The owner is a homosexual that picks fight with people, who dare complain about his company's products, on social media and treats his customer's company like trash.
Crazy that you're wrong two times in a single sentence
Can you guys stop talking about Oklahoma/Texas(s) and instead tell me whether or not to buy the XCR? I don't want an AR10 but I do want to get into big boy calibers, so Desert Tech, a SCAR, or the XCR are about it.
Get one, you'll love it. You'll love the SCAR, too. I prefer the XCR controls, the slimmer handguard (without having to invest a couple hundred in a rail replacement), and the available caliber conversions. $1000 cheaper is just the icing on the cake.
Not him but please go ahead and post guns to show you’re not a nogunz homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro you're totally right. I own zero firearms
2 years ago
Anonymous
By all means, post them if ya got ‘em. Otherwise you’re just a homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just told you I didn't buddy
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just told you I didn't buddy
Imagine being this emotionally invested in a firearm that you will never afford
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're cheaper than a scar, I thought they were a budget option? Like the PSA of the AR18 derivative world
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm talking about anon's scar simping. Also despite its outward similarities to other not-scars, the xcr isn't an ar18 derivative, but more like a fnc derivative.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But the scar is better, he's right to simp
2 years ago
Anonymous
Simping for a gun that you don't own is gay as frick
2 years ago
Anonymous
I actually know who that is posting and he does in fact own two of the three scars
2 years ago
Anonymous
I actually know who is posting this and he loves slurping on pajeet wieners
2 years ago
Anonymous
Poor hands typed this
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post guns
2 years ago
Anonymous
I already told you! I have none! Hehe
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’m starting to think it’s that obese troony who occasionally graces the board with his corpulence
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well you're wrong. I'm not obese.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know the guy posting this and he's not obese
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know the guy posting this and he's not obese
If it’s the troony I’m thinking of, it certainly is, I’ve seen the pics kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
You think about trannies a lot I'm sure
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s a difficult picture to forget. Have you lost any weight yet tubs? Gyno bothering ya?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am not that "person". I'm sure you look at "her" pictures often
I haven't had an issue, the 8-position gas system has let me really tune down the gas (in fairness, I'm running on setting 1, so I might be able to get it lower if there were lower settings.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought flow-through suppressors like OSS' are more of a benefit on DI systems where any excess gas comes out the ejection port near your face instead of a gas block up front like on a piston gun.
They're a benefit on DI guns where excess gas gets vented straight into your eyes, and also guns like AKs and AUGs that are overgassed to begin with and kick the shit out of themselves even harder when you add a normal can to the equation. Also, most short-stroke systems vent excess gas out of the gas block once the piston gets moving, so the less backpressure the can generates, the less hot, highly pressurized gas is getting blown out the gas block exhaust port and the more is going out the front though the can.
I asked because I've heard that sometimes the RC2 contributes to piston pop on some guns. I own rifles because I think they're neat toys, not because I'm worried about combat. So for me, piston pop is more offputting than the db difference between an RC2 and OSS.
They're a benefit on DI guns where excess gas gets vented straight into your eyes, and also guns like AKs and AUGs that are overgassed to begin with and kick the shit out of themselves even harder when you add a normal can to the equation. Also, most short-stroke systems vent excess gas out of the gas block once the piston gets moving, so the less backpressure the can generates, the less hot, highly pressurized gas is getting blown out the gas block exhaust port and the more is going out the front though the can.
I honestly probably wouldn't be able to identify what piston pop sounds like without some more familiarity. The only other rifle suppressor I have in my possession is the one on my Mk12 clone and that thing is stupid quiet
not yet, north texas doesn't have a lot of public land
2 years ago
Anonymous
None of Tejas has any public land. You should know that if you've been here longer than 5 seconds
t. San Antonio
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’ll see you at elm fork or gibsons. 🙂
2 years ago
Anonymous
you won't, I've considered moving to Oklahoma
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can shoot in the Ouachita NF I think. Living wise though the Tulsa and OKC metros are just as much range deserts as Texas. Instead of moving Id recommend getting an OK hunting permit to use the normally unsupervised state game ranges in the South part of the state. There's 2 around Lake Texoma. Oh and we have the same LoCust invasion going on here as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'd be moving to OKC anyway for FAA ATC training
2 years ago
Anonymous
Careful if you’re going to Spartan. I personally know the former CFO. He was hired to turn the company around (something he’s usually excellent at) and after a year he left. The company culture was too deep and bad. They were doing a DAILY cash flow forecasts. That’s how tight shit was for them. I work corporate finance and thank god I’ve never had to ask my analysts to forecast cash daily.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anymore info? I was talking with them. Did not like what I saw/heard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Frick you atc gay, you’re the whole reason these fricking Idiots learning tower shit in a 172 get in front of me flying stupid slow and I have to delay my approach for an inconvenient amount of time cause they are right in my way. Why don’t you be more productive and tell the fricks to hold somewhere else and let the turbine go by you stupid fricks. Also frick the FAA
Does the complete rifle have a different placement for the bolt hold open? I put an upper on an existing AR lower and manually locking the bolt back is a clusterfrick nightmare
Can you guys stop talking about Oklahoma/Texas(s) and instead tell me whether or not to buy the XCR? I don't want an AR10 but I do want to get into big boy calibers, so Desert Tech, a SCAR, or the XCR are about it.
XCR is superb. Customer service and gun/parts availability used to be crap but is half decent now. Basically since 2016 they’ve been good to go. The design has been refined and refined and is now a really slick gun that’s more feature rich than the SCAR for less money. They’re also high quality. Caliber conversion is also a legitimate available feature and not vaporware.
I corresponded with him by email regarding some stuff I ordered and a problem I had, he was actually bro tier contra what I’d heard online from years ago
from what I read, it was due to woes concerning the first wave of the XCR's. Such a small shop and mounting complaints led to him getting some angry correspondence and he responded in kind which really sent those paying customers over the edge.
Apparently things got better as time went on, but shit like that sticks around for a long while.
Yeah it definitely does. I read the thread on xcrforums where he went on about penalizing customers who wanted warranty work done if they were rude about it. Like I said though, I think he’s better about it now. My experience was great.
Will also consider this as well. This is a future purchase. I'd like to stretch out my 5.56 guns first before making the jump. Thanks guys for helping me with this as I am cheap and can't stomach giving money to a people who's symbol of nationalism is a waffle.
This gun was way cooler when unimags were still a thing. It's still pretty cool but I'd really want some Ross mags to take advantage of the caliber swap capability.
Anyway, anyone considering one of these things, I really like it with the standard length gas/rail and a 12" barrel. Won't work with subs (you need blackout length gas for that), but 12" is great for a brush gun and is just long enough the report isn't absolutely horrendous without a can.
You can get unimags still iirc.
I just ordered a bunch of the tubbs flat magazine springs to see if they resolve the double feed issue unimags have with 6.5g. I'm excited to see if the upgrade gets these things closer to pmag levels of dumb reliability with multiple calibers
If you are fleo post your proton mail so I can email you to network, I want to go 1811.
I dunno what his deal is, he calls everyone who calls him a pedo a fed
I love the look of their older quad rails, shame they're so hard to get. At least Centurion has one that looks similar enough. What in the sweet frick is that >stock assembly though
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's some cheap buffer tube I found that fits my extra brace
So just to be clear, you have no opinion of your own? That's fine, I just want to be crystal clear that you're getting your info from a tripgay on a morons anonymous forum.
2 years ago
IL4DD
What more is there to say? Xcr a shit. Get over your bad purchase and sell it on armslist already.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Never bought one, but unlike you I do my best to not regurgitate information I can't verify myself. Here, let me give you an example: a tripgay told me the XCR was fantastic, and I read that before seeing your screenshot and I like my tripgay more than A2, so obviously you're wrong and the XCR is great. What's my proof? Well a tripgay said so, so it must be true.
2 years ago
IL4DD
OK. Everything in that screenshot is independently verifiable. Right now you can go to their website and see the no chf along with the upcharge from keymod to mlok. Doing all that would be just too hard for you though, right?
Black person my job is making firearms. Lick my balls moron.
Doubt it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What manufacturer do you work for that employs the mentally disabled? Need to make sure to avoid it.
U mad
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why don't you list out the points and explain their relevance. Keep in mind A2 is a huge SCAR fan boy so he's a tad biased when it comes to ergos or any other deviation from his favorite platform. Also weight? It's a 308, unless it's God awful heavier than everything else out there, weight typically isn't a major concern for most. Where is the small company aspect relevant? Ch handle placement? Heard plenty of complaints from actual SCAR users about that as well and AK owners have been dealing with less than optimal placement for a while. Aftermarket? For what? What are you changing out that is unique to the XCR? You won't catch me defending selling dickmod, but you'll have to do better than the above or at least elaborate on the list to be convincing.
2 years ago
IL4DD
>Why don't you list out the points and explain their relevance.
No I don't think that I will. You can go ahead and spoonfeed yourself. >weight typically isn't a major concern for most
You're moronic. I'm done.
https://i.imgur.com/PrQNIlQ.png
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I'm glad you put your trip on. I'm going to just leave this here.
You should post the follow up where I address and refute that ignorance. Funny how you never do. >A2 has never fired an XCR >il4pedo has to shit up every thread about the XCR because of sour grapes and the inability to go outside due to his pedo ankle monitor
This is the last time I'm responding to that screenshot. I made that comment before I had fully done my research on the xcr and the SCAR. SCAR > xcr.
I see that you are still mad that I outed you as part of federal law enforcement, haha.
Most of the shit on that list is subjective, moronic, or irrelevant, and in no way supports the assertion that the XCR is a “shit rifle,” only that a fanboy prefers it to another rifle. Real use case will demonstrate marginal difference
>Real use case will demonstrate marginal difference
Yeah like what real use case has the xcr had? Oh right the xcr has never (and will never) been adopted by any professional organization. So the xcr has never really been field tested. Which just goes to prove that the xcr is a shit rifle only suitable as a range toy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>before I had fully done my research
It’s a fricking rifle not an additive manufacturing research proposal. How dumb are you? >very dumb, and coping hard
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are on a hobby forum getting ass-blasted that someone in the hobby has learned about the hobby.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You clearly didn't read everything the tripgay was saying. The homosexual was spreading complete and total misinformation because he couldn't help but suck FN's throbbing wiener and when he got called out for it, he just doubled down and said he doubted others and that he was right like a dumb b***h. He didn't 'learn about the hobby'. He knew the XCR was a good gun in the first place, got a SCAR, and then decided to shit all over the XCR and spread literal lies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>bunch of words
I ain't readin' that shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol no. The tripBlack person is backpedaling on what he said months ago about the XCR, which he preferred and regretted not buying, with a transparently false rationalization. Total cope for being btfo repeatedly over the length of the thread
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are on a hobby forum getting ass-blasted that someone in the hobby has learned about the hobby.
