>*retcons your post apocalyptic wooden furniture ar-15 out of existence for not liking Fallout 3 and 4*
KEK
>*retcons your post apocalyptic wooden furniture ar-15 out of existence for not liking Fallout 3 and 4*
>*retcons your post apocalyptic wooden furniture ar-15 out of existence for not liking Fallout 3 and 4*
KEK
I dont think this changes anything really. Fallout has had enough conflicting canon going back to the 2d games (combustion engines in tactics, the origins of jet, etc) that any serious fan has some entries which they totally disregard. Based on the clips Ive seen, this looks like complete shit, so I think most fallout fans will respond to it the same way they did to 76, just not playing it and ignoring it.
Tactics was non-canon even before Shithesda bought it. They also looked at it, said it wasn't canon, and mined it for a couple ideas.
Tactics basically is canon. The broad events are referenced in both 3 and NV, and maybe 4 too since maxson said some shit regarding the airships but I don't entirely recall. You can say its mined for a couple of ideas, but if the idea they mined was the main plot then that's a meaningless distinction, since the aspect which they did canonize was the only thing that really matters.
>combustion engines in tactics
Not an issue, Oil was rare and pricey and other non nuclear things used for fuel were uncommon, not non existent, plus synthetic fuel exists and you can clearly see on the humvee it's not a normal engine
No it wasn't, Tactics was Canon before Bethesda
Tactics existing excuses the trashfire of fallout 4? Try harder bethestard.
Yes.
>I dont think this changes anything really
Schizo cope
the entire discontinuity can be solved by shoving NV back 5 years or the show forward 5 years so while technically breaking lore its relatively manageable
>the origins of jet
IIRC even the original games mentioned that Jet existed pre-war. Myron just found a way to mass produce it.
Never played any of the games myself, but have watched hours of YouTube videos about F:NV for most of them. Is the Vault Boy wink and thumbs up to measure smoke clouds canon to the games?
SAARS
DO NOT REDEEM THE NEW VEGAS SAARS
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A GAME WITH AN ACTUAL CIVILISATION
WHERE IS THE RUBBLE
AND GARBAGE
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No, it's just fanon that eventually got accepted as official IIRC.
On another note it took me like 2 hours to notice a legitimately real firearm in the game. b***h merchant lady has a Mini-14. 3 guesses we still won't get that in a Bethesda game because it's too modern kek
For some reason I was thinking fallout 4 took place not long after the nukes, but holy shit it takes place the latest in the timeline. That makes zero sense. Bethesda are hacks.
If I may be extremely pedantic, the opening took place during the bombing. Then many resources were reused in making 76 which is the earliest.
76 actually has very little of the trash and junk shacks of fallout4. it's suburban so no highrises with no doors, but there is miles of 1-4 story architecture with some broken windows and peeling paint alongside bombed out husks in specific parts of the map. Plot and post launch npcs are shit about the game but the setting is sadly one of the best they've made. if they announced Bethesda austin was making fallout5 I'd have slightly more hope it'd be competently manufactured slop than Todd and Emils A-team that's responsible for Sirfield.
Fallout 4 works best if you assume the people of Boston are too moronic to rebuild. Like Threads / Day After. They take place in the same universe, the English are just uniquely moronic.
>assume the people of Boston are too moronic to rebuild
So, just like real life
A super industrialized area makes the least sense for a place that would recover poorly.
Bro, it is Bethesda.
Everything they do is there for esthetics.
They chose the location because of esthetics, they chose the weapon designs because of esthetics, they designed a ruined shithole because of esthetics.
There isn't much to it.
To be fair every time the Commonwealth settlements started rebuilding regional size infrastructure or organization, the Institute shut them down. Diamond City by itself though is a higher developed settlement than any in the original Fallout. Vault City and built up Shady Sands / NCR City mog it of course. University Point looked like it could've been fairly decently developed, as Quincy, too before they both got wasted.
How so? That sort of region would take the most enemy targets, and have the most complex rebuilding issues. How are post war survivors supposed to repair or even maintain the skyscrapers or elevated freeways in the large cities?
And most people always forget the state of the universe before the bombs dropped; the global resources were almost completely exhausted and everywhere were poor planned dystopian hell holes except for America and that was only because they were swinging their big dick around and literally took over any place still relevant with resources. Also the climatic changes to the world, this was a global event that wiped out most surface life. There is no full rebuilding from that, not at any sort of scale. Even if knowledge and some access to technology was preserved, there is simply not the manpower to do anything about it, and the resources will be very limited.
>To be fair every time the Commonwealth settlements started rebuilding regional size infrastructure or organization, the Institute shut them down.
"But why though?"
NTA but the Institute likes keeping them down so they can exploit them. In the end, it screws them over too because if they want anything, they have to dig things up themselves over bartering for food or supplies.
The Institute is just as much its own enemy as it is everyone else's.
The Institute itself is a complete nonsense in the Fallout universe.
How do you develop hight tech and Androids, a far better tech than pre-war state of art, within a ressourceless world and without supplies from a global economy ?
You can't.
It was already stupid and cringe in Fallout 3 it turned out absolutely ludicrous in Fallout 4
>"But why though?"
Control. The Institute wanted to be the saviors of the Commonwealth but never realized that they were the ones destroying it.
>The Institute itself is a complete nonsense in the Fallout universe.
Don't go to Big MT Anon
I'd say that Big MT is more cannon compliant, at least id didn't broke my suspension of disbelief in an instant.
The MT tech looks like what the best of the art of the Fallout 50spunk techno could look like. It's not a SciFi bullshit out of fricking nowhere like the Institute.
I can conceive what the MT do by scavening the Wasteland, because it's more or less the same tech.
Even if it is sometime over the top. But the goofy mad scientist shitshow is the theme of the DLC, so why not.
I wouldn't Say that MT is flawless but at least, it sounds like Fallout.
Big MT is a little much for me but not totally unreasonable as the sharpest minds of the pre-war world going batty for two centuries.
It helps that they clearly establish the connection to the wider wasteland with stuff like them being responsible for some of the Sierra Madre's more impressive feats.
Yeah Big MT was decent.
>It helps that they clearly establish the connection to the wider wasteland with stuff like them being responsible for some of the Sierra Madre's more impressive feats.
Yeah not just that but also that they'd been doing that a ton, trading prototype and advanced tech for resources and favors well before the war and kept going hard after going ever more off the deep end but still brilliant. They had tons of servants and resources to work with, a huge open area, and went into things as an already very well established operation which was very different from the Institute. Plus despite all that they were decaying big time and locked in an internal conflict and insanity.
So ultimately it was on the edge a little but I think stayed on the right side overall. Advanced but not unbelievable in context, and certainly plenty fitting the setting.
They're also largely kept in their own corner. You can get away with pushing the tone or reality of the setting a little when it doesn't have to sit next to everything else. I'd have more of an issue with them if they were a faction out in the wasteland right next to the NCR and Legion, for instance.
The reasons are plausible (in the crazy fallout logic) too, as well as the general plot driver of it only being a semi-stable situation not a permanent one. I've been thinking on how best to express the difference in total feel, but I guess the Institute is, I dunno, more "self-insert"? Like, the Institute is a place that for the in-group is damn nice if you're an introvert type. It's not even like it's got any particular negative tradeoffs relatively speaking, everyone gets at least quite nice living conditions and for families too, dissent from the official line is tolerated even if total rebellion is not, it's all very clean and advanced, they really have made a mini utopia, and then their reasons for being distrustful are all justified by trying to be good first etc etc. They've built up from scratch and surpassed everything blah blah. Their big crimes are making handsome superior ageless super humans (ie., science elves) but keeping them robot level and not letting them be free.
Whereas the Big MT is advanced but gleeful cackling mad science evil too. Things are decayed to shit, super tech but it's not a nice place. Tons of their experiments are very visibly absolute total fricking failures, often expensive destructive failures (like the entire crater is due to some frickup, it used to be caves in the mountain) which actually feels more realistically "science" strangely enough. They've done impressive stuff but basically no one would look at that and say "we can just negotiate a bit and this will be a utopia!"
So even though both have super tech Institute feels like Bethesda fantasy larp magical elf village whereas Big MT feels like Fallout.
>So even though both have super tech Institute feels like Bethesda fantasy larp magical elf village whereas Big MT feels like Fallout.
I'm the opposite. Big MT and the Think Tank felt like some wacky OC self-inserts with a tacked on, "oh yeah, they're supposed to be the bad guys," elements. The Institute felt like a natural extension of Fallout's inspirations and setting elements. The Institute is a tightly controlled autocracy masquerading as a meritocracy where disobedience is met with swift punishment that maintains its power and position through the exploitation of the people under it and who views people outside of it as potential threats to be eliminated. And it does so under a veneer of benevolence and enlightenment that is self-justifying.
Old World Blues is Borderlands sold as a Fallout DLC.
I mean, it's a pretty big plot point that the Institute have been actively trying to kill any attempt at larger-scale reconstruction or political unity in the Boston area.
All of the games are simultaneously too underdeveloped and too intact for the time period.
The original game was mostly coherent on this, being set only around 80 years after the nuclear war.
