Russia just underwent through a humiliating defeat in Bakhmut Posted on March 4, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Russia just underwent through a humiliating defeat in Bakhmut
Bakhmut is essentially just sunk cost fallacy. Bakhmut was only important in early on the in the war, but not now.
>b-but why does Ukraine keep defending it
Because its a kill box. You do not let the enemy take land without a fight, especially if its something they want. You need to do that to ensure they would lose their momentum.
>You do not let the enemy take land without a fight
That makes no sense, why would you waste men and resources on a place with no strategic value? Either it had strategic value and they lost it, or it had 0 strategic value and Ukrainians were retarded enough to defend it.
>And considering they are already stretched for resources, I doubt they had extra to just waste on being "ironic" with the territory they considered important.
Despite what russian shills want you to believe, Ukrainians are killing russians pretty much for free in bakhmut, so it's only logical to continue doing so until all the fortifications are destroyed and unusable.
The ukranus is clenching
Ukrainians are reporting heavy casualties themselves though, like that video from the Ukie recon guy saying they lose about a battalions worth of people a week.
>You need to do that to ensure they would lose their momentum.
This is the only plausible justification. I still think the more likely reason is that both sides are slavs autistically fixating on it rather than any real strategic planning.
>video from the Ukie recon guy saying they lose about a battalions worth of people a week.
That was confirmed fake, unlike wagner video with countless dead ziggers. Just as i said - free kills.
>Ukraine is reporting
Ukraine knows Russia is listening jackass. Bait that’s not tasty does not get bitten.
So what is the next position they will likely go to after this?
There's another line of defense behind bakhmut. Originally, it was supposed to be there after bakhmut falls in the first months of the war.
So this second line of defence will be even harder to take now that Ukies gained a few extra months of time to prepare?
Probably, nobody expected bakhmut to last this long. The city was expected to be taken within the early days of the invasion and had Ukrainian troops fall behind another line of defense. Bakhmut is essentially a buffer between that line of defense and RU forces.
No because Ukraine lost all it's best soldiers in Bakhmut
Thats actually the 4th line by this point. The first Post Bakhmut defensive line is what abruptly cut down western momentum from Russia near Vasuivka.
In sequence, and mind you, these are all targets of similiar size, urbanization and fortification as Bakhmut and Soledar:
>The massive urban sprawl around Zalizne
>Kostiantynivka (Almost the size of Severodonetsk)
>Kramatorsk, which is more formidably fortified than anything Russia has even come near to at this point, given that it was the line where Ukraine expected to decide the course of the war.
>Sloviansk: Not quite as well fortified but near it.
>Retaking Lyman and Izium
>Dozens of smaller cities in west Donetsk Oblast.
Outside of the cities, the Donetsk oblast filled with farmland seperated from eachother by rivers. Its quite a nightmarish region to attack.
>Despite what russian shills want you to believe, Ukrainians are killing russians pretty much for free in bakhmut, so it's only logical to continue doing so until all the fortifications are destroyed and unusable.
But it has value:
If Ziggers get it they keep pushing and it will be harder to stop them onwards so you will have to do it anyway.
If they dont get it, they will keep pushing and get casualties and 130+ armored vehilcles in a day trying to breakthrough.
Where they ARE pushing, and they have proven they have commited to claming Bakhmut, is also everwhere else they are not pushing. Meaning if you keep them there, they cant be doing it elsewhere on the front.
The point is to bleed your enemy dry. If they keep persisting on one area that has no strategic advantage, then you have to bleed through some way or another. For an invasion force, attacking a place with no strategic advantage is a good way to lose momentum.
Fighting is inevitable, may as well fight where you have an advantage such as Bakmut. Choose the right battles, Ukraine chose bakmut, Russia is funneled there by logistical aspects.
Have you ever heard the term, defense in depth? That's why.
Right to exsplain in most brain dead terms. For ukrane yes bakhmut held no strategic value after Izum fell but then russians started showing they for some fucking reason still wanted that town so they did bunker down and held it and they saw its was basecly curbing russian offense( russians keep throwing at it resources while other fronts don't get supplied as much) they kept killing russians to to their advantage and kept destroying their armor where we saw they had to pull out btr-50 out of storage. In other words ukrane only strategic impact here was that it was killing fagner and russian army effectly till they turned the town to rubble
imagine you are doing BJJ with a man and he is trying to secure a position on you that is actually worth very little strategically. he expends 50% of his energy to get this position and you expend 15%. it was worth it to resist even if it wasn't a decisive position? obviously yes
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake
If Russia is willing to sacrifice thousands to take Bakhmut and it costs Ukraine next to nothing to defend it, why would they retreat when they get to decimate Russian forces for free?
Ukraine losing Bakhmut, means losing Donbass. WHY? Because it’s heavily fortified last line of defense.Ukraine does not have the ammunition or manpower desired to defend Kramatorsk and Sloviansk. This is why Ukrainians are determined to protect Bakhmut at any cost.
I think it's more so because of the PR hit. Bakhmut has been fought over for 9 months, it looks terrible for Zelensky and Ukraine that they couldn't hold it and shows Russia is still in the game. Ukraine needs the West to believe they can still win this to keep getting weapons or at some point they'll lose patience and tell them to negotiate.
Not sure if samefagging or not, but bakhmut is not the last line of defense in Donetsk. Infact, there is another line of defense thats been there since last spring. Bakhmut holds no significant role aside from being a meat grinder to any invading russian forces.
Is English not your first language? Are you an actual russian shill?
Please understand that this was purely propaganda. Bakhmut was in Russia's favor. They outnumbered Ukrainian artillery 4:1 and they were spending penals in exchange for professional Ukrainian troops.
>costs Ukraine next to nothing to defend it
It cost them more than that if they ultimately retreat. These copes are getting nonsensical.
What it costs Russia is infinitely more. Do you know what a Pyrrhic Victory is or not? The point of Bakhmut is to bleed the Russian forces and buy time for Ukraine to launch a counterattack.
to win the ukranians need to kill russians at a rate of 3 to 1, they estimated they were killing them at a rate of 7 to 1 at bakhmut, s fight on as long as the exchange rate is favourable, especially as it ties down russians frm attacking elsewhere
Because Wagner was PAID to take Bakhmut and thus their contract is on the line. This is fucking GREED, plain and simple.
So let Wagner fucking DIE for the pursuit of avarice.
Why are you assuming the value must be symmetric?
Bakhmut had considerable defensive value due to the industrial facilities that gave a massive defensive buff, but those facilities aren't mobile so they don't give a corresponding offensive buff. The 9-month-long puzzle has been why the fuck has russia been so hell bent on assaulting one of the strongest parts of the line? We haven't seen that sort of pig-headed senselessness since Verdun, not even hyperdimensional Pisky.
Vatniks are idiots. They automatically think "MUH VICTORY" automatically means Ukraine will surely fall, instead of correctly recognizing Bakhmut is a huge Pyrrhic Victory/Trap.
>"Sir, the Ukrainians have Attritioned us to defeat!"
>"But I was Attritioning them!"
>"I know. The irony is most unfortunate. Our strategy has been used against us."
>"IRONIC?! *shoots minion in ass* YOUR BUTTHOLE IS IRONIC!"
>one of the strongest parts of the line
Now that the "strongest part of the line" has fallen Russia can roll up the rest at their leisure. Simple as, and obvious as fuck for those of use with triple digit iq's.
>why would you waste men and resources on a place with no strategic value
because the enemy is making the mistake of wasting even more resources to take it
Oh yeah well so did I but you don't see me whining about it.
>russia gained land and completed its objective
>ukraine lost land and failed to win
a victory is a victory and a loss is a loss. deal with it. i'll be so glad when this conflict is concluded so you insufferable cock sucking propagandist gays can finally fuck off for a while
And what is the strategic advantage of that land, retard? How does it help with russia's offensive in the east? What advantage does it provide them in the long run?
who the fuck even cares. when is ukraine going to take moscow? when? ukraine loses a city and that is a great ukrainian victory as their troops shuffle off to dig more trenches outside of town.
it's a junction of some roads that don't really matter anymore. no one knows why Russia broke it's own back on it
>who the fuck cares
>who cares if the objective wasn't strategic, a win is a win even if they lose it later on due to the fuck ups later on
Again, what strategic advantage does it provide for russia?
again, you lost. deal with it.
