From the August 2022 edition of the Marine Corps Gazette.
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>the Russians conducted a brief campaign of maneuver in the north in order to set the stage for a longer, and, ultimately, more important, campaign of attrition in the east
what the FRICK does this even mean? how on earth did getting routed in the north "set the stage" for anything whatever?
Well, russians getting their asses handed to them in Kiev did indeed set the stage for a lot longer campaign.
If they had not lost all those assets in that useless offensive they would probably control the whole east by now and maybe even managed to do an real offense towards Odessa.
These are rolls of dice Anon. They had to push hard early and find out even if the forward army wasn't exactly fully prepared. If the advance had been slower RU might not be hardened up in Kherson now. Kherson BTW more strategic. Imagine on the other hand UKR C&C bailed in fear early - EZ win. Fortunes of war.
>the Russians purposefully lost thousands of men, scores of tanks and vehicles, dozens of aircraft, nullified their professional airborne forces, committed massacres and war crimes, pillaging and raping and mass executions.....
>.... in order to do a long, grinding, attritional WW1 tier war in the East
Why?
Also if the Russian artillery barrage strategy was so defeststing why would they move units out of the Donbas.
The guy literally goes
>They didn't use artillery barrage in the North to not upset Ukrainians
and then says
>They didn't use artillery barrage in the East because they speak Russian
and then says
>They use artillery barrages because it kills a lot of people and makes them psychologically damaged, look at this videos of Ukrainians saying they refuse to attack!
Well which is it? They resorted to artillery because that was the only way they could make progress WITHOUT massive losses. As they suffered massive losses when they tried to do Dime Store Operation Desert Storm.
Speaking of that, what happened to that guy, Spyrer or w/e who said we'd be studying the invasion for centuries to come because it'd make the Iraq War look amateurish?
I have no idea. The author seems to believe that this attritional warfare is the best means of 'demilitarization' despite it being the exact opposite.
Performing encirclements through maneuver warfare is the best way to destroy an enemy, and without this you just get the case where every impending encirclement after Mariupol was just walked out of by the Ukies in good order.
His stance on the air war is most moronic. He calls it effective, accurate, and moral.
Why couldn't they have used said forces they wasted in the North to attack in the East? Reason? They wanted to take Kiev and install a puppet government. This is self-admitted as the goal in the Russian media article they published and then hastily took down on Feb 26th where they state that Ukraine has returned to Russia has part of the Union, the evil satanic Anglo-Saxons have been defeated, that Germany and France must bow down to the new power that is rising! That history will remember the gloriousness of Russia for making themselves the superpower in the world.
Did this article writer not read this or not know about it? You can apply hindsight to any military failure and say what good it did. Dieppe was a catagorical failure, but it did save thousands of lives at D-Day. It doesn't stop Dieppe being a failure. It was still massively important to success of D-Day. This guy is going
>Russia did this on purpose so they could do their real objectives and here is an example from the 19th century to prove it!
No, you can say what good the action might have done for your goals, but the goal was very clearly to oust Zelensky and get a pro-Russian puppet installed after the previous one was ousted.
>it was just a feint, bro!
>don't shell my airfield, bro!
>nullified their professional airborne forces
yes, russia lost 30,000 VDV. dont worry about proofs with peremoga
what happens with retired mutt soldiers and officers? why do they like sucking russian wiener so much even serbs look straight compared to them?
they seem to be 100% wrong when it comes to strategic affairs
>avoidance of collateral damage
>extraordinary precision of the weapons
>judicious choice of targets
lol
lmao
References: New York Times, Washington Post and The Guardian
And into the wheelie bin it goes.
>Map shows Crimea and Donbas not part of Ukraine
Based Marine Corps Gazette.
>be russia
>be shitty
>wanna look good
>look through thousands of articles in the west for one idiot saying stuff in their flavor or something they can rip out of context
>"See? Russia actually strong."
So, i'm not reading all that shit, is the guy an idiot or did they just rip stuff out of context?
>Russia posts on /k/
Meds, now.
Do you have autism or are you generally moronic? Probably just mad because someone made fun of Russia.
Yes, they do post here.
Proof?
>People using the word 'ukrop', 'khokol', or calling Ukrainians pigs---all common insults in Russian for Ukrainians but completely unknown in the West
>Ceaseless deflection of Russian military failures
>If that doesn't work, they follow a predictable script, about reddit, marvel, da gays, 'globohomo'. Because these are good ways to derail a discussion into an unreadable shitflinging session
Certain topics, e.g Chernobyl, or Russian military disasters, draw them like flies to shit
Oh wow! Now I am convinced that Russia is losing and the West is strong and incorruptible!
Post Saky airbase
Post Kherson
Thanks for proving Russians post here
>Chernobyl
Cope hohol piggy. CIA agents blew up that reactor and russia sacrificed its world building empire to save the world from the glowBlack person disaster.
>me on the left, kneeling before the most hardcore special force in the world
am agree as white Christian man from Texas oblast by name of Elomyr Fudd, no proud strong man from rossiya post on /k/ and medical attention is needed
that's a lot of word salad...
Alright I read it.