The later games are the problem, because they're 200 years out.
>The later games are the problem, because they're 200 years out.
Honestly not sure if I fully agree with this. Not that bethesda aren't fricking hacks, but realistically in a scenario like that I think it's genuinely unclear exactly how it'd all go down. Most of human history is that of static, minimal change. If you plopped down in 1000 AD and then fast forwarded 200 years, not much would have changed frankly in terms of fundamentals. The last few hundred years, hell the last ONE hundred years, have had far more change compressed into them then all of history before that, that's the aberration. It wasn't destined, and it was boot strapped but ultra cheap energy you could just at the beginning literally find on or bubbling out of the ground. We have plenty of other energy options at this point, solar/wind/nuclear/geothermal, and they're very positive on lifetime power factor so while painful we could be fully self sustaining. But they also all depend on a pretty complex high tech chain. Boot strapping from scratch again would be very hard. Hell, that's true of fossil fuels themselves too. The easy stuff is mostly gone, yeah there is plenty more but it takes advanced tech to get at it.
And like, shit, just look around the planet right now. World is STILL full of static shitholes that only have tech by getting it from advanced countries.
Of course the trend in postapoc stuff is edginess and introvert fantasies that underestimate how humans can come back together in the face of disaster too. Same as SHTF moronation. But there's growing recognition that we can't take high trust society for granted, and low trust shitty ones can also be self propagating and an incredible long term drag on all aspects of civilization.
We would overcome and adapt.
200 years into the Fallout apocalypse, we wouldn't be sitting around exchanging bottle caps for three century old beans.
>We would overcome and adapt.
Depends on your definition of this. I don't think humanity would just die off for sure.
>200 years into the Fallout apocalypse, we wouldn't be sitting around exchanging bottle caps for three century old beans.
Probably true, but I could easily see a fragmented, static, feudalistic set of societies more like medieval europe with bits and pieces of technology of widely ranging advancement. If we lost most advanced energy sources though that'd make a lot of stuff very hard unless the right person got ahold of some sort of bootstrap-in-a-box, which NV actually did feature in the expansions though what might happen with it isn't covered.
Ultimately FO does suffer a bit from outcome-driven decision making. They want to keep the same static setting forever, which means they have to keep artificially selecting worldlines where shitty people keep squandering any progress and snapping everything back. Which a lot of people may be fine with in the setting but I've grown less satisfied with it over time. I'd like a bunch of history with that but I'd ultimately like to see new stuff arise.
I haven't got bored of the world state in Fallout myself because to me, only 3 games exist and they are progress logically. I do not give a frick about what ever the fu k is happening across the desert to the East
I mean, yeah for me there are three that are great (dunno if the same ones, for me it's FO1/FO2/FNV+xpacs), but the other ones do unfortunately exist, so does this new TV adaption, and I care somewhat about why they're bad. Part of that is just sheer incompetence, both technical and writing, but I'm a believer in incentives and part of it is lazy commercialism and lack of vision. The drive to just keep doing the same thing.
I guess I'm also letting my general post-apoc experience bleed in too though. I've played a fair amount in that genre, a lot of it really good, but it's also made me want to see new stuff explored sometimes and I'm more tired with pure grimderp binary "old world (our world) bad". Our current state of course is far from perfect but it's pretty fricking good vs the entire rest of history, and we can see what over-cynicism and nihilism can do to a population.
I guess I simply have a luxury of not giving a frick they are raping something I like.
New Vegas at least had the excuse of House's super duper advanced anti-missile defense system.
That just makes it worse in both directions. With the entire region relatively unscathed there is no reason why it wouldn't have remained a bastion of civilization. Conversely, the game is also full of people actively avoiding the numerous, fully intact houses and buildings for less comfortable or safe housing. When you get down to it, the Mojave should be primarily empty with all population centers centered around the Colorado River and other major water sources.
Disagree. Vegas produces nothing, and would have been quickly overtaken by sand and lawlessness. It wasnt until the NCR showed up that house woke up, and it was only then that he cleaned the streets and renovated; and then the NCR set up farms. Prior to that, there would be no civilization because the people unaffected by the bombs would have left, with the tribes house later enlists being the descendants of those too stupid to realize you can eat old casino chips.
House specifically invokes this when you talk to him about it, too. There was no need or use in a working strip because there was no society large and developed enough to have enough people interested in recreational travel and wasting disposable income to make a destination work.
In his end he also doesn't want to destabilise or destroy the NCR, he essentially just wants to secure Vegas as an independent city-state that can continue to profit off NCR citizens, and without danger of Legion aggression. His entire operation is predicated on the larger NCR doing at least okay in the long run.
According to the timeline House has been awake for decades by the time of New Vegas. Vegas would have a surviving government and infrastructure, water supplies within a short distance, agricultural capacity, industry, power, and a population with nowhere else to go. While it wouldn't truck on like it had before, you could make a solid argument that it shouldn't have regressed to where it was in game. Alternately, the Mojave is a desert and Goodsprings, Lake Mead, and the shores of the Colorado should be the only place you find people because those locations have enough water for agriculture.
The House ending is just location specific context for the NCR ending. If the NCR is doomed, then Vegas is an empty theme park.
Does Hoover Dam count?
Fallout 2 and New Vegas got more into post-post apocalypse aspects of things, where the end of the world has come and gone but now things are starting to get put back together. Jump forward to Bethesda era fallout and Fallout 3 and 4 the devs really wanted to go for that sense of still being in midst of the post apocalypse, even when it really doesn't make any goddamn sense given how long its been since the war. There's been a theory proposed that Fallout 3 was originally meant to take place closer to 20 years after the bombs as opposed around 200 that it is.
It's extra irritating because FO1 and 2 taking place so much later were just story choices made to explore specific parts of a postapoc future. It'd have been perfectly reasonable and good even to set FO3 shortly afterwards or any other time in the intervening centuries. Bethesda are creatively bankrupt morons though.
Ironically (and perhaps another source of seethe) is FNV did that better too. With the Sierra Madre, the Courier can gain access to actual nanotech molecular assemblers, and Big MT created the underlying tech and has know how to figure out new plans. Properly managed, functional cornucopia machines and sources of power really would let you bootstrap an entire society from near scratch, all the destroyed cities and even old dumps and whatever become huge high concentration mines since they can all be broken down for resources. And Courier has plenty of connections and networking.
>Big MT created the underlying tech and has know how to figure out new plans.
Not in the condition they're in by the time of the games. The best you can hope for is that they might happen to make something useful while wrangling them away from making more cazadores or other crazy shit because "science"
The Institute requires about as much handwaving as your average BoS bunker, which requires a whole lot less than the Enclave oil rig.
Hanlon himself is corrupt and incompetent, and not a reliable source of information.
A House ending has him destroying the Vegas communities to expand his Old World Vegas theme park and carry out his goals.
> Fallout 3 was originally meant to take place closer to 20 years after the bombs
That... would actually make sense. Instead of BoS, you'd have remains of Army, Gunners would be grunts turned well-armed raiders... also it makes sense that there is radiation everywhere...
> it took me like 2 hours to notice a legitimately real firearm
You didn’t notice the many, many Sterlings in the very first episode? Like the one the hot pregnant chick was blasting away with?
On one hand, she looks good with an eye patch and is the only caucasoid family woman. On the other hand, she was complicit in nuking millions of caucasoids including families
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>Never played any of the games myself, but have watched hours of YouTube videos
I wasn't born into the advantage and opportunity you were, so no gaming PC experience for me
Absolutely and it was character advancement for Anakin after getting his shit pushed in AotC. The series was equally brutal if not more than RotS and TCW
But muh pic!
3 chads won
>let’s destroy all of Fallout 2 and NV’s lore
Holy shit
What the frick
Fallout has been a zombie franchise since the bethesda buyout. they were also seething over New Vegas because it became general fan opinion that it was the only 3d fallout that really understood what fallout was actually about. the fact that I've seen multiple comments saying that the NCR needed to be destroyed because it was too built up and ruining the postapocalyptic setting just proves that the franchise as originally envisioned is dead and it's just one of a million shitty generic postapocslop fantasies now.
The US is a big place with many states unseen in Fallout. We also don't need chronological later stuff, we can do prequels. 76 is a prequel. Why the need to destroy the NCR?
Literally every writer post F2 (including writers of F2) wanted to nuke the NCR because it had gotten too big.
Then make some excuse for why its expansion isn't working or set it somewhere untouched.
That's what FNV did, but that was created by people with actual talent and not hacks
there was no need, it was pure vindictive spite on the part of the creative team. Bethesda's people have hated western fallout since NV revealed the old fans largely hated FO3 but liked NV.
more importantly the entire point of fallout wasn't postapocalypse, there are a thousand stories exploring that shit. it was about what develops after the postapocalypse. which the folks working on NV understood because a lot of them were from or worked with the original interplay/black isle team. which is why in NV there are multiple competing visions of civilization that have all developed their own cultures, economies, histories, etc while there's really none of that in FO3 or 4. Just some remnants of the kooky Science! humor that FO2 in particular had a lot of. But it had that on top of actual worldbuilding.
