Anyone running into this problem?
>Poor so can't buy a house, like many of us anons
>So, renting/leasing
>Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
>'No'
What does one do?
-Hide them under my bed? I would rather not, they wouldn't be secure and I would have to take them out sometime. Plus my state has 'safe storage' laws. if I only had a pistol maybe, but I have two rifles.
-Just keep looking for a safe-friendly place?
-Try and sweet talk the landlord?
I'm stuck here
Landlord doesn't need to know
That I have a gun safe? It's a bit visible.
is your landlord peeking under your fricking mattress and inspecting your closet?
or are we actually talking about your mother
Some of us have more than just a nerf gun and need an actual safe.
Lol all of my guns are in soft cases or leaning up against a wall.
>not just having two dozen guns laying around in random parts of your home
You are gay.
I didn't say I don't have guns stashed throughout the house, too.
But most of the long guns are locked up. I don't live on the southern border, I don't need an AR in every room, a pistol or revolver is sufficient.
you are either young and naive or are very ignorant of the rights people have regarding their domicile
also, what the frick state are you in because I think it's only TN that has a law allowing landlords to ban guns
Thats not answering the question you fricking cuck
Yes it is, my safe wouldn't conceivably fit under the bed, nor would many people's.
>Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
Why
So what? Landlord has no business in your home
>Landlord
>Your home
Black person what?
Home and house are not synonyms.
You know what fair enough
Yes. It's not your parents house. The landlord isn't allowed in the home you're paying for.
>he hasn’t heard of reentry
It's his "home" but not his "property". Tenants do have significant home rights even if they don't have property rights.
Buy a hard case and put it under the bed. This isn't that fricking difficult.
Uh why do you care what your landlord thinks of your property. You pay him to rent a place.
Because it's polite to ask if you can have a big safe? that's my view at least. idk I'm not a landlord.
>Ask
there's your mistake, you can't be told no if you never ask in the first place
no-one needs to know what property you own and what you do with it
>Plus my state has 'safe storage' laws.
if you want to comply, purchase the absolute minimum required by law and don't do a single thing more
>Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
You shouldnt have asked. Double check your lease agreement. If weapons/firearms arent mentioned, then your landlord cant do frick all about it, it doesnt matter what he says in person
Its easier to get forgiveness than permission
If it's not in your lease then do it. If it is and you signed it you're moronic. If you signed then talk to a lawyer about getting it amended because you need to be able to keep a safe to be in compliance with state law and your landlord cannot infringe on your 2A rights.
But because you're poor, try talking to them more cordially and remind them of state law.
This isn't an aquarium we're talking about, I think getting forgiveness is trickier when it's scary black rifles. Some people really don't want firearms in their household.
hm, alright. I'll look more in to my state's renting laws.
Alternatively, if he does a random inspection of your apt and asks, it's a safe for your "valuables"
>random inspection
Isn’t that illegal? Landlords have to give a 24 hour notice before they can enter your leased property
>Isn’t that illegal? Landlords have to give a 24 hour notice before they can enter your leased property
Unless it's an emergency I think this is the universal rule, maybe longer in some states (48h). You're allowed to go in for things like fire alarms, water leaks etc, but just entering and "inspecting" would be super fricking illegal. Any landlord who'd even try to claim such a thing is an butthole.
Although I suppose if you had a tenant who had caused damage before and agreed to once/twice monthly inspections as a condition of not being evicted or something, that wouldn't be random and would be fine. And a big safe wouldn't be something that could be trivially moved around and hidden, so the question would come up. But that just gets back into what's in the lease.
>Isn’t that illegal? Landlords have to give a 24 hour notice before they can enter your leased property
Unless it's an emergency I think this is the universal rule, maybe longer in some states (48h). You're allowed to go in for things like fire alarms, water leaks etc, but just entering and "inspecting" would be super fricking illegal. Any landlord who'd even try to claim such a thing is an butthole.