And what is the significance of that loss?how does that impact the russian army and their advances in Donetsk?
i have already told you i do not care. fuck off
But yet you cared enough to voice your opinion about the matter. How does that loss influence the russian advances in Donetsk? What strategic advantage does that city provides?
Let it go Anon. Vatnik shills need something for copium after a year of contant failures.
I cared enough to say I don't care and to tell you to fuck off. That's the extent of it. Read the line of posts you fucking retard. All that was originally stated is "you win some you lose some" and you're here like some autistic frothing at the mouth gay going on about "buh buh muh strategic advantages."
You entered this conversation gay.
i entered the thread, you entered this conversation you dumb cunt
>has zero confidence in his beliefs
>knows his beliefs can’t hold up to the most basic of criticisms
>bitches and moans before rage quitting the argument after getting bent over and fucked like a cheap whore via basic follow up questions
Cya gay, don’t come back
lmao fuck off. you gays are grasping at straws
Mad cause bad
>how does successfully capturing land in an offensive help with the offensive
These PrepHoleope gays I swear get stupider by the day.
How does bakhmut provide that strategic advantage? It doesn't look like it provides any momentum aside from a symbolic victory.
Can you clarify which parts of south east Ukraine are strategic and which are not?
Was Mariupol strategic? If none of them is strategic, how exactly is it a problem that Russia is conquering them?
Because it bogs down your army from making significant gains in other areas of significance. Mariupol was retarded because russia went in and got alot of their BTGs bogged down in one area when it can be used in other areas. Same with bakhmut, a bunch of BTGs gets bogged down in one area, which caused a stagnation in their advances in other areas. Which will create an opening due to the military having fatigues in their offensive capabilities.
At the end of the day, Russia is conquering territory, which is precisely their plan.
And how will they reinforce that territory, anon? How will they reinforce that tactical gain if there is no strategic gain?
if i was a betting anon i'd say those sneaky ruskies might just use the methods they're already using. their troops and supplies aren't getting tossed out of planes quite yet and things aren't exactly spawning in either. so whichever supply lines they already have will probably be how they reinforce the area
Ukraine took back what 2k square km in one offensive? Don't you have to say something nice about that then? Also yes, it's gonna happen again and sooner than some of you gays think
I thought the plan was to prevent NATO expansion not revitalize it
The plan is to kick NATO out of eastern Ukraine, to force them to retreat behind the Dniepr.
So far it's going in the right direction, for Russia, but slowly.
Our plan is to push NATO back!
>NATO Casualties: 0
Russian casualties: Many fields full
Might wanna rethink fighting NATO
The plan is to deny NATO the ability to station heavy equipment east of the Dniepr.
I thought it was De-Nazifaction, or De-Satanifcation? The SMO goals changed again?
Congratulations, you now extended nato's borders even closer to moscow.
How so? If they succeed in denying NATO access to eastern Ukraine, the Dniepr will act as a formidable natural border.
Finland in NATO is bad but not as bad as east Ukraine in NATO, for various geographical and cultural reasons.
Aside from the terrain being different, the number one thing Russia is afraid of is the "weaponization" of Ukrainians remote-controlled by the US (which is precisely what is happening right now actually).
It's going to be much more difficult for the US to convince Finnish authorities to force Finnish youth to go die in a frozen trench for fight Russia.
Look at a map of Finland….retard
>he thinks a river would stop nato from glassing Russia
Sorry man nato isn't playing with the same limitations you are
Russia is not fighting nato or shit like you would have been jdam'd
>lose momentum immediately afterwards
>able to utilize its strategic significance to increase your momentum later
Taking land does not matter if its insignificant.
Ukraine must have really shit command, sending all those troops to insignificant place that doesn’t matter anyway. Or you’re just PrepHoleoping haha
>still spams the same image without knowing what the markings mean
Are you stupid? Also, its insignificant only for russia because it provides no strategic significance in their advances. It was originally supposed to be significant when izyum was a thing, but now its not.
> Also, its insignificant only for russia
So it’s a significant loss for Ukraine?
No, because the city is only a buffer between another line of defense and RU forces. The city is not significant to Ukraine or russia aside from symbolic and Ukrainians wanting to drain russia of resources. If Russian troops are bogged in one area, then they will not advance in another area.
> If Russian troops are bogged in one area, then they will not advance in another area.
You said bakhmut has no strategic value for Russia. How can that be, if taking the city lets them advance in other areas? Why is your PrepHoleope so bad, is this a false flagging Z troll?
But I am not saying that the city can lead to more advances to other areas? Are you so retarded that you think that I am talking about bakhmut when it comes to russia allocation of resources? I will explain it to you /leftypol/ gay
>russians are bogged down in bakhmut(a non strategic city after izyum got recaptured)
>that means they will not focus resources on other areas in Donetsk or southern Ukraine
>russians will keep sending more and more troops, which will overextend their logistics and momentum, especially after they capture the city
The city itself holds no significance aside from bogging down Russian forces from spreading to other areas in Donetsk. If they keep sending troops to bakhmut, then they will not send troops to other aspects of eastern Ukraine.
> The city itself holds no significance aside from bogging down Russian forces from spreading to other areas in Donetsk
So it’s strategically significant for Russia to get un-bogged down in bakhmut? Or winning in bakhmut is not strategically significant? Which one is it, Down’s syndrome boy?
Maybe you can just not pretend to be retarded, gay. The city itself hold no strategic significance, it doesn't provide an advantage to russian forces, especially after they lost izyum. If russia keeps sending more forces, they will lose their momentum in the grand scheme of things because of overextension of logistics and personnel will lead to the disruption of their offensive capabilities. Going all in is retarded for a invading force. Especially in a place that holds no strategic significance.
You claimed Bakhmut is keeping Russians bogged down from advancing in other areas. In light of this, how is winning in Bakhmut not strategically significant for Russia? Keep embarrassing yourself with this Ukrainian shill script that is clearly not up to the task lol
Because Bakhmut has already served it purpose for months, to delay the advance of Russian troops to build defenses behind it. The fact it’s held out this long is an embarrassment
>Bakhmut delayed the Russian offensive enough for us to build real defenses elsewhere
>Russia can no longer conduct offensive operations
It’s like Schrödingers PrepHoleope in here
Are you going to call off the defensive lines being constructed north of Kiev if they can’t even conduct offensives any more?
>Are you going to call off the defensive lines being constructed north of Kiev if they can’t even conduct offensives any more?
A murderous hobo can still kill you even at your house. If you focus that many troops and you don't rotate them, then that means they will not be focus on other fronts. Their availability after the operation will be limited because troops will need to have rest and resupplied until the next deployment or movement.
>Are you going to call off the defensive lines being constructed north of Kiev if they can’t even conduct offensives any more?
might as well actually. Russia has lost the war.
Because Russia has lost the war. It can no longer conduct offensive operations, it cannot do the last logistical leg to supply its massive front line because it is out of lorries and tankers. Every day from now on Russia deliver less and less food fuel and ammunition to its front line troops. They are already trying o move artillery shells in scooby doo vans. Its over. The first Russian troops on the front line will be starving by may at this rate. The Russians squandered their last offensive capable units on nothing. The war is over. Ryssia lost. Russia is Ukraines bitch now, the mud is in early, the front won;t move for 30 days because of that. The Russian troops won;t even be able to do counterbattery. Russia has lost the war.
>It can no longer conduct offensive operations
Russia loses at least 130 tanks and APCs in Vuhledar in 'biggest tank battle in Ukraine war' – report
Russia has lost at least 130 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in a three-week battle in the town of Vuhledar in southern Ukraine, according to Ukrainian officials.
Ukrainian officials said the “epic” fight on a plain near Vuhledar produced the biggest tank battle of the war so far and a stinging setback for the Russians, the New York Times reports.
Both sides sent tanks into the fray, “with the Russians thrusting forward in columns and the Ukrainians manoeuvring defensively, firing from a distance or from hiding places as Russian columns came into their sights”, the paper writes.
When it was over, not only had Russia failed to capture Vuhledar, but it also had made the same mistake that cost Moscow hundreds of tanks earlier in the war: advancing columns into ambushes.
The remains of the Russian tanks, blown up on mines, hit with artillery or destroyed by anti-tank missiles, now litter farm fields all about the coal mining town, according to Ukrainian military drone footage.