Exactly, you were DOING stuff for an overall vision and your own goals, each with its own tradeoffs and each with a lot of character. Dunno how to quite say it, but while you could criticize each faction for sure you also kinda felt each faction believed in themselves? And within the limits of technical and budget considerations, there was some real effort to try to let the player's choices have some meaning which played out in a decent number of different ending flavors. The along came FO4 which did away with that entirely.
I agree Bethesda hate NV in particular because it just exposed them so hard despite its many flaws. Before they could blame a lot and the transition to 3D etc but NV showed that no, the problem was them. Unforgivable!
It was a zombie franchise before the buyout.
>3d fallout that really understood what fallout was actually about
This is the biggest crock of shit, FO3 was more like 1 and 2 in aesthetics, story, pacing, world, and scope than FONV ever was, and FONV straight up retconned the shit out of FO1 and partially FO2. People who spout the "classic authenticity" aspect of Fallout New Vegas had barely played any Fallout.
Fallout New Vegas literally showed the NCR was bursting apart at the seams. Even a Courier siding with NCR ending wasn't going to solve the NCR's big problems. NCR died when Tandi did.
>FO3 was more like 1 and 2 in aesthetics, story, pacing, world, and scope than FONV ever was
I'm going to stop you especially on scope. 3 doesn't go outside Washington except for DLCs like spaceship. The previous ones covered way more geographical area.
I played Classic Fallout and you are full of it.
>>>>>>FO3 was more like 1 and 2 in aesthetics, story, pacing, world, and scope than FONV ever was, and FONV straight up retconned the shit out of FO1 and partially FO2.
>FO 1 and 2 sees post apocalypse having functional but spread out limited societies/towns etc New Reno, The hub
>FO3 half ass rehashes waterchip plot with geck
Also how is fallout 3 more aesthetically "more like 1 and 2" when fallout new vegas literally used fallout 3's existing assets? And what did Fallout New Vegas retcon?
>Also how is fallout 3 more aesthetically "more like 1 and 2"
I think he means 3 had more of the grungy gothic/art deco architecture from the first games, which isn't present in most of Vegas. I don't think it's much of a detraction though, they're completely different types of places. One's a huge urban center, the most prestigious in the country, and the other is a resort city without much development outside of its immediate vicinity. They'd both want to look impressive in different ways.
don't care, todd doesn't get to decide canon
who makes real furniture like that IRL
Blackwood but he's going out of business
why?
Out of the 8 million redditers who said they would totally buy something like that only 10 did.
Many such cases.
daaamn that's crazy. But I don't think that's the case. He was the sole supplier of wood furtniture and too many people were buying it. He's lying if he says no one bought it. He's probably just money laundering.
he's probably an old dude wanting to retire he's also not the only one, there's this:
https://allamericangunstocks.weebly.com/ar-15-wood-stocks.html?
>pic not related, I think it's blackwoods
OT but I'll probably get better answers here than PrepHole, so do any of these games let you load different shells into shotguns? Shot, slugs, even meme shit like dragon's breath?
Yes, New Vegas lets you turn a 12g into a jack of all trades with regular shot, 000 Buck, Pulse shot to disable electronics, slugs, beanbag rounds to knock people out, Plasma slugs, Flechettes for armor, Coin Shot that also pierces armor and Dragon's Breath.
I might be forgetting one loading but I'm pretty sure this is all of them.
For it's distinguished service in adapting FO3's atrocious gunplay and feel into something usable, everything that was cool about it got shitcanned in FO4
Sweeet, thanks!
Only New Vegas lets you do that.
Fallout New Vegas is the only one in the base game that has varying ammo types like HP or subbing 5.56 for .233, with the GRA DLC adding more unique stuff like dragon breath shells or explosive 50 cal
Fo1&2 had AP and HP as well.
12 ga. in New Vegas literally has the most ammo subtypes in the game, and with handloader it has even more.
fallout new Vegas does. if you level repair, guns, and survival you get some dirty perk synergies.
shotgun surgeon (bonus shotgun damage and unlocks some ammo crafting recipes), cowboy (any lever action gets bonus damage and accuracy), and other survival perks all stack together.
a 20 gauge shotgun becomes the most powerful weapon in the game, you don't even need to aim. just fire from the hip and saturate everything in the cone of fire with lead. with slugs it's basically a sniper. the 20 also has the largest variety of ammo types in the game.
I used the 20 gauge and la longue carabine (unique scoped .357 lever action) together until I realised that I actually didn't need a scoped weapon.
you will need a few mods to keep the game stable if you buy it on steam. for some fricking reason the steam copy doesn't have the patch to stop it using more than 2GB of RAM and the game will crash, so you'll need to download or write a memory buffer patch (it's like two lines you just copy and paste into the game's data directory).
Tactics and New Vegas
Wrong, Fallout 1,2 and Tactics all have ammo variants.
1 and 2 together have 10mm,5mm,.44, had AP, HP and FMJ, HE and AP rockets,
Tactics has .44 and 9mm with AP,JHP and Ball, 4 rocket types, HE,AP,EMP and Sabot, 5 shotgun shell types, Buck, Slug, Rubber, EMP and flechette and the best stuff in the game .50 cal Ball and .50 DU incase you want something really dead
All those ammo types they couldn't be fricked to bring back for 4 but replace them with stupid ass "gun upgrades"
Stop being a fricking baby, you dont even LIKE those games
God why do people even watch TV. I hate you all
Oh you like New Vegas more than Fallout 4? That game is longer part of the Fallout universe.
Since NV and the DLC was the best part of the modern fallout universe after the originals
>That game is longer part of the Fallout universe.
Fricking awesome, that means Todd can't rape it and ruin it. NV is forever preserved from his predations, a shining israeliteel of a better timeline.
Neither is the best Clone Wars, that doesn't mean it's less good, it just makes the canon shittier
Anakin vs Ventress is still the best cartoon fight.
When did Shaggy become a Jedi?
Years before Saiyanhood
But the third movie makes no sense without the Tartakovsky series. Without all the buildup and narrative development from the series, it becomes even more nonsensical.
Todd won
>just straight up wearing a FAST helmet and a plate carrier despite all the weapons shown in the nu-Fallout games and this show being either Fuddbait or milsurp stuff prior to the 50s
huh?
Costuming is shit. All the Enclave soldiers were wearing leather-nazi fetish shit with Soviet helmets.
Sounds kino.
>tfw all gun gfs are taken already
Are they meant to be forces for anyone in particular? Or is this just the famed Bethesda-favourite 'raiders'?
>those are NCR remnants, guarding the last NCR HQ (a single building) who are now little better than a raider gang and led by a strong black woman who get wiped out the Eastern BOS (there is no Western BOS)
>they're remnants because a cryogenically frozen Vault Tec exec from before the war nuked Shady Sands 5 years before New Vegas took place, destroying the NCR
Wtf? That sounds awful.
Why do they take on an IP just to rape it.
The reason you buy someone's IP is precisely to rape it.
Apparently there's some corporate trickery that makes it profitable
What?
They're what?
Good fricking lord. I honestly find it funny the amount of spite that Beth and co seem to have towards anyone that doesn't like their version of the setting. They had to go out of their way to write something like that.
Team BoS blasting off again.
>Team BoS blasting off again.
Underrated.
Do they not understand that Shady Sands is not the only settlement in the NCR?
Shady is the political impetus of NCR, though, so if it's gone it'd probably star falling apart.
>they're remnants because a cryogenically frozen Vault Tec exec from before the war nuked Shady Sands 5 years before New Vegas took place, destroying the NCR
Literally why?
Incompetent writers need a clean slate setting so they can drop their generic non-specific "story" into it.
I mean for in terms of the character himself. Literally why would a random Vault Tec exec decide to nuke the most successful group from the Vaults post-Enclave?
Because the new trend of trying to pin the entire war on Vault-Tec who supposedly launched nukes first instead of the usually agreed upon Chinese kick off
>capitalism bad
>communism good
Why the frick would they want to nuke the world? Obliterating 95% of your customer base in atomic hellfire doesn't sound good for your bottom line, tbh. Prolonging the threat of war and indefinitely squeezing out those lucrative government and defense contracts [while cutting every corner imaginable, it's not like people are ACTUALLY going to live in those vaults, right?] seems like the more lucrative move.
That's why that is the dumbest theory in all of fallout to gain traction.
God forbid the nuclear power who is now having their mainland invaded resort to nukes. But nope it's a company who only makes money because of the implied nuclear war threat.
But like I said it's obviously trying to keep the Chinese market open by not getting your game banned.
>But like I said it's obviously trying to keep the Chinese market open by not getting your game banned.
Yeah this is one of the big, fundamental differences between big corp movie/TV/game IP exploitation vs the old days. Of course everyone wanted to sell enough copies of games to make some money or you go out of business, but people also wanted to make awesome fun stuff and catering to niches or what the creators themselves liked was fine. Shit aimed to strike a balance between commercial reality and creativity, and in a market with a lot less polarization, politicization, no social media, powerful free speech protections, not much attention from the mainstream period (PC games were still weird and "nerds" subject to mockery) really. Now everything has to be made for absolute profit maximization and with an eye towards not offending anyone too powerful.