Ironically enough, going by his own words the SCAR is the rifle he didn’t research enough before buying, why else would he wish he had purchased a couple XCR’s
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope
Post my response to your moronic screenshot, pedo >outed as fed
You don't need to be a fed to spot a pedo. At this point you gaslight the XCR so much it's like a mental illness. You can own a SCAR and an XCR, and enjoy both. Stop fricking children and go outside.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you are fleo post your proton mail so I can email you to network, I want to go 1811.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Former 1811bro here
2 years ago
Anonymous
Got a email where you wouldn’t mind answering some questions I have? I’m fresh outta school with a good GPA and I’m looking to figure how to best go about getting an 1811
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No I don't think that I will. You can go ahead and spoonfeed yourself.
Not asking for the spoon, moron. Refute any of the points I refuted or expound on the list. Otherwise you obviously didn't do any "research" and you don't know what you're talking about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tuneable gas system gapes the SCAR recoil impulse
No it doesn't. Your recoil is a harsh jerk; it's shit. That's why everyone abandoned long stroke last century. >It's been around as long as the SCAR has, any real issues have been fixed and the company isn't going anywhere so your warranties (ones that aren't voided by using a suppressor) are safe.
Lotta text here spouting off random bullshit, you still did not even mention the no adoption the xcr has. That's why the xcr will always be a range toy. >This is a problem, why?
Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws. >Go to their site right now and show me the price increasing on their gun builder when you go from Keymod to MLOK
Oh wow looks like they stopped doing that predatory practice against customers. Good job, only took them a fricking decade to do what every other company has been doing forever.
Damn, someone beat me to the punch calling your pedo CJD ass out.
XCR is objectively softer shooting than a scar, mostly because it's a pound heavier.
Contracts are a bad meme for judging firearm validity, see NGSW and M17/M18.
240in/lb not 240ft/lb you brainrotted moron. You can get a usable torque wrench on amazog.
Alex Robinson is a fricking Black person and I'm selling this rifle after I get my REPR SBR in, but you are by far the biggest homosexual moron on this board and if I ever see you, I'm going to kill you for the sake of the children.
2 years ago
IL4DD
I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
>XCR is objectively softer shooting than a scar
Doubt it. >Contracts are a bad meme for judging firearm validity
You offered two bad ones, there are many other good ones around the world. Xcr has never had a contract for anything ever. Any idea why? >I'm selling this rifle
Haha finally something smart out of you. If the xcr is so good why are you selling it? >I'm going to kill you
You can try. You know I'm armed.
https://i.imgur.com/QbuzBuU.png
>never shot the gun but has an opinion on its recoil >honestly thinks a manufacturer shipped a rifle that needs 240 FTLBS of torque on kitchen hardware sized screws >muh adoption meme >still has his trip on
Lol. LMAO even.
I don't need to shoot a specific gun to know that it sucks.
>Recoil
I don't know what to say to you if you're not going to believe me when I say my XCR kicks less than my SCAR when properly tuned. If you wanna post your guns and show me you have both I'll consider your opinion. >Adoption
Ignoring the based leafs that use XCRs to hunt... it not being used by a bunch of high school dropouts doesn't really bother me as a recreational civilian shooter. The SCAR has been used for almost 20 years and all FN has done is...
- Fixed their shitty stock latch
- Fixed the oversized gap in the of the monolithic receiver that was letting spent casings get stuck up inside the bolt carrier
- Fixed bolt hold open incompatibility with G2 PMAGs (pathetic that this was ever a problem)
- Given it a non reciprocating charging handle which is now angled downwards slightly because it's still in a shit location
- Given the gas regulator a single suppressed setting
None of which has needed to be corrected since day 1 with the XCR. All that military adoption just makes it look like the SCAR is playing catch-up to me >Torque wrench
First, it's one screw. Second, I don't know what your experience is like but if I search torque wrench on Amazon both their recommended choice and the first result after that can hit 20ft-lbs. Third, RA technically says that if you undo the bolt a full three turns, it's approximately sufficient enough to tighten it back a full three turns to torque the barrel properly on the fly.
>my XCR kicks less than my SCAR when properly tuned
I highly doubt that. I think that you are just saying that because you don't want to admit that you are wrong. >post your guns
OK, here you go. >it's approximately sufficient enough to tighten it back a full three turns to torque the barrel properly on the fly.
You're an idiot. I suggest that you follow all torque values in the future. I want to see your groups after that "torquing" lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> I don't need to shoot a gun to know it sucks
You are actually moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doubling down on the tardation? >rifle fasteners aren't allowed to have torque values >recoil is worse even though I've never shot one
I hope you get arrested for child porn so the board doesn't have to see another one of your 2 brain cell posts
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
bro the $20 Harbor Freight torque wrench that Bubba used for his AR build goes from 20–150 ft lbs
take the L and shut the frick up
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
Dawg your “typo” completely invalidates your specific point, and the fact that you believed (and apparently still do) it could be “240ft/lbs” of torque means you’re fricking moronic and shouldn’t be anywhere near a gun to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, you’re the guy with webbed toes…
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
No, you're just moronic. If it wasn't a typo, then you think 240in-lbs is a rare setting on torque wrenches. moron. >I don't need to shoot a specific gun to know that it sucks.
See the first point. >I think that you are just saying that because you don't want to admit that you are wrong.
Today was the first time I've said it on here, and I've owned both for a lot longer than today. The mental gymnastics it took for you to come up with that is honestly impressive. Cope harder.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's simple physics you braindamaged pedophile. Heavier gun+lighter bcg=softer recoil.
You used to be a boot, surely you aren't suggesting that military procurement isn't anything but fricking moronic
I'm selling it because I hate alex robinson and don't want to give him any more business by buying a 12" barrel to SBR it with. Gun is well into 4 digit round count with no malfunctions that weren't intentionally induced/related to dogshit tula
If I ever see you, I will shoot you in the fricking head. You are a pedophile and deserve death. Pray that your brainrot takes you first. This is a sincere threat.
>13 to 17
13 is like my maximum for a combat rifle lmao
yeah, if I have my PC/ruck on it's fully collapsed
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Do you loctite the barrel bolt?
You can if you don't intend on swapping barrels, which is honestly a meme anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Y’alroight, I’ll prolly loctite it. I’m thinking I might pick up a 6.5G conversion kit along with a new comp length upper receiver anyway, if I switch calibers I don’t wanna take off and rezero an optic. Thanks
2 years ago
IL4DD
>buying a 12" barrel to SBR it with
Why would you go lower than 13" on a 308. moronic. >I ever see you, I will shoot you in the fricking head
I doubt it. I've posted my home address multiple times here on PrepHole and discord, with nothing happening. This just tells me that you are too weak willed and feminine to do anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're moronic and a pedophile
Post it again, I just remember that you live in some shithole shoebox house in north texas
Also no matter how much you simp for a2, he still thinks you're a homosexual and will never be your friend
2 years ago
IL4DD
74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431. Come and fight. Inb4 1000 reasons why you won't, to or far, I don't have gas money, etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
You aren't worth anyone's time and it's hilarious that you think you ever would be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know you live in Texas moron. You moved there because you thought it was a based state (it isn't)
2 years ago
IL4DD
I was going to move there but I ultimately didn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431
you're probably going to get raped tonight 🙁
lube your buns.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431
Are you allowed to live that close to a children's museum?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, someone should alert the authorities
I was going to move there but I ultimately didn't.
Ok moron. I remember you posting an even shittier looking house with a texas address, claiming to live there.
2 years ago
IL4DD
Yep, keep the excuses coming they are like drinking a fine wine
2 years ago
Anonymous
>talks shit >lies about address while asking me to turn up
Buddy you're a joke, your brain is degenerating as we speak. You're going to be a vegetable before you're 40. I'll visit you in the hospital and cum in your feeding tube
2 years ago
IL4DD
Yep nothing but excuses from you; you are all talk. Like I said, you are too weak willed and feminine to do anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Buddy I'm not driving up to NH to knock on old Mrs. Parenteau's door because you're too much of a b***hmade homosexual to post your actual address after talking so much shit. I won't tell you to have a nice day because it'll be a lot funnier watching your post quality degrade as your brain turns into swiss cheese. Pedo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I love seeing people get so bootyblasted at strangers on the internet
2 years ago
IL4DD
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pedo
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’ve been btfo so hard this thread that you posted your address in a 2008 style “fight me irl pussy” gambit
2 years ago
Anonymous
>talks shit >lies about address while asking me to turn up
Buddy you're a joke, your brain is degenerating as we speak. You're going to be a vegetable before you're 40. I'll visit you in the hospital and cum in your feeding tube
No, someone should alert the authorities
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Ok moron. I remember you posting an even shittier looking house with a texas address, claiming to live there.
>74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431
Are you allowed to live that close to a children's museum?
I sincerely think he may be suffering from a TBI. These kinds of reactions from them make it seem like their reality is just offset from the objective what-is gives me the impression that he's suffering from a TBI. A close friend of mine had a TBI from his service (mild and diagnosed for the longest time from when a mortar landed like 10 ft away from him in afghanistan where he was untouched but the concussive blast that close crossed some wires). There were so many times where it took multiple people having to tell him "no man, that's not what's going on" or "dude, that's not how it is, we're not lying to you, truly". For him to go "frick am I messed up?". He's fine now after some light but consistent therapy, but man this ILADD guy seems like he has a TBI.
Just how it seems to me anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
*undiagnosed
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Being this much of a pussy to post your real info
lol
Keep it that way lil b***h, you know what would happen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most of the shit on that list is subjective, moronic, or irrelevant, and in no way supports the assertion that the XCR is a “shit rifle,” only that a fanboy prefers it to another rifle. Real use case will demonstrate marginal difference
No. The information contained in that screenshot completely exposes the xcr as the piece of shit that it is. Nothing more needs to be said or posted.