Russian troops also suffered a lack of experienced tank commanders in Vuhledar, and many of the fighters consisted of newly conscripted soldiers who had not been trained in Ukraine’s tactics for ambushing columns, the paper says. Ambushes have been Ukraine’s signature tactic against Russian armoured columns since the early days of the war.
By last week, Russia had lost so many machines to sustained armoured assaults that they had changed tactics and resorted only to infantry attacks, Ukrainian commanders said.https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/mar/01/russia-ukraine-war-live-finland-mps-to-vote-on-nato-bid-blinken-warns-central-asia-against-ignoring-russian-aggression
General Mark Milley, chairman of America’s joint chiefs of staff, has said Russia has lost “strategically, operationally and tactically” and that they are “paying an enormous price on the battlefield” in Ukraine.
>It can no longer conduct offensive operations
Isn't the capture of Artyomovsk precisely a successful offensive operation?
In what terms? What did it provide strategically?
It is pushing the front closer to where Russia wants it and further away from where Ukraine wants it.
Thats not a strategic advantage. Thats a tactical advantage. Bakhmut has no use after the kharkiv offensive.
It's not a strategic advantage, just a strategic gain.
>Ukrainians take 6 months to capture a city of 280k
>Russians take 8 months to capture a city of 70k
>Isn't the capture of Artyomovsk precisely a successful offensive operation?
No its not these losses
>Russia loses at least 130 tanks and APCs in Vuhledar in 'biggest tank battle in Ukraine war' – report
>Russia has lost at least 130 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in a three-week battle in the town of Vuhledar in southern Ukraine, according to Ukrainian officials.
Were the end of Russias ability to fight offensive manoeuvre warfare. Last wasteful push and the really notable thing was that these were teh Russian Navy Marines and you know what some of them were in? Old Russian reserve T62s. That's the best a supposedly elite unit could be given for a major offensive.? Russia has lost the war. Its over. The Ukrainians could go home now and logistic weakness in the Russian forces in fuel and ammunition transport to frontline units would mean they collapse anyway by summer (May actually). Russia has lost the war. There are two kinds of Russian troops in Ukraine today those who will die there or be taken prisioner and those that ill try making it back to Russia. I'm far more interested in how Russia controls a routed chaotic mob of 100,000 cold hungry and terrified men with small arms arriving on food in Belogrod Oblast thjis summer who are all on paper deserters and criminals. Russia has no force left that can even impose order there. If the fat drunks in the
Rosgvardiya try fighting them its civil war and
Rosgvardiya won't last a week.
Because they keep moving forces to the area away from other fronts. Are you fucking stupid? The city itself provides no advantage for their momentum unless they are able to gey izyum and other areas in eastern Ukraine.
If russia wins bakhmut, their forces will lose momentum due to overextension of supplies and forces. When it comes to advancing, you need to advance in a place where you're able to consistently keep up a momentum while garnering big gains. Kharkiv offensive is an example of an offensive that was able to utilize large gains with enough momentum. Bakhmut is not an example of that.
Your damage control is why people on other boards make fun of PrepHole. Russia is tasked with liberating the entire territory of the DPR, why should they think Bakhmut doesn’t matter? It’s just something you squeak because Ukraine is losing it.
It’s like someone is conquering South Dakota (about DPRs population), and the idea that taking Rapid City (about Bakhmuts population) would somehow be embarrassing for the invader. You are a joke.
Oh your buddies said the purpose was so the 3000 NATO mercenaries can’t put equipment on that side of the river. And the leader of Russia said it was to disarm and de-Nazify all of Ukraine.
Now it’s changed again? Get y’all’s story straight
Because bakhmut does not provide an advantage in the grand scheme of things to focus alot of your invading force there, retard. If russia wants to take over donetsk, it will not be making retarded decisions like doubling down on a strategically insignificant city. If you focus on other areas of strategic significance, then you can make it more easier to capture the city and the rest of the story. You're now making WW1 tier of copes on how its significant to capture a worthless pile of land while you lost 1500 in a single day.
>grand scheme of things
>a worthless pile of land
Translation: you’re just coping and can’t think of anything to say to defend yourself from people’s ridicule. “Gaining land is embarrassing for the invader” . It’s called Artemovsk now btw
You do realise that Russia has lost the war anon?
It's funny how as soon as Bakhmut's fall seems imminent by Wagner/RU forces, we see a sudden BARRAGE on Western mainstream media calling for a peace deal.
>Opinion article by some literally who 5th columnist
NAFO sisters I’m so demoralized
the narrative is changing. you will see an abrupt turnaround, screencap this
>please let me win
>KEY DONBASS CITY GUYS WERE SUPER SERIOUS
Russia is fucking pathetic
Literally, he has no say or control over Ukraine coming and gong as they please right now. He knows that the Ukies have a planned fallback position that is beyond his grasp to dream about taking. When Ukraine falls back to its true line of defense, this shitlicker will claim "it was a gesture of goodwill."
OKay. Here ya' goez.
>anyone that disagrees with me is a heckin' 5th columnist contrarian vatmoron.
Gaining land means fuck all if you can't find a strategic significance to it.
If it's a worthless pile of land, why isn't Ukraine ceding it to Russia?
I think Russia would legit be more interested in trading it for something than fighting for it.
Because Ukraine can make russia bleed while taking it. For an invading force, its not significant aside from being a shooting gallery for the defenders.
>Ukraine wins when they get pushed out of areas they were defending
Where did I say that? Does russia win in the long term? How does the city itself provide a strategic advantage in the long term?
>He doesn’t know that defenders can withdrawal or what the concept of a Pyrrhic victory is
Pyrrhic victory is your script from severodobetsk . “It was just to keep Russia bogged down” is your Mariupol cope . Combine the two for double strength Bakhmut PrepHoleopium.
The definition of pyrrhic victory is best defined by the battle of bakhmut and mariupol. Whats up with russia and them making obvious strategic fuck ups?
And your script has gone from
>Just a week to Kiev, and another to the Rhine. Russia strong!
>Sure it took us 8 months to seize a single town, and we had to recruit prisoners so that the population wouldn’t get upset about sending Moscow babies in human waves, but grand victory!
Back to 4chan gay
>Ukraine losing a city
>but Russia changed strategies so it’s not really a win for them!
>Having to change strategies to a grinding war of attrition against your impoverished neighbor
That’d be like if America invaded Mexico and had to send waves of prisoners recruited in Blackwater to seize Sabinas. Oh and Mexico also sank the USS Gerald R Ford in the Gulf
us would get ass raped by the cartels. they'd pull out as soon as little johnny was beheaded on video
Post El Chapo
In your chinese dreams maybe. An actual U.S invasion of Mexico would be met with cheers and applause from the Mexicans and they'd be pointing out who is cartel and where they are hiding
>WE WILL BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS!
Thats how the russians thought before getting kicked out of kyiv and kharkiv. The image is just pure projection.
First thing I read was 100% Aryan and stopped to laugh, I can't finish that bullshit
>Were totally Aryan and White.
>Average “white” 4chan user
Ethiopia - August 8, 2020
and? even the nogs see how based he is
Is this image satire?
>Is this image satire?
Virgin vs. Chad meme is by its very nature satirical. Do anons not understand how memes work?
Uh, maybe by origin. But the virgin vs chad meme can often times be made without a sense of irony.
hilarious and factual
Left can't meme
And what you're poor right?
It's like being black member of kkk.
Left is obsessed with people who have more than them and cannot comprehend having principles. The drive for punishing those who are successful barely makes you human, and is shared by all of the worst civilizations on this planet. Loser.
>The Right, Principals
Now that's a good joke.
>Implying the cartels wouldn't join the US side
Only a chunk or a vatnik would think what you posted. In reality Mexico would be check-mated long before the military starts to move. All it would take would be for the US government to make cartels into "freedom fighters"
>Laughs as the cartel flays the skin off of billy's face with a boxcutter
god i hate stonetoss
I know torture gets Vatniks ducks hard but come on stop projecting
>implying the cartels aren't under control of the CIA from the start.
Not all of them, the ones you actually hear about probably not on the team. But like I said if the US actually does invade they will all just probably rebrand to some "Mexican freedom front" or something and take over Mexico so their activities will be completely legal and open instead of just understood.
>has to make up a fantasy scenario to win
Cartels have a defacto rule of not fucking with the U.S. government directly.