>Why the frick would they want to nuke the world? Obliterating 95% of your customer base in atomic hellfire doesn't sound good for your bottom line,
Because Capitalism is the greatest of evils.
Consider the following: the vaults were originally designed for space. The experiments in each vault were to determine the ideal way to ensure humanity could survive a multi-generational trip to another star system. Nobody knows why they pulled the trigger seemingly early, maybe they had a change of heart once they started manufacturing nukes too.
The original writters have said several times they will never say who fired first because it makes no difference to the outcome.
Anywhere you read chinks fired first is Todshit.
They did say who fired first in FO2
>In an interview in October 2022, when asked who started the Great War, Leonard Boyarsky stated that he thought it should not really matter who started it.
>In an October 2023 interview, Tim Cain said China was the one who fired the first nuclear missile
I didn't know about the second more recent interview but IIRC it's not said in any Black Isle Studios / Obsidian games.
I refunded FO:4 after 15 minutes and never bothered with 76 so have no idea about them.
Tims version is that China found out about the FEV and told the US to stop and the US basically said make me
Right, if you look at the kind of shit involved with FEV, or hell all sorts of other weapon projects, yeah technically they weren't "nuclear missiles" but it was definitely WMD-level threat.
It's even more moronic Bethesda pushes "uh VALTEK BEHIND IT CAPITALISM ILLUMINATI" shit given their literal most recent game has using US nuclear weapons against the US to contain a threat generated by a US government megalomaniac as a big event. Like, how would you square that with "Chinese wouldn't have good reason to shoot too".
>I refunded FO:4 after 15 minutes and never bothered with 76 so have no idea about them.
FO4 heavily hints that Vault Tec were the ones to push for the bombs to be dropped with it all having been done by Vault Tec agents who "faked" china sending nukes over to the US, iirc
The idea of the Great War having been anybody's evil plan is so fricking moronic I can't believe that Beth keep trying to make it one. First it was the ayys, now it's fricking Vault-Tec I guess.
In F2 I think the Enclave president implies it was China, but I'd take that with a grain of salt myself.
>The idea of the Great War having been anybody's evil plan is so fricking moronic I can't believe that Beth keep trying to make it one.
This. Frick I hate ZE CONSPIRACY shit so much. It's realistic, extremely common in history, and I'd argue far more terrifying to just have everyone stumble into a doom situation due to institutional inertia and bubble thinking/loss of perspective, short term incentives, etc.
>In F2 I think the Enclave president implies it was China, but I'd take that with a grain of salt myself.
I mean, my recollection is yeah they said it was China but that the situation was so shit and the US was so aggressive and doing shit stuff that it honestly makes no real difference. US was aggressively monopolizing resources and doing all sorts of super high tech development in horrendously unethical ways like mass human experimentation. Even if FO Old World US was superior to the Chinese (which definitely is never covered in detail, we really don't know anything much about the rest of the planet beyond propaganda) specifically US leadership was still full of monsters and corpocracy, military-industrial-complex with the limiters off even harder. Plenty of US leadership and officers still had genuine ideals but it'd still be totally understandable if the Chinese felt their backs were against the wall.
Or just had something go wrong, same as we almost did IRL a number of times when early warning systems claimed there was an incoming strike or something. There's probably timelines where the USSR did in fact launch first due to system errors or low level situations and kick off the escalation ladder. The 83 false alarm that Stanislav Petrov stopped and the near use of a nuclear torpedo during the Cuban missile crisis are both famous ones but there were others on both sides, and probably some we don't know about still.
>There's probably timelines where the USSR did in fact launch first due to system errors or low level situations and kick off the escalation ladder.
For sure, we have had so many close calls it's not funny. Even something as stupid as the accidental drop where 3 out of 4 safeties failed over the US, if the flash sats saw it I don't think anyone would wait for confirmation it was a Soviet bomb before firing.
>if the flash sats saw it I don't think anyone would wait for confirmation it was a Soviet bomb before firing.
Worse than that really. Part of the truly scary part early on (before close calls made US and Soviet command start seriously tightening up launch control) was that it wouldn't take everyone waiting for confirmation, it'd take just one or two not waiting. There was strong bias towards not letting procedures get in the way if it was really needed and avoiding decapitation attacks, which meant much more decentralized options. There was no red phone hotline for rapid direct top level communication until after the CMC, nor a lot of the other options to help figure stuff out in minutes. I think in that accidental drop top US command might well have waited, because the location would have been all wrong and weird, plus zero missile launch detection at all. But would every single launch operator everywhere?
The whole system was a black comedy, hopefully we don't decide tensions are high enough to ever let it get that fricked again.
I remember a few years ago it leaked that for a few decades the launch codes were all 000000000 because command was worried about a typo stopping a launch.
>how many people yall want left on the planet after this general?
000000000
Fallout already contains much better critiques of corporate America and its interests running roughshod over the people in the prelude to the apocalypse, so it doesn't even serve a function in letting them write about ideas that aren't already present.
For as much as Bethesda love to overuse 'war never changes', they really don't get it. Human nature is the point. We drove ourselves to the brink of extinction and we're still doing the same shit afterwards. Making the world instead the victim of a cabal or conspiracy so critically defangs everything, even their own stories.
Agreed entirely. It's a really shitty, boring story approach in most cases.
In one interview, Sawyer or Avellone mentioned that's why the Legion doesn't need to be as grey, way more black, morally. There's parts to human nature which are just freaking awful.
>This. Frick I hate ZE CONSPIRACY shit so much.
It is a conspiracy you idiot. The shadowy cabal exists in the Fallout universe.
You're right it doesn't change the outcome but it can change lore entries.
China is the only logical one to drop first.
>logic
>fallout
Frick you I'm autistic
>Anywhere you read chinks fired first is Todshit.
Cain said China did it you secondary
Because the entirety primary objective for a lot of Vault-Tec higher-ups was to straight up destroy any kind of civilization they themselves didn’t create. That’s why they started the war to begin with
because frick new vegas, but more importantly capitalism is le bad.
What the frick
Why didn't they just get a PASGT/MICH and FAL when both would most likely be not only easier to acquire for filming over a FAST helmet and RPD but also actually lore accurate?
I think the RPD is probably meant to be a stand-in for the Chinese Assault Rifle
The problem is that the CAR was so prevalent in DC because it was full of Chinese invaders pre-war
It's really insulting that in a West Coast game they haven't shown a single AK-112, Rangemaster or Service Rifle
I mean if they wanted to use a Bethesda/East coast weapon out of spite they could have used a G3 or Cetme. An RPD is just fricking lazy.
I dont really mind. A lot of the early sprites were kinda ambiguous and up to interpretation, so nobody would be pleased. Look at the arguments that happen over whether the 10mm pistol was a revolver or not. My expectation is they would either make it a modern AK with a ribbed wooden handguard, which I could certainly understand but it would be bland as frick and upset the lore purists; or they would do it exactly to what the sprite was; which would annoy most people because its clearly not an AK and annoy tactical spergs (which is most of the PC fanbase, considering the modern guns that the most popular modlists include) because its just a dumb design with its receiver held together with rope and no magazine. So IMO its for the best if they just leave it untouched.
>here's your NCR trooper bro
i hope this doesn't get another season. the plot is shit, the lore is schizophrenic, and the writers went to the frontier school of inserting your fetishes into creative works.
>your fetishes into creative works.
When you see that weird naked pregnancy monster scene you just knew some writers went on /d/
>pregnancy fetish scene
I will now watch your series.
The morons are already singing its praises all over the net.
They even got the politically motivated "movie critics" on their side.
Expect a lot of posts about how nobody liked the original lore and how FO4 is the only thing that matters.
Holy shit this looks like a halfassed Fallout airsoft larp
Did some youtuber make a fan movie or something? I keep seeing blurbs about a show or some shit.
Amazon did.
Apparently Amazon made a Fallout show and it is infinitely worse than the fan made one.
Fallout 2 had the Desert Eagle, P90, G11, FAL, M60, AT4, CAWS and Jackhammer
AT4? You mean the recoilless rifle? That definitely wasn't there.
yes?
What makes this utterly inexcusable, and bafflingly moronic to me is that they already made real suits of combat armor for the live action intro to Fallout 4. They've shown they can make decent props even just for a 5 second shot during the intro sequence that everyone just skips after their first time watching it, but completely half-assed it for an actual TV show.
Without commenting on the show's quality (I haven't seen it), I'm going to say that there is a very big difference between designing a costume for three scenes, of which one is a guy in partial costume sitting down (which was probably a separate costume all together), one was a guy standing still, and another was a short walking scene, and one that can stand up to extensive use. It's entirely possible that the FO4 prop armor can't be used for anything other than slowly walking forward in a straight line while holding a gun prop still.
They build a full suit props for the Iron Man films that only only appear in a few shots because their limited range of motion, strain on the performers, and time spent getting into, and out of it made them only workable for select scenes. And that's before you get into things like budget, shooting schedules, costumer and prop workloads, and studio dictates. And before anyone things I'm excusing anything from the show, I'm again saying I haven't seen it. I'm just trying to point out that what you get on screen is often driven by a variety of limiting factors behind the scenes.