The guy simply points out the (few) positive effects of the Russian flying columns and gives historical examples in order to show that it is a valid tactic. Which is true. What they tried to pull off in February was pure blitzkrieg or maneuverist doctrine or whatever the French call it - they did much the same at Mali. It's also the same strategy attempted by the Soviets in Afghanistan, with a little more success back then, and in Hungary, and it's theorised that they would have gone with a similar game plan in Poland and in the Cold War had it gone hot.
However, the paper doesn't address either the suitability or the effective execution of the tactic. Was it after all the best tactic to use? Probably not. Was the plan carried out well? Also probably not.
And after all, it's only the opinion of the author. The point of publishing papers in academic discourse is not to declare that these papers are THE WAY THE LIGHT AND THE TRUTH; it is so that other experts can critique and comment on the papers. (Something that is lost on those people who talk about TRUSTING THE SCIENCE all the time.)
i'm assuming he wrote that during the very early stages of the war and it only got published now because
>raid
>striking swiftly
>current state of russian operations
lol. lmao, even
not reading that
it's been posted before with the exact same highlights, you probably saw it already anyway
>NOOOO, YOU HAVE TO POST SOMETHING ORIGINAL!!!!!
/k/ brainlets are so dumb they can't even read and refute a crayon eater
No one cares you fricking moron. Go away. Go shill your autistic nonsense elsewhere.
No one cares you fricking moron. Go away. Go shill your autistic nonsense elsewhere.
It’s because everyone knows this is one of your threads Armatard / vatnik shill, so no one wasted time reading vatBlack person cope and the sequel to Scott ritter’s CP adventure. You can seethe about it and try false flagging “no u are the vatnik” as usual. It just makes us buck break you even more.
Are you OK? You're talking nonsense. And no, I'm not going to look up your homosexual jargon.
Playing stupid has not helped you so far
Jesus christ that link. I ain't clicking that shit homie.
Anyway, why so many american officers seem clinically moronic?
>Anyway, why so many american officers seem clinically moronic?
ESL moment.
What are your qualifications? Have you been commissioned as an officer in the armed forces of any nation?
Sure, I'm five star general in Chinese army.
So then you agree with the PRC's position that the United States instigated the Ukrainian war and that there should be no action taken against Russia (including sanctions)?
No, I agree in general assestment that the overwhelming first strike is the only moderate solution to russian problem.
A lot of them got bought into the whole Russian no-nonsense efficiency through brutality meme (herp derp 10 hostage 2 terrorist = 12 body bags, mission accomplished). Since working in the US arms force does have a lot of rule of conduct they have to follow, which often time admittedly can be seemed as pointless and detriment to the actual mission success. So they got into this headspace of "if we operate closer to how Russian operates, we'd be unstoppable!", also "manly man recruitment ads! wouldn't it be great if we have those again!?".
So when the so called Russian efficiency failed to deliver, they started doing mental gymnastics in an attempt to convince themselves/others that either to give Russian excuses for all the setbacks, or how there's an unseen plan, or simply move the goal post. When all they really had to do is to just admit that they were wrong.
Oh, and isn't it interesting that just about all of these are coming from ex/retired US military officers?
>A lot of them got bought into the whole Russian no-nonsense efficiency through brutality meme (herp derp 10 hostage 2 terrorist = 12 body bags, mission accomplished).
moron, the article talks about Russia purposefully limiting civilian casualties.
>Oh, and isn't it interesting that just about all of these are coming from ex/retired US military officers?
Groupthink is mandatory white on Active Duty. And former/retired officers are free from groupthink and also aware that Russia is not the USSR.
>Russia purposefully limiting civilian casualties
So the article writer is moronic because that is the thing that Russia does not do. Unless you count some shit like Russia not using WMDs against civilians, which Russia does not do only because it would get the West involved for real.
>Unless you count some shit like Russia not using WMDs against civilians, which Russia does not do only because it would get the West involved for real.
Yeah right. Syria """used""" chemical weapons against civilians after Obama said that it was a "red line". The US didn't do shit to Syria. And you think it would do shit to Russia, which actually has the capacity to harm/destroy the USA?
moron. I can't wait until summer is over.
Lol. Who cares about syrians, they are muslims and not white
>The US didn't do shit to Syria. And you think it would do shit to Russia, which actually has the capacity to harm/destroy the USA?
By that logic, puccia couldn't defeat the USA because it can't beat oinkraine
>the article talks about Russia purposefully limiting civilian casualties.
Exactly! That's amongst the fricking excuses they're giving to Russian. IE they're not steamrolling Ukraine because they're trying to play "nice".
I've seen this trash posted twice before and the first time it was jannied.
It's not really moronic, per se. It's contrarian cope. Military journals have a number of common topics and one of them is letting junior officers post contrarianism.
It's probably Lind (a neverserved reformist with deep USMC connections who fetishizes the Prussians) or someone aping him.
>Various mentions of WWI and WWII era German tactics
>"What would be even worse, we may find ourselves fighting disciples of John R. Boyd.
Yeah, that might be Lind already."
100% Loyd or someone aping him.