God damn imagine how much damage the cartels would unleash on the US if they imprisoned El Chapo... oh wait
i didnt realize that he ran all the cartels. sure would be funny if russia decided to help them coup the gov and armed them
poetic one might say
Russia couldn't even coup their neighbor after two attempts and can't help Armenia even though that was the entire point of CIS, they aren't helping cartels that only excel at killing other wetbacks. Now go back to butchering each other to sell burgers avocados lmao
I know what you're hinting at, but there was no coup in Ukraine.
of course we did. we totally had nothing to do with the "arab spring" either
Is this bro serious?
Are you stupid to think that every revolution is somehow CIA or foreign government instigated? By your logic, every revolution in history is inorganic.
>every revolution in history is inorganic.
Name a revolution without outside involvement
Organic revolutions are big and has lots of support. Inorganic revolutions have little support and influence. A revolution will not work if it doesn't have the support of the people.
Probably the French
wasnt he from austria?
>every revolution is somehow CIA
Just the ones that are instigated by the U.S. State Dept. and the CIA, my gaslighting anon
Your idea of an organic revolutions is essentially
>Your idea of an organic revolution
I can't help it if you are historically illiterate.
Only a retarded diversity hire night shift glowmoron would think that one will work. Norm Eisen and color revolutions. Talks of cia backed regime change are as common as water is wet.
>well the cia must have coupled every government in history then
yeah only governments after the cia was founded. Who was giving weapons to the contras? Who was supplying weapons to isis? Yeah the cia has never ever done anything questionable. have a nice day
Soros’ own group—IRF or International Renaissance Foundation—admits in its 2015 annual report that it has spent more than $180 MILLION in Ukraine since 1990.
NED or National Endowment of Democracy is a US taxpayer-funded group that specialises in … ahem … regime change. Its chief, Carl Gershman, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed in 2013 (just before the protests) that “Ukraine is the biggest prize.”
>revolution against the west
Totally natural, nothing to see here
>revolution against none western nations
Ukraine never had a coup. Infact, Yanukovich got outted by his own parliament. A coup would involve the change in all of the government, illegally. Yanukovich was about to get impeached, but he ran away. So the parliament removed him because he abamdoned his position as president to go to russia.
>A coup would involve the change in all of the government, illegally
not necessarily, also it was a chimpout because of Tymoshenko(pro eu) getting voted out
The chimp out was a result of Yanukovich being a terrible and corrupt gay that sold everything to russia. He promised closed relations with the west to only nack track on it. The chimp out eventually lead to his impeachment, which he made a deal with the protesters that he stays within the country while he is in trial. He did not listen and just left the country. Since the parliament has nobody to impeach, they voted to out him since he left the country and defected to russia. Which resulted in them voting to kick him out. This is not the first time Yanukovich started a riot, the last protest started in the 2000s when he was involved in a election fraud scheme.
Michael McFaul—US Ambassador to Russia, 2012–2014—wrote an op-ed in WaPo in 2004 where he asked, “Did Americans meddle in the internal affairs of Ukraine?” Then he answered it, “Yes.”
Why did McFaul write the article? Because in 2004, Soros and other NGOs fomented the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. Basically, the election was won by a pro-Russia guy. So people protested and demanded a new election. Then, a month later, the pro-US guy won the new election with 52% of the votes. Democracy, America-style.
BTW, that guy—Yanukovych—who lost the election in 2004 … ran again in 2010 and won fair and square. That’s why we had Euromaidan
hows langly this time of night?
Thats not really evidences of anything. After the orange revolution, they did some clean up within their governments.
Well, has anyone heard of Brzezinski, the geopolitical expert who influenced US foreign policy for 40 years? He came up with the idea of Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the USSR, created Al Qaeda, and then repeated the same strategy of using Islamic terrorists in the Balkans, the Caucasus, Libya and Syria. Brzezinski explained in The Grand Chessboard that “Ukraine is a geopolitical pivot. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” He also said that Ukraine must be brought into NATO by 2010.
In 2013, Soros, NED and other NGO’s riled up some ordinary people in Kyiv. (BTW, outside Kiev, there were no protests. In many parts of Ukraine, people are very pro-Russia and were happy with President Yanukovych).
Then Neo-Nazi thugs acted as provocateurs and attacked the police with metals, chains, fire-bombs, guns and grenades.
>Then Neo-Nazi thugs acted as provocateurs and attacked the police with metals, chains, fire-bombs, guns and grenades.
>Yea, unlike you.
shills are getting lazy and tired.
I'm having a good time seeing my actions have world stretching consequences
>muh neo nazis
Go back to /leftypol/, gay.
lol fuck off moron
>posting political cartoons
>complain about neo nazis
>complain about rusophobia
Yup, a /leftypol/ chud. Posting the black sun does not take away from the fact that you complained about neo nazis.
Anon why is it illegal to question the holocaust in Russia?
>Anon why is it illegal to question the holocaust in Russia?
Not him, but I'd guess its for the same reason it is illegal in Germany, and the same reason, it will get the ADL on your ass in the U.S? What the fuck is your point you water muddying retard?
Only Russia and Germany outlaws the denial of holocaust. Putin also outlawed the depiction of Mohammed because it was "offensive"
Sixteen European countries, along with Canada and Israel, have laws against Holocaust denial
>Only Russia and Germany outlaws the denial of holocaust.
>outlawed the depiction of Mohammed because it was "offensive"
Then you better not look at how hate crime laws are enforced in the U.K. Get better material retards
I am sorry if someone responds to the retarded distraction shit that you brought up in a way that proves you wrong.
>someone mentions problems about russia and germany
>B-but what about the UK?????????
mentions problems about russia and germany
>>B-but what about the UK?????????
moron brain retard.
>we have an unironic russian shill here
How's the morning in moscow?
>they did some clean up within their governments.
It's totally normal for a foreign government to hand pick government posts after a totally organic 'not revolution' ouster of the elected leader.
Thats not evidences of anything aside from making predictions and suggestions from the whole situation.
>making predictions and suggestions
Yes, making predictions and suggestions is nothing new. Whats next? Going to claim sports are rigged because people placed bets on who will win the most?
>Deflecting this hard
Concession accepted. Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder btw.
Something inorganic wouldn't have this many support or large scale protests. An example of something organic is the Russian attempt at starting riots in odessa and eastern Ukraine, which failed compared to the maiden
US/EU officials engineered protests and chaos and drove a democratically elected president out of the country. Then, without an election, new oligarchs—a billionaire and an IMF guy—were handpicked by the West to become the President and the Prime Minister of Ukraine! Democracy in action!
That’s the truth about the coup in Ukraine, and it hasn’t benefited anyone other than the warmongers. Ukraine is split in half and stuck in a frozen civil war; its debt-to-GDP ratio has doubled; pensions, social services and minimum wages ($140 a month) have been slashed; and the people are still ruled by corrupt oligarchs. The regime change ops also ignited a chain reaction of needless hostility, hysterical Russophobia and crippling sanctions. EU has lost more than $100 billion in trade with Russia in the last four years; and the US has pushed Russia deep into China’s orbit. Just like the neocon adventures in Iraq and Syria, the meddling in Ukraine will go down as another disastrous US foreign policy.
totally normal guiz
I hope has many slavs die as possible because of this war
Yea, unlike you.
Yea, no. Not every revolution is artificial. And if it is, it would not be this big and successful.
Holy fuck, you gays really are no different than liberals.
It's not a disaster just yet, but it will be. The longer this drags on the longer CIA will lose control of the situation and corporate lobbyists will wedge themselves into this mess to profiteer off it for whoever they represent. It'll be just like Afghanistan with no strategy but all the spending.
>replying to your own post
For what reason?
Spoken like a true russian propagandist
>Russia deep into China’s orbit
Why the fuck does that matter? Why do you care about a nation, with similar ambitions to china, get closer to china? Russia being an ally is impossible.
>Why do you care about a nation, with similar ambitions to china, get closer to china?
Tell me you are strategically illiterate without telling me you are strategically illiterate.
Ally with russia is impossible. Russia has its own ambitions, its own goals in regards to how they handle geopolitics. Russia is fundamentally different from the west and cannot comes to terms with it because russia is looking for a master slave relationship, not partnership. Any ambitions about "muh russian" ally is a pipe dream.
I am russian and think you're a gay. The west and russia will never be friends.
