Could you to make a drone that autonomously circles a jammed area to figure out which direction the jamming is coming from, and then moves toward it until it spots something that looks like a jammer?
Don't some jammers work by literally masking the actual location of the jammer, or making it look like it's actually multiple jammers in different locations?
Some top of the line newer US systems can use two or more hammers to create a fake jammer placed somewhere between them. Iirc, only deployed, or planned to be deployed, on ships.
You don't even need to make it smart enough to spot the jammer. If something is emitting EW radiation in a predictable and loud manner, it's trivial to tell a drone to fly towards it.
your garden variety jammers aren't worth HARMs. very few targets are high enough priority for air-launched anything, so far in this war.
we have a whole playbook of techniques for direction-finding and suppression of enemy EW. some are very primitive and others are sophisticated. some use airbone platforms as elint probes, yes. can't say much.
can you please please please elaborate on this, perhaps one example for the simple and another for the more sophisticated. That wagner movies really open my eyes on how embedded drones are one modern war. Also checked trips.
NTA but I'll give it a go. Small jammers like this only deal with a few frequencies and a relatively small area, so delivering a HARM isn't worth risking the aircraft and consuming a missile that would be better used taking out Russian anti air radars.
As for some methods, primitive wise you can roughly triangulate anything like this with 2 blokes and something to measure the signal strength. Remember these jammers broadcast vast quantities of useless noise on the frequencies they are set up to jam so there's plenty of signal to work with even with such a caveman method. If you really want to pinpoint it, you might be able to measure the delays between repeating patterns to determine distances pretty accurately similar to how a GPS measures the difference in time between signals from satellites to determine its location.
I'm certain there's more ways to locate one of these but that's what I can come up with off the top of my head.
Tiny jammer not worth BIG anti-radiation missile. Easy to locate jammer because it’s basically SCREAMING noise at certain frequencies to make controlling drones (using radio waves on those frequencies being jammed) more difficult. Ideally jamming the guidance for the drone, which is radio operated. Since it’s trivial to locate an RF emission source it’s trivial to blow it up with something smaller, like the drones the Ukies used. The reason jamming works on airborne platforms is that it’s harder to pin down an emission source moving at Mach 2, among other reasons that I can’t say for OPSEC reasons.
If you want to learn more about jamming and EW then read up on the Serbian War, where the NATO Air Force was so effective at suppressing Serbian AA that Serbian SAM operators were scared to turn their radars on for longer than a second or two at a time. Yes you can drive/reposition a ground based vehicle mounted guidance radar, but it’s a lot slower than a plane in the air. The Serbs fired thousands of AA missiles during that war, but only managed to down 3 NATO planes, and a handful of helicopters. An air launched HARM that homes-on-jam (uses its receive antenna to locate an RF emission source) can’t be jammed by screaming noise at it. That’s literally what it’s using to home in on.
So, a jammer is just a radio signal that drowns out other radio signals in its frequency at the most basic. Imagine you have one somewhere nearby. Now imagine that you have a directional antenna, you adjust it so that the jammer is the loudest and note the direction. Then you ask your buddy a mile away to do the same. You know where you are, you know where your buddy is, you know how far apart you are, and you know the angle that the jammer is at, now you just find the last point in the triangle. If you have more buddies with antennas you can get a more precise location. It helps sometimes to imagine radio as visible light. Imagine there is a guy with a really bright light off in the distance and basically any method you can think of to locate him will have an analogous radio method.
You could put a transceiver in an FPV drone and do this for cheaper than a HARM. A HARM is a homing anti-radiation missile btw. It’s literally it’s job to home in on radar emitters, so any further questions about “could a harm target a hammer if…” are “yes, absolutely!”
What do you mean? I can justify it easily. >Mobiks seething about drones >King monke declares "is fine, deploying "new" drone jammers, drones no longer problem xaxaxa" >Mobiks have their morale restored from 1 to 2, (out of 100), enough they're more willing to come out of their rat holes to die again
The fact they don't actually do shit doesn't matter to king monke.
it will never not be funny to me how when "soldiers" pretend to look tough they always without fail take this moronic pose like theyre about to take a shit.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/21/russia-deploys-silok-jammers-to-ground-ukraines-drones-ukraine-hunts-down-the-siloks-with-you-guessed-it-drones
Russians are stupid.
Could you to make a drone that autonomously circles a jammed area to figure out which direction the jamming is coming from, and then moves toward it until it spots something that looks like a jammer?
"home on jam" has been a feature of anti-radiation missiles and some air-to-air missiles for a couple of decades, so it's definitely possible
Don't some jammers work by literally masking the actual location of the jammer, or making it look like it's actually multiple jammers in different locations?
Some top of the line newer US systems can use two or more hammers to create a fake jammer placed somewhere between them. Iirc, only deployed, or planned to be deployed, on ships.