The guy standing next to him is literally wearing a game-accurate combat armor helmet
all the budget got used up on brotherhood of steel power armor, vertibirds and lucy's big butt.
how can noncanon games retcon canon ones anon
Fallout fans..... I......
>those tiny ass boosters
>flying around like a fricking fairy
Gotta have the "goofy flying scene". Ahh, what a staple. I bet the audiences will just cackle uncontrollably! So fresh, so unique. What a great contribution to the fallout series. A Black person that steals power armor.
>two ton suit is able to propelled and hovering the air from jet pack
>200lb max ghoul is able to yank said ironman reject off course
Good to know Bethesda still can’t into physics after all these years
The cable to hooked up to a hitch and bolted down.
every single time I hear that "x video game title tv series has been announced" I take it as a sad joke but in the past 10 years I just shrug and wait for it to wind up here and be a laughing stalk.
>laughing stalk
dipshit chud
>not knowing a common phrase
sadly, people like you are a diamond dozen
>They fly now(tm)?
>Solid steel armor hitting an aluminum fuselage plops into it like a sack of meat
WTF is this? They already had jetpacks that kinda-sorta worked within the context of the games. Now those puny arm jets are somehow letting this guy fly like a hummingbird?
The director saw Iron Man as a kid and thought those would look cool.
why the frick is he flying away in the first place?
he's in a suit of power armor getting shot at by someone with a handgun. you're telling me he can't just menacingly walk towards the guy before grabbing him with one hand and crushing his entire skull or something?
The guy drove a knife into an armor gap near the visor to damage the electronics. He knows the suits vulnerabilities for backstory reasons
Yep, but George Lucas retcons the IP every time someone does it better, which is how TCW came to be
Yep, they're little gyrojets
So did Rings of Power, but that shit never got a second season
>The guy drove a knife into an armor gap near the visor to damage the electronics. He knows the suits vulnerabilities for backstory reasons
I see, thanks anon
tbh I kind of got a plr because it looked like something from fallout lel
Still my favorite obnoxious fungun
Have you tried it Olympic shooting style
no but I put a beta c mag on it for shits and/or giggles
Rings of Power szn 2 is in production tbh but I hope it leads to some good medieval weapon threads because it won't lead to good television
what is that pistol even shooting, I saw a picture of the projectile and it looked like it had fins
Ummmm
The A10 School of Missing Your Target
Is that Ben from Lost?
did they cgi the impacts
omfg the debris are literally getting deleted on screen like in fricking 300
LMFAOOO
Can't tell if it has one single barrel in the middle (in which case why is it spinning?) or if there's multiple smaller caliber barrels also surrounding it for some reason.
It is one barrel gattling gun... yes, they are this fricking stupid
>in which case why is it spinning?
Air-cooled, you see. It's like a mechanically more complicated and stupid Lewis gun.
Apparently the show runners farmed out weapon design back to Bethesda
what's the point of the mini gun if it can't fire rapidly and misses in a brief window
>oh no! A mini gun turret with military targeting software!
>quickly! We must walk at a brisk pace to escape!
Total garbage
he's actually moving at the speed of sound, you see. he injected fev and gained super powers!
This could be a callout to FO4 turrets that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
the world seems to work with video game logic with stim packs shown to fix everything
The last series I saw that made a reference to the game being dogshit was Cyberpunk Edgerunners. And that was a joke about the GTA-like notoriety system spawning cops right on top of you right before homie-Kamina, the mentor to David Cyberpunk, tragically died during an outburst of cyberpsychosis.
>4’ wide cement pillar right behind him with plenty of cover
>walk through mini-gun fire instead
Going by the abysmal showing of that turret maybe it’s safer to stand directly in front of it though…
fallout 4 was a huge disappointment, it was the end of the party for Bethesda who's great days ended with the Xbox 360. They ha a good run though and Fallout 3 and its DLCs, Skyrim, Fallout NV, Oblivion and Morrowind are great games.That being said guns in video games in the vast majority have nothing to do with actually weapon or guns at all anymore than horses in video games have to do with actual horses. Skyrim does not teach you to ride horses or anything about them for example.
Video games can be relevant to weapons for example flight simulators or tactics instruction but fallout three has nothing to do with that. What's really aggrivating is that OPs post is part of a spam viral marketing campaign for an amazon streamed TV show of little interest, even to people who played the game and absolutely inappropriate here. As with Amazons previous forced meme marketing campaign for the atrocious 'Rings of power' insult to JRR Tolkien, Amazon seems determined to just spear its stinking shit unwanted all over the internet because, hey jeff bezos amirite? Why the frick do marketing and PR companies think they are above any codes or practices of decent behavior and live in sewers of spyware, spam and insult to the very consumers they are ultimately funded by? So in conclusion OP. Frick off. Take your shitty nufeminism, forced interracial amazon thrash and frick off and die. Take your marketing company and frick off and die. Take your shit thread and frick off and die you cancerous vermin.
>Fallout 3 and its DLCs, Skyrim... Oblivion... are great games
Frick you and your shit taste anon.
c-country roads t-take m-me ho-home... ;_;
yeah i know i should have no hopes for great old IPs avoiding being raped ever but it still hurts
none of this shit bothers me once I accepted that fictional settings are made up by nerds and stuff being canon or not doesn't matter
None of this shit bothers me, because i know the series went to shit starting with Fallout 2. No, just because New Vegas was better than the deluge of diarrhea that preceded it doesn't make it good.
>New Vegas
>Not good
why
Don't get me wrong, it ain't bad. John Gonzalez did as good a job trying to salvage the series as anyone could, and i like the fact that the evil faction aka the NCR is actually fleshed out and well realized, but the legion is completely half-baked and silly and should probably just have been cut from the game.
Legion was a target of many cuts because of time limits but they are ideologically and logically sound.
Wrong. Caesar and Joshua Graham are cool characters and 110% right about the NCR, but the legion as a whole is a complete fricking clusterfrick of nonsensical worldbuilding and half-baked ideas.
>he fell for the NCR propaganda
Keep licking that boot, patsy. Reminder that chief Hanlon explicitly tells you that the NCR is corrupt, incompetent, evil, and authoritarian. Reminder that every single character that isn't a bought and paid for NCR supporter has the exact same read on the NCR. Reminder that the NCR intentionally leaves it's own citizens stranded in Freeside to cause friction with the locals so they can swoop in with their "freeside relief effort" and gain control of Freeside, and Pacer did nothing wrong. Reminder that all the NCR leadership are tagged as evil karma characters.
While I had fun exploring all the various options, I still think Mr House with Good Karma is the best most satisfying ending and best for that future overall.
>evil, and authoritarian
he doesn't
>corrupt, incompetent
like any government today
>every single character that isn't a bought and paid for NCR supporter has the exact same read on the NCR.
they criticize it, like you would criticize your own government. every other faction is some kind of military authority or autocracy.
>nothing but denial, whataboutism and copium
The NCR capital is literally an open air concentration camp with police around every corner ready to blast your ass for merely carrying a weapon. Caesar explicitly tells you he created the legion because the NCR went to complete shit after it lost it's "queen" (aka it's dictator) Tandi, and just completely devolved into a shitshow kleptocracy, and his goal is to conquer it with his legion of savages so he can rise to power and gain the resources to educate his legion of savages, while using his vast military to wipe out the raider gangs the NCR leadership is too corrupt/incompetent to deal with.
I don't remember him ever thinking that he can conquer the entire NCR, he simply seeks to put both systems under pressure and see which one works, the Hegelian Dialectics.
>Caesar explicitly tells you
>Taking a genocidal tyrant LARPing his own fantasy interpretation of Rome at his word
LMAO.
>muh wiping out the raider gangs
This is even funnier, considering his "army" is nothing more than a particularily large and brutal raider gang. Of course he's gonna want to get rid of the competition.
He is well aware of what he is doing, he isn't a larper.
Next time you play, actually listen to him.
>NCR
Trying to revive pre-war America, when pre-war America is what caused the war. So far, instead of democracy, they've mostly managed to revive capitalist corruption.
>Legion
Bunch of murderous, sadistic raiders trying to draw legitimacy from a veneer of historical re-enactment. If that's all you want from a civilization, the Great Khans already got one, with fewer crucifixions.
>House
Completely uninterested in governing anything outside the Las Vegas Strip. Doesn't give a frick about Freeside, and certainly not the wasteland outside. Letting him rule is a legitimate choice, if you like the wasteland and want it to remain an uncivilized, anarchic wilderness for the indefinite future.
>when pre-war America is what caused the war.
CHINA caused the war
OK, President Richardson
>intentionally displaces its own citizens for future casual belli for land grabs
>relies on conscripted human wave tactics
>very corrupt, run by Brahmin Baron oligarchs, PMCs
>reliant on technology from a previous civilization they are a cargo cult of
>years into Special Mojave Military Operation
NCR is literally just modern Russia
>Special Mojave Military Operation
jej
>evil faction
>not the Legion
Poor bait, anon.
NTA
Would they be the evil faction to a Roman?