Lol. I always find it funny when people think this. Tenant rights vary state to state, but read you fricking lease agreement before saying stuff like this. You'd be surprised what landlords are allowed to do. I am a licensed real estate agent in the state of Texas. Here is the exact verbiage regarding this issue from the standard promulgated Texas Lease:
"Access: Before accessing the Property, Landlord or anyone authorized by Landlord will attempt to first contact
Tenant, but may enter the Property at reasonable times without notice to make repairs or to show the Property to
prospective tenants or buyers, inspectors, fire marshals, lenders, appraisers, or insurance agents. Additionally,
Landlord or anyone authorized by Landlord may peacefully enter the Property at reasonable times without first
attempting to contact Tenant and without notice to: (1) survey or review the Property's condition and take
photographs to document the condition; (2) make emergency repairs; (3) exercise a contractual or statutory lien;
(4) leave written notices; or (5) seize nonexempt property if Tenant is in default"
So at least in Texas, yes, the landlord can literally just walk into your rented house for the sake of looking around.
>and your landlord cannot infringe on your 2A rights.
This is completely wrong in general anon. Bill of Rights binds the government, not private individuals. A few states have laws explicitly prohibiting stopping people from having licensed firearms, but most don't and if they don't then it's just a matter of contract law. In the same way that your 1A rights aren't violated by signing an NDA. It's private property.
However I'd be surprised if there was an explicit provision anywhere in the lease about it, and if not you're fine, beyond catch-alls like "not interfere with other tenants or cause unreasonable noise" but that'd only apply to stuff like shooting inside, not mere possession.
this. I'm a rah rah gun rights dork but I also laugh when NRA types get all mad at private businesses banning guns. Tough luck morons, it's a free country.
Get a bed like this, and store them in it. You could even lay a safe down inside it in you wanted, and secure it to the frame. It would be enough to prevent anyone easily stealing your shit and the landlord would never know.
>Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
why ask? do you ask your landlord whether you're allowed to exercise your other rights?
If there isn't anything specific in the lease agreement specifying, I don't see why you would even need to ask. There are only like 4 states that have said anything about it specifically, but most of the time if it isn't explicitly in the lease, there's frick all they can do about it. Rad this article to get an idea of your rights in this situation and read your lease carefully.
https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-limits-can-your-landlord-put-on-gun-possession
damn my state isn't a cool state
Yeah Texas is pretty fricking awesome on a lot of things.
Thanks for posting this, though at the end there:
>According to Chern, who practices in a state where landlords expressly cannot prohibit guns, there's been no case law to tell us how this sort of situation might play out. However, a landlord could easily point to the fact that they were prohibited from banning guns as a viable defense if a tenant were to sue for damages. In states that are silent on the issue, adding firearm bans to leases could give landlords some protection in the event of a lawsuit.
WELL THAT'S FRICKING BULLSHIT. I don't see why I should face any liability in the slightest for not prohibiting people from having constitutionally protected tools in their homes. How is that not just their responsibility? Should I ban screw drivers too? What if someone stabs someone with it! I hope that's just a bit of lefty media spin at the end, and the fact that there is no case law points me to nobody ever suing over it. But it should be black and white, I ban smoking because it fricks up the property but firearms have zero inherent issues.
Well, criminally I don't think the landlord would be liable. Civilly, I'm not really sure how that would play out or of landlord liability would even be a viable theory. Under tort negligence theory there needs to be a duty that is breached that proximately causes a harm to you . . . so if you're saying that the landlord was negligent for not banning guns in their rental properties, I don't see how they have an established duty to keep their tenants safe from stray bullets, or for proximate cause how the harm would be foreseeable, and also under tort law a lot of the time a criminal act is considered legally unforeseeable and therefore breaks the proximate causation between the allegedly negligent person's act and the alleged harm. "Chern" sounds like he trying to make landlords scared to get them to push for gun control.