>I am russian and think you're a gay.
I am American and don't think much of you at all
>The west and russia will never be friends.
You did not understand my point at all. Germany was plenty interested in buying Russian energy, and that was enough to make U.S. neocons piss their pants. Now Russia can sell energy to China, who is more than fine with supplying them with mfg's goods in exchange.
You seem too retarded to understand the significance of making people rely on your energy. More reliance=more influence. Russia is no exception to this and do not mistake their intent when it comes to doing business. Again, the west and russia will never be friends.
>You seem too retarded
No U , you fucking moron. Why were nordstream pipelines built in the first place you fucking mongrel? You can't even understand the obvious.
Simple, to gain more leverage over those stupid germans. More reliability=more influence. Sorry you don't understand this as a retarded american.
>Simple, to gain more leverage over those stupid germans.
You are a mental midget.
Damn, you really are retarded. You're no different than chechens.
What’s the official narrative about the events in late 2013 and early 2014 in Kiev, Ukraine? There was the spontaneous and peaceful Euro-maidan “revolution” by the great freedom-loving people, which forced the corrupt Ukrainian President to flee the country, right? Not so simple. There are many intriguing facts about geopolitics, 70 years of US meddling in Ukraine, and covert regime-change operations.
First, objectively speaking, it’s curious that a US Senator (John McCain) and the US Assistant Secretary of State (Victoria Nuland) repeatedly attended political protests in another country. Oh, Nuland is also the wife of a prominent warmongering Neocon, Robert Kagan.
Victoria Nuland also admitted during a speech in 2014 that the US had spent $5 BILLION since the 1990s to spread “democracy” in Ukraine.
Thats not evidence that its a coup or anything. Infact, Yanukovich has more ties with the CIA(or the people he knew)than anybody in ukraine.
>Victoria Nuland also admitted during a speech in 2014 that the US had spent $5 BILLION since the 1990s to spread “democracy” in Ukraine.
The U.S. has been sending aid to countries in the post Soviet era to prop up their economies or other shit.
>US Assistant Secretary of State (Victoria Nuland) repeatedly attended political protests
She just happened to be in the neighborhood to drop off muffins and bottled water, nothing to see here goyim.
the citizenry would do fine against the cartels. lucky for the cartes, the US government hates their citizens and oppress them at every opportunity. harm a hair on a cartel members head and prepare to have the full weight of the US government brought down upon you.
You know Russia is going to end up winning this, right?
So this psyop narrative shit, and it will end up the same way no matter what.
Whether it takes 1 year or 10, Russia will defeat Ukraine. And the west still get rich from all of it.
And what if russia didn't win, what will you do?
Nothing. I'm in the u.s. I don't give a shit. But that's not going to happen.
And if it does?
Then great. Good for Ukraine I wish them the best.
But dude, it's not. I'm sorry. The west and zelinsky are dragging you guys into a way worse situation then you should be in.
You are cannon fodder for the west to exploit for a proxy war. You will be sold down the river like every other proxy country.
There is no happy ending for the people of Ukraine. The west will keep moving you all the weapons you need to keep the fight going, while your countrymen die en masse and military industrial machine rakes in the cash.
He knows. That's why xir is being such a whiny moron.
And considering the pre war population of Donetsk Oblast (former Ukraine), it is about the same as Kentucky. It would be like saying Bowling Green is too small to matter if Russia takes it.
False equivalency, gay. If you are invading those states, then you need to capture strategic areas to make it more easier to capture the rest. Bakhmut is an example of sunk cost fallacy on a military level.
After losing izyum and lyman, yes its insignificant. Whats the point if you don't have the territories to make it significant?
>It would be like saying Bowling Green is too small to matter if Russia takes it.
Nah man, it's like they lost more than TWO Beverly Hills! Or 3/4s of a Compton!
You mean just 4chan and really just them seething and shitting in their sheets and streets? And why the fuck did they fight harder for Bakhmut than Kherson?
>Your damage control is why people on other boards make fun of /k
lol no. Everyone laughs at 4chan (you) for being a bunch schizo retards who hooked their horse to wrong wagon, for no reason other than pure contrarianism, and now refuse to back down at of stubborn autism.
>Russia is tasked with liberating the entire territory of the DPR
Yeah. "Liberating". Not because they tried to conquer the entirety of Ukraine only to get their shit slapped back.
>would somehow be embarrassing for the invader.
It is embarrassing. Just as Hostomel was embarrassing. Just as Moskva was embarrassing. Just as the 40km convoy was embarrassing. Just as this entire war has been one big, giant embarrassment for Russia.
>You are a joke.
The only joke is that you vatniks somehow still think that anyone takes you clowns and circus a country seriously.
>only to get their shit slapped back
Then why are you here today doing damage control about cities in Ukraine being taken by Russian forces?
take it to your tumblr blog, fruitcake
>how is winning in Bakhmut not strategically significant for Russia?
>Because Russia has lost the war.
> claimed Bakhmut is keeping Russians bogged down from advancing in other areas. In light of this, how is winning in Bakhmut not strategically significant for Russia?
How would it be? Line just moves a little bit back. They’re not capturing anything but a symbolic victory that’s not actually to have too much of an effect on slowing down their attrition rate or creating any kind of victory conditions.
Like in terms of grand strategy what do you think they’re accomplishing by blasting through all that armor and men for months to then have to divert more men to occupying a dead city when they’re basically nowhere closer to ending the war?
Bakhmut does not provide a strategic advantage. You think this is a game, but seiging a city will cost alot of resources. If the city provides no significance, then it will just lead to your forces suffering from stagnation in their offensive operations. Russia winning in bakhmut does not have any strategic significance and nothing in that city will help their momentum in other areas.
then why are they trying to hard to surround and take it?
Because russians are bad at war.
Propaganda. They’ve humiliated themselves at it and need it to show the unhappy populace back home that “We can’t still win!”
All while in the terms of the war it lost its grander strategic importance after it successfully delayed their offensive.
Sunk cost fallacy. Originally, it was important until the kharkiv offensive took territories that made bakhmut significant.
Because after a year of failure they need ANY sort of victory. Bakhmut is for morale/propaganda purposes only. Monke only wants it so he can assure the masses that this entire invasion wasn't a huge mistake that will cost them everything.
>Why does Russia want it then
This has been a subject of debate for months. Nobody knows what Russia is trying to do with Bakhmut. The amount of men and material lost in trying to take this dumb fucking town doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't have a large population, whatever infrastructure it once had is completely destroyed, it has no natural resources, it has nothing. Tankies, Russians, and Russian apologists think there is some huge 5D Chess/Galaxy brain IQ behind the assault.
The truth however is that it was a town that was close to Russian supply routes so it made sense to try and take it. But the UA army had no intention of giving up any ground to the Russians without a fight. Russia continued to attack with their army being made up mostly of Wagner PMCs and Russian convicts so to the Russian leadership not much was being lost. But at this point Russia has lost hundreds of vehicles and equipment trying to take it and Putin is desperate for a win, even if it's for a ruined town like Bakhmut. Russia will likely take the town but the cost has been fucking enormous and it will be a pyrrhic victory.
>Nobody knows what Russia is trying to do with Bakhmut
Incorporate it in Russia like the rest of the land they conquered in this war so far.
Then why did they give up Kherson?
if nothing else it's pretty impressive how every defeat and every step backwards is a victory for ukraine somehow.
Your right, clearly Ukraine can’t win with what it has, we must double our supply shipments to Ukraine immidiately
Let's just cut to the chase and have some Ohio-class submarines surface offshore near St. Petersburg
>MacArthur reportedly told Truman that he was confident of early success in the North Korean offensive, and that he no longer feared Chinese intervention.
>Just 10 days later, the Chinese army, which had been secretly massing at the border, made its first attack on the allies. In the days that followed, the allies' headquarters received intelligence that Chinese forces were hidden in the North Korean mountains, but this was disregarded.
>The Chinese troops withdrew, and the allies interpreted these initial skirmishes as simply defensive. Undeterred, General MacArthur ordered a bold offensive on 24 November to push right up to the Yalu River, which marked the border between North Korea and north-east China.
>He optimistically hoped this would finish the war and allow the troops "home by Christmas". But it was instead to mark yet another turning point in the conflict. The next day, about 180,000 Chinese "volunteers" attacked.