>Would they be the evil faction to a Roman?
I don't know if evil is the right word, but when you compare them to the NCR who managed to have a relatively successful nation-state for a century at this point where civilisation was legitimately progressing, as opposed to the Legion who are essentially a slightly better organised raider gang and are pretty much immediately going to collapse into civil war as soon as Caesar carks it. I think the more logical minds of the Roman Empire would probably support the NCR if they could comprehend the history behind the two. Just because Caesar has a surface level knowledge of Rome and themes his fledgling united tribe under those old ideas, doesn't mean it actually is Rome.
When I asked that question, I was implying that humanity has an ever shifting moral compass and there would be some correction if a nuke went off near you.
As for what you said about what would Romans think about the Legion, I do not think you are correct, Romans, middle and late Republice and early Empire, would see Legion as the just and strong faction that is led by a capable and intelligent leader against a decrepit state burdened by its own bureaucracy.
It is basically Hellas vs Roma, and Romans didn't prefer Greeks over Romans.
>as opposed to the Legion who are essentially a slightly better organised raider gang and are pretty much immediately going to collapse into civil war as soon as Caesar carks it.
You have a wrong impression on this faction.
They are quite a bit larger than the NCR, controlling more land and most likely more people than the NCR, they field a larger military that is drilled better than that of the NCR, they have a completely streamlined bureaucratic system based on brutal meritocracy or strength.
The only reason why the NCR is even managing to hold on against the Legion is because of their technology.
Yeah, the Legion definitely, absolutely is not Roman it's very clearly modeled on Attila the Hun and the Hunnic Empire, with the Rome motif being an ironic parody. And the outcome for the Legion as you say
>and are pretty much immediately going to collapse into civil war as soon as Caesar carks it
is exactly what happened IRL. It was a work of one man, albeit an impressive one, but with no institutional sustainability which is something the Romans had in spades.
Structurally the legion has more in common with the Hellinstic Kingdoms then it does with the republic, power concentration in very few that lacks a system for top leadership replacement in case of death. The Republic can survive losing Consular armies and the consuls as they have an entire class ready to take there place and men of equal caliber the lost military, the Kingdom losing the Royal army and King is quite fricked comparatively.
Caesar himself is aware that the Legion is closer to Gaul tribes than Rome in structure. This is part of why he's rushing to achieve his vision in his lifetime. The biggest thing about offing Caesar IMO is it kills his vision. The Legion is not his desired state and could never become said vision without Caesar. Even winning Hoover Dam doesn't change that if Caesar dies.
Depends of which Roman and during which period, but probably they would count as categorically evil for most educated Romans during most of Rome's history.
Vanilla FONV was atrocious. All the "mechanic improvements" of the game systems were incomplete or broken: karma was actually worse than in FO3, reputation system was decent but again, half-assed and a big early faction wasn't even put in.
The DT system is half broken and not even in the right calculation order as the classic games were; after the DR calculations, so it isn''t even similar to how it operates in the classic games.
The skills systems weren't improved at all from FO3, and perhaps even made worse in FONV; dialogue checks are mostly worse in FONV because the system of incremental growth dealing with absolute thresholds is moronic; the classic games had incrimental skills but also all of the action evaluations were evaluated incrimentally, and with several other variables at play, including RNG, and SPECIALs; something the FO3/NV system entirely lacks.. Charisma has no value or influence in dialogue checks which is moronic.
The world map design is laid out like a fricking MMO with it's high-population sudden threat distribution between empty land. Even outside of restrictive areas for plot reasons, like the Quarry and Cazadores north of Goodsprings to limit the player's options, they have reasons for the threat populations; but other places it's just bad, and MMO style for farming mobs. Like the basin Hwy95 goes through south of Novac, there are no Golden Geckos roaming around despite the high populations just lurking around at a couple points of interest. There is little to no roaming even though the dialogue mentions the region is extremely transient. Almost no wasteland encounters. MMO population distribution.
And the worst aspect of vanilla FONV: complete spatial inconsistency between locations, especially exterior and interior. First noticeable even at Doc Mitchell's house, Primm and Nipton with egregious examples, but it continues through the world.
YUP is essential for FONV.
18 months.
Everyone still talks about FNV while nobody talks about FO3 or FO4.
>Everyone still talks about FNV while nobody talks about FO3 or FO4.
Yeah this is goes to the heart of it. The true sound of failure over time isn't criticism, but silence. Even when people criticize something, they have to at least give enough of a shit to bother doing so. There has to be some kernel of something they care about. Shitty IP rape can get some rage for awhile but then it vanishes away amongst the endless sea of mediocrity. Whereas flawed but compelling stuff provokes thinking and arguments for years or decades after.
FNV still occupies enough headspace that people still remember the problems and the mods that helped, and someone cared to write mods for it, etc. People remember the factions and stories even if they disagree about it. Even the expansions were cool and part of a pretty big vision of the arc of the Courier's life. FO4 has already faded away for me.
Yeah, pretty much.
FNV reminds me of Mass Effect to a large extent, soo much potential wasted beyond repair, such a sad thing, unleast FNV got the story down as they wanted it, MEOT didn't even get that.
>Mass Effect
>soo much potential wasted beyond repair
Oh God, don't remind me...
I pirated ME3 and STILL wanted to ask for a refund
It isn't ME3's fault, it was completely Drew Karpyshyn's fault when he was writing ME1.
He never bothered to figure out how the franchise would go on, basically jist saying "we will figure it out when we get there", this is the reason why ME2 has nothing to do with anything and why Mac Walters had such a difficult time.
Upon replaying the series in the LE, I somehow ended up with ME3 competing with 1 as my favourite and 2 a distant third.
I had to turn in my ME3 hater card from back in the day and everything.
There's a certain beauty to seeing them in the context of something other than a period piece.
Most people over the years have started understanding that ME3 is probably the best game in the series right up until that God forsaken ending of its.
ME1 was too janky, not just in gameplay but almost everything they did, except cinematics I guess, ME1 is peak in this one.
ME2 is a generic, console oriented copy of every other TPS cover shooter from its days with only good parts of it being the missions, characterisation of almost every NPC and the ending.
ME3 is fenomenal in everything that was actually finished.
They could have a perfect remake if they just fixed the ending and switched the main storylines of ME2 and ME1, so official mission to find colonists first and destroying the shrimp with the terrorists followed into me3.
2 feels like a really bad offender in that early 2010's 'please take me seriously dad' phase that story-driven western games were going through.
Once I got over the fact that really, there was never going to be an ME3 that could cash the cheque that ME1 wrote it and could take the game they made more on its own terms, I really loved a lot of what it did. Tonally in particular, I think they do a great job of looking at how different people cope and keep functioning in the face of complete despair. How it brings out the worst in some, but the best in a lot of others.
The moment-to-moment is also genuinely fantastic. Easily better than most dedicated shooters on the engine.
Yes, that's why I blame Drew more than Mac.
Like, who could wrap up the narrative that was pushed by ME1 but then mothballed by ME2(because they knew they will have major issues with it so they just left it for the frickers that would be working on ME3).
Mac tried and got a good part of the mess together but EA coming down and literally splitting their team down the middle so the other half can add the fricking multiplayer to a ME game really fricked them over.
I hope MS buys EA.
Same, if ME3 had had just six more months of development time it would have been a nearly perfect game. If the game had launched with From Ashes, Leviathan, and the assault on Palavan arc that was cut. Then toss in two more fully fledged DLCs and all the bug fixes and ending enhancements 6 more months would have produced and you would have been nearly perfect. As it stands however it’s only aged like fine wine honestly.
>karma was actually worse than in FO3
NV has karma?
Yeah, and to be fair it was pretty shit in FNV. It was almost a pain in the ass to have anything other than good karma in NV because you got a shit load of good karma for killing raiders and they were everywhere.
Did the Karma actually do anything in NV?
I thought it was a vestigial left over from 3 and the reputation system filling in anywhere Karma would've been used.
I mostly just remember liking the boomers because explosives and airplanes are cool. Always wanted to explore what became of them after the 2nd Battle of Hover dam if you get their support.
Off the top of my head it altered the ending slides you got, but can't really think of anything mechanical.
I think there were still perks that related to it, but that was about it.
Like you said, they deliberately gutted the system and had reputation take its place for how NPCs react to you.
>he says this when New Vegas with patches is actually more stable on modern OS than normal Fallout 3
>when the best way to play Fallout 3 these days is via Tale of Two Wastelands with New Vegas.
>anon did not read the first fricking word of the post he's replying to
moron
>anon did not read the first fricking word
>Vanilla
>he doesn't know about vanilla 3
I mean, the morally gray thing was a neat novelty, but thinking about it, there really is no possible way for a good ending.
>NCR is fricked win or lose. It adopted the very flaws of the old United States and is now exhausting what little resources people need to survive. The only person that knew how to run the place has long died of old age.
>Edward Sallow has spent too much time huffing his own ass and is dealing with a tumor in his head, to build the Legion beyond the military and cult of personality. He's expecting the conquest of the NCR would somehow fill in the gaps he neglected as Caesar, and not be utterly gutted by his barbarian horde. His only successor is nothing more than a savage lunatic made only for war, and that's if the other warlords don't take what the can snatch if things fall apart.