What more is there to say? Xcr a shit. Get over your bad purchase and sell it on armslist already.
I'm glad you put your trip on. I'm going to just leave this here.
You should post the follow up where I address and refute that ignorance. Funny how you never do. >A2 has never fired an XCR >il4pedo has to shit up every thread about the XCR because of sour grapes and the inability to go outside due to his pedo ankle monitor
>Heavier
True, 7.9lbs of a 16" SCAR 17S compared to a similarly configured 8.2lbs XCR-M >No aftermarket
I've ordered multiple extra barrels, uppers, and stock adapters from RA. Besides a better trigger than what is actually a great factory two stage, what's the problem? >No chf
Ok >Long stroke inferior recoil
Tuneable gas system gapes the SCAR recoil impulse, have fun buying a $150 aftermarket gas regulator for your rilfe that is already $1000 more just to get a similar result. >Only market supporting company is dead
N/A >Not as tested
It's been around as long as the SCAR has, any real issues have been fixed and the company isn't going anywhere so your warranties (ones that aren't voided by using a suppressor) are safe. >Inferior CH
Wrong in every possible way, SCAR knuckle is dogshit and one of the worst parts of the design which is coped by lengthened aftermarket charging handles that stick out further and snag more easily. If you actually think the CH is worse please tell me what riding on the short bus is like. >No jet support
Meaningless with an adjustable gas system, just ask Mototech engineering about their SCAR gas regulators and why they don't care about gas jets. >240 inch pounds
This is a problem, why? >Upcharging for MLOK
Go to their site right now and show me the price increasing on their gun builder when you go from Keymod to MLOK
They used to charge $100 to go MLOK IIRC. Don't think it's a thing anymore >you should screenshot this because he's going to post the same thing in a month when there's another XCR thread
>Tuneable gas system gapes the SCAR recoil impulse
No it doesn't. Your recoil is a harsh jerk; it's shit. That's why everyone abandoned long stroke last century. >It's been around as long as the SCAR has, any real issues have been fixed and the company isn't going anywhere so your warranties (ones that aren't voided by using a suppressor) are safe.
Lotta text here spouting off random bullshit, you still did not even mention the no adoption the xcr has. That's why the xcr will always be a range toy. >This is a problem, why?
Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws. >Go to their site right now and show me the price increasing on their gun builder when you go from Keymod to MLOK
Oh wow looks like they stopped doing that predatory practice against customers. Good job, only took them a fricking decade to do what every other company has been doing forever.
>never shot the gun but has an opinion on its recoil >honestly thinks a manufacturer shipped a rifle that needs 240 FTLBS of torque on kitchen hardware sized screws >muh adoption meme >still has his trip on
Lol. LMAO even.
>Recoil
I don't know what to say to you if you're not going to believe me when I say my XCR kicks less than my SCAR when properly tuned. If you wanna post your guns and show me you have both I'll consider your opinion. >Adoption
Ignoring the based leafs that use XCRs to hunt... it not being used by a bunch of high school dropouts doesn't really bother me as a recreational civilian shooter. The SCAR has been used for almost 20 years and all FN has done is...
- Fixed their shitty stock latch
- Fixed the oversized gap in the of the monolithic receiver that was letting spent casings get stuck up inside the bolt carrier
- Fixed bolt hold open incompatibility with G2 PMAGs (pathetic that this was ever a problem)
- Given it a non reciprocating charging handle which is now angled downwards slightly because it's still in a shit location
- Given the gas regulator a single suppressed setting
None of which has needed to be corrected since day 1 with the XCR. All that military adoption just makes it look like the SCAR is playing catch-up to me >Torque wrench
First, it's one screw. Second, I don't know what your experience is like but if I search torque wrench on Amazon both their recommended choice and the first result after that can hit 20ft-lbs. Third, RA technically says that if you undo the bolt a full three turns, it's approximately sufficient enough to tighten it back a full three turns to torque the barrel properly on the fly.
>recoil is harsh but I've never actually shot one
Ok moron >240ftlbs
You really think you can go to 240ft/lbs with a hand held 1/4" allen wrench? moronic again >blah blah money
Going to circle back to poorgay mentality. You don't shoot your gun. You don't go outside. You seethe on the internet.
> No it doesn't. Your recoil is a harsh jerk; it's shit. That's why everyone abandoned long stroke last century.
Leaving aside the fact that you can get the XCR in short stroke, I own both short stroke guns and an XCR and find the difference in recoil impulse between them negligible. In fact, I wouldn’t have thought to compare them if not for brand prostitute homosexuals like yourself > Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws.
Incredibly moronic as other posters have already pointed out; entirely discrediting > Oh wow looks like they stopped doing that predatory practice against customers
Selling different models at different prices isn’t predatory, moron. Wow some companies charge more for picatinny rails vs MLok! Call the FTC!
>Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws.
You clearly aren't qualified to operate a torque wrench anyway.
Long stroke systems are simply superior to gas tappet.
The SCAR has a huge bolt carrier as well, so it effectively has a long stroke level recoil impulse regardless.
If its soft, thats because there's no inherent connection between long stroke and heavy recoil regardless of what morons with shit tier AK's tell you.
>there's no inherent connection between long stroke and heavy recoil
you would think this would be obvious since the equation for recoil has no terms for the type of gas system, but you can't really expect tripgays who don't know the difference between in-lbs and ft-lbs to comprehend simple 2nd grade arithmetic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_recoil#Calculating_free_recoil_using_non-SI_units
also looking at that rifle recoil table I've gotta get off my ass and get an ak-74.
Its largely because a heavy mass getting kicked back to the shooter hard imparts a very sharp smack on them, effectively more felt recoil.
This heavy mass in our case is the bolt carrier being hit by the gas being tapped off.
Low quality AKs are often stupidly overgassed and equipped with weak recoil springs, so they tend to slam into the rear of the receiver, giving a stronger feeling of recoil.
Light weight bolt carriers can never transmit as much force to the shooter so when poorly gassed they end up feeling like there's less recoil when they slam into the receiver.
You end up with gunlore saying that long stroke piston mechanisms or other gun mechanisms with heavy bolt carriers have inherently more recoil than those with lighter bolts because they have more reciprocating mass.
When in reality its ultimately a factor of the gassing of the system. People are bad at tuning their firearms and manufacturers chasing 'reliability' (especially when selling poorly made guns) open up gas ports far more than they should.
When you get a gun made properly like a SCAR or an XCR, people learn that the heavy reciprocating mass is not some negative that ruins the recoil impulse of the gun.
Confirmed with 7.62/6.5g bolt. I didn't think it was that light.
This. If you can adjust the gas to where the bolt carrier just very barely doesn’t touch the rear of the receiver, it feels sooooo much softer shooting without sacrificing reliability for that load .
I tune for lrbho to work with the weakest load for that setup (usually tula). With the newer omni brass deflector it ends up around 10ft ejection. Ends up 15ft with hot stuff like 77gr or mk318. For winter it's usually +1 above that setting, and +2 if -35 or colder.
I was going to say "It's probably good for getting maximum leverage on the XCR-L Mini, since your support hand can't go very far out on that stubby handguard anyway" but they don't actually offer that configuration in their custom rifle builder.
Works good with the M. Too long for L I think
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/CLfKh1c.jpg
M standard length type 2 (short stroke) gas, 7.62 bolt
Do you loctite the barrel bolt?
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/MpwFXTP.jpg
Y’alroight, I’ll prolly loctite it. I’m thinking I might pick up a 6.5G conversion kit along with a new comp length upper receiver anyway, if I switch calibers I don’t wanna take off and rezero an optic. Thanks
Absolutely not. It's a helicoil so thread locker will eventually frick it up
2 years ago
Anonymous
You taken the XCR out in the cold? How's it perform? Do you do any "prep" to it?
I'm (906) here, so it easily gets -35 and lower where I'm at, and if I degrease my AR in the ultrasonic, then put Winter Balm where it needs to go, I've never had a problem, even after dropping it into a creek... "accidentally" once, plus some indoor/outdoor cycles, but I was thinking of using that AR for other things and thought of getting an XCR recently in 6.8, so maybe it could pull double duty.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No grease. Thin coat of G96 works until -35. Dry lubes below that. Typically +1 or +2 gas over your summer setting. Works pretty good, selector and mag release will be the first things that will give you grief because of the tight mating surfaces. Condensation gets everywhere and if your taking it in and out of warm environments you'll want to manipulate the selector a few times to keep it from hardening up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice. I'll definitely consider that if/when I place the order. >Dry Lubes
I REALLY like Hornady OneShot, but since it's gotten below -35 before, and I think that's all it's "rated" to, so I switched to CherryBalmz since SOTAR "recommended" it or whatever. I usually just work some into the selector and mag release and it seems to keep the ice out and from forming in general (can't tell if the Cerakote vs Anodized is helping much at all in either direction here). The GarandThumb video really assblasted me, so I'm extra autistic about getting my AR's to work right in freezing conditions, even if abused. >Protip: If you're having trouble with the mag release, and you're using USGI mags, try grabbing the mag and "wiggling" it in the magwell while holding the button. >Protip #2: Buy larger safety selectors, the extra leverage breaks ice like you wouldn't believe. >Protip #3: You can be rough with AR's, they're not fragile. I've bicycle kicked the T-Handle on my ADM (Not even a fan of the Radian Raptors tbh, but they still seem fine so far) when it got stuck, same as I'd do to my Meridian AK, and it's been fine so far.
TL;DR: Frick GT, Frick AKgays, Yooper Powah, Cold ain't shit.
Also: Pasties aren't that great, don't believe the billboards.
2 years ago
Anonymous
When I did the gt test on the xcr and poured a quart of water on it at -30, I had to beat the selector with a screwdriver to get it to move, but otherwise I've never had a problem. Usually after 20-30m outside I'll move it a couple times and it's fine after that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice. I'll definitely consider that if/when I place the order. >Dry Lubes
I REALLY like Hornady OneShot, but since it's gotten below -35 before, and I think that's all it's "rated" to, so I switched to CherryBalmz since SOTAR "recommended" it or whatever. I usually just work some into the selector and mag release and it seems to keep the ice out and from forming in general (can't tell if the Cerakote vs Anodized is helping much at all in either direction here). The GarandThumb video really assblasted me, so I'm extra autistic about getting my AR's to work right in freezing conditions, even if abused. >Protip: If you're having trouble with the mag release, and you're using USGI mags, try grabbing the mag and "wiggling" it in the magwell while holding the button. >Protip #2: Buy larger safety selectors, the extra leverage breaks ice like you wouldn't believe. >Protip #3: You can be rough with AR's, they're not fragile. I've bicycle kicked the T-Handle on my ADM (Not even a fan of the Radian Raptors tbh, but they still seem fine so far) when it got stuck, same as I'd do to my Meridian AK, and it's been fine so far.
