one of the shittiest place on Earth, but unlike Russia, they seem to at least realize that they're shit, even if they'll never admit to it, and they keep to themselves rather than trying to export their problems elsewhere.
>One thing I have noticed is while impoverished sandBlack folk are frequently suicidal, the mullahs that control their lives and are apex sandBlack person never are.
Why would they be? They're the ones living the good life in the Middle East, the profound dysfunction of Islamic fundamentalism, while fricking over everyone else, benefits them immensely.
the idea in that a country can decide on a whim that some other country's land will either "become theirs", or "become a radioactive wasteland" is so barbarically fricked in the head that the only response is global curb-stomping.
realistically, you are playing russian roulette with 6 bullets. realistically, you have a room temperature IQ. your country is a gas station for china, and has never been worth the blood spilled over it. you are a collection of drooling dough-shaped subhumans larping as a 1st world country. your claim to fame has been to mentally and economically exhaust yourselves before you were dumb enough to kill everyone on the planet. you can send your women our way. they as disposable as your men, but they have at least some temporary use other than sandbags and fertilizer.
homie it took them two fricking months to get Mariupol when it was completely encircled