Yeah, it's been about 12 years since I took a year of business law, but what you wrote just there jives with and brings back my memories of it. My impression was definitely a bit of
>"oh NO landlords, maybe you should be SCARED of LIABILITY (which btw nobody has even attempted a suit over ever)!"
fud. But in the current environment I don't like the idea of it even being attempted, and I could totally see it as an end run around the 2A attempted by super blue states in response to Bruen and such. Fortunately I live in a gun friendly state, not an issue. But might CA or NY or wherever actually be able to pass a law and say landlords are liable? I can't say confidently that couldn't pass muster, there's plenty of examples where just adding duties of care for violations can pass. And the public overall is very anti-landlord, so politically it might just be seen as "sticking it to 'em" without reflecting on the obvious result of anti-firearm clauses going in everywhere. It'd be an irritating angle for grabbers to try.
Yeah, that sounds about right. Only argument I can think of off hand is the kind used in now defuct abortion Supreme Court opinions about not being able to place an undue burden on people exercising constitutional rights, but I doubt the 9th Circuit would buy it.
I'm a landlord. It'll vary by state law, but a lot will come down to whether you want hard attachment or not. If someone asked me about some normal small safe I'd say fine, or rather you didn't need to ask if it's just free standing/on floor, that's just furniture. Do whatever you want. They'd only be liable to the extent of it being heavy and fricking up the floor, but all leases cover damage due to stuff like that which is the tenant's fault. But if the tenant wanted it drilled into the building then I'd probably want a small deposit to ensure that once they left it was returned to the way it was, and take before/after pictures.
Also don't forget sheer structural issues: a lot of rented buildings in America are pretty old. If it's a simple gun "safe" it's likely fine, but if you had in mind a true safe you need to take into account the building strength. Some floors and such just won't be rated for that many lbs/in^2. This may not matter depending on where/what you're living in.
We don't have any safe storage laws and I'm fine with tenants having whatever. The normal concern is simply damage. Obviously if you ever ND the thing like a moron you're probably getting evicted.
>Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
That's your mistake anon, don't ask don't tell
Why would you tell him it's a gun safe, just tell him is a regular safe
Unless they explicitly tell you (in writing) it's not allowed, then it is allowed
>Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
Why the frick would you ask?
Anon you are a good boy and were raised well, but you are a fricking moron for telling them. Now they are going to have constant surprise inspections for you and will basically harass you all because you simply can't leave well enough alone. All these apartments only care about those that keep guns lying around the living rooms like morons, not someone that has a safe in the room or something
>Now they are going to have constant surprise inspections for you
Actual landlord here again, see
. This is flat out illegal, or at least it is everywhere I've heard of. You can't do surprise inspections unless it's an emergency. Some shitty landlords may lie about it and claim they have the right to, but they don't. And every state has tenant rights groups. And again, while the language could be in the lease, if it's not in the lease then that's not cause either.
The only real other question is if OP is in a no-cause eviction state like I am. In that case usually after 30-90 days notice depending on how long they've been there, you can simply ask someone to leave just because. Which I completely support in general, but is a consideration here if he doesn't want to find a new place in the next few months. I agree he shouldn't have asked even if that meant something free standing or under-the-bed vs fixed.
I bought a wooden gun cabinet of craigslist for 35 bucks. It holds 8 long guns and has drawers which can hold 2 (sub) compact or 1 full size handgun plus ammo. It can be locked to keep my toddler out and has glas doors. I dont know why I would need a safe anchored to the fricking floor like a shizzo
>Doesn't have his safe anchored to the floor
>His guns are not protected from the flying gun gobbos
>I don't kn-
Black folk
If it's not spelled out in the lease agreement, they can't do anything about it. Do it anyway and tell them to get fricked.
>they can't do anything about it
unless
. Then they can kick him out in 1-3 months. How likely that is and how much op cares is going to depend on his own circumstances.
One site I saw said "If the violation is bad enough, it might not be needed to have it written."
That spooks me. I'm in Colorado btw
>That spooks me. I'm in Colorado btw
Colorado is a for-cause eviction state, not no-cause from a quick google. So eviction would have to be for an actual lease violation that could be credibly argued in court. Again, if you fricking ND'd or the like than THAT I'm sure could fall under a general "interfering with other tenants", and if it rose to the level of legal civil or criminal negligence then all leases have something along the lines of "oh and thou shalt not violate the fricking law moron".