>House is expecting the post-nuclear population to fall in line and become cogs in his resurrected corporate empire. He's constantly gambling his holdings in the Vegas area, never truly micromanage, and appears to have no redundancies, or even anyone aside from securitrons and the player character to enact his plans. His dreams of interstellar travel are just that, mere dreams, and even if that did happen, it's a guarantee only he and the elite of the new world is going up, and everyone else that built the ships would be left behind.
>Yes Man is just a frick you for everything, and just an excuse to go full anarchy.
It had good writing but was shit
>18 months
What are you talking about about? They Do you mean, they decided they wanted to work on the project 18 months then release it, weren't good enough to build a good game in that time, then decided to stick to the schedule and released their inferior game rather than delay?
Because that's all true but it's not really relevant, the game's just not great no matter how much time they spent.
I think he means how long they took.
pregnant ncr trooper?
I'm curious why the Brotherhood isn't shown tanking as hard in most of Fallout. Yes, they are the beloved poster child but rarely are they doing bad. NV is one of the straightforward cases because 3 is a splinter group estranged from the others with Outcasts protesting they've deviated too hard. If even if the underequipped 3 Brotherhood were wiped out, the Brotherhood as a whole doesn't lose much.
I guess there's just chapters everywhere. They already practically own the Capial Wasteland.
Because the point of their appearances in 2 and NV was to prove that you have to change with the times. You can't get your way by just being big and strong, you need to branch out and form a nation to succeed or else you'll be left in the dust as the world moves on. They hide in their NEETbunkers seething at the NCR while any normie can pick up a plasma rifle at their nearest electronics store and suddenly have firepower on par with the Brotherhood.
With Bethesda Fallout constantly finding excuses to reset progress, the BoS can just go
>YEEEEAH, BIG AND STRONG FOREVER BABY, WOOOOOO
and win every time because they're back to being a big fish in a little pond.
>Because the point of their appearances in 2 and NV was to prove that you have to change with the times
A repeated and related sub-theme was how a kernel of truth or good intentions can become dogma which then turns individuals/groups/orgs into monsters or ineffective, as well as the risks around a "One Great Man" system. The BoS mythology that Maxson came up with was an answer to a reasonable set of problems, including the USG being raging dickbags who'd help frick up everything, depression/despair amongst his own troops/people, and a desire to try to salvage something out of a nightmare and keep it from happening again while seeking inspiration in the greatest civilizational collapses of human history (or at least the book versions of them). His ideas weren't terrible under the circumstances.
But then they turned ever more insular and single minded. Maxson died and it ended up with hereditary replacement, his son taking over and grandson joining, BoS stops taking in outside people and fresh ideas, begins losing track of its own real history. Leadership started getting deified. VD and conflict with the Master somewhat slowed this but ultimately all a recipe for stagnation.
I mean, I guess the historical parallel here is of course the church itself, monks and such really did act as important repositories of history and knowledge for centuries. But they also hoarded and warped it and built upon themselves with bureaucracy and power. Enlightenment then btfo them.
>Enlightenment
NTA but I call it the Hysteric more than Enlightenment. Not only did they invent all sorts of myths to make themselves look better, they had shit like witch hunts too. They criticize their predecessors for their weird shit but never look in the mirror for the weird shit they retained or new weird shit they do.
>They hide in their NEETbunkers seething at the NCR while any normie can pick up a plasma rifle at their nearest electronics store and suddenly have firepower on par with the Brotherhood.
This isn't true, though. It's repeatedly said - even in NV, where they're portrayed at arguably the weakest point they ever are - that Brotherhood soldiers are significantly better equipped and trained then almost any other solider, with the experience tag only losing out because the Mojave chapter has been sitting in a bunker on their asses for 5 years so none of their new replacement Paladins can have time shooting people. Every NCR who directly touches on BoS combat prowess (which, to be fair, is like one LT outside Helios) are very clear that they are extremely tough to fight. Even Caesar, who goes on a chud rant about how he thinks they're all losers, admits that Paladins are 'quite powerful'.
Their portrayed failures in FNV (and to a lesser extent their shock at the Enclave in F2) isn't there to illustrate that you MUST become a nation-state NOW, or that the Brotherhood AREN'T powerful, it's that being powerful isn't enough when you still approach the world with a mindset from a hundred years ago. Even relatively minor changes to the WBoS can easily catapult it back to being a superpower again - the point is that the western chapters are struggling to make any changes period. This is why I don't really mind them showing the EBoS slam dunking the East into submission because they're making changes to adapt to the new era they're in.
We have 0 clue how many BoS chapters are left on the west coast, or what percentage the bunkers they lost were, or if those bunker losses were even total (one of the endings in FNV has the BoS ditch hidden valley and blow it up behind them). This is entirely intentional, because they wanted to leave it open ended for the future + the BoS are the fallout version of elves. You will always have just enough to tell the story.
>You will always have just enough to tell the story.
It's that way for Enclave too. In the end, nobody's destroyed for good. I bet even the Institute will have remnants.
>This isn't true, though
It was a hyperbole. The BoS are definitely strong and well trained, but the sheer tech disparity they enjoyed before has become a lot narrower as advanced weapons and other technology proliferated outside of their control. They're not the only ones with lasers and rocket launchers now. Combined with having to fight the NCR's modern army, it's only getting harder to compete.
>it's that being powerful isn't enough when you still approach the world with a mindset from a hundred years ago.
That's what I meant. Instead of integrating into society or nationbuilding, they effectively isolated themselves into an evolutionary dead end. They can't get what they want by swinging their power armored dicks around any more, as much as they'd like to. The world changed, and they didn't allow themselves to move on with it because of their stubborn autism.
They kind've still are the best armed group in the wasteland by a long shot. Average NCR/Legion soldiers aren't that well equipped and are lightly armored. Yeah, there's energy weapons and heavy guns floating in circulation more, but they're pretty rare/expensive. They still have the firepower advantage by a long shot - it's just wasted by moronation in the top leadership who don't want to actually use it to its full potential.
I do agree that yeah, their stubborness holds them back as much as it keeps them a cohesive group. Sending everyone with new ideas halfway across the country is good for stability but not great at adapting.
>long shot twice in a row
this site has made me worse at english.
>modern army
what was shown in FNV to make you think the NCR is a modern army? the average NCR soldier is a literal mobik with 2 weeks of training who may or may not be issued armor, may or may not be issued a helmet, and may or may not be issued a weapon (let alone sufficient ammo). The hospital in forlorn hope is ripped straight out of a civil war film.
They have the occasional more advanced stuff but that's almost exclusively pre-war or salvaged off another group.
NTA but I think he means more NCR vs BoS war with better NCR people like in FO2.
we have no clue what the NCRA was equipped like previous to FNV as we never see them in any other game. they'd probably be a bit better equipped because they'd be smaller and not as corrupt/strained but i doubt it'd be anything more then assault rifles and basic mark combat armor mixed in with occasional better stuff
Modern as in they have a clear command structure, communications, logistics, and some degree of manufacturing to back it up. NV has them stretched thinner than toilet paper trying to gobble up as much land as possible at once all over the west, which is one of the biggest reasons why they're eating shit against the Legion. It doesn't help that resupply is slow as frick due to work on the rail lines coming to a halt from the powder gang revolt.
If they actually committed to the war effort all in one place, they'd be a lot more effective than the "Sturm C" shit we see in the Mojave.
the NCRA is losing because those systems are flat out falling apart like the rest of the NCR.
>clear command structure
kind've irrelevant when most of your officers are incompetent, overworked, undersupplied, or a mix of the three. this also exists in multiple other groups (even non-miltary ones) throughout the wasteland and the series in general.
>communications
they have stationary radios, yeah, but so does literally everyone else. even some tribals have those. since we only see 1 portable radio issued by the NCR (the emergency one) I think it's safe to say they're very rare and potentially pre-war.
>logistics
are ass? even disregarding the entire powder ganger issue (which was entirely the NCR's fault in the first place, it wasn't out of nowhere), they contract out literally all transport to private groups like crimson caravan, which again literally everyone can do.
>some degree of manufactoring
not countermanding this, but specifically this stuff is handmade. the only advantage they have in this is that they have a larger economic base and can kind've make more then other groups, but this is often made irrelevant through smart tactics, raids on supply lines, or other considerations (as shown with the Legion and kinda-sorta with the BoS, given they wouldn't have run out of ammunition if they weren't led into such a horrible spot by Elijah).
>trying to gobble up land
kinda true, yeah, but the mojave is the primary area of expansion where most of the resources are going to. kimball and the warhawks rose to power off of occupying it, and stay in power with the promise of annexing it fully, not to mention the appeal of annexing New Vegas and properly keeping control of Hoover Dam. there isn't another mojave-equivalent theatre they're dumping supplies into. we even see them bring up all the units they're mentioned as having wasted up until then in later levels/at hoover with the heavy troopers and veteran ranger arrival.
You weren't paying close enough attention. There is a simultaneous campaign in Baja.