TL;DR: Frick GT, Frick AKgays, Yooper Powah, Cold ain't shit.
Also: Pasties aren't that great, don't believe the billboards.
See at temps like that I’d worry about the polymer lower on my Bren, and I’d worry about the poly lower on the SCAR as well. I swapped one Bren poly lower out with an aluminum lower so I don’t worry about that one as much. But the XCR seems like a really good cold weather rifle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOT TO BE SOLD OR TRANSFERRED
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol took me a second. Uhaulcops coming for me shortly I guess
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also I'll be testing the coom lube cold formula this winter. Pretty happy with the regular version, although it does seem to get pushed off metal easily. Ex if you lube the bcg or barrel, brush and grass rubbing on it seems to wipe it off. I just applied a second thin layer so we'll see.
If you include the piston weight, the ACR is probably equal to the scar
2 years ago
Anonymous
You might be right, but is that fair to count considering it has such a short path of travel and isn't apart of the real reciprocating mass?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It travels a lot farther than any other SSP I can think of except the XCR, but that mass isn't included in what the spring is dampening, so I guess not.
This. If you can adjust the gas to where the bolt carrier just very barely doesn’t touch the rear of the receiver, it feels sooooo much softer shooting without sacrificing reliability for that load .
There are 3 plastic pieces on it:
Brass deflector
Cheek rest
Charging handle forward assist
Someone made up some metal charging handle buttons, and you can technically use FAL charging handle with a slight modification, but you lose the FA. I've mortared one of mine on a truck tailgate and it didn't break.
Typically around 1-1.5 with most stuff. Mine really likes 168smk/tmk in that weight, and can do slightly under 1moa. I'm trying a new hunting bullet (norma 180gr copper), but I cannot get it tighter than 3moa. I have a feeling it's just shit ammo or has the wrong seating depth for the M barrel, so I'm going to test it in my tikka setup and see how it groups. Tikka in a chassis makes any ammo sing, will find out on next range trip.
Does RA make the competition-length L uppers in MLOK now, or are they still dickmod only? When I ordered mine, I don't remember MLOK being an option for the long ones.
You made me wonder if Bushmaster updated their site yet. No more "Soon to be perfected" banner, but just a change to a "Coming soon(tm)" dropdown.
Not a good feeling. Perpetual stock of overpriced GunBroker bids it is, then.
Bushmaster keeps promising to. We'll see I hope so.
You made me wonder if Bushmaster updated their site yet. No more "Soon to be perfected" banner, but just a change to a "Coming soon(tm)" dropdown.
Not a good feeling. Perpetual stock of overpriced GunBroker bids it is, then.
I really wish KRG did more than that limited run of the Fox42 rifle (.308 ACR aka the “Massoud”)
There's a single man company called Templar Precision that keeps making parts for it but I don't know if they make every single part so you can build one from scratch.
Athlon uses German glass in their top tier tubes, but I'm not sure who makes it. Tubes are Japanese. It's very clear until 25x, but gets a bit of distortion at max power. I mostly shoot it at 20x so I can watch the bullet trail to spot shots.
I think it's 700 and lower - China tube/glass
800-1300 - Japanese tube/glass
1300+ - jap tube/German glass
Elcan still some of the clearest glass I've seen. I'm pretty happy with the Athlon for the price, the glass punches above it's price point. They upgraded the turrets in the gen2, I'm sure they'll give me one of those if I have any trouble with it.
Longer length of pull. IIRC, the FAST 2 has an adjustable lengtj of pull from 11” to 14”, whereas the FAST 3 stock has an adjustable LOP from 13” to 17”. The FAST 2 has an angled two-position cheek riser, the FAST 3 has a straight three-position cheek riser.
Higher and flatter cheek weld and longer LOP on the FAST3, maybe better for precision shooting than the FAST2. Minor weight differences. That's about it.
Thanks.
Longer length of pull. IIRC, the FAST 2 has an adjustable lengtj of pull from 11” to 14”, whereas the FAST 3 stock has an adjustable LOP from 13” to 17”. The FAST 2 has an angled two-position cheek riser, the FAST 3 has a straight three-position cheek riser.
>an adjustable LOP from 13” to 17”. >17" LOP
christ
what the frick
I was going to say "It's probably good for getting maximum leverage on the XCR-L Mini, since your support hand can't go very far out on that stubby handguard anyway" but they don't actually offer that configuration in their custom rifle builder.
Longer length of pull. IIRC, the FAST 2 has an adjustable lengtj of pull from 11” to 14”, whereas the FAST 3 stock has an adjustable LOP from 13” to 17”. The FAST 2 has an angled two-position cheek riser, the FAST 3 has a straight three-position cheek riser.
My brother just bought an XCR with the Fast 2 and we both feel it’s a little short. He’s 6’3” though and I’m 6’5”. He kinda wants to throw a Zhukov stock on his
I recently bought a doublestar ace stock 1" rubber pad that fits perfectly onto FAST2 stock. Made the LOP a bit better, for $20 it could be worth trying?
I’ll suggest that to him. However, he really likes how the Zhukov looks on the XCR for some reason. Further, I think once you add the adapter for the Zhukov to the XCR the LOP is pretty long which means you wouldn’t have to extend the stock at all which is always a bonus (less play in the stock). Good idea regardless
Higher and flatter cheek weld and longer LOP on the FAST3, maybe better for precision shooting than the FAST2. Minor weight differences. That's about it.
Functionally basically the same, except for maybe the ACR which doesn’t really exist anymore. Probably marginal differences in extreme use. Differences in ergos (I prefer XCR style bolt controls personally). This judgement of course will be pilloried by brandgays and triphomosexuals who have significant portions of their ego wrapped up in the products they buy
Parts other than barrels are easy and quick. Barrels are made to order and take months. I had a problem and talked to Robinson via email, was courteous and quick to help. I think he’s mellowed out as he’s gotten older lmao
RA has always been very responsive with me when emailing their sales department and asking for new parts, be it stock adapters, barrel kits, or uppers. Granted, barrels and uppers you generally have to wait a few months for to be made, but they respond timely with an invoice.
>FN SCAR: #1 in reliability, aftermarket parts, weight >RA XCR: #1 in caliber options, controls >Bushmaster ACR: #1 in stock design, cool gimmicks, and getting "Is that a SCAR?" questions at the range >CZ Bren 2: can't say anything about it because I haven't had the chance to buy one yet. >B&T APC: #1 in nothing. Heavier than the SCAR but similar price with little to no aftermarket support, you can't change the barrel, and it comes with a shitty stock that everyone replaces so add $300 to the base price. The only thing anyone ever says good about it it "wow the action is so smooth, muh swiss engineering"
That's definitely what you meant by ranking them, right?
I haven't had any malfunctions with either that weren't induced by undertuning the gas regulator on either. The only reason I'm saying the SCAR is more reliable is that it's had military adoption, the BCG is heavier so the extra inertia presumably helps with extraction and feeding, and during those malfunctions, the XCR's chamber felt a bit tight to I had to sort of mortar it while with the SCAR I didn't have the same issue.
Also I don't want to get another (You) from that pedophile SCAR simp brainlet
Will people think I’m some kind of pedophile if I buy a CZ Bren over a SCAR 16? I really don’t want to end up on the sex offender registry just because I bought the “SCAR at home.”
I've seen more praise for the Bren than the Scar if anything (when both are compared)
7.62x39 Bren had some issue but I believe its been fixed for the most part. 5.56 model never had problems from what I know
SCAR17 was $2800~ when it first hit the market, all 5 rifles of it. The MSRP price didn't climb due to overtime inflation, it climbed in accordance to the fricking 3rd party sellers who were asking $3500~ prices back then.
If I save enough money, I'd get a SCAR17, but overall, frick FN.
It's a little excessive considering how many reasonable alternatives exist now, and the fact that it's an extruded aluminum upper held together with screws, on an injection-molded lower, backed by multiple juicy government contracts.
It's ridiculous that a gun like that should cost almost as much as a MR73.
It has to be unreasonably expensive to comply with German export laws.
Speaking of import/export laws, here's a picture of the "sporting purposes" stock that SCARs enter the country with—FNH USA then sends them back to Belgium after fitting the SCARs with their 922(r) parts, because apparently all that bullshit is cheaper and/or less legally complicated than just making them in the USA in the same factories that are already tooled up to make SCARs for the government.
I priced one out the other day and it was over $2500 for a .243 Win with an exposed gas block; calling it a "poor man's SCAR" is like calling the Panobridge a "poor man's GPNVG"—it's not incorrect, but both solutions are so expensive that actual poorgays will never touch them.
Interesting rifle, but the owner and customer service are absolute homosexuals.
Why's that?
The owner is a homosexual that picks fight with people, who dare complain about his company's products, on social media and treats his customer's company like trash.
Sexy. But it’s a loser rifle and the company is shit. Maybe if it was as easy to make full-auto as a SCAR. But it isn’t, so it ain’t worth the cash.
how make
Love mine, 7 position gas reg is great for 300aac
Shit guns owned by people who wish they had a scar
Crazy that you're wrong two times in a single sentence
Get one, you'll love it. You'll love the SCAR, too. I prefer the XCR controls, the slimmer handguard (without having to invest a couple hundred in a rail replacement), and the available caliber conversions. $1000 cheaper is just the icing on the cake.
>t. Owns a scar and is too stupid to use it
>t. owns zero firearms
>t. Owns firearms and is correct
Not him but please go ahead and post guns to show you’re not a nogunz homosexual
Bro you're totally right. I own zero firearms
By all means, post them if ya got ‘em. Otherwise you’re just a homosexual
I just told you I didn't buddy
Imagine being this emotionally invested in a firearm that you will never afford
They're cheaper than a scar, I thought they were a budget option? Like the PSA of the AR18 derivative world
I'm talking about anon's scar simping. Also despite its outward similarities to other not-scars, the xcr isn't an ar18 derivative, but more like a fnc derivative.