>A shocked MacArthur told Washington: "We face an entirely new war."
>He ordered a long and humiliating retreat - performed in sub-zero temperatures - which took the troops below the 38th parallel by the end of December.
>As Chinese troops unleashed a renewed offensive, the allies were forced to withdraw south of Seoul in January 1951. Here, in the relatively open terrain of South Korea, the UN troops were better able to defend themselves.
>After a few more months of fighting, the front eventually stabilised in the area of the 38th parallel.
Imagine unironically calling a military operation "Home by Christmas Offensive" lmao, no wonder MacArthur tried to use nukes after he got BTFO'd by the chinks and the war got dragged on for years (the same way Putin keeps threatening to use nukes after his 3 day SMO failed and is being dragged on right now with no victory in sight):
>This fucking false equivalency. Again.
I forget, how many casualties did the combined UN/south Korean forces suffer during this controlled retreat? And, how many Chinese/North Korean casualties were there in the bugstorm meatwave?
Please refresh my memory. Last I heard, China doesn't occupy South Korea, either.
Guess what fucked up the Chinese? Shitty Logistics. They only carried supplies for:
They broke when the Americans STOOD their ground and let the Chinese exhaust their limited supplies. The Chinese sacrificed supply chain for lighting speed.
Seriously PrepHole, you want to knock a massive army off balance? Strike the Logistics.
Ukraine War has shown us this a thousand times over.
Yes, MacArthur was a retarded gay failure, just like the retard that keeps spamming that gay 'mcarthur' cartoon.
I've heard the line "Land does not matter in a battle of attrition" argument thrown around a bit, but it is a bit more nuanced;
If the rate at which you take land is sustainable at both a political, military and economic level, it matters.
If taking land allows you to break out of attrition, it matters.
If the enemy does not have adequate land themselves, it matter. Because losing all your land is typically a loss condition for any nation.
Unfortunately for the Russians, none of these are true for them, so they are stuck in a doctrine and pacing that will see them reach Kiev in about twice the male Russian population and a full generation worth of time.
Because war isn't a purely militarily affair, anon. In fact, most wars aren't lost due to military depletion, but due to economic and political depletion. For Ukraine, there is a strong political argument both domestic and for their foreign policy to set up these "david and goliath" situations where they make any Russian victory look utterly unsustainable.
The blunt fact is Russians are fucking jokes at Attrition Warfare.
It all boils down to KILL RATIO. If the force you are trying to wear down has Lend-Lease, all the motivation in the world to kill you, superior equipment, lots of volunteers, and can kill you in much greater numbers.........
You're fucked. You end up getting worn down yourself.
And Ukraine has ZERO interest in talking to Russia now. They want fucking blood. Welcome back to Bakhmut, Vatniks. Enjoy the fun Russians via the greatest show unearthed. Have this song to set the mood for your upcoming visit to hell.
Politics? Politics is Ukrainians getting angrier and angrier with a bloodlust we haven't seen since the fucking Viet Cong.
We could drop a million meat cleavers into Bakhmut and the Ukrainians would unironically use them.
made it to the gates of Moscow, they gained land and completed an objective
lost land and failed to win
a bigdory is a bigdory and a lobs is a lobs, deal bid id =====DDDD
>losing 20k plus young men for a shitty town of no value
a town of no value that dear leader zelensky fought tooth and nail to hold and ultimately failed to do so. cope, seethe, and dilate
Only because russmorons kept flinging bodies at it for some retarded reason.
Like the Ukrainians didn't do the same trying to keep the city.
Ukrainians are not the ones invading and they did not expect the city to last this long either. It was originally supposed to fall in last spring.
Attackers take fuckload more casualties though so defending is obviously preferable. But you already knew that and just wanted to act retarded.
what's done is done. go ahead, move more ukrainians into bakhmut to grind up those russian invaders. wait... oh wait... oh my... oh no that's right you can't anymore.
So russia has officially captured all of bakhmut? Oh, no? Then why are you implying that it did? Oh, cause you need at least some kind of win for a whole year of humiliation? Well, too bad you ain't getting it lmao
Go ahead, take the city back. What's stopping Ukraine from taking the city? Ukraine is so big and powerful, go ahead and push those Russians right back to Moscow. Come on, when are they going to do it? It has been a year of Russian humiliation, but Ukraine still hasn't pushed them completely out of their country yet so what gives.
>hasn't pushed them completely out of their country yet
True but then the entire Russian conventional military would not be destroyed and Ukraine would be back at square one. To win Ukraine had to destroy the Russian military and its stocks of modern weapons and that's always been the case. Russia has of course lost the war. Anyone who follows it and is not a Russian propagandists knows Russia has lost. PrepHole formally declared the war over yesterday and PrepHole is never wrong.
>Anyone who follows it and is not a Russian propagandists knows Russia has lost.
Ukraine is poorest country in europe and Russia is 2nd military on the planet, so it'll take some time. Also, ukraine can't take back bakmut since russians didn't capture it yet. After 8 months. Pathetic. Embarrassing. Russia.
>It is embarrassing. Just as Hostomel was embarrassing. Just as Moskva was embarrassing. Just as the 40km convoy was embarrassing. Just as this entire war has been one big, giant embarrassment for Russia.
It's funny how in the middle of a war, all one side can think about embarrassment, and humiliation. Neither are military factors, or objectives. I guess Russia is supposed to pack up and leave from embarrassment?
>The definition of pyrrhic victory is best defined by the battle of bakhmut and mariupol.
Interesting how Russia manages successive pyrrhic victories.
Surprisingly Pyrrhus survived multiple pyrrhic victories as well. It’s almost like the term has some nuance and meaning to it
Some chuds and the NAFO founder explain in this 2 minute video. They are trying to use humor as a weapon lol
A cartoon dog really mindbroke you morons into utilizing them as a strawman for anything pro Ukrainian.
nice gaslighting you fucking gay. have a nice day
Utilizing them as a strawman never works and its just make people not take you seriously.
obvious leftist gay. Go back.
>deflecting to leftists because you're too retarded to justify a strawman
No. You redbit tourists are so fucking transparent and pathetic.
>if you disagree with me, then you're a redditor!
Says the redditor lmao
>nafo chud out of responses, only left with “no you”
PrepHole is such shit now that they send the B squad trannies
“Cartoon dog” damage control, followed by an awkward sentence about people “not taking you seriously” if you make fun of NAFO. Looks like we may have a live example here kek
When did I defend them, gay? All I said is being mindbroken by a group of trannies to the point of strawmanning is funny. Not even defending them because they are gays, like you.
You’re still speeding out because someone made fun of them, and using your weak, likely female written, m script about everything being embarrassing or socially unacceptable to cope
>projecting this hard
>4chinz iz srs bzns gys
lol. lmao even.
Never claimed that
>let me just gaslight a little bit more
once more. have a nice day
Says the one that is trying to strawman.
>a cartoon dog
Do cartoon dogs usually have founders who appear on the Center for strategic international studies? Get a better script dumbass
You tards were calling yourselves that up until last September when someone figured out how ridiculous it made you trannies look
Are these trannies.. in the room with you right now?
Are my knuckles bloody from crushing the skull of some freakshow? No? Then I guess not.
I totally believe you have a positive k/d. I bet San Francisco shuts down for the day when you blow into town.
I don't speak fairy and have zero idea what this psychobabble means
Why don't you go play bloody knuckles at the local gay bar or whatever you were crying about earlier if you can't read.
Lol, trannies mad. No, I will not go harass upstanding gay folk on your behalf. It's funny how they find you just as creepy as I do.
You've gone from killing trannies on sight to LARPing as a gay ally. I've been outplayed. You win this round of bantz, anon.
if I'm larping then it's super weird that my dick smells like butt
Post (1) example
This applies to you too, nerd.
Lol is this a bot programmed to counter samefagging?
What was the point of the screenshot?
Post (1) example of this magical place calling themselves Nafo, bonus if its not satire
>Go search archives for me
No, you fucking weirdo. How disconnected from reality are you that you think it's not super fucking weird to try and order someone to do this? Again, you are an obvious redditfag as this is the kind of bullshit that's commonplace there. Go be a gaynerd somewhere else.
i accept your concession
Ok, fag. Give yourself a gold star and then go tell the other nerds on reddit that you totes pwnd a natsi or something. So pathetic.