But basically I think you're actually quite safe, as long as there isn't explicit lease language to the contrary.
They live in Colorado, so the landlord can really get fricked. If they do anything about it, OP can look forward to a nice retaliation lawsuit.
Make sure to document everything and voice your nonconsent if they decide to "inspect" your apartment. Having a gun safe won't constitute an emergency building code violation in most circumstances.
>They live in Colorado
Is
op? I wasn't sure if it was another anon.
>Having a gun safe won't constitute an emergency building code violation in most circumstances.
I can't think of ANY circumstances where it'd be an emergency. Unless it was a true safe and, like, the floor was fricking creaking noticeably in the room below them or showing cracks or some shit like that. That's not what OP describes though, any normal gun safe or cabinet is not going to be the slightest issue. Good point though to be explicit about not giving consent.
>all these sniveling rentoids
Maybe apply yourselves for once and save up for a down payment in a house? Rent is pretty much the same, if not more than, a monthly mortgage payment in this day and age anyways
>Rent is pretty much the same, if not more than, a monthly mortgage payment in this day and age anyways
>in this day and age
>he hasn't looked at interest rates recently
anon, if you missed your free monies period I'm very sorry.
Do people really ask their landlords if they can do things? lmao, so far in my apartment I've:
>lag bolted a steel rifle rack into the studs in my closet
>put a power rack in my living room
>hung rings from the ceiling joists
>replaced cracked tiles (they were there when I moved in and I was tired of walking over them)
>installed an under-sink RO filter
As long as you can reverse it when you move out just fricking do it. It's not like you're getting your security deposit back anyway.
>It's not like you're getting your security deposit back anyway.
Is that really a thing? I think I've only ever once held back some security deposit in a decade and that was for grievous dog damage which she completely agreed on. Otherwise I work hard to get deposits back in <4 days too.
home ownership should be a requirement for both gun rights and voting
I'm not buying the top of the housing market in a high interest rate environment.
And like 90% of the opinions you probably have, only a handful of online weirdos agree with you. Does it make you cry sometimes? lmao
Nah I'm a stoic that kind of thing doesn't bother me. I'm sure it would he hard for a troon like you however.
Thanks for the variety of advices, I think I'll try for discreteness at the moment.
I just mount my safe anyway and deal with it when I move. Easier to just patch the holes in the floor or pay for it than to get permission in the first place.
If there isn't an obvious "no firearms" clause in your lease agreement, then why would you bring it up? Shouldn't have said anything and just done what you wanted, but you sperged out and revealed your power level too early.
It wpuld be the same if you asked if being a gay and having a closet of dildos is ok. Like why would you even bring it up with a prospective landlord?
in my experience you just don't mention it in the first place
Lmao, i could never imagine having to pay some fat israelite boomer and having to beg like a little b***h to be actually let in your home with your shit.
This is why i love my parents. Wise enough to save and buy me a house and wise enough to not send me to college to go into debt like a moron.
My landlord is a four stars army general, I suppose he doesn't care much. I won't ask tho.
> Ask the renter/agent/landlord/whatever if I can have a gun safe in the apartment or room
Why would you tell them in the first place? I’ve literally never told any landlord about my arsenal in the apartment
I went with a climate controlled storage unit. 5x5 is the smallest you can usually find which would fit 2 average safes with room to actually access them. Since your state has safe storage laws, I wonder if it's a ban state. If it is, you can get this storage unit in a bordering non-ban state, in which case anything you possess, like regular-capacity magazines, is not a felony. Private ranges in good states also tend to be a lot cheaper and a lot better, so find a range and a storage unit close together.
You still keep your concealed carry, and shtf larp shit at home, which doesn't require as big a container for secure storage. Your CC fits in any shitty document safe if you even need to secure it, and then your AR is all you have to figure out.