But the scar is better, he's right to simp
Simping for a gun that you don't own is gay as frick
I actually know who that is posting and he does in fact own two of the three scars
I actually know who is posting this and he loves slurping on pajeet wieners
Poor hands typed this
Post guns
I already told you! I have none! Hehe
I’m starting to think it’s that obese troony who occasionally graces the board with his corpulence
Well you're wrong. I'm not obese.
I know the guy posting this and he's not obese
If it’s the troony I’m thinking of, it certainly is, I’ve seen the pics kek
You think about trannies a lot I'm sure
It’s a difficult picture to forget. Have you lost any weight yet tubs? Gyno bothering ya?
I am not that "person". I'm sure you look at "her" pictures often
why did you put your optic/accessories on the inferior rifle?
I've owned the XCR a lot longer than I've owned the SCAR.
Because the XCR won't shake hard enough to break them, lmao.
Fuddlore lol
The scar has a sharper recoil impulse than the xcr
No quality optic will break on a SCAR
Reality proves otherwise brother. You don't have to take it hearsay on PrepHole you can easily find reports of it.
Nope
How do you feel about the RC2 on the XCR? I've heard the blowback is not the best especially compared to an OSS or Helios it being piston and all.
I haven't had an issue, the 8-position gas system has let me really tune down the gas (in fairness, I'm running on setting 1, so I might be able to get it lower if there were lower settings.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought flow-through suppressors like OSS' are more of a benefit on DI systems where any excess gas comes out the ejection port near your face instead of a gas block up front like on a piston gun.
They're a benefit on DI guns where excess gas gets vented straight into your eyes, and also guns like AKs and AUGs that are overgassed to begin with and kick the shit out of themselves even harder when you add a normal can to the equation. Also, most short-stroke systems vent excess gas out of the gas block once the piston gets moving, so the less backpressure the can generates, the less hot, highly pressurized gas is getting blown out the gas block exhaust port and the more is going out the front though the can.
I asked because I've heard that sometimes the RC2 contributes to piston pop on some guns. I own rifles because I think they're neat toys, not because I'm worried about combat. So for me, piston pop is more offputting than the db difference between an RC2 and OSS.
is totally right.
I honestly probably wouldn't be able to identify what piston pop sounds like without some more familiarity. The only other rifle suppressor I have in my possession is the one on my Mk12 clone and that thing is stupid quiet
Foxtrot Mike FM-15
How are those things, did you get one? I have it on my list of rifle options right now
>did you get one?
yes
>proceeds to put it on a standard buffer tube lower
The worst of both worlds
I put a midwest folder adapter on it recently
Put any rounds through it?
not yet, north texas doesn't have a lot of public land
None of Tejas has any public land. You should know that if you've been here longer than 5 seconds
t. San Antonio
I’ll see you at elm fork or gibsons. 🙂
you won't, I've considered moving to Oklahoma
You can shoot in the Ouachita NF I think. Living wise though the Tulsa and OKC metros are just as much range deserts as Texas. Instead of moving Id recommend getting an OK hunting permit to use the normally unsupervised state game ranges in the South part of the state. There's 2 around Lake Texoma. Oh and we have the same LoCust invasion going on here as well
I'd be moving to OKC anyway for FAA ATC training
Careful if you’re going to Spartan. I personally know the former CFO. He was hired to turn the company around (something he’s usually excellent at) and after a year he left. The company culture was too deep and bad. They were doing a DAILY cash flow forecasts. That’s how tight shit was for them. I work corporate finance and thank god I’ve never had to ask my analysts to forecast cash daily.
Anymore info? I was talking with them. Did not like what I saw/heard.
Frick you atc gay, you’re the whole reason these fricking Idiots learning tower shit in a 172 get in front of me flying stupid slow and I have to delay my approach for an inconvenient amount of time cause they are right in my way. Why don’t you be more productive and tell the fricks to hold somewhere else and let the turbine go by you stupid fricks. Also frick the FAA
first come first serve, you bawd
>the turbine FEARS the Skyhawk chad
I want a Skymaster like you wouldn't believe
sweet plane for sure
Make a bullpup lower already, mr foxtrot mike employee
I like them and kinda want to get one for a backpacking rifle someday
>DI
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Does the complete rifle have a different placement for the bolt hold open? I put an upper on an existing AR lower and manually locking the bolt back is a clusterfrick nightmare
Get the frick over yourself.
>side charging on handguard
>no slap
4ants
I really like them, as a candidate for both an SBR or 308. I’ve read a lot of happy owners on forums despite the bad rep.
Can you guys stop talking about Oklahoma/Texas(s) and instead tell me whether or not to buy the XCR? I don't want an AR10 but I do want to get into big boy calibers, so Desert Tech, a SCAR, or the XCR are about it.
>and instead tell me whether or not to buy the XCR?
It's your money dude, the XCR is a cool novelty, but imo, not worth $2300
XCR is superb. Customer service and gun/parts availability used to be crap but is half decent now. Basically since 2016 they’ve been good to go. The design has been refined and refined and is now a really slick gun that’s more feature rich than the SCAR for less money. They’re also high quality. Caliber conversion is also a legitimate available feature and not vaporware.
I have the L pictured above and I have zero complaints. Recommend
Stop shilling on /k/ and go to bed, Alex.
I corresponded with him by email regarding some stuff I ordered and a problem I had, he was actually bro tier contra what I’d heard online from years ago
from what I read, it was due to woes concerning the first wave of the XCR's. Such a small shop and mounting complaints led to him getting some angry correspondence and he responded in kind which really sent those paying customers over the edge.
Apparently things got better as time went on, but shit like that sticks around for a long while.
Yeah it definitely does. I read the thread on xcrforums where he went on about penalizing customers who wanted warranty work done if they were rude about it. Like I said though, I think he’s better about it now. My experience was great.
you might want to look at this. It's basically an AR15 but chambered in 308 and weighs only 7.3lbs.
pof-usa.com/firearm/revolution/
Will also consider this as well. This is a future purchase. I'd like to stretch out my 5.56 guns first before making the jump. Thanks guys for helping me with this as I am cheap and can't stomach giving money to a people who's symbol of nationalism is a waffle.
Just make sure you replace the POFs gay dust cover.
Lol okay. What's wrong with it? Genuinely asking
Based POF poster. We could really use a thread about POF.
Yes
Good rifle, good controls, lots of gas adjustment for different loads or cans. Doesn't afraid of anything. Take it hiking around bears on the regular.
This gun was way cooler when unimags were still a thing. It's still pretty cool but I'd really want some Ross mags to take advantage of the caliber swap capability.
unimags are still around tho
Yeah but I want fresh new production mags.
Anyway, anyone considering one of these things, I really like it with the standard length gas/rail and a 12" barrel. Won't work with subs (you need blackout length gas for that), but 12" is great for a brush gun and is just long enough the report isn't absolutely horrendous without a can.
You can get unimags still iirc.
I just ordered a bunch of the tubbs flat magazine springs to see if they resolve the double feed issue unimags have with 6.5g. I'm excited to see if the upgrade gets these things closer to pmag levels of dumb reliability with multiple calibers
I dunno what his deal is, he calls everyone who calls him a pedo a fed
Where are you getting unimags?
I bought close to a hundred over the last 2-3 years. Haven't tried buying any since before covid. Looks like the website is closed? Bummer
Good option for 6.5 Grendel.
<LWRC
you have the incel version
t. incel
how am i an incel when i had sexual intercourse with your mother?
t. seething incel
What's the incel version and not the incel version?
LWRC is known for their patented short stroke piston design, not DIs
the DI model is just LWRC's troony build. it is not a real LWRC.
Hey I got one of those. Soft shooter with pof cam and h3
neat rifle m8
I love the look of their older quad rails, shame they're so hard to get. At least Centurion has one that looks similar enough. What in the sweet frick is that >stock assembly though
It's some cheap buffer tube I found that fits my extra brace
>What's the incel version and not the incel version?
Looks like any other AR
BORING
that's just your shitty eyesight. however, you do look like any other innercity Black person
YWNBAS (you will never be a scar)
Thank God.
the coolest modern gun no one bought
and its entirely marty robinsons fault for that one.
Whose Marty, did he forget to ship the blank firing adapters in the box with the rifles?
it wuz da gubmint
>nobody told us that we needed to include blank adapter even if a standard M4 would fit!!!
>nobody told us that we needed to include targets or ammo!!!
>the XCR has the features that USSOCOM wanted but didn't get (on the rifle that was built to their exact specifications, reciprocating CH and all)
I fricking hate scargays
At least the XCR doesnt void warranty when shooting suppressed
It's a pretty "meh" gun from a company owned by a legitimately stupid person.
Just going to leave this here
>tripgay cites another tripgay
Anyone else have a real opinion on these things?
Nothing to say about the information in the picture? Typical.
Do you? Going to contribute anything other than screencaps from other tripgays?
No. The information contained in that screenshot completely exposes the xcr as the piece of shit that it is. Nothing more needs to be said or posted.
So just to be clear, you have no opinion of your own? That's fine, I just want to be crystal clear that you're getting your info from a tripgay on a morons anonymous forum.
What more is there to say? Xcr a shit. Get over your bad purchase and sell it on armslist already.
Never bought one, but unlike you I do my best to not regurgitate information I can't verify myself. Here, let me give you an example: a tripgay told me the XCR was fantastic, and I read that before seeing your screenshot and I like my tripgay more than A2, so obviously you're wrong and the XCR is great. What's my proof? Well a tripgay said so, so it must be true.
OK. Everything in that screenshot is independently verifiable. Right now you can go to their website and see the no chf along with the upcharge from keymod to mlok. Doing all that would be just too hard for you though, right?
Doubt it.
U mad
Why don't you list out the points and explain their relevance. Keep in mind A2 is a huge SCAR fan boy so he's a tad biased when it comes to ergos or any other deviation from his favorite platform. Also weight? It's a 308, unless it's God awful heavier than everything else out there, weight typically isn't a major concern for most. Where is the small company aspect relevant? Ch handle placement? Heard plenty of complaints from actual SCAR users about that as well and AK owners have been dealing with less than optimal placement for a while. Aftermarket? For what? What are you changing out that is unique to the XCR? You won't catch me defending selling dickmod, but you'll have to do better than the above or at least elaborate on the list to be convincing.