I am a nazi
>The most boring, milquetoast, mediocrities, explain how they will obliterate their information war opposition in monotone
>Are these trannies.. in the room with you right now?
They are on twitter posting NAFO cringe, which is why the anons had to drop it. It was just too obvious what the nature of the western Ukraine support base was.
Twitter and social media are not a representation of everyone. This is exactly how misinterpretation of election results in both 2016 and 2020 happened. Because people assume social media support is automatically a representation for all.
>No, NOT THAT PROOF!!!
>This is exactly how misinterpretation of election results in both 2016 and 2020 happened.
I guess that's easily explained by Twitter hiring its own FBI filed office ahead of the 2020 election.
Twitter represents a significant amount, but not all. And twitter is not the only social media platform.
>And twitter is not the only social media platform.
Do you have an actual point to make, or just pointing out the obvious?
>>310 post and 59 posters
310/59 = ~5 per anon
>NO you can't heckin post more than once per thread!!!!!
>I guess Russia is supposed to pack up and leave from embarrassment?
It would be the best decision they could make right now.
>It would be the best decision they could make right now.
Unfortunately for Ukraine, it doesn't work that way, so they are going to have to settle for more dead Ukrainians.
>more dead goblins
>more dead orcs
Sounds like a win-win to me
>>more dead goblins
>>more dead orcs
>Sounds like a win-win to me
No actual skin off my ass either, just the U.S. gov't (or rather a faction of it) be-clowning itself once again.
Why would Ukraine risk capturing bakhmut after its been captured? Thats a good way to strain your forces. Do you know how much resources it takes to seige and take over a city?
Not all victories are created equal. Is it worth losing 1,000 men to claim a mile? How about 10,000? How about 100,000? How about a million? The goal is to win a war, not a battle, or even multiple battles. If I were in a war I’d happily deal with insignificant losses if it meant killing fuckloads of the enemy, knowing I’d be coming back later and taking it right back.
the ukraine foreign legion is recruiting and has plenty of spots that just opened up mr. armchair general. why don't you go join them
Russia occupied all of the following when the Battle of Bakhmut first started:
you're supposed to use that with a greentext, reddit
now it looks like you're implying you're a chochol saying "absolute state of PrepHoleope"
Just take the fucking L you propagandist fucks.
Fuckers are receive top of the line equipment, causing casualties and they still act it's the end of the world and the Russians are in Kyiv again.
Goddamn it's just as annoying as Zigger propaganda.
>kill 50k+ vatniks for free
>pull out successfully when the town is rubble
There's no L to be seen let alone to be taken
>russia will lose the town in spring anyway
These threads are just Discord shills arguing with each other
So, what's so important about this city anyway? Why does the media want me to care about some random city?
I don't know. Knowing russia, there's nothing left after they're done with it so it's nothing more than rubbish and pride. Though both can be the same thing in this case.
The Ziggers have been real quiet about this decisive Ukrainian victory
Keep coping Putin
>this video, that video WAAHHHH WAHHHH
Just post some fucking combat footage of Russians killing Ukes and Ukes killing Russians
What happened did Russia take Bahmut?
No, russia failed miserably. The brave defenders of Bakhmut stand firm and victorious atop endless piles of vatmorons corpses. The Ukrainian flag still flies in the city. The defense of Bakhmut was an outstanding, quick, and decisive Ukrainian victory.
>Get your shit pushed in despite sending half your army to hold a city
>somehow this is a victory
Lol. Lamo even.
>half of your army
>can't even read the meanings behind the labels
If half the Ukrainian army is there, then why is russia not advancing in other areas?
Russia lost like 50k fagners against like 3k defenders lmao. Cope some more shitskin.
Stop reposting this same reply on more than one thread bot
He's admitted to raiding here in another thread.
But has he said why exactly?
does someone have a key for this
Bakhmut appears to have mostly light and motorized infantry. This coincides with reports I've heard of the city being manned mostly by conscripts while the better trained army is on other fronts or training in different countries.
Also, the "x"s signify that they're brigade-sized, so that's at least 2,000 and less than 20,000 according to NATO terms. My money's on the lower end for these.
ok cool so advance on the rest of the front whilst the enemy is pinned down in one place?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
>Humiliating defeat (yes, defeat) as losing close to 10-15k to capture 42 km2 of non strategic land is defeat
The correct term is "pyrrhic victory"
"If your enemy wins, you win" -- Justin Nafeau
>So basically because you won and we make up your casualty numbers it really means you lost (Yes, lost according to us)
>No, nevermind our casualties
Hoholmorons and their simps are so tiresome
Casualties for the defending force means fuck all in a invasion.
10-15k is extremely generous, given that Wagner claimed to have lost 30k just by themselves before the start of the year
There's zero proof of said "heavy ukrainian casualties" unlike countless videos of rusmorons dying by the hundreds over and over again
Hohol Potter and the strategically insignificant impenetrable fortress that doesn’t matter
Turns out it was impenetrable, because the eastern, south-eastern and southern line hasn't fucking moved deeper into the suburbs for weeks now. And realistically it only will once Ukraine pulls back beyond the river.
then why do russia keep sending people to die there?
you will never be a woman
Where's all the webms? I know they be happening but I'm surprised people aren't posting them just to dance on the retards still being pro-russian
The Russian performance in Ukraine is very similar to the US in the Korean war:
>The original plan for Operation Showdown called for simultaneous attacks on both Triangle Hill and Sniper Ridge. One battalion from the US 31st Infantry Regiment, 7th Infantry Division would take Triangle Hill from Gimhwa-eup, while one battalion from the ROK 32nd Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division would attack Sniper Ridge along a parallel northbound route. UN planners expected the operation to last no more than five days with 200 casualties on the UN side.
>The immediate UN objective was Triangle Hill (38°19′17″N 127°27′52″E), a forested ridge of high ground 2 kilometers (1.2 mi) north of Gimhwa-eup. The hill was occupied by the veterans of the PVA's 15th Corps. Over the course of nearly a month, substantial US and Republic of Korea Army (ROK) forces made repeated attempts to capture Triangle Hill and the adjacent Sniper Ridge. Despite clear superiority in artillery and aircraft, the escalating UN casualties resulted in the attack being halted after 42 days of fighting, with PVA forces regaining their original positions.
Both "military superpowers" greatly underperformed despite having clear superiority in firepower against supposedly "weaker" opponents (Ukraine now and China back in Korea)
I still don’t see how Ziggers can possibly see anything that happened at Bakhmut as a win. The supposedly 2nd most powerful army in the world that can crush NATO and make it to the Rhine in a week… took 8th months to take a single town, being forced to utilize waves of penal soldiers to force a war of attrition. For once again a single town
All the way back to Mariupol, every time Google get surrounded in a city, there are shills on PrepHole saying it’s still a loss for Russia, the city doesn’t matter, conquering entire cities is humiliating for Russia, and it was only a feint to delay them. The same script each time.
Hohols get surrounded*
Anon, mariupol did fuck all in the russian advances aside from bogging all their btgs in one area. Mariupol was originally supposed to bog down russian forces from the rest of Donetsk to buy some time.
Post Kherson (eternal Russian clay)
Of course. Russians are fucking barbarians making play they're civilized.
This is some amazingly salty seethe. When all you have is accusing the victor of being corrupt, the longer term outlook cannot be very good.
How bad is Ukraine losing that Wagner founder is asking Zelensky to let Ukrainian soldiers retreat before they all get killed.
You know shit has hit the fan when your enemy is begging you to save the lives of your own soldiers and not let them die cause of your ego.
If you failed to capture a city in 9 months and begging the enemy to surrender, thats not a sign of winning.
Old men and teenagers are sent into battle. Limited training, poor equipment and little artillery, armour or air support. They are up against Wagner units full of Spetnaz. I’m glad these guys were captured and will survive.
What about russian forces?
The shills and psychopaths are still hardlining zelensky not negotiating. It's unbelievable.
Why won't russia just leave the country? All of this could have ended if russia just leave.
Putin had legitimate grievances and demands that were mostly reasonable. Zelensky shut down talks. Nobody had to die.
Most of those demands were bullshit. Putin just wants Ukraine for a neosoviet ambition and resources. Russia could have left the country and nobody has to die.
>shuts down negotiations because fuck Russia
>gets ass kicked by Russia
I'm a victim. Give me money!