>I'm curious why the Brotherhood isn't shown tanking as hard in most of Fallout. Yes, they are the beloved poster child but rarely are they doing bad. NV is one of the straightforward cases because 3 is a splinter group estranged from the others with Outcasts protesting they've deviated too hard. If even if the underequipped 3 Brotherhood were wiped out, the Brotherhood as a whole doesn't lose much.
>I guess there's just chapters everywhere. They already practically own the Capital Wasteland.
The chapter in NV is explicitly stated to be only one of the Western chapters, with each chapter having it's own bunker. But it's also said by NCR people that 3 or 4 bunkers were raided and self destructed, which is how the NCR knows to send you in to allahakbar the mojave chapter's reactor. it's not clear how many bunkers the BOS has left in the west, and it's very strange that they didn't address or mention
In fact now that I think about it, the only real mention of upper level BOS leadership in the show is "the highest clerics in the Commonwealth" which wouldn't necessarily mean the Commonwealth around Boston. In the Fallout timeline the US was split up into Commonwealths instead of states, so this could in fact be the Western BOS we see in the show with these "highest clerics in the Commonwealth" being the Southeast Commonwealth that NV and FO 1 & 2 being set in. But really that's giving Bethesda & Amazon too much credit
Can we magically trap the Brotherhood and Enclave in some magic spell that lets them duke it out forever outside this franchise? They're even in 76. We're going to have BoS vs Enclave forever.
>they fricking nuked NCR because God forbid people want to move on from living in a Mad Max shithole
I fricking hate looter shooter/survival slops and its homosexual fans
Someone please post that NV slippery slope into loving wooden guns etc meme i lost it
I entirely blame new vegas for my love of revolvers and lever action rifles. I watched westerns growing up, but it wasn't until new vegas that I really started wanting to own them.
>I watched westerns growing up, but it wasn't until new vegas that I really started wanting to own them
The same for me. Also applies to the M1 Garand, which was my favorite weapon in FNV.
PrepHole here, what's your favorite fallout song? Mine is "The house always wins"
just dropping in to say I also really like this song and appreciate you linking it anon
Video game covers are usually cringe but this one hits the spot, idk why
>they’re going to stick the Bethesda F4 artsyle
So how bad will they butcher the NCR uniform and service rifle
The funniest thing is Bethesda has refused to acknowledge FO:NV exists for ten years and then sets the series in it, I watched the last episode today and it's clear season 2 is set on the strip.
>none of the NCR homies are using Service Rifles
>they just bumrush the Brotherhood homies like chaff instead of shooting from cover like in the games
>no Rangers outside of the dad
KWAB
what is kwab
In spite of its glaring flaws, Fallout (2024) is the second best series of the year as of April
>not a high bar to clear
Fair
>it's AIDS if you played the games
Also fair
If this is the second-best series of the year so far, what's the first?
Checked, it's Shōgun! If there's a better series than this, I haven't heard of it
I'll give it to you. I have seen no webms or discussion of Shogun here, so I can say whether you're right. What I've seen of Fallout though has left me unimpressed. No big loss for me, I rarely watch shows, I'm more of a movie guy.
>more of a movie guy
Haven't been to a theatre in over 10 years, what's the best movie this year so far, Dune Pt. II?
It appears I have mislead you, gomenasai. It has been some time since I was last to the theater myself, the best recent movie that comes to the top of my head is probably Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (yes yes, I know, capeshit is gross). I've heard decent things about Dune Pt. II, but I haven't even seen the first one so I'm in no place to speak on it.
Latest Mission Impossible is the most recent new film I've watched, but it was only meh. Not awful, not like I wanted those two hours of my life back, but nothing fantastic.
>Guardians of the Galaxy 3
I've seen the previous two and feel obligated to finish what's begun. Might this weekend
>heard decent things about Dune Pt. II, but I haven't even seen the first one
Part I is more Star Wars than anything post-Rogue One and the best Space Epic of 2021, but the bar is low there too, so take that FWIW
>Latest Mission Impossible
>meh. Not awful
>but nothing fantastic
No doubt about it, it's becoming evident how the term 'mid' became a buzzword. Grade entertainment on a curve and it all approaches a middling experience. For example, I liked John Wick 4, but it didn't make me miss the theatre ¯_(ツ)_/¯
>played all the 3D fallouts
I take it the ghoul cowboy was the closest thing to a proper adaptation in spite of the somewhat shitty origin story full of miscegenation and "deconstruction"?
>give it a 7
>certainly one of the Fallouts of all time
So mid, but not boring. These days, I'm just grateful for anything that isn't boring or has a pace fricked as Stranger Things (only watched it for a certain female)
The ghoul cowboy is the best character. Lucy is a blank slate Fallout protagonist who learns to survive the Wasteland which fits the theme of the games, and Max is a whiny b***h who I'd dislike even if he wasn't also the diversity quota love interest. He's like Gaius Baltar but without the charisma and his great crime is just letting a guy die because he said mean things.
>best character
Figured
>Max is a whiny b***h
>diversity quota love interest
Lucy is also a DEI character (Māori or from some place in the pacific)
>letting a guy die because he said mean things
IIRC, Titus threatened to have him executed or otherwise ostracized (possible death sentence) for nothing
But yeah, not the worst adaptation all things considered
NTA. Dune Part II was good, however movie of the year so far was Godzilla Minus 1.
>Godzilla Minus 1
Gonna have to give this one a watch too
I'd give it a 7 having watched it and played all the 3D fallouts. It's certainly one of the Fallouts of all time.
Not watching amazon slop, so don't care.
You really should for the irony, you can watch a character called "Howard" complain about unethical corporations on a show produced by Tod and Bezos.
No.
I'm out of the loop, is online discourse still in massive overcorrection-mode over people liking new vegas for a decade?
Im not sure what you mean, people still like new vegas same as ever. The fanbase is cringe and nexus mods is full of homosexuals, but people still like the game. This show partly decanonizes it though, evidently new vegas is still a location that they will probably visit but the events of the game cant have taken place.
NTA, but the greatest tragedy of all is that F:NV will probably never get the remaster it needs without being revised by ideologues or sheer incompetence
Yes. It turns out New Vegas was actually NEVER good, Fallout was ALWAYS a grossout comedy, Vault-Tec has ALWAYS been the direct cause of the war, and that you're a whiny nerd if you care about lore in a game with talking mutants and ghouls. Stop noticing things and enjoy your slop.
Absolutely seething
I'm not mad, I'm just a little baffled by the flood of consooomerists trying to revise history to make the canon fit the show and not the other way around
ITT We see Faceboo- tier lorecucks seething
Shows decent, the only people I see complaining are raging autists who haven't watched it.
> A video message starts to play on your phone.
> White house Oval office. The dark brandon's nose powdered white. His eyes are completely bloodshot and he seems not be wearing pants.
> "My fellow Americans, Today we successfully intercepted a joint first strike against our United states. Following our MAD doctrine, the return strike has devastated the critical infrastructure of all Enemy country's and heads of state. We have accepted the surrender of the remaining governments in these areas. As of this moment, America has no enemies.
What happens next?
>What happens next?
You wake up from yet another fricked up dream, and go about your life where nothing ever happens.
I want our dreams to come true. Hunting mutated Chinese and picking off russian holdouts. Of traveling through the rubble of a tofu dredge, The old Communist buildings unfortunately lost to time and their proximity to the power structures dismantled by the bombs. But still plenty of pickings for the stalkers here.
I should remind you that picrelated is all you actually need to have while roaming the wastelands. Not those fancy ARs issued by NCR military.
3 is the worst game I have ever played and I didnt even play any other FO before it. but I didnt expect the show not to be mouthbreather shit so I don't care either way tbh
Despite liking Fallout lore, for years I thought the "Service Rifle" was called that because it was indigenously manufactured in the NCR. I figured it was easier and cheaper to use whatever shitty wood was around as opposed to producing synthetic plastics, and there were enough "canon" pre-war standard issue rifles in the game that it would be silly/redundant to add another. I still think it makes more sense given the New Vegas lore that the NCR would produce them themselves as opposed to using pre-war surplus for their entire army. Especially if the Van Graffs are able to manufacture energy weapons - the industrial processes to make those seems like it would be around the same difficulty as mass-producing normal ARs with wood furniture.
California does produce some new guns. The Gun Runners do, at least, since one of the jobs you can do for the Crimson Caravan is download complete weapon schematics from the GR's computer system which McLafferty hopes will allow the CC to break into the arms market.
My headcanon is that the NCR stumbled onto a frickheug depot full of old National Gaurd gear and used that as the basis for their standard kit, but they supplement that with refurbished/new weapons from the Runners.
I know, but the total production of the Gun Runners is sort of ambiguous. I think establishing the Service Rifle as a post-war product just makes more sense thematically and gives the player a sense of the NCR's power. It also avoids the confusion regarding what the frick the US was using for its standard-issue rifle before the war (to be fair, this is one of those things that every game represents differently and basically doesn't have a real canonical answer because there's so much conflicting evidence. Like whether power armor requires training or power cells to function)
I reinstalled the game after dropping it a few years ago and after 10 minutes it's already crashed 3 times.