>Why don't you list out the points and explain their relevance.
No I don't think that I will. You can go ahead and spoonfeed yourself.
>weight typically isn't a major concern for most
You're moronic. I'm done.
This is the last time I'm responding to that screenshot. I made that comment before I had fully done my research on the xcr and the SCAR. SCAR > xcr.
I see that you are still mad that I outed you as part of federal law enforcement, haha.
>Real use case will demonstrate marginal difference
Yeah like what real use case has the xcr had? Oh right the xcr has never (and will never) been adopted by any professional organization. So the xcr has never really been field tested. Which just goes to prove that the xcr is a shit rifle only suitable as a range toy.
>before I had fully done my research
It’s a fricking rifle not an additive manufacturing research proposal. How dumb are you?
>very dumb, and coping hard
You are on a hobby forum getting ass-blasted that someone in the hobby has learned about the hobby.
You clearly didn't read everything the tripgay was saying. The homosexual was spreading complete and total misinformation because he couldn't help but suck FN's throbbing wiener and when he got called out for it, he just doubled down and said he doubted others and that he was right like a dumb b***h. He didn't 'learn about the hobby'. He knew the XCR was a good gun in the first place, got a SCAR, and then decided to shit all over the XCR and spread literal lies.
>bunch of words
I ain't readin' that shit.
Lol no. The tripBlack person is backpedaling on what he said months ago about the XCR, which he preferred and regretted not buying, with a transparently false rationalization. Total cope for being btfo repeatedly over the length of the thread
Ironically enough, going by his own words the SCAR is the rifle he didn’t research enough before buying, why else would he wish he had purchased a couple XCR’s
Cope
Post my response to your moronic screenshot, pedo
>outed as fed
You don't need to be a fed to spot a pedo. At this point you gaslight the XCR so much it's like a mental illness. You can own a SCAR and an XCR, and enjoy both. Stop fricking children and go outside.
If you are fleo post your proton mail so I can email you to network, I want to go 1811.
Former 1811bro here
Got a email where you wouldn’t mind answering some questions I have? I’m fresh outta school with a good GPA and I’m looking to figure how to best go about getting an 1811
>No I don't think that I will. You can go ahead and spoonfeed yourself.
Not asking for the spoon, moron. Refute any of the points I refuted or expound on the list. Otherwise you obviously didn't do any "research" and you don't know what you're talking about.
Damn, someone beat me to the punch calling your pedo CJD ass out.
XCR is objectively softer shooting than a scar, mostly because it's a pound heavier.
Contracts are a bad meme for judging firearm validity, see NGSW and M17/M18.
240in/lb not 240ft/lb you brainrotted moron. You can get a usable torque wrench on amazog.
Alex Robinson is a fricking Black person and I'm selling this rifle after I get my REPR SBR in, but you are by far the biggest homosexual moron on this board and if I ever see you, I'm going to kill you for the sake of the children.
I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
>XCR is objectively softer shooting than a scar
Doubt it.
>Contracts are a bad meme for judging firearm validity
You offered two bad ones, there are many other good ones around the world. Xcr has never had a contract for anything ever. Any idea why?
>I'm selling this rifle
Haha finally something smart out of you. If the xcr is so good why are you selling it?
>I'm going to kill you
You can try. You know I'm armed.
I don't need to shoot a specific gun to know that it sucks.
>my XCR kicks less than my SCAR when properly tuned
I highly doubt that. I think that you are just saying that because you don't want to admit that you are wrong.
>post your guns
OK, here you go.
>it's approximately sufficient enough to tighten it back a full three turns to torque the barrel properly on the fly.
You're an idiot. I suggest that you follow all torque values in the future. I want to see your groups after that "torquing" lol.
> I don't need to shoot a gun to know it sucks
You are actually moronic
Doubling down on the tardation?
>rifle fasteners aren't allowed to have torque values
>recoil is worse even though I've never shot one
I hope you get arrested for child porn so the board doesn't have to see another one of your 2 brain cell posts
>I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
bro the $20 Harbor Freight torque wrench that Bubba used for his AR build goes from 20–150 ft lbs
take the L and shut the frick up
>I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
Dawg your “typo” completely invalidates your specific point, and the fact that you believed (and apparently still do) it could be “240ft/lbs” of torque means you’re fricking moronic and shouldn’t be anywhere near a gun to begin with.
Oh, you’re the guy with webbed toes…
>I made a typo with the torque, big deal. What I say is still correct.
No, you're just moronic. If it wasn't a typo, then you think 240in-lbs is a rare setting on torque wrenches. moron.
>I don't need to shoot a specific gun to know that it sucks.
See the first point.
>I think that you are just saying that because you don't want to admit that you are wrong.
Today was the first time I've said it on here, and I've owned both for a lot longer than today. The mental gymnastics it took for you to come up with that is honestly impressive. Cope harder.
It's simple physics you braindamaged pedophile. Heavier gun+lighter bcg=softer recoil.
You used to be a boot, surely you aren't suggesting that military procurement isn't anything but fricking moronic
I'm selling it because I hate alex robinson and don't want to give him any more business by buying a 12" barrel to SBR it with. Gun is well into 4 digit round count with no malfunctions that weren't intentionally induced/related to dogshit tula
If I ever see you, I will shoot you in the fricking head. You are a pedophile and deserve death. Pray that your brainrot takes you first. This is a sincere threat.
yeah, if I have my PC/ruck on it's fully collapsed
You can if you don't intend on swapping barrels, which is honestly a meme anyway.
Y’alroight, I’ll prolly loctite it. I’m thinking I might pick up a 6.5G conversion kit along with a new comp length upper receiver anyway, if I switch calibers I don’t wanna take off and rezero an optic. Thanks
>buying a 12" barrel to SBR it with
Why would you go lower than 13" on a 308. moronic.
>I ever see you, I will shoot you in the fricking head
I doubt it. I've posted my home address multiple times here on PrepHole and discord, with nothing happening. This just tells me that you are too weak willed and feminine to do anything.
You're moronic and a pedophile
Post it again, I just remember that you live in some shithole shoebox house in north texas
Also no matter how much you simp for a2, he still thinks you're a homosexual and will never be your friend
74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431. Come and fight. Inb4 1000 reasons why you won't, to or far, I don't have gas money, etc
You aren't worth anyone's time and it's hilarious that you think you ever would be.
I know you live in Texas moron. You moved there because you thought it was a based state (it isn't)
I was going to move there but I ultimately didn't.
>74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431
you're probably going to get raped tonight 🙁
lube your buns.
>74 Colorado Street Keene NH 03431
Are you allowed to live that close to a children's museum?
No, someone should alert the authorities
Ok moron. I remember you posting an even shittier looking house with a texas address, claiming to live there.
Yep, keep the excuses coming they are like drinking a fine wine
>talks shit
>lies about address while asking me to turn up
Buddy you're a joke, your brain is degenerating as we speak. You're going to be a vegetable before you're 40. I'll visit you in the hospital and cum in your feeding tube
Yep nothing but excuses from you; you are all talk. Like I said, you are too weak willed and feminine to do anything.
Buddy I'm not driving up to NH to knock on old Mrs. Parenteau's door because you're too much of a b***hmade homosexual to post your actual address after talking so much shit. I won't tell you to have a nice day because it'll be a lot funnier watching your post quality degrade as your brain turns into swiss cheese. Pedo.
I love seeing people get so bootyblasted at strangers on the internet
Pedo
You’ve been btfo so hard this thread that you posted your address in a 2008 style “fight me irl pussy” gambit
I sincerely think he may be suffering from a TBI. These kinds of reactions from them make it seem like their reality is just offset from the objective what-is gives me the impression that he's suffering from a TBI. A close friend of mine had a TBI from his service (mild and diagnosed for the longest time from when a mortar landed like 10 ft away from him in afghanistan where he was untouched but the concussive blast that close crossed some wires). There were so many times where it took multiple people having to tell him "no man, that's not what's going on" or "dude, that's not how it is, we're not lying to you, truly". For him to go "frick am I messed up?". He's fine now after some light but consistent therapy, but man this ILADD guy seems like he has a TBI.
Just how it seems to me anyway.
*undiagnosed
>Being this much of a pussy to post your real info
lol
Keep it that way lil b***h, you know what would happen.
Most of the shit on that list is subjective, moronic, or irrelevant, and in no way supports the assertion that the XCR is a “shit rifle,” only that a fanboy prefers it to another rifle. Real use case will demonstrate marginal difference
Course he doesn’t
All of those other guns are better on meme value alone, the sad frick from cangen that keeps posting these things needs to wrap up the public cope
>No CHF barrel
Thats a feature. CHF is shit.
You've never touched a firearm.
Black person my job is making firearms. Lick my balls moron.
What manufacturer do you work for that employs the mentally disabled? Need to make sure to avoid it.
Putting an ar upper onto a lower doesn’t mean you make firearms for a living.
>my dad works at Nintendo
homosexual
Hardly the same thing ya nig
I'm glad you put your trip on. I'm going to just leave this here.
You should post the follow up where I address and refute that ignorance. Funny how you never do.
>A2 has never fired an XCR
>il4pedo has to shit up every thread about the XCR because of sour grapes and the inability to go outside due to his pedo ankle monitor
Wew lad this is a major assblasting. Curious to see what kind of cope will ensue from the tripBlack person
>Heavier
True, 7.9lbs of a 16" SCAR 17S compared to a similarly configured 8.2lbs XCR-M
>No aftermarket
I've ordered multiple extra barrels, uppers, and stock adapters from RA. Besides a better trigger than what is actually a great factory two stage, what's the problem?
>No chf
Ok
>Long stroke inferior recoil
Tuneable gas system gapes the SCAR recoil impulse, have fun buying a $150 aftermarket gas regulator for your rilfe that is already $1000 more just to get a similar result.
>Only market supporting company is dead
N/A
>Not as tested
It's been around as long as the SCAR has, any real issues have been fixed and the company isn't going anywhere so your warranties (ones that aren't voided by using a suppressor) are safe.
>Inferior CH
Wrong in every possible way, SCAR knuckle is dogshit and one of the worst parts of the design which is coped by lengthened aftermarket charging handles that stick out further and snag more easily. If you actually think the CH is worse please tell me what riding on the short bus is like.