>the first time it was jannied.
yeah that was my post. Why would a jannie fear that people might read an article and discuss it's merits or lack thereof. Who would feel threatened by such a thing.
It's just some American using hindsight to see success in failures
>not reading that
Saw a guy last week who had a skull sorta like that. Massive scarring and removal on the back left quarter of his head. I don't know if it was a motorcycle accident or some sort of tumor removal thing, although I have a hard time imagining a doctor leaving that much of a mess for anything that had been planned out.
He was being helped to walk around by an older woman, probably his mother.
>not reading that
>posts steroid-using, race-mixing, cuckservative adulterer unironically
The absolute state of /k/.
The /misc/Black person fears the self-realized man.
>fires over 3000 cruise and ballistic missiles
>the most any invasion force has fired in the history of warfare
>takes out some oil refineries and military vehicle factories
>but proves utterly incapable of decapitating the country's decision making organs
>or paralyzing its military communications
>or civilian communications
>or logistics
>or air force
>or rail transport
>or road transport
>or electricity generation
>or fuel supply
>or food production
>or literally anything
>targets tons of residential buildings instead tho
What did Russia mean by this?
It's a punitive expedition, not an invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_expedition
cope
Russia failed to capitulate Ukraine and the best they can do is grind in the east with the hope of peace talks that will never come.
People laugh but this happened in the last 120 years where morons, mostly western boomers, start changing the facts and sweet talk russian performance. Happen with the Russian performance in WW1, especially in WW2, Chechnya, Afghanistan or Georgia.
Not reading all that but is he just talking for 4 pages about the “raid” stuff? Sounds like he just desperately wants his USMC doctrine to be relevant and now he’s projecting onto Russia.
Why do you guys keep shitting up every single thread? Keep it to one or two like everyone else
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There’s no way the person who wrote that article is well respected. Sure, he is a “crayon eater” hahaha, but there’s just no way an officer from the same military that performed Desert Storm and invaded Iraq again in 2003 looks at the Russian actions in Ukraine and says “yep, that’s how an invasion is done successfully.”
You good, hohol?
How’s your airfield vatnik?
I don't know, I've never left the US
>everyone I disagree with is a Russian!
Tell your shrink about this. He might need to up your dosage.
If you’re ever curious as to why this, or in fact any kind of blatantly moronic dribble, gets published, it’s because western publications put sales before good journalism. The 100th article of “this is why Russia is sucking ass” is not going the get people’s attention and sell copies/get clicks as “this is why you’re WRONG and Russia is ACTUALLY winning.”
The exact same thing happened at the start of the war, in reverse. Most experts agreed Ukraine was fricked, and publishing stories about what everyone assumed they already knew wasn’t gonna fly. So every publication ran with “This is why Ukraine is ACTUALLY WINNING.”
Dipshits who once cried about “biased western publishers lying about Ukraine winning” back in Feb and March are now toting the exact same sources as “proofs Ukraine is losing” because those publishers have flipped the clickbait script.
I doubt the Marine Corps Gazette engages in what you're describing. It's probably not sold retail outside of MCXs.
Behind all the posturing and chest pounding, vatniks are extremely insecure. They crave attention and mistake it with admiration. I guess since the great feint is over, even a niche American article will boost Rußian morale.
What kind of satanic moronation produced that URL and then forced you to post it here?
Man USMC officer corps leaves much to be desired.
Crayon eaters aren't deployed for their brain power, they're deployed for their ability to die in large numbers and continue to advance anyway. I can see how they might consider the Russians comrades in arms.
>author uses the pseudonym 'Marinus'
Author probably likes to huff his own farts. Pretending he's Sulla or Marius or something
This article is filled with circular reasoning. The author assumes that Russian objectives=Russian accomplishments. You could write the same article whether Russia pushed Ukraine to the Carpathians or got stalled at the border.
They did look pretty competent for the first few days, if this was written then it fits pretty well with what I remember.
It wasn't. It calls the entire northern campaign as well as Mykolaiv a feint.
>by marinus
funny bait lel
american officers have two decades of experience panning for nuggets of success in a stinking open sewer of failure at this point, it's just what they're best at. expertise demands to be used.
Justifying moronation in Modern Warfare: A Case Why Idiocy Is Russia’s Best Strategy In Ukraine
By (You)
trees died for the twas a feint meme to be printed out
>Retired USMC officer
Amazing that they could find one who wasn't busy angrily jabbing down his op-ed on how Force Redesign 2030 isn't the biggest blunder since Operation Barbarossa.
That's nice and all, but why is the 3 day war still not over if they were doing so well?
Does he praise the situational awareness and training of the rußian forces, too?
some retired pog like armchair dickylord who has nothing interesting about himself or his career so he tries to compensate by making contrarian hot takes purely for the attention. the male equivalent of "im not like the other girls"
>US Marine is moronic
Stop the fricking presses
Russians will win, we know, they know zelinskey knows. everyone knows that everyone knows. All else is vanity.
Zelsky is no longer in Ukraine btw....
the neocon israelite money laundering/biowep mecca is officially kaput.
>professional journal
>writes under a pseudonym
Pretentious homosexual, from a branch of pretentious homosexuals.