>robber invades your house
>you fight back the robber
Yes, if someone invades your fucking home, you're the victim.
Either way you're at their mercy.
Bucha proves they don't have much mercy
>at their mercy
You fight back to retain your land, property and culture. The robber is there to steal that, so you fight back. Are you this much of a cuck to just let people waltz in to your home, rape your wife and steal your belongings in exchange for peace? Mext time someone invades your home, don't fucking bother fighting back.
>slap your neighbors kids around
>surprised that they come onto your property to kick your ass.
Yes, russians are invading and are suprised to see a form of resistance.
you're fucking embarrassing with this goofy bullshit
If someone invades your home, you're automatically the victim. You have all rights to defend your property and land from unlawful invaders.
Cool story, goober. I guess no invasion has ever been justified.
Russian invasion of Ukraine is not justified by any means, retard.
Cry more, nerd.
Someone today mentioned the shills not really caring about Ukrainians and only wanting to harm Russia, and there were a bunch of responses saying “yes, and?”
I honestly think the combination of pharmaceuticals and war video games has short circuited a lot of people to the point where they're questionably human.
They should have pushed for peace after the Kherson withdrawal. Any fair peace deal at this point would include serious Ukraine concessions and there is just no way the US and EU will accept that.
How about russia leaving the country? Why won't russia go back to its country?
But they won't.
So now what?
Then just force them out. You kill or injure the robber that invades your house. Are you going to let someone invade your house and rape your wife as an exchange for peace?
>Then just force them out.
Have you considered putting in an application to be secretary of defense for Ukraine? You sound like a brilliant strategist.
An option to force someone out is always on the table.
Kiev rulers murdered 14.000 people in Donbass since 2014. 500 were children. RUSSIAN children
No evidences to support this. Majority of none military deaths were associated with mines, why do you morons keep spreading this?
How can you believe anything coming from either country?
The first casualty of war is truth. Everything you learn about this conflict is probably a lie. From both sides.
So not a single human life lost? based
>the west giving Ukraine cold war leftovers is destroying the collation of Russia, India, Iran, North Korea, and Israel while scaring China out of invading Taiwan
>let Ukrainian soldiers retreat before they all get killed
Ukraine is currently evacuating anyone and everyone who wants to leave. There was about a 72-73K population before the invasion in Feb 2022. as of this past week, the population was under 4000, the last remaining die hards, some of whom are vatnik supporters waiting to be liberated by Wagner and refuse to leave.
There is no "let" happening here. Ukraine still comes and goes as it pleases as of this very minute. They are sending supplies, ammo, and soldiers into Bakhmut right now (today, this minute as I type this) to kill more vatmorons.
Which also addresses the lie that over a week ago nobody could evacuate the wounded. bullshit. They are evacuating the wounded still today. vatmorons have no say in the matter. There are still reporters physically inside Bakhmut broadcasting live at this very minute.
Wagner has not captured Bakhmut, nor encircled it, nor cut off Ukraine from going in or leaving.
youtube, search string "france 24 bakhmut" and watch live and near-live reporting:
Also of note, France24 and several other media outlets are using language from Kremlin disinfo scripts in their reporting for some incomprehensible reason. Probably to make it look like a horse race of some sort to keep it exciting and generate clicks & views. Idiotic phrases like "most important battle of the war" keep cropping up without a shred of explanation or evidence to support it. By omission, they are also lying about Bakhmut being a temporary delaying action from 9 months ago that has somehow turned into a massive clown circus for vatmoronstan.
russia is pulling of the first Pyrrhic Loss in human history, for a small town that they turned into a gravel pit with continuous artillery bombardment. There's nothing left except burning rubble.
If the hohols are so weak, and ziggers so strong, why hasn't bakhmut fallen
If he cared at all, he wouldn't have shut down negotiations. We know he still doesn't care because he still refuses to entertain peace talks. I just hope enough of his troops survive that they can overthrow this monster after this is over.
Whats the point of negotiating with a party that wants your territory? Would you give up your country's land over a false pretense of peace?
Yeah, I'd give away California and DC for free. He didn't have to "give away" any of it had he not broken off negotiations.
Yea, just like how germany wanted to negotiate for peace with poland?
>I'd give away California and DC for free
And I'd happily squeeze your balls through a garlic press. If only wishes were fishes.
>begging pls leave in a propaganda video after spending the last few weeks fighting with everyone in the Russian military about ammo is a sign of strength
This really is Schrödingers Bakhmut. The strategically most valuable but at the same time strategically most irrelevant city in all of Ukraine.
If it is valuable, it’s loss is devastating for the war effort. If it’s irrelevant, Ukraine just sacrificed close to a hundred thousand men to defend it.
What people also don’t get is the same injury rate of the Ukraine. Combat losses are high enough, injured personnel is arguably worse. Needing care and often unable to be reintegrated due to missing limbs. All for Bakhmut.
I’m pretty sure in the future this will be seen as one of great blunders, holding strategically unimportant sites has never been a winning strategy.
Source: The same dude that was telling about the Ghost of Kiev and Bucha
Yeah, i definitely believe it
>You do realise that Russia has lost the war anon?
I can't tell if that's satire or delusional chudbabble
I say that Bakhmut proves that the Wagner group is being targeted by the top officials of the Russian military by being sent purposefully into meat grinders
its is currently 10 am in russia
This thread was probably linked on 4chan or /leftypol/. So its either genuine shills or just retards from those 2 places.
>if you take the city, you lose
If that "city" is a bombed out rubble that no longer has any strategic value while every other taken city gets liberated then yes. You traded gold and got tin
It was a blunder to waste so much resources into defending Bakhmut. The Russians got what they wanted, they baited the Ukrainians into defending some strategically unimportant town where they'll get their forces destroyed via attrition. Russia/Wagner doesn't care about their casualties, they can replace them easily, but every Ukrainian killed is a soldier Ukraine can't replace.
Literally 99% is seething about some meme people only know because 4chan is full or redditors
Every bullet point can be applied to both sides except for the 42km2
TRULY an embarrassing victory. Whatever, bakhmut garrison has fulfilled its combat mission
>an embarrassing victory
yes let the delicious cope FLOW
>310 post and 59 posters
Totally organic and not full of samegayry and the same people replying to each other.
>full of samegayry and the same people replying to each other.
its called a conversation
I get the vibes from this poster
, that if this was 4chan and you hovered over their ID, it would say 61 posts by this ID
I get the feeling you're the one that will have that amount of replies by this ID. But people can utilize proxies and use different IDs.
Anyone notice how shitposting kicks into high gear when the sun is up in India?
>when the sun is up in India?
It's almost 12am in U.S. Western Time zone.
And almost 3 am in eastern timezone. 🙂
>And almost 3 am in eastern timezone
Hello insomniac fren
they don't call this board PrepHoleope for nothing
I do not condone this illegal war, this illegal encirclement and this illegal thread
ukraine gibs russia its rightful clay
>forcefully displace the population
>make referendums that you control and known to scew
>make up results
>LOOK! 90% VOTED TO JOIN
Is this image ironic?
Because Russia deported the true locals to Siberia and imported RU shitskins so there would be less political resistance
From 1930 to 1952, the government of the Soviet Union, on the orders of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin under the direction of the NKVD official Lavrentiy Beria, forcibly transferred populations of various groups. These actions may be classified into the following broad categories: deportations of "anti-Soviet" categories of population (often classified as "enemies of the people"), deportations of entire nationalities, labor force transfer, and organized migrations in opposite directions to fill ethnically cleansed territories. Dekulakization marked the first time that an entire class was deported, whereas the deportation of Soviet Koreans in 1937 marked the precedent of a specific ethnic deportation of an entire nationality.
>From 1930 to 1952
Anon, that was 70-90 years ago. Those people are all dead.
No, they are not and their off springs can inherit their will
>believing in bullshit referendums that are obviously bullshit
Anon, don't tell me you believe in the results like a retard?
So when the Russians gather in the center of Bakhmut to celebrate will UAF shell the shit out of it?
Of course. They'll just relentlessly bombard it with precision strikes via HIMARS. What the fuck is Prozakobitch going to do? Dare visit the ruins and get his ass capped?
It's Artyomovsk since yesterday anon.
Uncle Vanya sends another batch of Kiev govt soldiers back home.
He said they fought bravely and handles their remains respectfully.
>if they win they lose
is this the new PrepHoleope?