>No jet support
Meaningless with an adjustable gas system, just ask Mototech engineering about their SCAR gas regulators and why they don't care about gas jets.
>240 inch pounds
This is a problem, why?
>Upcharging for MLOK
Go to their site right now and show me the price increasing on their gun builder when you go from Keymod to MLOK
>t.XCR and SCAR enjoyer
They used to charge $100 to go MLOK IIRC. Don't think it's a thing anymore
>you should screenshot this because he's going to post the same thing in a month when there's another XCR thread
NTA but here you go
But anon how am I going to zoom around the battlefield while being weighed down by that extra POINT FIVE L B S?
My bad
*POINT THREE L B S
Based XCRbro doing the mundane work of btfoing the tripgay
>Tuneable gas system gapes the SCAR recoil impulse
No it doesn't. Your recoil is a harsh jerk; it's shit. That's why everyone abandoned long stroke last century.
>It's been around as long as the SCAR has, any real issues have been fixed and the company isn't going anywhere so your warranties (ones that aren't voided by using a suppressor) are safe.
Lotta text here spouting off random bullshit, you still did not even mention the no adoption the xcr has. That's why the xcr will always be a range toy.
>This is a problem, why?
Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws.
>Go to their site right now and show me the price increasing on their gun builder when you go from Keymod to MLOK
Oh wow looks like they stopped doing that predatory practice against customers. Good job, only took them a fricking decade to do what every other company has been doing forever.
>never shot the gun but has an opinion on its recoil
>honestly thinks a manufacturer shipped a rifle that needs 240 FTLBS of torque on kitchen hardware sized screws
>muh adoption meme
>still has his trip on
Lol. LMAO even.
>Recoil
I don't know what to say to you if you're not going to believe me when I say my XCR kicks less than my SCAR when properly tuned. If you wanna post your guns and show me you have both I'll consider your opinion.
>Adoption
Ignoring the based leafs that use XCRs to hunt... it not being used by a bunch of high school dropouts doesn't really bother me as a recreational civilian shooter. The SCAR has been used for almost 20 years and all FN has done is...
- Fixed their shitty stock latch
- Fixed the oversized gap in the of the monolithic receiver that was letting spent casings get stuck up inside the bolt carrier
- Fixed bolt hold open incompatibility with G2 PMAGs (pathetic that this was ever a problem)
- Given it a non reciprocating charging handle which is now angled downwards slightly because it's still in a shit location
- Given the gas regulator a single suppressed setting
None of which has needed to be corrected since day 1 with the XCR. All that military adoption just makes it look like the SCAR is playing catch-up to me
>Torque wrench
First, it's one screw. Second, I don't know what your experience is like but if I search torque wrench on Amazon both their recommended choice and the first result after that can hit 20ft-lbs. Third, RA technically says that if you undo the bolt a full three turns, it's approximately sufficient enough to tighten it back a full three turns to torque the barrel properly on the fly.
> based leafs that use XCR's for hunting
Yeah about that... we don't really use then anymore (unless they absolutely don't care about laws)
Frick, ignore my terrible spelling mistake
>recoil is harsh but I've never actually shot one
Ok moron
>240ftlbs
You really think you can go to 240ft/lbs with a hand held 1/4" allen wrench? moronic again
>blah blah money
Going to circle back to poorgay mentality. You don't shoot your gun. You don't go outside. You seethe on the internet.
> No it doesn't. Your recoil is a harsh jerk; it's shit. That's why everyone abandoned long stroke last century.
Leaving aside the fact that you can get the XCR in short stroke, I own both short stroke guns and an XCR and find the difference in recoil impulse between them negligible. In fact, I wouldn’t have thought to compare them if not for brand prostitute homosexuals like yourself
> Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws.
Incredibly moronic as other posters have already pointed out; entirely discrediting
> Oh wow looks like they stopped doing that predatory practice against customers
Selling different models at different prices isn’t predatory, moron. Wow some companies charge more for picatinny rails vs MLok! Call the FTC!
What's the green bit near your front takedown pin?
Electrical tape, it’s a temporary shim.
>Most torque wrenches don't go up to 240 ft lbs afaik. So you would need to buy a specialized tool just to frick with the screws.
You clearly aren't qualified to operate a torque wrench anyway.
smelly, dumb, tripgay scum
Long stroke systems are simply superior to gas tappet.
The SCAR has a huge bolt carrier as well, so it effectively has a long stroke level recoil impulse regardless.
If its soft, thats because there's no inherent connection between long stroke and heavy recoil regardless of what morons with shit tier AK's tell you.
>there's no inherent connection between long stroke and heavy recoil
you would think this would be obvious since the equation for recoil has no terms for the type of gas system, but you can't really expect tripgays who don't know the difference between in-lbs and ft-lbs to comprehend simple 2nd grade arithmetic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_recoil#Calculating_free_recoil_using_non-SI_units
also looking at that rifle recoil table I've gotta get off my ass and get an ak-74.
Its largely because a heavy mass getting kicked back to the shooter hard imparts a very sharp smack on them, effectively more felt recoil.
This heavy mass in our case is the bolt carrier being hit by the gas being tapped off.
Low quality AKs are often stupidly overgassed and equipped with weak recoil springs, so they tend to slam into the rear of the receiver, giving a stronger feeling of recoil.
Light weight bolt carriers can never transmit as much force to the shooter so when poorly gassed they end up feeling like there's less recoil when they slam into the receiver.
You end up with gunlore saying that long stroke piston mechanisms or other gun mechanisms with heavy bolt carriers have inherently more recoil than those with lighter bolts because they have more reciprocating mass.
When in reality its ultimately a factor of the gassing of the system. People are bad at tuning their firearms and manufacturers chasing 'reliability' (especially when selling poorly made guns) open up gas ports far more than they should.
When you get a gun made properly like a SCAR or an XCR, people learn that the heavy reciprocating mass is not some negative that ruins the recoil impulse of the gun.
*can almost never
I guess I'll cover my ass there.
Facts. Case and point:
XCR-L BCG: 12.9oz
ACR BCG: 15.4oz
SCAR 16 BCG: 20.6oz
Confirmed with 7.62/6.5g bolt. I didn't think it was that light.
I tune for lrbho to work with the weakest load for that setup (usually tula). With the newer omni brass deflector it ends up around 10ft ejection. Ends up 15ft with hot stuff like 77gr or mk318. For winter it's usually +1 above that setting, and +2 if -35 or colder.
Works good with the M. Too long for L I think
Do you loctite the barrel bolt?
Absolutely not. It's a helicoil so thread locker will eventually frick it up
You taken the XCR out in the cold? How's it perform? Do you do any "prep" to it?
I'm (906) here, so it easily gets -35 and lower where I'm at, and if I degrease my AR in the ultrasonic, then put Winter Balm where it needs to go, I've never had a problem, even after dropping it into a creek... "accidentally" once, plus some indoor/outdoor cycles, but I was thinking of using that AR for other things and thought of getting an XCR recently in 6.8, so maybe it could pull double duty.
No grease. Thin coat of G96 works until -35. Dry lubes below that. Typically +1 or +2 gas over your summer setting. Works pretty good, selector and mag release will be the first things that will give you grief because of the tight mating surfaces. Condensation gets everywhere and if your taking it in and out of warm environments you'll want to manipulate the selector a few times to keep it from hardening up.
Nice. I'll definitely consider that if/when I place the order.
>Dry Lubes
I REALLY like Hornady OneShot, but since it's gotten below -35 before, and I think that's all it's "rated" to, so I switched to CherryBalmz since SOTAR "recommended" it or whatever. I usually just work some into the selector and mag release and it seems to keep the ice out and from forming in general (can't tell if the Cerakote vs Anodized is helping much at all in either direction here). The GarandThumb video really assblasted me, so I'm extra autistic about getting my AR's to work right in freezing conditions, even if abused.
>Protip: If you're having trouble with the mag release, and you're using USGI mags, try grabbing the mag and "wiggling" it in the magwell while holding the button.
>Protip #2: Buy larger safety selectors, the extra leverage breaks ice like you wouldn't believe.
>Protip #3: You can be rough with AR's, they're not fragile. I've bicycle kicked the T-Handle on my ADM (Not even a fan of the Radian Raptors tbh, but they still seem fine so far) when it got stuck, same as I'd do to my Meridian AK, and it's been fine so far.
TL;DR: Frick GT, Frick AKgays, Yooper Powah, Cold ain't shit.
Also: Pasties aren't that great, don't believe the billboards.
When I did the gt test on the xcr and poured a quart of water on it at -30, I had to beat the selector with a screwdriver to get it to move, but otherwise I've never had a problem. Usually after 20-30m outside I'll move it a couple times and it's fine after that.
See at temps like that I’d worry about the polymer lower on my Bren, and I’d worry about the poly lower on the SCAR as well. I swapped one Bren poly lower out with an aluminum lower so I don’t worry about that one as much. But the XCR seems like a really good cold weather rifle.
>NOT TO BE SOLD OR TRANSFERRED
Lol took me a second. Uhaulcops coming for me shortly I guess
Also I'll be testing the coom lube cold formula this winter. Pretty happy with the regular version, although it does seem to get pushed off metal easily. Ex if you lube the bcg or barrel, brush and grass rubbing on it seems to wipe it off. I just applied a second thin layer so we'll see.
M standard length type 2 (short stroke) gas, 7.62 bolt
If you include the piston weight, the ACR is probably equal to the scar
You might be right, but is that fair to count considering it has such a short path of travel and isn't apart of the real reciprocating mass?
It travels a lot farther than any other SSP I can think of except the XCR, but that mass isn't included in what the spring is dampening, so I guess not.
This. If you can adjust the gas to where the bolt carrier just very barely doesn’t touch the rear of the receiver, it feels sooooo much softer shooting without sacrificing reliability for that load .
Great summary.
plastic FAL
There are 3 plastic pieces on it:
Brass deflector
Cheek rest
Charging handle forward assist
Someone made up some metal charging handle buttons, and you can technically use FAL charging handle with a slight modification, but you lose the FA. I've mortared one of mine on a truck tailgate and it didn't break.
you're thinking of the SCAR. the XCR has very little plastic on it. pistol grip, cheek rest, buttpad, case deflector, and charging knob.