You don't even need to make it smart enough to spot the jammer. If something is emitting EW radiation in a predictable and loud manner, it's trivial to tell a drone to fly towards it.
can you program HARMs to do this? it could present a dilemma for ruskies
>turn off jammer, get swarmed by angry drones
>turn on jammer, get hit with HARM
your garden variety jammers aren't worth HARMs. very few targets are high enough priority for air-launched anything, so far in this war.
we have a whole playbook of techniques for direction-finding and suppression of enemy EW. some are very primitive and others are sophisticated. some use airbone platforms as elint probes, yes. can't say much.
can you please please please elaborate on this, perhaps one example for the simple and another for the more sophisticated. That wagner movies really open my eyes on how embedded drones are one modern war. Also checked trips.
NTA but I'll give it a go. Small jammers like this only deal with a few frequencies and a relatively small area, so delivering a HARM isn't worth risking the aircraft and consuming a missile that would be better used taking out Russian anti air radars.
As for some methods, primitive wise you can roughly triangulate anything like this with 2 blokes and something to measure the signal strength. Remember these jammers broadcast vast quantities of useless noise on the frequencies they are set up to jam so there's plenty of signal to work with even with such a caveman method. If you really want to pinpoint it, you might be able to measure the delays between repeating patterns to determine distances pretty accurately similar to how a GPS measures the difference in time between signals from satellites to determine its location.
I'm certain there's more ways to locate one of these but that's what I can come up with off the top of my head.
Tiny jammer not worth BIG anti-radiation missile. Easy to locate jammer because it’s basically SCREAMING noise at certain frequencies to make controlling drones (using radio waves on those frequencies being jammed) more difficult. Ideally jamming the guidance for the drone, which is radio operated. Since it’s trivial to locate an RF emission source it’s trivial to blow it up with something smaller, like the drones the Ukies used. The reason jamming works on airborne platforms is that it’s harder to pin down an emission source moving at Mach 2, among other reasons that I can’t say for OPSEC reasons.
If you want to learn more about jamming and EW then read up on the Serbian War, where the NATO Air Force was so effective at suppressing Serbian AA that Serbian SAM operators were scared to turn their radars on for longer than a second or two at a time. Yes you can drive/reposition a ground based vehicle mounted guidance radar, but it’s a lot slower than a plane in the air. The Serbs fired thousands of AA missiles during that war, but only managed to down 3 NATO planes, and a handful of helicopters. An air launched HARM that homes-on-jam (uses its receive antenna to locate an RF emission source) can’t be jammed by screaming noise at it. That’s literally what it’s using to home in on.
It would be like using an anti-materiel rifle to shoot a rat.
overkill and a waste of resources.
So, a jammer is just a radio signal that drowns out other radio signals in its frequency at the most basic. Imagine you have one somewhere nearby. Now imagine that you have a directional antenna, you adjust it so that the jammer is the loudest and note the direction. Then you ask your buddy a mile away to do the same. You know where you are, you know where your buddy is, you know how far apart you are, and you know the angle that the jammer is at, now you just find the last point in the triangle. If you have more buddies with antennas you can get a more precise location. It helps sometimes to imagine radio as visible light. Imagine there is a guy with a really bright light off in the distance and basically any method you can think of to locate him will have an analogous radio method.
You could put a transceiver in an FPV drone and do this for cheaper than a HARM. A HARM is a homing anti-radiation missile btw. It’s literally it’s job to home in on radar emitters, so any further questions about “could a harm target a hammer if…” are “yes, absolutely!”
that photo is from early 2022. david axe lives in a timezone not of this world. jesus christ
Just because they used an old photo doesn't mean the news is out of date.
silok-01 and -02 were common until mid-2023. they're currently too ineffective to justify fielding at previous scale
What do you mean? I can justify it easily.
>Mobiks seething about drones
>King monke declares "is fine, deploying "new" drone jammers, drones no longer problem xaxaxa"
>Mobiks have their morale restored from 1 to 2, (out of 100), enough they're more willing to come out of their rat holes to die again
The fact they don't actually do shit doesn't matter to king monke.
Jammers should be mounted drones, niggut.
Drone firing mini HARM missiles when?
woah
Home on jam arty submunitions when?
>Use Drones to do everything
>Use Drones to hunt down Siloks
Modern combat everyone
The drone goes in the square hole.
>Hunt Russian AA with aircraft and cruise missiles
>Hunt down Russian anti-drone weaponry with drones.
I remember months ago someone said Ukes were honorary Anglos. This display of weaponised irony proves it.
it will never not be funny to me how when "soldiers" pretend to look tough they always without fail take this moronic pose like theyre about to take a shit.
It's just the stance everyone takes when they've been standing in front heavy gear all day.
Who the heck takes a dump while standing like that?
>DAVID FRICKING AXE
Discarded
Sorry anon but there have been documented evidence of Russian EW failing to jam Ukranian drones