>long stroke piston SCAR
>$2500
Desperately want
What MOA does the XCR-M pull?
Typically around 1-1.5 with most stuff. Mine really likes 168smk/tmk in that weight, and can do slightly under 1moa. I'm trying a new hunting bullet (norma 180gr copper), but I cannot get it tighter than 3moa. I have a feeling it's just shit ammo or has the wrong seating depth for the M barrel, so I'm going to test it in my tikka setup and see how it groups. Tikka in a chassis makes any ammo sing, will find out on next range trip.
Be sure to post. Thanks
What does a SCAR’s look like, for comparison?
The tripgay destruction in this thread has single-handedly made my decision for me. XCR-Mgays, I am become one of you
Does RA make the competition-length L uppers in MLOK now, or are they still dickmod only? When I ordered mine, I don't remember MLOK being an option for the long ones.
I'd email and ask, personally I'm not a huge fan of the comp length. Standard or mini M for me.
I'll steal the SCAR from my mom and check it out with the 180gr but typically they are 1moa guns with most decent ammo
Piston maybe?
Like 95% sure they do
Shill me the XCR more, I'm interested.
See
It go bang. It go bang in very cold. It change rock size. It monolithic for beating off rabid bears and big cats. It make il4dd seethe.
What more could grug want
Is the ACR ever going to comeback?
Bushmaster keeps promising to. We'll see I hope so.
You made me wonder if Bushmaster updated their site yet. No more "Soon to be perfected" banner, but just a change to a "Coming soon(tm)" dropdown.
Not a good feeling. Perpetual stock of overpriced GunBroker bids it is, then.
there is this thing tho
https://www.bushmaster.com/acr-450-bushmaster/
I really wish KRG did more than that limited run of the Fox42 rifle (.308 ACR aka the “Massoud”)
I finally gave up on Franklin after 3 years and got an AUG with the money I had saved up for a second ACR.
Back in the day didn't Alex sue bushmaster over the ACR bolt release? What ever came of that?
There's a single man company called Templar Precision that keeps making parts for it but I don't know if they make every single part so you can build one from scratch.
Athlon uses German glass in their top tier tubes, but I'm not sure who makes it. Tubes are Japanese. It's very clear until 25x, but gets a bit of distortion at max power. I mostly shoot it at 20x so I can watch the bullet trail to spot shots.
I think it's 700 and lower - China tube/glass
800-1300 - Japanese tube/glass
1300+ - jap tube/German glass
Elcan still some of the clearest glass I've seen. I'm pretty happy with the Athlon for the price, the glass punches above it's price point. They upgraded the turrets in the gen2, I'm sure they'll give me one of those if I have any trouble with it.
Why the Elcan + Holosun combo, when the Elcan has a flawless 1x and built in BUIs and is already pretty heavy by itself?
Passive aiming is pretty much the only reason. Mostly just playing with it. The 1.5-6 needs it a bit more since the extra zoom is a bit distracting
Can't you put a RDS on top and passive aim through that? A clip-on NV/Thermal would be my pick for anything magnified.
XCRgays, what's the practical difference between the Fast2 and Fast3 stocks?
Fast3 is longer LOP and a straight cheek rest/comb. Good for prone/bench shooting
Thanks.
>an adjustable LOP from 13” to 17”.
>17" LOP
christ
what the frick
I mean, nobody extends the stock that far, but perhaps if you’re a giant or really like bench shooting, it could be practical.
I was going to say "It's probably good for getting maximum leverage on the XCR-L Mini, since your support hand can't go very far out on that stubby handguard anyway" but they don't actually offer that configuration in their custom rifle builder.
Longer length of pull. IIRC, the FAST 2 has an adjustable lengtj of pull from 11” to 14”, whereas the FAST 3 stock has an adjustable LOP from 13” to 17”. The FAST 2 has an angled two-position cheek riser, the FAST 3 has a straight three-position cheek riser.
>13 to 17
13 is like my maximum for a combat rifle lmao
My brother just bought an XCR with the Fast 2 and we both feel it’s a little short. He’s 6’3” though and I’m 6’5”. He kinda wants to throw a Zhukov stock on his
I recently bought a doublestar ace stock 1" rubber pad that fits perfectly onto FAST2 stock. Made the LOP a bit better, for $20 it could be worth trying?
I’ll suggest that to him. However, he really likes how the Zhukov looks on the XCR for some reason. Further, I think once you add the adapter for the Zhukov to the XCR the LOP is pretty long which means you wouldn’t have to extend the stock at all which is always a bonus (less play in the stock). Good idea regardless
Higher and flatter cheek weld and longer LOP on the FAST3, maybe better for precision shooting than the FAST2. Minor weight differences. That's about it.
Oho, what do we have here?
Wonder if you can order just the barrels if you already have a 6.5G rifle.
You can. Email their sales address and they can set you up with a barrel kit
I want one in 6.5gren but dk how accurate it is compared to a DI AR. Want to be able to shoot out to 500+, MOA accuracy with good ammo
I have 12 and 16"
It'll do that. Really likes 130gr berger
>zero target with wolf @50 resting on a snow bank
Damn not bad for steel case. I’d be reloading so MOA looks achievable
Also asc 25rd and of course the elanders work good. Skip unimag for 6.5g (not like you can get them anymore anyway)
Why is the ejection port so small?
Why ejection port need to be big?
for the .458 SOCOM and .45 Raptor barrels
God they're hideous
Posting XCR
what state is this? looks pretty
>FN SCAR
>Robinson XCR
>CZ BREN 2
>Bushmaster ACR
>B&T APC
Rank em
Functionally basically the same, except for maybe the ACR which doesn’t really exist anymore. Probably marginal differences in extreme use. Differences in ergos (I prefer XCR style bolt controls personally). This judgement of course will be pilloried by brandgays and triphomosexuals who have significant portions of their ego wrapped up in the products they buy
I've only ever shot the scar (16) and I liked it so much I bought it
How bad is customer service for these? Is getting spare parts easy?
Parts other than barrels are easy and quick. Barrels are made to order and take months. I had a problem and talked to Robinson via email, was courteous and quick to help. I think he’s mellowed out as he’s gotten older lmao
RA has always been very responsive with me when emailing their sales department and asking for new parts, be it stock adapters, barrel kits, or uppers. Granted, barrels and uppers you generally have to wait a few months for to be made, but they respond timely with an invoice.
>FN SCAR: #1 in reliability, aftermarket parts, weight
>RA XCR: #1 in caliber options, controls
>Bushmaster ACR: #1 in stock design, cool gimmicks, and getting "Is that a SCAR?" questions at the range
>CZ Bren 2: can't say anything about it because I haven't had the chance to buy one yet.
>B&T APC: #1 in nothing. Heavier than the SCAR but similar price with little to no aftermarket support, you can't change the barrel, and it comes with a shitty stock that everyone replaces so add $300 to the base price. The only thing anyone ever says good about it it "wow the action is so smooth, muh swiss engineering"
That's definitely what you meant by ranking them, right?
t. biased against the APC
So how do you compare the XCR to the Scar in reliability?
I haven't had any malfunctions with either that weren't induced by undertuning the gas regulator on either. The only reason I'm saying the SCAR is more reliable is that it's had military adoption, the BCG is heavier so the extra inertia presumably helps with extraction and feeding, and during those malfunctions, the XCR's chamber felt a bit tight to I had to sort of mortar it while with the SCAR I didn't have the same issue.
Also I don't want to get another (You) from that pedophile SCAR simp brainlet
Will people think I’m some kind of pedophile if I buy a CZ Bren over a SCAR 16? I really don’t want to end up on the sex offender registry just because I bought the “SCAR at home.”
I've seen more praise for the Bren than the Scar if anything (when both are compared)
7.62x39 Bren had some issue but I believe its been fixed for the most part. 5.56 model never had problems from what I know
A ton of foreign fighters in Ukraine are rocking Bren 2s. From what I’ve read and seen, they seem to like them quite a lot .
Right, but they are losing. So not exactly a good look for the Bren 2.
If they're good enough for military service, they must be decent. But small arms have little to do with deciding the winners of any conflict.
What kind of moronic logic is that
I’d buy a Bren over a 16 (and did). I want a 17 however, although I’m considering an XCR-M for the ergos and calibers
Poor mans SCAR
The SCAR is way overpriced. >3k for an L is frickin’ nuts
SCAR17 was $2800~ when it first hit the market, all 5 rifles of it. The MSRP price didn't climb due to overtime inflation, it climbed in accordance to the fricking 3rd party sellers who were asking $3500~ prices back then.
If I save enough money, I'd get a SCAR17, but overall, frick FN.
It's a little excessive considering how many reasonable alternatives exist now, and the fact that it's an extruded aluminum upper held together with screws, on an injection-molded lower, backed by multiple juicy government contracts.
It's ridiculous that a gun like that should cost almost as much as a MR73.
what about the HK MR762? It was $3500 when it came out a few years ago, and now it's commanding $4000.
It has to be unreasonably expensive to comply with German export laws.
Speaking of import/export laws, here's a picture of the "sporting purposes" stock that SCARs enter the country with—FNH USA then sends them back to Belgium after fitting the SCARs with their 922(r) parts, because apparently all that bullshit is cheaper and/or less legally complicated than just making them in the USA in the same factories that are already tooled up to make SCARs for the government.
Plenty of carolina made SCARS on the civilian market.
Is it true it’s 6061?
Wouldn't surprise me.
Damn the Bren is 7075
XCR lower is 7075
Upper is secret sauce but I'm guessing something close to 7075
I believe it. I heard the SCAR upper was 6061 which made me lmao given the shit in this thread
I think almost everything extruded is 6061. Gun should be 1500ish imo
I priced one out the other day and it was over $2500 for a .243 Win with an exposed gas block; calling it a "poor man's SCAR" is like calling the Panobridge a "poor man's GPNVG"—it's not incorrect, but both solutions are so expensive that actual poorgays will never touch them.
>bump limit on XCR thread
Nice. And I didn't even start it.
This is why we need /icg/. Far better than /arg/ which is full of trips and bullshit.
I’d read the Bren upper was 7075, could be wrong
Start it, no one can stop you
Too few OG kommandos, too many ukr/rusBlack folk and r*dditors flooding the board. Maybe I’ll give it another shot coming up
Weird SCAR-FALS.